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Ihedinobi3:
LOL. Now the fallacies start getting thrown about! Ad hominem! Do you even know what it means?

If your claims are foolish, then you make foolish claims. You haven't tracked a single discussion we've had until now. You just keep waddling about like a drunken sailor and think you're being a genius.

Whether or not you believe it, I really don't care what you believe. It's not my problem at all, so I have no fury to spare on you. I just thought to indulge your great intelligence just this once. I haven't played with an arrogant atheist in a very long time now.

Take it easy on me bro, I didn’t hide the evidence for your God

First learn burden of proof before I engage you reasonable, else I will keep countering you with your own kinda logic

FatherOfJesus:
Take it easy on me bro, I didn’t hide the evidence for your God

First learn burden of proof before I engage you reasonable, else I will keep countering you with your own kinda logic

The burden of proof they taught in the philosophy class that you have never seen the inside of? LOL.

Ihedinobi3:
What a load of bunk!

This is how frustrating it is to defend things that do not exist.

Ihedinobi3:
The burden of proof they taught in the philosophy class that you have never seen the inside of? LOL.

The one you never learnt or intentionally ignore all because you cannot provide evidence for your God.

FatherOfJesus:
This is how frustrating it is to defend things that do not exist.

I'm sorry I can't sympathize with your pain. I don't know what it is like to defend your willful ignorance.

FatherOfJesus:
The one you never learnt or intentionally ignore all because you cannot provide evidence for your God.

You're probably right. I've never heard of your own version of burden of proof. They probably teach it in atheist bars where they go to talk drunk philosophy.

As for what I can or cannot do, it's not my problem that you blinded your own self.

Ihedinobi3:
You're probably right. I've never heard of your own version of burden of proof. They probably teach it in atheist bars where they go to talk drunk philosophy.

As for what I can or cannot do, it's not my problem that you blinded your own self.

If you read books aside from the fairytales in the Bible then you must have heard about it.

But Ofcourse whatever you know doesn’t go beyond the scope of the Bible. Little wonder

If you had provided evidence for your God, you won’t be in this entanglement

Ihedinobi3:
I'm sorry I can't sympathize with your pain. I don't know what it is like to defend your willful ignorance.

Do you know that we are having this argument because your God doesn’t exist and you are furious because I hold that opinion?

Evidence would have shut my mouth

FatherOfJesus:
If you read books aside from the fairytales in the Bible then you must have heard about it.

But Ofcourse whatever you know doesn’t go beyond the scope of the Bible. Little wonder

If you had provided evidence for your God, you won’t be in this entanglement

LOL!!!!!!!!! My guess is that if you had read half as much as I have, your English would be loads better.

FatherOfJesus:
Do you know that we are having this argument because your God doesn’t exist and you are furious because I hold that opinion?

Evidence would have shut my mouth

We're having an argument? LOL!

You don't recognize mockery when you read it? You really haven't read all that much, have you?

Ihedinobi3:
We're having an argument? LOL!

You don't recognize mockery when you read it? You really haven't read all that much, have you?

I am making a mockery of your God who can’t do anything about it because he doesn’t exist
If you have read so much yourself then your brain wouldn’t be infested with Jargons written by archaic humans who had little or no understand of how the universe works

Not my fault he doesn’t exist

Ihedinobi3:
LOL!!!!!!!!! My guess is that if you had read half as much as I have, your English would be loads better.

Since you think English proficiency means you have read a lot then I can’t help you. Logic just died here

No wonder you are struggling to provide evidence for your God

orisa37:
ATHEISTS don't know the BIBLE. They're trained to oppose THE TRUTH. AND ATHEISTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPIRITS, THE LIGHT, THE GOOD & BAD, ABOUT LIFE. THE HEART, THE SOUL, THE MIND , THE FLESH IN THE BODIES AND THEIR SHADOWS REFLECTED WHENEVER THERE'S ILLUMINATION AROUND. ALL ATHEISTS SUFFER CJD.

Man, your level of cognitive dissonance is mind-blowing. Don't attack the messenger.

