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More reasons to show all the IDIOTS that still have fate in ONE NIGERIA. How can any country that is worth something in this 21st Century still be grappling with lack of electricity?

[quote author= post=100817927]We can't be having this year in year out since 1960.
Something needs to be done permanently about this power issue.
The Minister of power has been doing above average concerning power (compared to previous years), but they still need to do more.

Btw
We hope our country's 16 Billion Dollars Electricity project money under OBJ and Atiku won't just disappear like that?
This money can give everlasting power to 12 African countries combined.
How we wish it was even just the epileptic power problem that the party of criminals and looters solved for our country in their 16 years of failure.
We would have love them so much.
But for what, na only looting looting, stealing galore.
They even looted money meant to build their party National HQ!!
How we wish!

...and you are 100% right with that also.
And when we talk about the past,
It is not for people like you that have the genuine interest of the nation at heart.
When we read comments from good, honest and patriotic Nigerians like you, we surely respect it a lot.
It is your type that we can easily have a reasonable, responsible and mature conversation with on how to move Nigeria forward, not the ones playing politics of bitterness and hatred that will never make them go forward in life.

SO,
the people we keep reminding of the past are the ones that are pained that their corrupt politicians lost 2 presidential elections and doing everything to bring the country to disrepute, forgetting what the party they would have preferred to be in power did to this nation in 16 wasted years, they are all suffering from collective amnesia.
During the era of their preferred thieving and looting party,
The Excess Crude Account was looted dry.
Foreign reserves drawn down.
Federation Account, emptied.
We made the highest revenue in the history of our nation, But they still borrowed money to pay salaries!!!
And the economy was set on an irreversible path to recession.
And they say; don't talk about it.
Focus on the present and the future only.
How we miss Fela Anikulapo-Kuti. He would have said: "I go shout o, I go shout plenty o."
If we don't focus on the past, we are then liable to make the same mistakes.
"Those who cannot learn from the past mistakes will never move forward in life

So this is why those children of hate, frustrations and perdition are always in pain when they are reminded of the looting failures they supported in their 16 years of recklessness taking our country 100 years back.
You see them wailing and gnashing their teeth to the blatant truth that kils them on a daily basis. [/quote]And your present saviour in government is better, really I don't know when you will start putting to use the brain GOD gave you. Mind you I am not in support of any party because all the political parties are thesame, I just want you to be sane again

DubaiLandLord:
I no dey switch on anything if I dey sleep. But no b say nah every time I no dey notice o cause nah borehole I dey use and nah I'm I dey use pump water.

Tbh, The light has being terrible lately.
I just DEH pity people wey no use prepaid metre

prophetwis:
And the Ikeja electricty bill was thrice what it was in February,from 15K to 37k for a month of darkness

Enjoy......

Stevyne:
Tbh, The light has being terrible lately.
I just DEH pity people wey no use prepaid metre

I swear. The only thing wey never make me use cutlass or a bottle on IEDC staff nah because I dey use prepaid meter.

DubaiLandLord:
I swear. The only thing wey never make me use cutlass or a bottle on IEDC staff nah because I dey use prepaid meter.

Boss the matter long o.
E get one area for my side now, Nepa come there con cut light if you see beating wey dem give this Nepa officials.
Those people DEH suffer am now for the past 2 months dem no see light.

Omoh, prepaid metre legit o

Stevyne:
Boss the matter long o.
E get one area for my side now, Nepa come there con cut light if you see beating wey dem give this Nepa officials.
Those people DEH suffer am now for the past 2 months dem no see light.

Omoh, prepaid metre legit o

For my area nah since first week of March we dey suffer am. Them deserve the beating.

I believe the Government should make Power supply their top priority.

Eriokanmi:
Mallams aren't good managers. History can remind us all

1.That's not quite true....JAMB was able to get a handle on its cheating problem back in the late 1990's during its exams due to a 'mallam'..and Elrufai was a generally good minister of the FCT (before he went full poltical...and messed up). Then there is malam pantami, though now of dubious provenance, whose NIN idea neverhteless is good enough to at least provide a potential way of reducing crime.

