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Two Men actually betrayed Jesus....
One did it with the Currency of Words and did it three times and in public (Peter).

Judas did betray too, but he did it privately....Judas is not a man of weak character as we may think else he won't have been the treasurer. Even in his betrayal he was still trying to discretely protect the image of Jesus....

The Mistake was he trusted the wrong Guys....He committed suicide out of a broken heart (only God should take a life). Judas also was betrayed....

His agreement with them was breached, and as a man who understands business returned the money.... seeing he was dealing with thugs in religious mask he knew he could not fight.....

If he had listen to the last message of Jesus before he left he would have known The RESURRECTION IS LITERAL.....He would have been comforted.....PRAY NOT TO BE IN HIS SHOE��

THE THOUGHT THAT BROKE JUDAS

1. Jesus trust for him was used against him.... Jesus would have showed His trust for Judas publicly and the Pharisees knew.

2. he was trying to do business on behalf of Jesus, but it backfired. Be careful not to think like this especially when you're under someone.....The Thought that you have a better way can be sometimes dangerous as a follower or team member.

3. He was the interface and ambassador with the System of the Pharisees....So he understood the Politics and it was used against him. Be careful when you interface for two interest....one must win you over.

LET'S LEAVE IT HERE....

Don't be quick to pass Judas without learning a lesson....He too has A MESSAGE HE PREACHED..... IMAGINE IF HE DIDN'T DIE....We would now have a powerful revelation in POWER BROKING, POLITICS AND FINANCE....

I am even Angry that he died with the knowledge to this Mystical Dimension....now we needed to work hard for this revelation.....NOW I HAVE AN INCLINE TO WHY GOD WILL BE MAD AT HIM....

I am a Student of the OFFICE OF JUDAS..... TRYING TO FIND WHAT HE LOST AND DIDN'T SHARE

Blessed Good Friday....My Exegetical Folks...

Suicide is never an option....Let the worst happen
✍️Son Of Man

Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him? If yes,
blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewheres?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is!A grave that enclosed a god!
What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in
Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians
All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted
and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it
Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?
So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,
this is what the matter is all about.

HOLYSEE:
Two Men actually betrayed Jesus....
One did it with the Currency of Words and did it three times and in public (Peter).

Peter did not betray Jesus Christ. Instead, out of fear/cowardice, he sought to distance himself from the person of Jesus Christ.

HOLYSEE:
Judas did betray too, but he did it privately....Judas is not a man of weak character as we may think else he won't have been the treasurer. Even in his betrayal he was still trying to discretely protect the image of Jesus....

Protect Jesus Christ, how so?

HOLYSEE:
The Mistake was he trusted the wrong Guys....He committed suicide out of a broken heart (only God should take a life). Judas also was betrayed....His agreement with them was breached, and as a man who understands business returned the money.... seeing he was dealing with thugs in religious mask he knew he could not fight.....

What do you mean he trusted the wrong guys? He knew he was selling a human being to be killed, and he was paid for those he bargained with. So why do you think he was cheated in some way?

HOLYSEE:
If he had listen to the last message of Jesus before he left he would have known The RESURRECTION IS LITERAL.....He would have been comforted.....PRAY NOT TO BE IN HIS SHOE��

Judas was not convinced by all the signs and wonders that Jesus Christ did, yet you believe if he had waited to here, after almost 3 and half years of walking with Jesus Christ, hearing more of what Jesus Christ had to say, he, Judas, would have changed his mind?

HOLYSEE:
THE THOUGHT THAT BROKE JUDAS
1. Jesus trust for him was used against him.... Jesus would have showed His trust for Judas publicly and the Pharisees knew.

Why would Jesus Christ, the son of God, put His trust in a mere man?

Jeremiah 17 vs 5-10 (ERV)
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5. Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength,[a] whose heart turns away from the Lord.
6. He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land.
7. “But those who trust in the Lord will be blessed. They know that the Lord will do what he says.
8. They will be strong like trees planted near a stream that send out roots to the water. They have nothing to fear when the days get hot. Their leaves are always green. They never worry, even in a year that has no rain. They always produce fruit.
9. “Nothing can hide its evil as well as the human mind. It can be very sick, and no one really understands it.
10. But I am the Lord, and I can look into a person’s heart. I can test a person’s mind and decide what each one should have. I can give each person the right payment for what they do.

HOLYSEE:
2. he was trying to do business on behalf of Jesus, but it backfired. Be careful not to think like this especially when you're under someone.....The Thought that you have a better way can be sometimes dangerous as a follower or team member.

Doing business on behalf of Jesus Christ by selling Jesus Christ to those who wanted to kill Him?

HOLYSEE:
3. He was the interface and ambassador with the System of the Pharisees....So he understood the Politics and it was used against him. Be careful when you interface for two interest....one must win you over.

There is no indication that Judas was any such ambassador, nor that he knew much about the system except for his underhanded dealings with those who happen to belong in the system.

HOLYSEE:
LET'S LEAVE IT HERE....
Don't be quick to pass Judas without learning a lesson....He too has A MESSAGE HE PREACHED..... IMAGINE IF HE DIDN'T DIE....We would now have a powerful revelation in POWER BROKING, POLITICS AND FINANCE....

powerful revelation about how to kill your friend without getting blood on your hands?
Or do you mean how to get rid of the guy who you hate so much and get paid doing it?

HOLYSEE:
I am even Angry that he died with the knowledge to this Mystical Dimension....now we needed to work hard for this revelation.....NOW I HAVE AN INCLINE TO WHY GOD WILL BE MAD AT HIM....

What mystical dimension would that be?

HOLYSEE:
I am a Student of the OFFICE OF JUDAS..... TRYING TO FIND WHAT HE LOST AND DIDN'T SHARE

Blessed Good Friday....My Exegetical Folks...

Suicide is never an option....Let the worst happen
✍️Son Of Man

What Judas lost and didn't share? What do you mean by that?

