HealerH:
Lol.



Atheist 1. : I don't believe all this fables about God. If God exists, he should talk to me directly about himself. Then I'll believe.

The Healer: This is normal. It's natural for man to experience something before believing in it.

Good!

But man MUST not experience everything. It's not even a question of "Can or cannot, may or may not". No. It's a MUST. You must not experience all.

Yes but not the most important of all information

Since you rejected the priest's information because you didn't make the experience of God yourself, be smart enough to reject the doctor's information. The person you call your father and the one you call your mother are possibly not your parents. The only reason you call them your parents is FAITH. You BELIEVED. Now you reject it when it comes to God but accept it when it's about your parents. Wise fellow. Make you no die of too much wisdom o.

These points of yours aren't "wise" in any way. You shouldn't compare DNA test figuring out the father of a baby with the message of a supposed all powerful entity because the message from this entity contains what would happen to us after we die. I could live all my life believing the person I call dad is really my dad whereas he isn't but accepting or rejecting him as my dad has next to nothing to do with how I would chose live my life or what would happen to me after I die.
The message from this supposed powerful entity is said by his believers to be the most important message of all and you're supposed to take the words and experiences of other man for it?

HealerH:

Atheist 2 : If God exists, why does evil exist?

See, the only evil in this world is the one created by man. God didn't create them, man did.

isaiah 45:7-8 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil : I the Lord do all these things.

MrColdsweat:
Why do you waste your time engaging the foolishness of atheists?

The human reasoning is incapable of completely grasping the infinite. We can only make assumptions and conjectures at infinity. We are also incapable of visualizing beyond the 3-dimensional plane. Certainly, this proves that the human reasoning is very limited.

What about their tools; science and philosophy? Not only are they mental fabrications of the limited human brain, they have their own limitations. Kurt Gödel already showed us the inconsistency of our mathematical system. Our scientific methodology which insists on human observation and experiment is another limitation on its own. Our whole field of science could be wrong and a waste of time.
Wittgenstein already showed us the fundamental problem of philosophy as LANGUAGE. Our problems with metaphysical concepts is lack of proper definition. We struggle with concepts like Good, bad, God because we do not have Concrete definitions for them. It is from definition we logically infer.

Now what do we call people who try to use their limited reasoning and tools to generalize on an abstract being which is acclaimed to possess infinite knowledge and energy?

That's like trying to measure air with a ruler.

Fools!!

Fools because they are not aware of their own mental insufficiency.

So because there are some things that are beyond our understanding right now it means there's some god. Hmmm things you read here

Thereddevil:

African/Nigerian atheists are just a set of people who at a point in their lives asked God for a miracle but felt they never got one.. A lot of my friends who became Atheists would claim God doesn't exist, but still goes to a herbalist who gives them magical soaps to make wealth, forgetting the herbalist called the name of a God as well... If men could tell what chemical reaction occurred for water to be made, I think the same man should be able to tell what chemical reaction occurred for the creation of the earth and every beautiful thing in it. What reaction could occur for the creation of a man? If chemical reaction could make a flesh, did it also make the organs? What chemical reaction occurred to create a heart and give it its function? If truly a chemical reaction brought about the creation of a man, the same should be able to create machines on its own.. If we were made through the reaction between different chemicals/elements, then we should be tagged "a mistake".. If there's a brain behind the creations of a man, then there's got to be a being behind the creation of a man's brain... Sometimes, I look at the world and all the beauties in it, I ask myself "could all these be as a result of a mistake?"..

These are the same questions I ask myself when talking to atheists. Sometimes they even steal from God without even acknowledging Him. Can you imagine?

hopefulLandlord:
Good!

Yes but not the most important of all information

These points of yours aren't "wise" in any way. You shouldn't compare DNA test figuring out the father of a baby with the message of a supposed all powerful entity because the message from this entity contains what would happen to us after we die. I could live all my life believing the person I call dad is really my dad whereas he isn't but accepting or rejecting him as my dad has next to nothing to do with how I would chose live my life or what would happen to me after I die.
The message from this supposed powerful entity is said by his believers to be the most important message of all and you're supposed to take the words and experiences of other man for it?

You believe the words other men; you believed your school teacher, and even our father who told you you were his son. All these you do without questioning because you took them by faith. So what is so hard in believing when a person tells you there is a God...?

The more you try to KNOW God through logical reasoning, the farther you move away from achieving your aim...God cannot be understood, He can only be revealed....and that's what faith simply is....it sounds foolish and absurd....but it's what it is.

Jashub:
You believe the words other men; you believed your school teacher, and even our father who told you you were his son. All these you do without questioning because you took them by faith. So what is so hard in believing when a person tells you there is a God...?

Since your pretending not to understand the gravity of this message of supposed all powerful entity to the extent of comparing him to schoolteachers and parents then I'd humour you. Let's say my I doubt what my schoolteacher taught me I can take my time to examine what he taught me and find out if it's true or false. If I doubt my supposed father is my real father I can become a geneticist and carry out a DNA test to confirm or refute my suspicions. Notice how these things can still be researched on? so tell me, now that I doubt your imaginary friend is real, what happens next? How can I find out if he's truly real or imaginary? now what you're telling me is that I should take the words of people who say he's real and their experiences then ignore conflicting ones

hopefulLandlord:

Since your pretending not to understand the gravity of this message of supposed all powerful entity to the extent of comparing him to schoolteachers and parents then I'd humour you. Let's say my I doubt what my schoolteacher taught me I can take my time to examine what he taught me and find out if it's true or false. If I doubt my supposed father is my real father I can become a geneticist and carry out a DNA test to confirm or refute my suspicions. Notice how these things can still be researched on? so tell me, now that I doubt your imaginary friend is real, what happens next? How can I find out if he's truly real or imaginary? now what you're telling me is that I should take the words of people who say he's real and their experiences then ignore conflicting ones

If indeed you seek the truth and you want answers, then go on a quest to know if God is real and existing. Do not stay here deceiving yourself

Jashub:
You believe the words other men; you believed your school teacher, and even our father who told you you were his son. All these you do without questioning because you took them by faith. So what is so hard in believing when a person tells you there is a God...?

