Judybash93:


You know you could have made your submission without insults right?

What do you expect, most religion contains a lot of insult in them, Christian calling unbelievers fools, Muslim calling them infidel, it's all just a gimmick to make their religion feel superior.

Religious logic baffles me especially Christianity. So, God knows everything, he knows the end from the beginning and everything in between but decided to create humans in his image knowing fully that they would sin. They sinned...He then was like... Oh damn.. Okay... Lemme send myself to this people so that they'll kill me as a sacrifice to myself in order to cleanse them from the problem that i created in the first place. Oh oh oh!! And don't let us forget even though I know everything, i still give you free will.
In addition, if that god knew of the amount of confusion he/she would cause his/her creation, why not just let us know who or what you are. Can he/she/it do it? I don't know but is he/she/it doing it? Nope!!! in my opinion he has decided to show himself/herself or itself through books written by people who knew little about the world and wrote books detailing how the entire world population was wiped out by a flood where animals from the polar ice made it to a wooden boat that survived on water for a year. And oh, the book also details how to own people as property especially if they are not your kind.
By god, even within a certain religion, two people from the same denomination probably don't even see god as the same not to talk of different denominations...

Jashub:
If God did not give you freewill, then, this universe would be authoritative and that would make us robots who cannot think. So brother, God did you a huge favor.

By doing me this favor, I'm now in a position of going to hell, how is that a favor.

Judybash93:
Religious logic baffles me especially Christianity. So, God knows everything, he knows the end from the beginning and everything in between but decided to create humans in his image knowing fully that they would sin. They succeed...He then was like... Oh damn.. Okay... Lemme send myself to this people so that they'll kill me as a sacrifice to myself in order to cleanse them from the problem that i created in the first place. Oh oh oh!! And don't let us forget even though I know everything, i still give you free will.
In addition, if that god knew of the amount of confusion he/she would cause his/her creation, why not just let us know who or what you are. Can he/she/it do it? I don't know but is he/she/it doing it? Nope, in my opinion as he has decided to show himself/herself or itself through books written by people who knew like about the world and wrote books detailing how the entire world population was wiped out by a flood where animals from the polar ice made it to a wooden boat. And oh, the book also details how to own people as property especially if they are not your kind of people.
By god, even within a certain religion, two people from the same denomination probably don't even see god as the same but to talk of different denominations...

Your ravings will not change God from who He is neither will it give sense to the confusion you are experiencing

GRIMMJOE:
By doing me this favor, I'm now in a position of going to hell, how is that a favor.

The choice is yours. If you wish to go hell, it is a choice you chose to make. Like I said earlier, you have freewill to choose where you want to go. And nobody will stop you. But don't blame God for the choices you made when you go to hell.

Jashub:
Your ravings will not change God from who He is neither will it give sense to the confusion you are experiencing

Okay boss....lol.... I love this kinda response.

Jashub:
The choice is yours. If you wish to go hell, it is the choice a chose you to make. Like I said earlier, you have freewill to choose where you want to go. And nobody will stop you. But don't blame God for the choices you made when you go to hell.

But I didn't ask him to create me nah, is it by force.

GRIMMJOE:
But I didn't ask him to create me nah, is it by force.

...so why not kill yourself and end your current state of existence.

Jashub:
...so why not kill yourself and end your current state of existence.

because God doesn't exist.

"(No human on earth has an EXPERIMENTAL proof that their mother gave birth to them. Don't even bring in DNA testing here because it's never experimental. A doctor going into the laboratory with your blood sample and coming out to tell whatsoever about your parental roots is exactly the same thing like a priest coming down from the alter to tell you God exist."

LMAO!!! Are you kidding right now? You could go through a crash course on how DNA works brov. Moreover, a doctor has nothing to do with testing your blood sample to prove maternity or paternity when you have a geneticist they'll provide physical proof which is evidence but you'll believe a man who claims that he speaks to god but cannot even prove it to you.

GRIMMJOE:
because God doesn't exist.