2.The problem with the power sector is very simple...there isn't enough money in the system to pay for improvements and upgrades because...

a) Tariffs have not been cost reflective. Until recently power cost N53 per kwh to make, and we sold that power at N20-30 per kwh. All the DISCOS, as at 2018 were running at a loss (and the laws allowing this to happen were put in place when a Southerner was in charge IN 2013-4). Because the DISCOS run at a loss they find it difficult to pay the gencos...which means gencos cannot make enough cash to fix things

The losses were covered by a subsidy...which was funded by government and donors fifity fifty, but still was not enough to cover losses. (DISCOS have been crying about this issue for years)

b) Also, as the price waterhouse coopers report of 2018 put it...40% of power customers, rich or poor, don't pay their bills. Imagine a business where 40% of your customers don't pay, and then you are selling at a loss again. (And many of these non-payees have prepaid meters..which have been bypassed, and whenever DISCO workers come in to stop them, some of the bypassers use physical violence to attack the disco workers)

c) Because of low funding, the TCN...the company that controlls our transmission, does not make enough to pay for upgrades...so we end up using a poor trnasmission system with losses of 2000MW daily.


The Mallam in charge has allowed increases in tarrifs...to somewhere around N50-51 per kwh. It is not enough to allow a profit to be made, but it does reduce governemt dependence on subsidies and loans to cover the losses.

The main solution really is for the government to allow DISCOS charge whatever price they want for power....which means high prices...but enough money for discos to pay gencos, and pay government taxes (most DOSCOS have paid zero in taxes since 2013 because they don't make enough cash)..more investment, and eventually more power, and falling electricirty tarrif cost.

Someone asked why they couldn't schedule the power outages as they used to do in the past. Inform people when you are going to cut the power and when it would be restored so that they can plan.


There was a time long ago that unannounced power cuts did not last long (1 or 2 hours). It was usually announced anytime there was going to be a long power cut or if there was a fault it was also announced on the radio and we would be told when the power would be restored.

DubaiLandLord:
For my area nah since first week of March we dey suffer am. Them deserve the beating.

I believe the Government should make Power supply their top priority.

Unfortunately na the neighboring countries deh enjoy the power supply

UnabashedIPOB:
More reasons to show all the IDIOTS that still have fate in ONE NIGERIA. How can any country that is worth something in this 21st Century still be grappling with lack of electricity?

Because Nigerians are not ready to pay the price for improved power.

We have a functioning GSM sector because when Obasanjo brought it in, he allowed the GSM companies charge whatever they wanted...and their prices were very 'exploitative'. To say nothing of the very poor service (Nigerians started having two lines from two GSM companies because calls from MTN to econet (now Airtel) in those days were next to impossible. Don't get me started on calls from GSM to NITEL lines then...).

We paid their price, and we got...improved service, and a vast IT infrastructure that was built with zero government money.

As for power

1.We privatised power, and until last year forced DISCOS to charge tarrifs some N20-30 BELOW the actual cost of production of one kwh of power

2.40% of customers don;t pay...and even having a prepaid meter does not stop power bypassing.

With that kind of setup, privatisation has not worked. MTN and company work because everyone has to pay to use their phone. pOWER....WHEN you can bypass the meter, or refuse to pay, and the bills are below the cost of production, and the money government pays to cover the resultant losses are not enough....you get a broke company with no ability to make things better.

Even if we break up Nigeria...so long as people insist on 'cheap' power...the power problem will continue.

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Neutralobserver:
Because Nigerians are not ready to pay the price for improved power.

We have a functioning GSM sector because when Obasanjo brought it in, he allowed the GSM companies charge whatever they wanted...and their prices were very 'exploitative'. To say nothing of the very poor service (Nigerians started having two lines from two GSM companies because calls from MTN to econet (now Airtel) in those days were next to impossible. Don't get me started on calls from GSM to NITEL lines then...).