FatherOfJesus:
I am making a mockery of your God who can’t do anything about it because he doesn’t exist
If you have read so much yourself then your brain wouldn’t be infested with Jargons written by archaic humans who had little or no understand of how the universe works

Not my fault he doesn’t exist

No. I disagree with you sir. Their god exists in their heads

Ihedinobi3:
The burden of proof they taught in the philosophy class that you have never seen the inside of? LOL.

Wouldn't the null hypothesis be "There is no God?"

If so,shouldn't the one claiming otherwise provide the evidence, and if so satisfied, can go ahead and ask a challenger to provide evidence proving otherwise?

Please don't insult me...we all want to learn...if i ask more questions, its not to frustrate you but to learn.

FatherOfJesus:
I am making a mockery of your God who can’t do anything about it because he doesn’t exist
If you have read so much yourself then your brain wouldn’t be infested with Jargons written by archaic humans who had little or no understand of how the universe works

Not my fault he doesn’t exist

FatherOfJesus:
Since you think English proficiency means you have read a lot then I can’t help you. Logic just died here

No wonder you are struggling to provide evidence for your God

I do have limits. Beyond a certain point, I can't effectively mock you anymore. After all, it does take a target possessing some common sense for mockery to be meaningful. You don't seem to have even that. If I continue, it will only degenerate into abuse.

So at this point, I will leave you to the madness that is your "logic." I never have a high expectation of atheistic intelligence, but then sometimes I run into new lows that do leave me a little stumped. Yours is one of those. So I'm bowing out. Carry on with your great intelligence that cannot comprehend the simplest things.

kimco:
Wouldn't the null hypothesis be "There is no God?"

If so,shouldn't the one claiming otherwise provide the evidence, and if so satisfied, can go ahead and ask a challenger to provide evidence proving otherwise?

Please don't insult me...we all want to learn...if i ask more questions, its not to frustrate you but to learn.

Hi there.

Been a minute. Still doing anime and manga? Boruto hasn't been that interesting...or I'm just not that interested anymore in anime. Hard to be sure since I've done several different anime since, but Boruto was just hard to watch. Gave up on manga because I found it too unsatisfying. No color and no moving images; unpleasant combination for me. I would prefer to read a novel in that case.

About the null hypothesis, I'm not sure what you mean to say. How does the concept apply here?

However, if I am understanding you correctly, I would ask whether you believe that US defense attorneys ought to do nothing in court except demand that the state prove its case against their clients. I think you know that that is not what happens.

I may be understanding you wrong, so feel free to correct me.

As for insulting you, I don't think that comment is warranted at all. Even if you don't remember me, you have little reason here to think that I might or would. I rarely engage atheists on this platform anymore. When I do, the conversations are typically extremely brief. The one I have been having with your cohort is an outlier. My engagement with the thread would have ended with my first post, but I have run into him a few times and his arguments seem to have little self-reflection in them. That is why I decided to push him a bit. It hasn't worked, so I have stopped. The "pushing" too has not been insulting him per se either. It has been mockery of his vaunted intelligence in order to get him to actually think about the things that he says.

I have seen you around here several times too and not engaged you until now. So, you have not experienced any insolence from me. As I said, unless my memory is failing me right now, I didn't insult you back on the Naruto thread years ago either.

So I would urge you to avoid making such comments that call other people's character into question. If you have a reason for making them, it would be good to include it along with your comment so that there is no undue offense. Otherwise, it would be best to refrain from making them.