So prove that God doesn't exist. And while your at it, kindly tell us from where the laws of nature came from

Judybash93:
"(No human on earth has an EXPERIMENTAL proof that their mother gave birth to them. Don't even bring in DNA testing here because it's never experimental. A doctor going into the laboratory with your blood sample and coming out to tell whatsoever about your parental roots is exactly the same thing like a priest coming down from the alter to tell you God exist."

LMAO!!! Are you kidding right now? You could go through a crash course on how DNA works brov. Moreover, a doctor has nothing to do with testing your that blood sample to prove maternity or paternity when you have a geneticist they'll provide physical proof which is evidence but you'll believe a man who claims that he speaks to god but cannot even prove it to you.

That's false equivalence fallacy, we can prove people give birth, but we can't prove a god created the world.

Jashub:
So prove that God doesn't exist. And while your at it, kindly tell us from where the laws of nature came from

The burden of prove is not on me, I never claimed a snake can talk, I never claimed a man rises from the dead, nor I was created from sand.


Like I've always said, with extraordinary claims, extraordinary prove is needed.

GRIMMJOE:
The burden of prove is not on me, I never claimed a snake can talk, I never claimed a man rises from the dead, nor I was created from sand.


Like I've always said, with extraordinary claims, extraordinary prove is needed.

You claim that God does not exist, so the onus is on you to prove this. Or have you forgotten your post earlier?

Jashub:
You claim that God does not exist, so the onus is on you to prove this. Or have you forgotten your post earlier?

You believe in the extraordinary, I believe in the ordinary.

Everything that happen to us human is ordinary, the fact that it's ordinary is prove already.

- When you die you die
- Sleeping paralysis is sleeping paralysis
- Starving your self in the name of fasting means nothing compared to those dying of hunger.

if you don't understand I'll explain further.

GRIMMJOE:
You believe in the extraordinary, I believe in the ordinary.

Everything that happen to us human is ordinary, the fact that it's ordinary is prove already.

- When you die you die
- Sleeping paralysis is sleeping paralysis
- Starving your self in the name of fasting means nothing compared to those dying of hunger.

if you don't understand I'll explain further.

So let me get you straight : your proof, for the nonexistentence of God comes from what you can experience right? Okay, what about those things you cannot experience : things like, your sense of morals or the knowledge that is wrong to kill babies ; where do they come from?

Jashub:
So let me get you straight : your proof, for the nonexistentence of God comes from what you can experience right? Okay, what about those things you cannot experience : things like, your sense of morals or the knowledge that is wrong to kill babies ; where do they come from?

I don't know neither do you nor you God that kills babies like nothing.

Before Christianity moral exist, otherwise our forefathers would have killed each other before Christian got to Africa.

GRIMMJOE:
I don't know neither do you nor you God that kills babies like nothing.

Before Christianity moral exist, otherwise our forefathers would have killed each other before Christian got to Africa.

Atheism has no standard. So whose standard are you using in making the accusations that God kills babies? Or shall we say you steal your standards from a God you do not believe in...?

A few questions for the atheist who say there is no God:

1. If God does not exist, then why do all people have a fixed moral obligation to love and not murder?

2. For those who say they evolved from chemical processes, kindly tell us how those molecules in motion have any authority to tell you how to behave?

3.When you do something wrong, whose standards are you displeasing, is it the carbon atom or the benzene molecules, which one ?

Jashub:
Atheism has no standard. So whose standard are you using in making the accusations that God kills babies? Or shall we say you steal your standards from a God you do not believe in...?

I have already answered this.

GRIMMJOE:
Before Christianity moral exist, otherwise our forefathers
would have killed each other before Christian got to Africa.

GRIMMJOE:
I have already answered this.

No you haven't. You just swerved just like the other blokes who claim to be atheist

Jashub:
A few questions for the atheist who say there is no God:

1. If God does not exist, then why do all people have a fixed moral obligation to love and not murder?

2. For those who say they evolved from chemical processes, kindly tell us how those molecules in motion have any authority to tell you how to behave?

3.When you do something wrong, whose standards are you displeasing, is it the carbon atom or the benzene molecules, which one ?