Kobojunkie:
Peter did not betray Jesus Christ. Instead, out of fear/cowardice, he sought to distance himself from the person of Jesus Christ.
Protect Jesus Christ, how so?
What do you mean he trusted the wrong guys? He knew he was selling a human being to be killed, and he was paid for those he bargained with. So why do you think he was cheated in some way?
Judas was not convinced by all the signs and wonders that Jesus Christ did, yet you believe if he had waited to here, after almost 3 and half years of walking with Jesus Christ, hearing more of what Jesus Christ had to say, he, Judas, would have changed his mind?
Why would Jesus Christ, the son of God, put His trust in a mere man?
Jeremiah 17 vs 5-10 (ERV)
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5. Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength,[a] whose heart turns away from the Lord.
6. He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land.
7. “But those who trust in the Lord will be blessed. They know that the Lord will do what he says.
8. They will be strong like trees planted near a stream that send out roots to the water. They have nothing to fear when the days get hot. Their leaves are always green. They never worry, even in a year that has no rain. They always produce fruit.
9. “Nothing can hide its evil as well as the human mind. It can be very sick, and no one really understands it.
10. But I am the Lord, and I can look into a person’s heart. I can test a person’s mind and decide what each one should have. I can give each person the right payment for what they do.

2. he was trying to do business on behalf of Jesus, but it backfired. Be careful not to think like this especially when you're under someone.....The Thought that you have a better way can be sometimes dangerous as a follower or team member.Doing business on behalf of Jesus Christ by selling Jesus Christ to those who wanted to kill Him?
3. He was the interface and ambassador with the System of the Pharisees....So he understood the Politics and it was used against him. Be careful when you interface for two interest....one must win you over.There is no indication that Judas was any such ambassador, nor that he knew much about the system except for his underhanded dealings with those who happen to belong in the system.
LET'S LEAVE IT HERE....
Don't be quick to pass Judas without learning a lesson....He too has A MESSAGE HE PREACHED..... IMAGINE IF HE DIDN'T DIE....We would now have a powerful revelation in POWER BROKING, POLITICS AND FINANCE.... powerful revelation about how to kill your friend without getting blood on your hands?
Or do you mean how to get rid of the guy who you hate so much and get paid doing it?
I am even Angry that he died with the knowledge to this Mystical Dimension....now we needed to work hard for this revelation.....NOW I HAVE AN INCLINE TO WHY GOD WILL BE MAD AT HIM....What mystical dimension would that be?
I am a Student of the OFFICE OF JUDAS..... TRYING TO FIND WHAT HE LOST AND DIDN'T SHARE

Blessed Good Friday....My Exegetical Folks...

Suicide is never an option....Let the worst happen
✍️Son Of ManWhat Judas lost and didn't share? What do you mean by that?

Wow.....I am glad you took your time to read....I just have some few questions:
1. The Denial of Peter is not betrayal in every definition of it?
2. Have you carefully looked or read into the conversation of Judas when he returned the money?
3. Why did the other disciple run away after seeing all the miracle He did and needed to regroup after the resurrection?
4. Have you read the account of the engagement in Simeons house that Engaged Judas Influence?
5. If Jesus doesn't trust His Disciples on earth while should He trust us now?
6. Do you think if Judas has not committed Suicide and it was Peter that did, don't you think it would have been a different story? Do you still think we would have the books credited to Peter.

I do appreciate your highlight....Look again with a lense Superior of what you were taught in Sunday school
Bless you

ItsReal:
Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise.

If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act…what sort of god is this?

We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him? If yes,
blessed be they..they achieved the pleasure of His

But if He was discontented….this means their power subjugated His!!

Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer… so who answered the prayers?

Were the heavens vacated…when He laid under the ground somewheres?

Were all the worlds left without a God…to manage while His hands were nailed?

Why did not the angles help Him when they heard him while he wailed?

How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened

How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?

How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear

And was Christ revived by himself…or the Reviver was another god?

What a sight it is!A grave that enclosed a god!
What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it!

He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness…fed by blood!

Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
weak and gaping to be breastfed!

He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in
Is this a god??!!

High Exalted be Allah above the lies of Christians
All of them will be held accountable for their libels

Oh cross worshipers…for what reason is it exalted
and blamed who rejects it?

Is it not the logic to break and burn it along with the one who innovated it?

Since the Lord was crucified on it…and his hands were fastened to it?

That is really a cursed cross to carry…so discard it
Don’t kiss it!

The Lord was abused on it…and you adore it?
So you are one of His enemies!!

If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the worlds

why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,

since the grave contained your god in it?

So, Christ worshiper, open your eyes,
this is what the matter is all about.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the truth is....THE MOMENT YOU GET ANSWERS TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS CALL ME AND I WILL DENOUNCE CHRIST.....Until you get the answer LET ME WORSHIP CHRIST AND KISS THE CROSS that has now been translated from a symbol of embarrassment to a symbol of victory
Thank you....

HOLYSEE:
Wow.....I am glad you took your time to read....I just have some few questions:
1. The Denial of Peter is not betrayal in every definition of it?

He denied Jesus Christ but did not betray since his act did not negatively impact Jesus Christ or His mission. Peter had a moment of weakness... that is not betrayal.

HOLYSEE:
2. Have you carefully looked or read into the conversation of Judas when he returned the money?

Buyer's remorse?

Matthew 27 vs 3-10 (ERV)
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3. Judas saw that they had decided to kill Jesus. He was the one who had handed him over. When he saw what happened, he was very sorry for what he had done. So he took the 30 silver coins back to the priests and the older leaders.
4. Judas said, “I sinned. I handed over to you an innocent man to be killed.” The Jewish leaders answered, “We don’t care! That’s a problem for you, not us.”
5. So Judas threw the money into the Temple. Then he went out from there and hanged himself.
6. The leading priests picked up the silver coins in the Temple. They said, “Our law does not allow us to keep this money with the Temple money, because this money has paid for a man’s death.”
7. So they decided to use the money to buy a field called Potter’s Field. This field would be a place to bury people who died while visiting in Jerusalem.
8. That is why that field is still called the Field of Blood.
9. This showed the full meaning of what Jeremiah the prophet said: “They took 30 silver coins. That was how much the people of Israel decided to pay for his life.
10. They used those 30 silver coins to buy the potter’s field, as the Lord commanded me.”[a]

Judas knew well what would happen, yet he did it anyway.