Guy i'm an ex-military intelligence agent so don't think you're chatting with some stupid idiot who just wake up one day to join a religious group out of mere emotions.
I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses so i can tell you a thousand and one differences between the two.
As for what you called genocide in the Bible, all you need to do is keep asking thought provoking questions to help your neighbour reason along with you on matters you feel is getting out of hand.
As i said earlier, i learnt so much in the military so i can TEACH you what we're doing there that a common layman like you don't know. For instance you may think that the job of an army is to defend their country as most people believe but it's deeper than that.
When an army with arsenal set ammunitions and parade their forces with intelligence common people like you just feel they're entertaining you but the truth is they are sending a warning message abroad to all surrounding nations that the God of WAR is on their side. So whatever will make any country, nation or people challenge them simply means such challenging nation wants their people dead!
Before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob began asking the Israelites (His people) to go and attack any nation He as the best military intelligence LORD sends a warning message throughout the earth. He allowed His chosen race (Israelites) to be enslaved by the world's most powerful nation of that time (Egypt) then four hundred years later He sent an eighty years old man (Moses) to go and deliver a multitude of people who don't have any military training out of slavery in Egypt. He didn't just kill their stubborn warlord King Pharaoh but performed so many signs to help Pharaoh and all his people realise that this is not just one of those gods speaking but the most high spirit being. Pharaoh continue to prove stubborn until his best warriors perished in the Red Sea.
My friend, this is the greatest message ever in the history of military intelligence that no agent will hear and think of challenging the orders from that person! So if any nation should hear of the Israelites approaching what any right thinking military intelligence agent will tell his people is "SURRENDER" not to plan any war strategy.
The person coming with the Israelites have destroyed the world's greatest army of the time without a military force!
Listen to what a prostitute from Jericho (Rahab) said: "We have heard the greatness of your God and all our people are panicking in fear of you, so please swear to me in the name of your God that you will spare me and my family" Joshua 2:9-13
Of course Rahab is just a common prostitute but she acted wisely and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rewarded this woman by making sure that her name was written in the lineage of the greatest man who ever lived (Jesus Christ) {Matthew 1:5} moreover JEHOVAH inspired Paul the Apostle to list Rahab's name in the book of life {Hebrews 11:31} so i don't have any doubt in my heart that this is the one and only true God ever loyal to those who are loyal! Psalms 52:8
Now tell me what exactly were the wise men of that time thinking if a common prostitute could act so wisely but they stood against a Warrior they can never defeat?
So whatever makes any nation stands in the path of the Israelites after hearing all what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did in Egypt is simply tantamount to a disrespect of the greatest Warrior King of all times (JEHOVAH God). Therefore they deserve what happened to them!

Blakjewelry:
There is nothing like Divine wisdom, some of the greatest people to grace the pulpit in recent history are more of humanist than just stupidly religious. Wisdom has more to way you perceive life, that is why I respect the likes of Matthew kukah not some silly folks like pastor Chris and sulaiman with their multitudes of fools. Sometimes what you guys call Divine wisdom is just your emotions playing tricks on you. For instance in the book of exodus the Israelites were commanded to commit genocide, just like what the jihadist believe today, you will condenm their actions but the ones you read in your Bible because you believe your God is right, now if your own is right, theirs is also right since they are both Divine instructions.
Now back to the issue of correlation, there is a popular saying if you don't know your past, then you are not ready for the future. The old testament is just a lift off from Hebrew culture. Whether Christian or or Muslims you have a link to that culture whether you like or not

Ihedinobi3:
I do have limits. Beyond a certain point, I can't effectively mock you anymore. After all, it does take a target possessing some common sense for mockery to be meaningful. You don't seem to have even that. If I continue, it will only degenerate into abuse.

So at this point, I will leave you to the madness that is your "logic." I never have a high expectation of atheistic intelligence, but then sometimes I run into new lows that do leave me a little stumped. Yours is one of those. So I'm bowing out. Carry on with your great intelligence that cannot comprehend the simplest things.