Which God is that, a Christian man tells me a Christian God exist, a Muslim man tells me a Muslim God exist, so which man should I believe?

GRIMMJOE:
Which God is that, a Christian man tells me a Christian God exist, a Muslim man tells me a Muslim God exist, so which man should I believe?

They all speak about the same thing but only one of them has the right answer.

Jashub:
If indeed you seek the truth and you want answers, then go on a quest to know if God is real and existing. Do not stay here deceiving yourself

Kindly tell us quest you carried out to confirm your God exist.

Jashub:
They all speak about the same thing but only one of them has the right answer.

And out of 5,000 Gods you believe yours is the right one, smh.

GRIMMJOE:
And out of 5,000 Gods you believe yours is the right one, smh.

They are all theistic world views and what separates Christianity from them is Jesus rising from the dead. And if Jesus rose from the dead, that makes Christianity true.

Jashub:
They are all theistic world views and what separates Christianity from them is Jesus rising from the dead. And if Jesus rose from the dead, that makes Christianity true.

You think Jesus is the only deity that rose from the dead?


Bless your heart.

LOL. OP is full of it.


*Following

Jashub:
They are all theistic world views and what separates Christianity from them is Jesus rising from the dead. And if Jesus rose from the dead, that makes Christianity true.

I guess I'll take your word for it.

Jashub:
If indeed you seek the truth and you want answers, then go on a quest to know if God is real and existing. Do not stay here deceiving yourself

What quest should be go on?? As a Christian that knows better, educate him.

1Sharon:


You think Jesus is the only deity that rose from the dead?


Bless your heart.

It's a cognitive bias that makes one believes their religion is special.

1Sharon:


You think Jesus is the only deity that rose from the dead?


Bless your heart.

So mention one other deity you know that rose from the dead

GRIMMJOE:
I guess I'll take your word for it.

I guess it's my turn to ask questions : so why are you an atheist with no moral standard?

Jashub:
So mention one other deity you know that rose from the dead

Rising from the dead means nothing when the world is in poverty, rising from the dead is nothing when people are killed, raped, and murdered, who rising from the dead help.

GRIMMJOE:
Rising from the dead means nothing when the world is in poverty, rising from the dead is nothing when people are killed, raped, and murdered, who rising from the dead help.

And whose fault is that? God's...or man's?

Jashub:
I guess it's my turn to ask questions : so why are you an atheist with no moral standard?

I not an atheists, I have moral standard, not just the moral standard of killing the first born child of people you have a misunderstanding with.

Jashub:
And whose fault is that? God's...or man's?

let me re ask you the question, who created wickedness, who created disobedience, who created rape, who created poverty, can anything exist without a God creating it?

GRIMMJOE:
I not an atheists, I have moral standard, not just the moral standard of killing the first born child of people you have a misunderstanding with.

So what are you?

MrColdsweat:
Why do you waste your time engaging the foolishness of atheists?

The human reasoning is incapable of completely grasping the infinite. We can only make assumptions and conjectures at infinity. We are also incapable of visualizing beyond the 3-dimensional plane. Certainly, this proves that the human reasoning is very limited.

What about their tools; science and philosophy? Not only are they mental fabrications of the limited human brain, they have their own limitations. Kurt Gödel already showed us the inconsistency of our mathematical system. Our scientific methodology which insists on human observation and experiment is another limitation on its own. Our whole field of science could be wrong and a waste of time.
Wittgenstein already showed us the fundamental problem of philosophy as LANGUAGE. Our problems with metaphysical concepts is lack of proper definition. We struggle with concepts like Good, bad, God because we do not have Concrete definitions for them. It is from definition we logically infer.

Now what do we call people who try to use their limited reasoning and tools to generalize on an abstract being which is acclaimed to possess infinite knowledge and energy?

That's like trying to measure air with a ruler.

Fools!!

Fools because they are not aware of their own mental insufficiency.

You know you could have made your submission without insults right?

GRIMMJOE:
let me re ask you the question, who created wickedness, who created disobedience, who created rape, who created poverty, can anything exist without a God creating it?

Your question is wrong logically because your are trying to fit a description into a wrong category. For example : what is the taste of blue? This question is logically wrong because they are two separate none, -connected ideas. But to humor you, I will answer like this :

Those things do not exist with God ; they are choices man makes based on the freewill given to him by God. An
individual, who does thing consciously is independent from God's acts

Jashub:
Your question is wrong logically because your are trying to fit a description into a wrong category. For example : what is the taste of blue? This question is logically wrong because they are two separate none, -connected ideas. But to humor you, I will answer like this :

Those things do not exist with God ; they are choices man makes based on the freewill given to him by God. An
individual, who does thing consciously is independent from God's acts

And who asked God to give me freewill?

GRIMMJOE:
And who asked God to give me freewill?

God gave you freewill so you can make your own decisions regarding if you would love Him or hate Him. If there was no freewill, this universe would not be morally correct

Jashub:
God gave you freewill so you can make your own decisions regarding if you would love Him or hate Him. If there was no freewill, this universe would not be morally correct

Did I tell God I'm interested in loving him or hating him, lol.

GRIMMJOE:
Did I tell God I'm interested in loving him or hating him, lol.

If God did not give you freewill, then, this universe would be authoritative and that would make us robots who cannot think. So brother, God did you a huge favor.