HOLYSEE:
3. Why did the other disciple run away after seeing all the miracle He did and needed to regroup after the resurrection?

They were afraid for their lives cause they were not sure to expect since their Master had just been taken from them and they could not fight back or rebel- that would have been against Jesus Christ's commandment.

HOLYSEE:
4. Have you read the account of the engagement in Simeons house that Engaged Judas Influence?

Where is this found please?

HOLYSEE:
5. If Jesus doesn't trust His Disciples on earth while should He trust us now?

He didn't trust them that is the reason why He installed His own Spirit inside of all of those who make the choice to continue to accept(trust) and obey His Teachings/commandments. The same applies to this day, in those who submit their will to Him, He installs His own Spirit inside of, to monitor and lead.

HOLYSEE:
6. Do you think if Judas has not committed Suicide and it was Peter that did, don't you think it would have been a different story?

Well, the one who betrayed was the one prophesied to die. So, Judas fit the profile necessary for the fulfillment of that prophecy.

HOLYSEE:
Do you still think we would have the books credited to Peter.
I do appreciate your highlight....Look again with a lense Superior of what you were taught in Sunday school
Bless you

Books credited to Peter? I am only aware of the letters he supposedly wrote, nothing more.

ItsReal:
Oh, Christ worshipers! We want an answer to our question from your wise...

You asked this same question in another thread and.i answered you and you have not reasonably rebutted it.

Kobojunkie:
He denied Jesus Christ but did not betray since his act did not negatively impact Jesus Christ or His mission. Peter had a moment of weakness... that is not betrayal.
Buyer's remorse?
Judas knew well what would happen, yet he did it anyway.
They were afraid for their lives cause they were not sure to expect since their Master had just been taken from them and they could not fight back or rebel- that would have been against Jesus Christ's commandment.
Where is this found please?
He didn't trust them that is the reason why He installed His own Spirit inside of all of those who make the choice to continue to accept(trust) and obey His Teachings/commandments. The same applies to this day, in those who submit their will to Him, He installs His own Spirit inside of, to monitor and lead.
Well, the one who betrayed was the one prophesied to die. So, Judas fit the profile necessary for the fulfillment of that prophecy.
Books credited to Peter? I am only aware of the letters he supposedly wrote, nothing more.

Good response..... although I am not agreeing totally with your narrative, but for the sake of Exposae I will just be asking....

1. Are you saying God predestined Judas to betray Jesus and ultimately condemn to Destruction?
2. How can this same disciples who watched the miracles of Jesus and walked with him be excused because they were afraid and you call the fears of Judas Buyer's remorse?
3. If Judas's plan was to kill Jesus why Return the money
4. What does Jesus mean when He said if you deny me before men I will deny before my Father.....If denial cannot be put on same level with Judas's exchange.
5. Where was it stated in scripture that Judas knew his actions will lead to Jesus's death..... don't you think his naivety made him think he was doing a back door job for Jesus to proclaim he's Lord may be thinking Jesus would escape as he did before.?
6. How negatively did the act of Judas affect Jesus fate and that of Peter didn't do worse.
7. I ask a question, but you didn't answer, what would have been your position if Judas did not commit suicide and is alive or what if it was Peter that was in the position of Judas...
8. What was the Sin of Judas....The betrayal that brought fulfilment of prophecy or the Suicide

Thank you.... I await your answers

HOLYSEE:
Two Men actually betrayed Jesus....
One did it with the Currency of Words and did it three times and in public (Peter).

True!

HOLYSEE:
Judas did betray too, but he did it privately....Judas is not a man of weak character as we may think else he won't have been the treasurer. Even in his betrayal he was still trying to discretely protect the image of Jesus....

First Objection: At the Bolded is not True, for No Bribe and Corruption is perpetrated in public!

Secondly, you are being putting in your own story (offence of testifying and adding to scripture)

Thirdly, his character is not in issue for Character Evidence is Inadmissible Evidence Unless and Only if it is in Issue, and in this case, it is not!

What is in issue is "What he did" and "why he did it"

HOLYSEE:
The Mistake was he trusted the wrong Guys....He committed suicide out of a broken heart (only God should take a life). Judas also was betrayed....

His agreement with them was breached, and as a man who understands business returned the money.... seeing he was dealing with thugs in religious mask he knew he could not fight.....

Wrong Again! The Records report that he went to them Knowing they wanted Christ.

And all that you have said is Not True because, ithe Records Clearly Stated that he repented ONLY BECAUSE HE SAW DURING THE TRIAL OF Our Lord, That Indeed, Christ was Innocent"!

Which clearly means that he thought Christ was False, even after all he had witnessed which clearly further shows that his heart sought evil against Christ.

HOLYSEE:
If he had listen to the last message of Jesus before he left he would have known The RESURRECTION IS LITERAL.....He would have been comforted.....PRAY NOT TO BE IN HIS SHOE��

THE THOUGHT THAT BROKE JUDAS

He Reached the Point of No Return!

HOLYSEE:
1. Jesus trust for him was used against him.... Jesus would have showed His trust for Judas publicly and the Pharisees knew.

2. he was trying to do business on behalf of Jesus, but it backfired. Be careful not to think like this especially when you're under someone.....The Thought that you have a better way can be sometimes dangerous as a follower or team member.

3. He was the interface and ambassador with the System of the Pharisees....So he understood the Politics and it was used against him. Be careful when you interface for two interest....one must win you over.

LET'S LEAVE IT HERE....

Lies, Lies!

And you breached all the laws of Advocacy by trying to defend an Accused beyond and outside The Records and in Absentia!