I already said that you will look for a way to runaway. It’s hard to defend things that are not in existence.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy i'm an ex-military intelligence agent so don't think you're chatting with some stupid idiot who just wake up one day to join a religious group out of mere emotions.
I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses so i can tell you a thousand and one differences between the two.
As for what you called genocide in the Bible, all you need to do is keep asking thought provoking questions to help your neighbour reason along with you on matters you feel is getting out of hand.
As i said earlier, i learnt so much in the military so i can TEACH you what we're doing there that a common layman like you don't know. For instance you may think that the job of an army is to defend their country as most people believe but it's deeper than that.
When an army with arsenal set ammunitions and parade their forces with intelligence common people like you just feel they're entertaining you but the truth is they are sending a warning message abroad to all surrounding nations that the God of WAR is on their side. So whatever will make any country, nation or people challenge them simply means such challenging nation wants their people dead!
Before the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob began asking the Israelites (His people) to go and attack any nation He as the best military intelligence LORD sends a warning message throughout the earth. He allowed His chosen race (Israelites) to be enslaved by the world's most powerful nation of that time (Egypt) then four hundred years later He sent an eighty years old man (Moses) to go and deliver a multitude of people who don't have any military training out of slavery in Egypt. He didn't just kill their stubborn warlord King Pharaoh but performed so many signs to help Pharaoh and all his people realise that this is not just one of those gods speaking but the most high spirit being. Pharaoh continue to prove stubborn until his best warriors perished in the Red Sea.
My friend, this is the greatest message ever in the history of military intelligence that no agent will hear and think of challenging the orders from that person! So if any nation should hear of the Israelites approaching what any right thinking military intelligence agent will tell his people is "SURRENDER" not to plan any war strategy.
The person coming with the Israelites have destroyed the world's greatest army of the time without a military force!
Listen to what a prostitute from Jericho (Rahab) said: "We have heard the greatness of your God and all our people are panicking in fear of you, so please swear to me in the name of your God that you will spare me and my family" Joshua 2:9-13
Of course Rahab is just a common prostitute but she acted wisely and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob rewarded this woman by making sure that her name was written in the lineage of the greatest man who ever lived (Jesus Christ) {Matthew 1:5} moreover JEHOVAH inspired Paul the Apostle to list Rahab's name in the book of life {Hebrews 11:31} so i don't have any doubt in my heart that this is the one and only true God ever loyal to those who are loyal! Psalms 52:8
Now tell me what exactly were the wise men of that time thinking if a common prostitute could act so wisely but they stood against a Warrior they can never defeat?
So whatever makes any nation stands in the path of the Israelites after hearing all what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did in Egypt is simply tantamount to a disrespect of the greatest Warrior King of all times (JEHOVAH God). Therefore they deserve what happened to them!

first off check through history if any of your claim tally with real historical event. the Bible said Pharaoh and his army drown in the sea, when there is no convincing historical backing they tend edit the story to exclude the king himself, also there is no historical evidence that the Israelites destroyed Jericho do your research. go read the many books associated with early Hebrew culture and you will find that the tales of Yahweh is not much different from the many gods surrounding the Hebrews back then.

FatherOfJesus:
I already said that you will look for a way to runaway. It’s hard to defend things that are not in existence.

I don't think you said that I would run away from abuse and time-wasting engagements.

I haven't offered a defense for anything that is or is not in existence.

I did offer a comprehensive response to your wild claims about the Bible. You have not refuted or otherwise engaged that response until now.

Be that as it may, I am quite done with the frivolity. That's all I said. Judging by your earlier comments and responses, I can't say that it's surprising that you didn't understand that.

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think you said that I would run away from abuse and time-wasting engagements.

I haven't offered a defense for anything that is or is not in existence.

I did offer a comprehensive response to your wild claims about the Bible. You have not refuted or otherwise engaged that response until now.

Be that as it may, I am quite done with the frivolity. That's all I said. Judging by your earlier comments and responses, I can't say that it's surprising that you didn't understand that.

religion cannot survive these two words “Prove it”.

It’s understandable when you typed numerous words without a single evidence for your god.

FatherOfJesus:
religion cannot survive these two words “Prove it”.

It’s understandable when you typed numerous words without a single evidence for your god.

Did your OP demand evidence for God?

Ihedinobi3:
Did your OP demand evidence for God?