Lol at 2 and 3

1. All people don't have fixed moral, we evolve, just recently mid east stopped flogging as punishment, they evolved, killing of twins stopped in Africa, evolved.

2.

3. Standard these standard that, over to the chemistry students.

Ketamine9000mg:
"ATHEISM IS A FAILED QUEST TO DISCOVER GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. I DISCOVERED GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. "

You typed this. You have not written anything in this whole write up to validate this statement.

I expected an argument like
After xxxxxxxx
And yyyyyyyyyy through my unbeatable critical reasoning.
I am certain god exist.

Intelligent people that know the reasons behind earth quakes, congenital anomalies and existence of psychopaths won't use these as reasons to claim there is no god.

How does wealth accumulated by men of god(so to say) convince one of existence or non existence of god? It makes no sense.

Comparing our understanding of our parents to understanding of god is very far apart.
We have almost unlimited evidences to support the idea that those who we know as our parents are truly our parents and this evidences support a very singular idea. Like one won't say your father is an Indian and the other says he is an Asian. Contrarily, god has be described in a lot religious texts, and the idea of god has never being the same according to two different religious beliefs, even among those who are as close such as Abrahamic religion.

It is good to point out that these 3 point you dwelt upon didn't say how you discovered god through critical reasoning.


I was so eager to get a true conviction from your post that I read every single word and I did not see anything born out of critical reasoning in it.

This now brings us back to the question, HOW DID YOU DISCOVER GOD?

You still refer to the same blunt, rusty tool: Logical reasoning.

That is why you lots will almost never understand the Christians when they talk about God because God is not meant to be proven.

God is meant to be experienced.

And you only experience God through faith.

GRIMMJOE:
Lol at 2 and 3

1. All people don't have fixed moral, we evolve, just recently mid east stopped flogging as punishment, they evolved, killing of twins stopped in Africa, evolved.

2.

3. Standard these standard that, over to the chemistry students.

As usual you have no answer.

Jashub:
No you haven't. You just swerved just like the other blokes who claim to be atheist

What I see is a sheep refusing to be free, you have been indoctrinated to believe you're nothing without your religion, that's why you feel the need under a canopy, Christian canopy, Hindu canopy, and so on. That's why I told you I'm not an Atheist.

Be free of canopy my friend.

MrColdsweat:


You still refer to the same blunt, rusty tool: Logical reasoning.

That is why you lots will almost never understand the Christians when they talk about God because God is not meant to be proven.

God is meant to be experienced.

And you only experience God through faith.

Exactly, the only type.of Christians I respect are the ones that can say they don't know, but will blindly believe, because when you start claiming your "faith" is prove your God exist, then you should know other religions have their faith.


Simple, no prove God exist, finish. It's either you blindly believe or not, but if you claim you have prove be ready to bring a talking snake and a talking donkey

hopefulLandlord:


So because there are some things that are beyond our understanding right now it means there's some god. Hmmm things you read here

Read properly next time.

My post was not to prove God's existence. It was to show the stupidity of atheism.

Just as scientific truths has its methodologies i.e hypothesis, observation etc. Divine truths has its own methodology, which is faith. And these divine truths are gotten by visions, revelations, dreams etc.

Atheists are being foolish using the metrics and workings of accessing scientific truths for divine truths. You want us to give you scientific proof of God's existence so that you can prove and experiment God in a lab.

Logic and science get where e go work anf where e no go work.

Accessing God is only through faith. I'm not saying this because the bible said so. I'm saying this because this is a common thing we experience in our everyday lives. It is only through faith something new.


Those scientists who are working tirelessly in the lab, trying to find a cure for cancer or HIV, are they not working with faith?

Do they not have faith that a cure exist? Is it not that faith that drives them to the extreme?

Faith is far much more deeper and more important than you think. Faith is the first step to every invention. With faith you get new knowledge. That is why German philosopher Immanuel Kant declared "I had to do away with knowledge, to make room for faith."

Atheists will never find God because of their insistence on the wrong tools.

Proves and evidences are malleable. They don't count when it comes to divine truths.