HOLYSEE:
Don't be quick to pass Judas without learning a lesson....He too has A MESSAGE HE PREACHED..... IMAGINE IF HE DIDN'T DIE....We would now have a powerful revelation in POWER BROKING, POLITICS AND FINANCE....

I am even Angry that he died with the knowledge to this Mystical Dimension....now we needed to work hard for this revelation.....NOW I HAVE AN INCLINE TO WHY GOD WILL BE MAD AT HIM....

I am a Student of the OFFICE OF JUDAS..... TRYING TO FIND WHAT HE LOST AND DIDN'T SHARE

Blessed Good Friday....My Exegetical Folks...

Suicide is never an option....Let the worst happen
✍️Son Of Man

All I say here is Many are Judas Iscariot to The Lord, even today, committing the very same offences Unto The Lord.

His only elevation is that He Did it Directly to The Lord, (im-Personam) in His Presence and in His Face!

HOLYSEE:
Good response..... although I am not agreeing totally with your narrative, but for the sake of Exposae I will just be asking....

1. Are you saying God predestined Judas to betray Jesus and ultimately condemn to Destruction?

Nowhere are we told that God predestined Judas... God knew of Judas's choice does not then mean God predestined it.

HOLYSEE:
2. How can this same disciples who watched the miracles of Jesus and walked with him be excused because they were afraid and you call the fears of Judas Buyer's remorse?

Running away out of fear is not a sin. It is simply fear and we all have them from time to time. Judas on the other hand, planned and sold his friend Jesus Christ, to the enemy. He broke the commandments of God, plenty, by His actions.

HOLYSEE:
3. If Judas's plan was to kill Jesus why Return the money

Was judas aware of the fact that the Pharisees were in fact responsible for the killing of many prophets, and many "messiahs" before Jesus Christ? Yes - the man was not an idiot.
Was it made known to him that Jesus was indeed to be killed before he sold him to the enemies who threatened Him, Jesus Christ, regularly by that point? Yes. So?

HOLYSEE:
4. What does Jesus mean when He said if you deny me before men I will deny before my Father.....If denial cannot be put on same level with Judas's exchange.

Peter was not deny beleiving in the person of Jesus Christ. Instead, he denied being with Jesus Christ, if that makes sense. Plus, at the time in question, they had lost their guide so they were, how you say it, rudderless for the period. It wasn't until the Spirit of God arrived that they got their captain back.

HOLYSEE:
5. Where was it stated in scripture that Jesus knew his actions will lead to Jesus's death..... don't you think his naivety made him think he was doing a back door job for Jesus to proclaim he's Lord may be thinking Jesus would escape as he did before.

Naivety after 3 and half years of walking with Jesus Christ and watching the interaction between Him and the Pharisees?
Even an imb.ecile knows not to sell a friend for money.

HOLYSEE:
6. How negatively did the act of Judas affect Jesus fate and that of Peter didn't do worse.

Well, negative would be considered the end of His mission to the lost sheep of Israel... imagine for a second if Jesus Christ had turned out to be just an ordinary man, would you be asking this question?

HOLYSEE:
7. I ask a question, but you didn't answer, what would have been your position if Judas did not commit suicide and is alive or what if it was Peter that was in the position of Judas...

If Judas had not committed suicide, then he would have had to simply live with his sin. If Peter had committed suicide after his denial of Jesus Christ, then, it would be just that.

HOLYSEE:
8. What was the Sin of Judas....The betrayal that brought fulfilment of prophecy or the Suicide
Thank you.... I await your answers

Juda's sin? For one, He went against the command "Do unto others as you would like for them to do to you" and he also condemned his enemy to death rather than doing as Jesus Christ had commanded him to. Fortunately, he did not eat communion(I hope) meaning he escaped the fires of hell as a result.

Dtruthspeaker:
True!



First Objection: At the Bolded is not True, for No Bribe and Corruption is perpetrated in public!
Response: Who then was there to know what exactly transpired if not Judas himself who told the story to the other disciples in repentance

Secondly, you are being putting in your own story (offence of testifying and adding to scripture)
Response: it's just conjecture not adding and you did same too, to expound on your points

Thirdly, his character is not in issue for Character Evidence is Inadmissible Evidence Unless and Only if it is in Issue, and in this case, it is not!

Response: How can the whole story of Judas no be about Character....we have villified him on this basis with no scriptural article stating any other wrong doing aside this unlike Peter.....We judge even his good intentions by this one event

What is in issue is "What he did" and "why he did it"

Response: How can you tell why he did what he did when no record of why he did was given only that he betrayed him fulfilling a prophecy that could have been fulfilled by Peter too if he didn't repent.



Wrong Again! The Records report that he went to them Knowing they wanted Christ.

Response: you accused me of being wrong knowing your truth also isn't absolute. Have you thought of him going because in his naivety thought Jesus is powerful and can easily disappear as He did in the past.... don't you think his trying to play a fast one on the Pharisees backfired on him as Jesus willingly surrendered. Did you even see the display of power in the account of mark, how the soldiers fell...Judas knew something that he placed his bet on, but his calculations were just wrong that's all

And all that you have said is Not True because, ithe Records Clearly Stated that he repented ONLY BECAUSE HE SAW DURING THE TRIAL OF Our Lord, That Indeed, Christ was Innocent"!

Which clearly means that he thought Christ was False, even after all he had witnessed which clearly further shows that his heart sought evil against Christ.

Response: not true sir, He always knew Jesus was innocent....he saw how he was beaten and the plan of death in play....he waited for Jesus do miraculously escaped, but he didn't hence is anger and face off with the sahendrin..... You're the one now adding to scriptures

He Reached the Point of No Return!



Lies, Lies!

And you breached all the laws of Advocacy by trying to defend an Accused beyond and outside The Records and in Absentia!

Response: same here, you breached same by accusing a man in absentia and no counsel to give his own account, but based on 3rd party inference



All I say here is Many are Judas Iscariot to The Lord, even today, committing the very same offences Unto The Lord.