I am wondering how we also got here if you had not derailed the topic

That's why i asked you from the beginning:
What is your point?
Because you just sound like an atheist desperate to discard everything without thorough investigation.
So if what is written in the Bible is all fake then why raising the issue of GENOCIDE?
The Bible has exposed the secret of Satan who is behind all the confusion in world. Even Egyptians decades ago wanted to debunk the history of Moses and the Israelites but as JEHOVAH the wisest Person has prepared fully to sanctify His name globally.
Why do you think JEHOVAH permitted Mohammed to establish Islam to continue contending with the Bible?
Well the answer was revealed when Egyptians who are die-hard Muslims wanted to debunk the history of Moses and the Israelites but what are they going to do with their Qur'an in which Mohammed spoke of Pharaoh, Moses and God's people?
Is there any nation on this planet where Pharaohs reign as kings apart from Egypt?
Even there football team is named after Pharaoh!
So if they want to debunk Moses and the Israelites then Mohammed will must be out as well!
Sorry my friend i'm one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not just a Churchgoer so if you don't have anything tangible to say i'll appreciate your silence!

Blakjewelry:
first off check through history if any of your claim tally with real historical event. the Bible said Pharaoh and his army drown in the sea, when there is no convincing historical backing they tend edit the story to exclude the king himself, also there is no historical evidence that the Israelites destroyed Jericho do your research. go read the many books associated with early Hebrew culture and you will find that the tales of Yahweh is not much different from the many gods surrounding the Hebrews back then.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i asked you from the beginning:
What is your point?
Because you just sound like an atheist desperate to discard everything without thorough investigation.
So if what is written in the Bible is all fake then why raising the issue of GENOCIDE?
The Bible has exposed the secret of Satan who is behind all the confusion in world. Even Egyptians decades ago wanted to debunk the history of Moses and the Israelites but as JEHOVAH the wisest Person has prepared fully to sanctify His name globally.
Why do you think JEHOVAH permitted Mohammed to establish Islam to continue contending with the Bible?
Well the answer was revealed when Egyptians who are die-hard Muslims wanted to debunk the history of Moses and the Israelites but what are they going to do with their Qur'an in which Mohammed spoke of Pharaoh, Moses and God's people?
Is there any nation on this planet where Pharaohs reign as kings apart from Egypt?
Even there football team is named after Pharaoh!
So if they want to debunk Moses and the Israelites then Mohammed will must be out as well!
Sorry my friend i'm one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not just a Churchgoer so if you don't have anything tangible to say i'll appreciate your silence!

This is one of the most funniest response I have gotten from someone in recent times. first off, mention the name of the Pharaoh on which reign, the event did take place, because since all Egyptian kings were called Pharaoh but they all have real name so I will like you to be specific. secondly Islam is just a baby religion introduced into Egypt in recent times, Egyptian culture far predate your biblical Israelites stories. like I said, study history of happening around the time frame given by the Bible are see if it correlate. I am not saying the Bible is totally out of order with history but it is not 100% correct as regard to the authors even experts on theological studies agrees on this. even experts believes those 6 books were not actually written by Moses, do your finding I just throw words because I want to argue try and prove me wrong. And for your information I was once a witness so don't think you have anything to say that I have not come across. also I am not here to desuade anyone from practicing his or her choice of religion, beside I have Muslims and christians working for me, I excuse whenever they want to do their religious rites, I am only here to test brain power so I expect you to dive down and bring fact rather than give me quote from the same book week are contesting. I believe man created religion to answer the unknown, but once that is not working keep searching and science was born, the beauty of science is that it is not authoritative, it gives room for improvement

FatherOfJesus:
If you buy the Bible and never read it, you will probably become a catholic.

If you buy the Bible and only read what suits you, you will become a Pentecostal and then lie that the Holy Spirit directed you.

If you read buy a Bible and allow someone else to interpret it for you, you will become a normal Christian.

If you buy the Bible, read it, analyze it, reason it, research it, you will become an atheist.

I have read the Bible from Genesis 1 to revelation 22 thrice, ponder on it, looked correlations with reality, thought about all the contradictions and incoherence without bias I ended concluding that this book is like any other history book with exaggerations.

The funniest thing is that most people will tell you that you need the holy spirit for understanding, this is a subtly way of telling you that you shouldn’t read the Bible with you brain.

Ihedinobi3:
Hi there.

What an arrogant thing to say. That is exactly like saying that if you read a comprehensive physics text that covers all physics knowledge from elementary principles to complex and advanced cutting edge concepts, you will become anti-physics.