If you, alone, saw a man wearing diamonds all around his body, and you tell your friends what you saw, and they dont believe you, and you are unable to prove to your friends and convince them of what you saw, does that mean you didn't see the man wearing diamonds?


Proofs mean nothing. Go to a law court and see how lawyers fabricate good proofs to defend the most absurd cases.


Go and study about this thing called faith, hopefully you'll understand why faith is the only way to the divine.

MrColdsweat:


Read properly next time.

My post was not to prove God's existence. It was to show the stupidity of atheism.

Just as scientific truths has its methodologies i.e hypothesis, observation etc. Divine truths has its own methodology, which is faith. And these divine truths are gotten by visions, revelations, dreams etc.

Atheists are being foolish using the metrics and workings of accessing scientific truths for divine truths. You want us to give you scientific proof of God's existence so that you can prove and experiment God in a lab.

Logic and science get where e go work anf where e no go work.

Accessing God is only through faith. I'm not saying this because the bible said so. I'm saying this because this is a common thing we experience in our everyday lives. It is only through faith something new.


Those scientists who are working tirelessly in the lab, trying to find a cure for cancer or HIV, are they not working with faith?

Do they not have faith that a cure exist? Is it not that faith that drives them to the extreme?

Faith is far much more deeper and more important than you think. Faith is the first step to every invention. With faith you get new knowledge. That is why German philosopher Immanuel Kant declared "I had to do away with knowledge, to make room for faith."

Atheists will never find God because of their insistence on the wrong tools.

Proves and evidences are malleable. They don't count when it comes to divine truths.

If you, alone, saw a man wearing diamonds all around his body, and you tell your friends what you saw, and they dont believe you, and you are unable to prove to your friends and convince them of what you saw, does that mean you didn't see the man wearing diamonds?


Proofs mean nothing. Go to a law court and see how lawyers fabricate good proofs to defend the most absurd cases.


Go and study about this thing called faith, hopefully you'll understand why faith is the only way to the divine.

In other words you can't prove your God exist, but you believe because of "faith". cool

GRIMMJOE:
In other words you can't prove your God exist, but you believe because of "faith". cool

I advice you to go and properly educate yourself so that you can drop valid arguments during discussions of this sort, instead of trolling and embarrassing yourself.


You atheists just find some few things you find inconsistent in the bible, then you make silly conclusions on Gods existence. Then you start believing you are smart. Here I am, trying to educate you on the shortcomings of your tools and why they can never do the job, you are still asking me to use your tools. Is this not foolishness?

Are there proofs of God's existence? Yes of course, but you atheists wouldn't know this because you're busy littering the cyberspace with your arrogance and foolishness.

Go and check Wikipedia for ontological proofs of God's existence and stop embarrassing yourself.

MrColdsweat:

I advice you to go and properly educate yourself so that you can drop valid arguments during discussions of this sort, instead of trolling and embarrassing yourself.


You atheists just find some few things you find inconsistent in the bible, then you make silly conclusions on Gods existence. Then you start believing you are smart. Here I am, trying to educate you on the shortcomings of your tools and why they can never do the job, you are still asking me to use your tools. Is this not foolishness?

Are there proofs of God's existence? Yes of course, but you atheists wouldn't know this because you're busy littering the cyberspace with your arrogance and foolishness.

Go and check Wikipedia for ontological proofs of God's existence and stop embarrassing yourself.

Nicely put

MrColdsweat:

I advice you to go and properly educate yourself so that you can drop valid arguments during discussions of this sort, instead of trolling and embarrassing yourself.


You atheists just find some few things you find inconsistent in the bible, then you make silly conclusions on Gods existence. Then you start believing you are smart. Here I am, trying to educate you on the shortcomings of your tools and why they can never do the job, you are still asking me to use your tools. Is this not foolishness?

Are there proofs of God's existence? Yes of course, but you atheists wouldn't know this because you're busy littering the cyberspace with your arrogance and foolishness.

Go and check Wikipedia for ontological proofs of God's existence and stop embarrassing yourself.

Thank you sir! I wish I was her to support you

Oga your confused about atheism, rationalism and skepticism

I do no want to elaborate but writing this post wont help your confusion but its still ok.

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