Response: This I agree with you...

His only elevation is that He Did it Directly to The Lord, (im-Personam) in His Presence and in His Face!
Response: The betrayal already happened in the court....What happened was handing over, the Question is why choose a kiss, why go in person

Thank you for your position.....you sound so confident in your truth.... The bolded are my responses

Kobojunkie:
Nowhere are we told that God predestined Judas... God knew of Judas's choice does not then mean God predestined it.
Running away out of fear is not a sin. It is simply fear and we all have them from time to time. Judas on the other hand, planned and sold his friend Jesus Christ, to the enemy. He broke the commandments of God, plenty, by His actions.
Was judas aware of the fact that the Pharisees were in fact responsible for the killing of many prophets, and many "messiahs" before Jesus Christ? Yes - the man was not an idiot.
Was it made known to him that Jesus was indeed to be killed before he sold him to the enemies who threatened Him, Jesus Christ, regularly by that point? Yes. So?
Peter was not deny beleiving in the person of Jesus Christ. Instead, he denied being with Jesus Christ, if that makes sense. Plus, at the time in question, they had lost their guide so they were, how you say it, rudderless for the period. It wasn't until the Spirit of God arrived that they got their captain back.
Naivety after 3 and half years of walking with Jesus Christ and watching the interaction between Him and the Pharisees?
Even an imb.ecile knows not to sell a friend for money.
Well, negative would be considered the end of His mission to the lost sheep of Israel... imagine for a second if Jesus Christ had turned out to be just an ordinary man, would you be asking this question?
If Judas had not committed suicide, then he would have had to simply live with his sin. If Peter had committed suicide after his denial of Jesus Christ, then, it would be just that.
Juda's sin? For one, He went against the command "Do unto others as you would like for them to do to you" and he also condemned his enemy to death rather than doing as Jesus Christ had commanded him to. Fortunately, he did not eat communion(I hope) meaning he escaped the fires of hell as a result.

I understand your points and your drive, but Jesus is the only one that did not ascribe the term Prophet to himself and He kept the messianic mandate hidden between Peter James and John until the triumphant entry, so Judas may be excused for not considering that.
While I don't hold in for Judas I think if Peter who was next in line can be afraid for his life and run....then Judas should be cut some slack....no one wants to betray his friend not if the friend is one that walked on water or fed five thousand or was born by a virgin....Judas gamble just didn't pay up....He is the money man remember.

I believe strongly, if Judas hadn't committed Suicide, he would have been filled with the Holyspirit and Given us another dimension of being in the Will of God like Thomas who doubted....
That was the intent of this write up....I enjoyed your Exposae though
Thank you

HOLYSEE:
I understand your points and your drive, but Jesus is the only one that did not ascribe the term Prophet to himself and He kept the messianic mandate hidden between Peter James and John until the triumphant entry, so Judas may be excused for not considering that.

Judas saw the miracles, signs, and wonders, and at least heard the confessions from the mouths of the people. Judas himself was among those sent out by Jesus Christ, on at least two occasions on record, to heal the sick, cast out demons, and so on. Is there any record of any prophet before then with power enough to impart on 12 or 72 others and still have lots leftover?
Come on!

HOLYSEE:
While I don't hold in for Judas I think if Peter who was next in line can be afraid for his life and run....then Judas should be cut some slack....no one wants to betray his friend not if the friend is one that walked on water or fed five thousand or was born by a virgin....Judas gamble just didn't pay up....He is the money man remember.

Peter was not the only one that ran. The others too did. I am not sure why you say Peter was next in line.. to Judas?
All Peter did was deny being with Jesus Christ at the time. Well, technically, it is a sin but he, peter, did not sell Jesus Christ off to be killed. Judas did that.
No one wants to betray a friend? I don't know what world you live in but I have read of people betraying even their own blood just cause they can't stand the smile on that one's face. So, to that, I say the heart of man is wicked.
Did Judas not gamble even as the group's money man? He stole from the group purse, so his final gamble was just that, another one of his.

HOLYSEE:
I believe strongly, if Judas hadn't committed Suicide, he would have been filled with the Holyspirit and Given us another dimension of being in the Will of God like Thomas who doubted....

You assume that after his betrayal, he would have wanted to come back to serving the same man whose back he just stabbed and sold off to die?
I don't even want to imagine how he would have tried to get back to Jesus Christ after that. And what dimension would he have added that we don't already have through the others and Thomas?
Thomas wasn't really a bigger doubter though.

Kobojunkie:
Judas saw the miracles, signs, and wonders, and at least heard the confessions from the mouths of the people. Judas himself was among those sent out by Jesus Christ, on at least two occasions on record, to heal the sick, cast out demons, and so on. Is there any record of any prophet before then with power enough to impart on 12 or 72 others and still have lots leftover?
Come on!
Peter was not the only one that ran. The others too did. I am not sure why you say Peter was next in line.. to Judas?
All Peter did was deny being with Jesus Christ at the time. Well, technically, it is a sin but he, peter, did not sell Jesus Christ off to be killed. Judas did that.
No one wants to betray a friend? I don't know what world you live in but I have read of people betraying even their own blood just cause they can't stand the smile on that one's face. So, to that, I say the heart of man is wicked.
Did Judas not gamble even as the group's money man? He stole from the group purse, so his final gamble was just that, another one of his.
You assume that after his betrayal, he would have wanted to come back to serving the same man whose back he just stabbed and sold off to die?
I don't even want to imagine how he would have tried to get back to Jesus Christ after that. And what dimension would he have added that we don't already have through the others and Thomas?
Thomas wasn't really a bigger doubter though.