I think you'll agree that that is nonsense. It might be frustrating to make sense of physics without a teacher showing you what it all means, but that does not mean that physics is contradictory and incoherent. The need for a teacher is just natural. Not all knowledge is intuitive. Beyond a certain threshold, all knowledge is learned from experts who in turn learned from other experts etc.

Is self-teaching possible? Yes, but only when a given field of knowledge is still nascent and also when one can take advantage of established standards in a field of learning and access to the works of excellent instructors in that field. That is, self-teaching is a bit of an oxymoron. It still involves dependence on other people's established expertise and upon the degree of advancement in a given field.

For example, 20 years ago - and even today to some significant degree - software development was so nascent that any adventurer could become an expert in it. Although the field is still not quite mature, it has advanced enough for there to be some standards and bodies of work that any interested learner has to work through in order to get anywhere. In time, the knowledge will be too vast for anyone to get anywhere without some structured instruction. We're almost there now.

Contrast this with, say, medicine. It would be quite a feat if anyone learned medicine without structured instruction. It is not impossible, but it is so difficult that it would make little sense to want to do so. The knowledge there is quite mature and diverse. This makes it hard to learn without having proper guidance in putting it all together.

The Bible is a vast field of learning. It claims to teach human beings about God after all. That is hardly to be expected to be an easy navigation. There are bound to be difficulties pulling the many different classes of knowledge together to paint one clear cohesive picture. This is not something that a novice can undertake to do by himself. Structured instruction is therefore critical.

One big difference between the Bible and any textbook you might find is that a textbook looks to interpret knowledge distilled from the physical universe while the Bible is the spiritual universe that we need to have interpreted to us. That is, where Isaac Newton, for example, theorized gravity on the basis of an apple falling on his head, the Bible is the falling of the apple on one's head. It is not itself an observation and interpretation of spiritual reality as a textbook is of physical reality. You could almost say that it is a spiritual factbook. It only gives us information about spiritual realities. The interpretation of this information is only accessible through structured instruction by experts.

Who are the experts? Pastor-teachers who are trained in turn by pastor-teachers. The chain goes back, first, to the Man Jesus Christ--Who is also God--who trained the first set of experts to both complete the writing of the Bible and teach it and, second, to the Lord God in the Garden of Eden who taught Adam and Eve the things that they passed down to their descendants and were eventually captured in the writings of the prophets and interpreted by them and the priests that God also instituted.

That is to say that the Bible is interpreted by a chain of pastor-teachers which goes all the way back to God Himself.

As for the bit about having the Holy Spirit, let us consider the following illustration. Unless a person actually has the ability to process physical reality, that is, unless one has a normal brain, he or she cannot understand anything about physical reality. The ability to process information about the physical universe is the only way to actually make sense of the natural world. This applies to spiritual things too.

It is impossible to understand spiritual realities if one does not possess the faculty necessary for processing information about them. This is the epistemological problem that atheists complain about. That is, if God is not part of this universe, then how can we know anything about Him? It's like how the software program can know anything about the engineer who wrote it. It is impossible for the software code to know anything about the one who wrote it unless there is an intervention by the writer himself.

The solution then to knowing a God Who is not part of the universe is for that God to actually provide information about Himself directly and give us the ability to perceive it. Through a willingness to give Him the benefit of the doubt (that is, faith) and the provision of the Holy Spirit, we are made able to perceive information about this God.

The Holy Spirit provides us with the ability to perceive spiritual realities. Faith in God that rests on the witness of the universe that demands a Creator of the kind and nature that the Bible describes makes us able to actually take advantage of the Holy Spirit's help to understand the Bible. If we are unwilling to listen to God, then the Holy Spirit is of no use to us. If we are, then the Holy Spirit will grant us the ability to perceive and understand spiritual realities.

Once we have come to possess this ability through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, we become able to understand any interpretation of the Bible provided by a competent pastor-teacher. Otherwise, we simply can't understand the things that a pastor-teacher says. Just as the Bible sounds like gibberish and contradictory nonsense to the unbeliever, Bible teaching provided by a competent pastor-teacher will sound the same to the unbeliever.