Smiling.....
If Peter and the rest can return then I believe Judas can return.... Jesus also died for him...The lamb has already been slain from the foundation of the world.
I mean Peter was the second in line to Jesus.....
Others step into that revelation by election of grace, but I am holding brief for the man with the Experience of a repentant traitor...
I understand you don't want to give Judas a chance....He stands condemn.....All your points so far are subjective and I respect that.... Remember these 12, 72 were still feeble until the Holyspirit came....can we also say Judas was weak like the rest as no sin is smaller....If he didn't commit suicide....The Holyspirit would have refined him and be reconciled to Jesus....If a murderer like Saul(Paul) could be given a chance is it Judas that won't find mercy?
His failure to me was suicide

Kobojunkie:
Judas saw the miracles, signs, and wonders, and at least heard the confessions from the mouths of the people. Judas himself was among those sent out by Jesus Christ, on at least two occasions on record, to heal the sick, cast out demons, and so on. Is there any record of any prophet before then with power enough to impart on 12 or 72 others and still have lots leftover?
Come on!
Peter was not the only one that ran. The others too did. I am not sure why you say Peter was next in line.. to Judas?
All Peter did was deny being with Jesus Christ at the time. Well, technically, it is a sin but he, peter, did not sell Jesus Christ off to be killed. Judas did that.
No one wants to betray a friend? I don't know what world you live in but I have read of people betraying even their own blood just cause they can't stand the smile on that one's face. So, to that, I say the heart of man is wicked.
Did Judas not gamble even as the group's money man? He stole from the group purse, so his final gamble was just that, another one of his.
You assume that after his betrayal, he would have wanted to come back to serving the same man whose back he just stabbed and sold off to die?
I don't even want to imagine how he would have tried to get back to Jesus Christ after that. And what dimension would he have added that we don't already have through the others and Thomas?
Thomas wasn't really a bigger doubter though.

We can't say Judas won't return....If a murderer like Saul of Tarsus can become an Apostle.....With God be ready for a shocker.

His experience as a repentant traitor will be a great Testimonial and asset to the body Christ......So why not

The truth is, it would have been a different story if he didn't commit suicide

HOLYSEE:
Smiling.....
If Peter and the rest can return then I believe Judas can return.... Jesus also died for him...The lamb has already been slain from the foundation of the world.
I mean Peter was the second in line to Jesus.....

Peter was second in line to Jesus Christ? Where do you get from?

HOLYSEE:
Others step into that revelation by election of grace, but I am holding brief for the man with the Experience of a repentant traitor...

election of grace?
You do know that grace is another term for eternal life. So, I really don't understand what election belongs to anyone as a result of being saved.

HOLYSEE:
I understand you don't want to give Judas a chance....He stands condemn.....All your points so far are subjective and I respect that.... Remember these 12, 72 were still feeble until the Holyspirit came....can we also say Judas was weak like the rest as no sin is smaller....If he didn't commit suicide....The Holyspirit would have refined him and be reconciled to Jesus....If a murderer like Saul(Paul) could be given a chance is it Judas that won't find mercy?
His failure to me was suicide

You have got it all wrong! I don't care about the character Judas much because like many others also mentioned in the gospels, they were simply stuffings and side-dishes where the main course, Jesus Christ, and His Gospel of the Kingdom of God, is my main focus in all of this.
That said, majority of the people you meet today in your churches and homes also do not have the Spirit of God in Him. That there is no excuse for the wickedness they store up in there hearts against their fellow man. Even if Judas did not see Jesus Christ as more than just another rabble rouser, what he, Judas did, was unacceptable by any standard out there. What he did revealed the wickedness in his heart for a man he supposedly believed in and walked with, even slept in the same places with, for a period of over 3 years. Recall that Jesus Christ had already declared them His friends - Judas among them. So, imagine if you had a friend do that to you, and you were being taken away to be killed. "-\
Sure, if he hadn't killed himself, he may have made a come back eventually, but the sin he committed was too big for anyone to simply shrug it off. I mean obviously, it was the psychological weight of what he did that drove him to kill himself and undertandably so too. He was used to stealing but this time his greed stole the life of a man who treated him like a friend. That would tear at any man - he not only had blood on his hands but the blood of a good man at that. He would have most definitely needed to take time to cleanse all that from his mind, working at the same time at making himself worthy of the Spirit of God too.

I read somewhere that it took Paul about 3.5 to 7 years of training with God before he began working for God. Judas would have probably needed maybe an extra year of more in addition to the almost 3.5 he had already spent in training with Jesus Christ.

HOLYSEE:
We can't say Judas won't return....If a murderer like Saul of Tarsus can become an Apostle.....With God be ready for a shocker.His experience as a repentant traitor will be a great Testimonial and asset to the body Christ......So why not
The truth is, it would have been a different story if he didn't commit suicide

Judas sold a friend, that was good to him for 3 years, off to be killed. Saul watched the killings of those he, at the time, considered enemies of his God.

Saul's testimony is great and all but Saul did not kill a friend that was closer than any friend - Judas did that. If a man like Judas came along to preach to me, even today, I'd be more interested in learning of the condition of his heart at the time he made the decision to sell the Son of God to die, than to hear anything else he has to say. Judas would be great for prison ministry maybe, but a distraction for regular folks like me who have experienced betrayal.

Dtruthspeaker:
You asked this same question in another thread and.i answered you and you have not reasonably rebutted it.

No time


No time to waste

HOLYSEE:
Thank you for your position.....you sound so confident in your truth.... The bolded are my responses

Lawyer in the house, I am always happy to engage a colleague! Now to your responses.

HOLYSEE:
Response: Who then was there to know what exactly transpired if not Judas himself who told the story to the other disciples in repentance

Here, you know The Law Vehemently Prohibits Testimony and Speculation and Addition to Records.

The Records Must Speak of its own and The Bible has Spoken!

Secondly, you are being putting in your own story (offence of testifying and adding to scripture which is Prohibited both by Law and the Bible itself!

HOLYSEE:
Response: it's just conjecture not adding and[b] you did same too, to expound on your points[/b]

This is your offending Statement in Addition to the Records, for it is nowhere contained in the Bible, hence my Objection!

"Even in his betrayal he was still trying to discretely protect the image of Jesus...."

And respectful Counsel, I Greatly Hate that thing Lawyers Do, in Falsely Accusing an Opponent by committing the Fallacy of "You Too" (Tu Quoque) when in Truth, I Did Not Such!

I Did Not even make a point not to talk of even "expound on your points"!

This is Not How to Practice Law Unless you do not care about your Guilt, in The True Most High Court, as Noted and Commented by Christ in Luke 11:52, were you shall stand Accused!

Further, thank you for speaking the Truth and Admitting that you are Indeed Guilty as Accused in saying

"..and you did the same too!"

Thirdly, his character is not in issue for Character Evidence is Inadmissible Evidence Unless and Only if it is in Issue, and in this case, it is not!

HOLYSEE:
Response: How can the whole story of Judas no be about Character....we have villified him on this basis with no scriptural article stating any other wrong doing aside this unlike Peter.....We judge even his good intentions by this one event

Let those who have So Villified and Judged him be Charged to Court First, then they would lay their basis of Villification, then you can go after them.

But till then, Your Character Evidence remains Inadmissible!

HOLYSEE:
Response: How can you tell why he did what he did when no record of why he did was given only that he betrayed him fulfilling a prophecy that could have been fulfilled by Peter too if he didn't repent.

The Records Reported "the why", To wit - "for the gain of Sharp-Sharp 30 Pieces of Silver"

Wrong Again! The Records report that he went to them Knowing they wanted Christ.

HOLYSEE:
Response: you accused me of being wrong knowing your truth also isn't absolute.

I Accused of being Wrong because you are Adding to the Bible and other offences, that you being a Law Man know not to do!

HOLYSEE:
Have you thought of him going because in his naivety thought Jesus is powerful and can easily disappear as He did in the past....

Is it not The Law that "A man intends the consequences of his Act?"

Therefore, there is nothing to consider, the Bible reported his "Men Rea" to "To Betray Christ" and his "Actus Reus" To wit "Collection of 30 Pieces of Silver and the pointing out Christ and kissing him"

Completion of Offence and Proof of Offence! Nothing more to consider!

HOLYSEE:
don't you think his trying to play a fast one on the Pharisees backfired on him as Jesus willingly surrendered. Did you even see the display of power in the account of mark, how the soldiers fell...Judas knew something that he placed his bet on, but his calculations were just wrong that's all

Much Lies you Speak!

For the Records Also disclosed that the Accused even Condemned himself and saw his Condemnation.

So this is you Fabricating a Defence after the Accused himself has Admitted to His Guilt of having Commited the Offence in Clearly and Freely saying "I have Sinned"!

Therefore, NO ONE CAN ENTER A DEFENCE FOR HIM!

HOLYSEE:
Response: not true sir, He always knew Jesus was innocent....

You say not the Truth for Judas himself said "I have Betrayed Innocent Blood!"

Dtruthspeaker:
Lawyer in the house, I am always happy to engage a colleague! Now to your responses.
You are looking for who to spa with abi


Here, you know The Law Vehemently Prohibits Testimony and Speculation and Addition to Records.

The Records Must Speak of its own and The Bible has Spoken!
I bring no speculation and in no wise added to the record, this my learned is you trying to sabotage this active dimension gathered via forensic analysis of evidences not earlier considered. None of the four synoptic Testament have a concrete position on the accused. John who is the most beloved and the one was there until the cross never mentioned the act. Mathew mark (a 3rd generation witness) and Luke (a 2nd generation witness)....can we also not say that their Testimonials are more allegorical, subjective rather than objective.....My learned Friend, I will only oblige your argument if you tell who your witness got their Testament of what transpired between Judas and the Pharisees was

Secondly, you are being putting in your own story (offence of testifying and adding to scripture which is Prohibited both by Law and the Bible itself!



This is your offending Statement in Addition to the Records, for it is nowhere contained in the Bible, hence my Objection!

"Even in his betrayal he was still trying to discretely protect the image of Jesus...."

And respectful Counsel, I Greatly Hate that thing Lawyers Do, in Falsely Accusing an Opponent by committing the Fallacy of "You Too" (Tu Quoque) when in Truth, I Did Not Such!

I Did Not even make a point not to talk of even "expound on your points"!
Counsel, I put it to you that you're trying to whip up a skewed sentiment about personae to get the jury's Religious bias...this is so not acceptable

This is Not How to Practice Law Unless you do not care about your Guilt, in The True Most High Court, as Noted and Commented by Christ in Luke 11:52, were you shall stand Accused!

Further, thank you for speaking the Truth and Admitting that you are Indeed Guilty as Accused in saying

"..and you did the same too!"

Thirdly, his character is not in issue for Character Evidence is Inadmissible Evidence Unless and Only if it is in Issue, and in this case, it is not!

What then are we rigmaroling for in the past two seating if not to bring the character of the accused into the periscope of a new judicial panorama, and why say it's not admissible when situation demands so. Permit me, in the case of Adam Vs Lucifer and Eve Vs Lucifer can you tell me on what ground were they found wanting



Let those who have So Villified and Judged him be Charged to Court First, then they would lay their basis of Villification, then you can go after them.

But till then, Your Character Evidence remains Inadmissible!



The Records Reported "the why", To wit - "for the gain of Sharp-Sharp 30 Pieces of Silver"


Wrong Again! The Records report that he went to them Knowing they wanted Christ.



I Accused of being Wrong because you are Adding to the Bible and other offences, that you being a Law Man know not to do!


Scanty evidences to back this up and most to coherent, some 30 others 35, which shall we admit, also Jesus is a power figure so everyone wants him dead, but Judas definitely knew the capacity of what his master could handle

Is it not The Law that "A man intends the consequences of his Act?"

what then does the law say about restitution before arraignment

Therefore, there is nothing to consider, the Bible reported his "Men Rea" to "To Betray Christ" and his "Actus Reus" To wit "Collection of 30 Pieces of Silver and the pointing out Christ and kissing him"

Completion of Offence and Proof of Offence! Nothing more to consider!