In short, the Bible is not open to just anybody. As much as it is a book that God has given to the human race to tell us of Himself, it is also a book that demands that we respect it and approach it the way it prescribes or else it will not yield its wealth to us. That is not strange either since every field of knowledge demands its own rite of passage so to speak.

Cheers.

FatherOfJesus:
The difference between a physics textbook and the Bible is evidence.
The Bible never provides evidence for anything hence rational people don’t believe it

Shameless liar.

Who derailed the thread again?

Ihedinobi3:
Shameless liar.

Who derailed the thread again?

Lol, I’m done with you bro

FatherOfJesus:
Lol, I’m done with you bro

LOL. Now who's running?

The highlighted is what spoilt everything you just typed because you are never one of JWs, of course you might have attended our meetings and follow us but being a JW involves much more than that!
The Bible is not a history book but message from God, the dates are accurate and specific names were mentioned in line with what is written in the Bible.
For your information, the Bible is no more the strongest evidence about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but Jehovah's Witnesses. The God of Israel said "You are my Witnesses" Isaiah 43:10-12
So the book was given to guide God's people into doing His will, if people like you now says you're believing what historians, archeologists and the others are telling you above God's word, Jehovah has given us the strongest evidence nobody can refute!
I told you that you were never one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but just a bench warmer in our midst. Do you know the reason why the JW prefer to be called "organization" instead of Church?
Well i'll enlighten you.
Mankind today is praying, working, striving and doing everything manly possible to make PEACE reign amongst people of all nations, they have formed thousands of ORGANIZATIONS but it all ended in failure.
But the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said in his word (Bible) that during the time when people throughout the earth are crying and wailing for PEACE to reign "an ORGANIZED PEOPLE from different races throughout the earth will emerge, they will settle (within themselves) all the racial prejudice affecting all other ORGANIZED groups, they will abandon the use of weapons to resolve their differences, they will put all the resources they're able to get to good use (food both spiritual and physical), they will vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman and they will not learn war anymore" Isaiah 2:2-4 ; Micah 4:1-3
Today this is happening in my own eyes and i'm a living testimony of this fact, therefore i don't need any scrutiny over whatever is written in the Bible, i've gotten enough evidence that i want! John 4:42
You may continue looking for historical and archeological evidence against God's word, JEHOVAH has proved Himself by presenting His Witnesses before the whole world! Act 1:8
So as i said, if you don't have something tangible to say i'll appreciate your silence!

Blakjewelry:
This is one of the most funniest response I have gotten from someone in recent times. first off, mention the name of the Pharaoh on which reign, the event did take place, because since all Egyptian kings were called Pharaoh but they all have real name so I will like you to be specific. secondly Islam is just a baby religion introduced into Egypt in recent times, Egyptian culture far predate your biblical Israelites stories. like I said, study history of happening around the time frame given by the Bible are see if it correlate. I am not saying the Bible is totally out of order with history but it is not 100% correct as regard to the authors even experts on theological studies agrees on this. even experts believes those 6 books were not actually written by Moses, do your finding I just throw words because I want to argue try and prove me wrong. And for your information I was once a witness so don't think you have anything to say that I have not come across. also I am not here to desuade anyone from practicing his or her choice of religion, beside I have Muslims and christians working for me, I excuse whenever they want to do their religious rites, I am only here to test brain power so I expect you to dive down and bring fact rather than give me quote from the same book week are contesting. I believe man created religion to answer the unknown, but once that is not working keep searching and science was born, the beauty of science is that it is not authoritative, it gives room for improvement

FatherOfJesus:
If you buy the Bible and never read it, you will probably become a catholic.

Catholics are often criticized for the way we approach the Bible. These criticisms normally come from two directions. From one direction some Protestant Christians, who disagree with Catholic doctrine concerning tradition and with the Catholic approach to Scripture, charge the Church with neglecting Scripture. These charges come through both scholarly debate and popular polemics (the latter often containing a great deal of false information). From another direction, the Church is sometimes criticized by people who suppose that Catholics approach the Scriptures with blind faith—unthinkingly and unquestioningly believing things that seem to contradict both science and reason.