Much Lies you Speak!

For the Records Also disclosed that the Accused even Condemned himself and saw his Condemnation.

So this is you Fabricating a Defence after the Accused himself has Admitted to His Guilt of having Commited the Offence in Clearly and Freely saying "I have Sinned"!

Same with Peter, but using different lexical contextualisation


Therefore, NO ONE CAN ENTER A DEFENCE FOR HIM!

My learned Friend I can tell you your statement is fallacious, that none has stood doesn't any other can't stand. It can and may, 'Pro bono'


You say not the Truth for Judas himself said "I have Betrayed Innocent Blood!"

My Lord, I beg this honourable court to Astutely restrain my learned colleague from whipping up sentiment on the basis that my client never appealed the earlier judgement of the court of Scholars Opinion. Can we not put a bias in the mind of Jury.....My Lord, I submit that my client who loved life and wealth maximisation. An honourable member of the 12 council, with a position of integrity as a treasurer was coerced and possessed by the devil driving him into acute irredeemable depression that led to suicide....he also is a victim.
My humble submission, my lord.

HOLYSEE:
My Lord, I beg this honourable court to Astutely restrain my learned colleague from whipping up sentiment on the basis that my client never appealed the earlier judgement of the court of Scholars Opinion.

Respectfully Honourable Just-Ises, as Opposing counsel has Truly Admitted, THIS MATTER Has been Decided, with No Appeal Whatsoever, therefore, RES JUDICATA.

After Eons of years, Long after even the Longest
Statute of Limitation has passed, counsel now brings this Appeal, which is Foetus Decomposed!

For not Only does it Fail on being Statute Barred but ESTOPPEL PER REM JUDICATAM Seals it!

Thus, this Appeal is Still Born and can not looked upon at all!. It is Outright Ugly!

HOLYSEE:
Can we not put a bias in the mind of Jury.....

And here Opposing Counsel Commits Another Fatal Error in Requesting bias from the Court for it is The law that "The Court Must Do No Wrong, Only Right and Good"

And bias has Never been Good nor Right!

HOLYSEE:
My Lord, I submit that my client who loved life and wealth maximisation. An honourable member of the 12 council, with a position of integrity as a treasurer was coerced and possessed by the devil driving him into acute irredeemable depression that led to suicide....he also is a victim.
My humble submission, my lord.

Now my Honours, you can Ably Dismiss this Silly Matter as Opposing Counsel has Rightly and Truly Abandoned his Wrongful Relitigation of A Settled and Decided Suit, which is Also Absolutely Statue Barred.

For Counsel has Abandoned and Departed from the Issue, which is for this Court to Hear, Quash and Set Aside the Guilt of the Accused TO PLEADING FOR THE SOUL OF THE ACCUSED RAISING AN ALLOCUTION!

WHICH IS A CLEAR ADMISSION OF GUILT WHICH IS A CLEAR DEPARTURE FROM THE CASE COUNSEL WAS ATTEMPTING TO ESTABLISH EARLIER!

Which clearly shows that Counsel has Duely Taking Notice, that the Accused is Guilty, therefore Abandoning his former Advocacy of the Innocency of the Accused or at best the fact that he is guilty with reason, which is not so as the Records have Testified!

Thus, it is Right-Full that this Matter be Dismissed!

Dtruthspeaker:

Respectfully Honourable Just-Ises, as Opposing counsel has Truly Admitted, THIS MATTER Has been Decided, with No Appeal Whatsoever, therefore, RES JUDICATA.

After Eons of years, Long after even the Longest
Statute of Limitation has passed, counsel now brings this Appeal, which is Foetus Decomposed!

For not Only does it Fail on being Statute Barred but ESTOPPEL PER REM JUDICATAM Seals it!

Thus, this Appeal is Still Born and can not looked upon at all!. It is Outright Ugly!



And here Opposing Counsel Commits Another Fatal Error in Requesting bias from the Court for it is The law that "The Court Must Do No Wrong, Only Right and Good"

And bias has Never been Good nor Right!



Now my Honours, you can Ably Dismiss this Silly Matter as Opposing Counsel has Rightly and Truly Abandoned his Wrongful Relitigation of A Settled and Decided Suit, which is Also Absolutely Statue Barred.

For Counsel has Abandoned and Departed from the Issue, which is for this Court to Hear, Quash and Set Aside the Guilt of the Accused TO PLEADING FOR THE SOUL OF THE ACCUSED RAISING AN ALLOCUTION!

WHICH IS A CLEAR ADMISSION OF GUILT WHICH IS A CLEAR DEPARTURE FROM THE CASE COUNSEL WAS ATTEMPTING TO ESTABLISH EARLIER!

Which clearly shows that Counsel has Duely Taking Notice, that the Accused is Guilty, therefore Abandoning his former Advocacy of the Innocency of the Accused or at best the fact that he is guilty with reason, which is not so as the Records have Testified!

Thus, it is Right-Full that this Matter be Dismissed!

We wait for the final pronouncement on judgement day
I rest my case

HOLYSEE:

We wait for the final pronouncement on judgement day
I rest my case

Judgment day for someone who was lost?
I am afraid there is no judgment day for Judas since he is lost to Jesus which likely means no eternity for him, like Adam.

Kobojunkie:
Judgment day for someone who was lost?
I am afraid there is no judgment day for Judas since he is lost to Jesus which likely means no eternity for him, like Adam.

Be ready for the shocker.....why will you condemn Adam now. My brother we are not in the mind of God to know that

HOLYSEE:
Be ready for the shocker.....why will you condemn Adam now. My brother we are not in the mind of God to know that

I didn't condemn Adam and all others who do not believe in Him, God did,remember? In Genesis 2, and then 3, God judged man guilty and placed Death(perish in the grave/cease to exist) on man.

By the way, I believe you are right about Peter's sin. He did deny Jesus and was guilty of breaking that command. I mean that is reason for why three times Jesus forgave him in John 21.