Catholicism is soaked in Scripture, and the central rite of Catholicism—the Mass—is profoundly biblical. It’s not just in the liturgy that Catholics encounter the Bible. Catholics use the Scriptures for the study of theology, for personal devotion and prayer, and for public prayer. Moreover, many Catholic parishes offer Bible study groups and Vacation Bible School so that the faithful not only encounter the Word of God but also learn how to take their study of the Word deeper. As disciples of Christ, we are continually spurred on to a deeper knowledge of Scripture, for, as St. Jerome reminds us, “Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.”

So where does the charge that Catholics don’t read the Bible come from? This criticism originates from a certain Protestant point of view and it is based on various bits of half-truths or mistakes. Prior to the advent of the printing press (mid-1400s) and widespread literacy, it was true that most Catholics never read the Bible. But this was because most Catholics couldn’t read anything; the majority of people were illiterate. Moreover, for those few who could read, Bibles were hard to come by; each one had to be painstakingly copied by hand.

Another truth that has contributed to the perception that Catholics don’t read the Bible is the fact that the Catholic Church is far larger than any single Protestant community, and has an inclusive understanding of its membership. Accordingly, the Church is like a nation, full of all kinds of people of varying degrees of education, piety, and enthusiasm. Many people who do not practice their faith will, when asked, identify themselves as Catholic. But one of the consequences is that people end up encountering Catholics who know very little about their faith and who have perhaps never opened a Bible.

These few factors have come together to create the common misconception that Catholics don’t read the Bible. Yet, while Catholics don’t approach the Bible in the same way as Protestants, the Scriptures nevertheless are of supreme importance in the life of the Church. All Catholics are encouraged to read and learn them.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is what spoilt everything you just typed because you are never one of JWs, of course you might have attended our meetings and follow us but being a JW involves much more than that!
The Bible is not a history book but message from God, the dates are accurate and specific names were mentioned in line with what is written in the Bible.
For your information, the Bible is no more the strongest evidence about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but Jehovah's Witnesses. The God of Israel said "You are my Witnesses" Isaiah 43:10-12
So the book was given to guide God's people into doing His will, if people like you now says you're believing what historians, archeologists and the others are telling you above God's word, Jehovah has given us the strongest evidence nobody can refute!
I told you that you were never one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but just a bench warmer in our midst. Do you know the reason why the JW prefer to be called "organization" instead of Church?
Well i'll enlighten you.
Mankind today is praying, working, striving and doing everything manly possible to make PEACE reign amongst people of all nations, they have formed thousands of ORGANIZATIONS but it all ended in failure.
But the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob said in his word (Bible) that during the time when people throughout the earth are crying and wailing for PEACE to reign "an ORGANIZED PEOPLE from different races throughout the earth will emerge, they will settle (within themselves) all the racial prejudice affecting all other ORGANIZED groups, they will abandon the use of weapons to resolve their differences, they will put all the resources they're able to get to good use (food both spiritual and physical), they will vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman and they will not learn war anymore" Isaiah 2:2-4 ; Micah 4:1-3
Today this is happening in my own eyes and i'm a living testimony of this fact, therefore i don't need any scrutiny over whatever is written in the Bible, i've gotten enough evidence that i want! John 4:42
You may continue looking for historical and archeological evidence against God's word, JEHOVAH has proved Himself by presenting His Witnesses before the whole world! Act 1:8
So as i said, if you don't have something tangible to say i'll appreciate your silence!

If you believe the Bible is word of God why did you guys choose which part to be included and which part is not to be. What happened to the book of Adam and Eve, what happened to the book of Enoch, what happened to the apocrypha of Abraham and Moses. The truth is man himself has always been the mouth and mind of God from time immemorial. you said I was never a jw because I no longer share the same ideology, come to my area and see alot jw kids now into yahoo a thing you will hardly see before, the truth is time change. Like I always say, religion is very important because it helps to keep a lot maniacs in check.