We paid their price, and we got...improved service, and a vast IT infrastructure that was built with zero government money.

As for power

1.We privatised power, and until last year forced DISCOS to charge tarrifs some N20-30 BELOW the actual cost of production of one kwh of power

2.40% of customers don;t pay...and even having a prepaid meter does not stop power bypassing.

With that kind of setup, privatisation has not worked. MTN and company work because everyone has to pay to use their phone. pOWER....WHEN you can bypass the meter, or refuse to pay, and the bills are below the cost of production, and the money government pays to cover the resultant losses are not enough....you get a broke company with no ability to make things better.

Even if we break up Nigeria...so long as people insist on 'cheap' power...the power problem will continue.

The issue has to do with lack of leadership and bad governance. The ZOO is not the only country on this planet. If smaller and poorer countries can supply constant power to its citizens, there's ABSOLUTELY no reason why that contraption can not do it. Look at your next door neighbor, Ghana, are you telling me that the citizens would not like cheap power supply as well? Give me a break! Nigeria as a country is DAMNED!

For those fools that are against restructuring, and the insincere ones that are always asking what people mean by restructuring, Nigeria will never make progress without restructuring.
Nigeria's electricity problems will endure for as long as we continue to run the hell hole as a unitary system. Decentralization is the way to go.

[quote author= post=100817927]We can't be having this year in year out since 1960.
Something needs to be done permanently about this power issue.
The Minister of power has been doing above average concerning power (compared to previous years), but they still need to do more.

Btw
We hope our country's 16 Billion Dollars Electricity project money under OBJ and Atiku won't just disappear like that?
This money can give everlasting power to 12 African countries combined.
How we wish it was even just the epileptic power problem that the party of criminals and looters solved for our country in their 16 years of failure.
We would have love them so much.
But for what, na only looting looting, stealing galore.
They even looted money meant to build their party National HQ!!
How we wish!

...and you are 100% right with that also.
And when we talk about the past,
It is not for people like you that have the genuine interest of the nation at heart.
When we read comments from good, honest and patriotic Nigerians like you, we surely respect it a lot.
It is your type that we can easily have a reasonable, responsible and mature conversation with on how to move Nigeria forward, not the ones playing politics of bitterness and hatred that will never make them go forward in life.

SO,
the people we keep reminding of the past are the ones that are pained that their corrupt politicians lost 2 presidential elections and doing everything to bring the country to disrepute, forgetting what the party they would have preferred to be in power did to this nation in 16 wasted years, they are all suffering from collective amnesia.
During the era of their preferred thieving and looting party,
The Excess Crude Account was looted dry.
Foreign reserves drawn down.
Federation Account, emptied.
We made the highest revenue in the history of our nation, But they still borrowed money to pay salaries!!!
And the economy was set on an irreversible path to recession.
And they say; don't talk about it.
Focus on the present and the future only.
How we miss Fela Anikulapo-Kuti. He would have said: "I go shout o, I go shout plenty o."
If we don't focus on the past, we are then liable to make the same mistakes.
"Those who cannot learn from the past mistakes will never move forward in life

So this is why those children of hate, frustrations and perdition are always in pain when they are reminded of the looting failures they supported in their 16 years orecklessness taking our country 100 years back.
You see them wailing and gnashing their teeth to the blatant truth that kils them on a daily basis. [/quote]I just pity you, you have become a person that people despised in this forum by your submissions. You are not facing the reality or pretend not to.

UnabashedIPOB:
The issue has to do with lack of leadership and bad governance. The ZOO is not the only country on this planet. If smaller and poorer countries can supply constant power to its citizens, there's ABSOLUTELY no reason why that contraption can not do it. Look at your next door neighbor, Ghana, are you telling me that the citizens would not like cheap power supply as well? Give me a break! Nigeria as a country is DAMNED!

It does as well, but at the same time, a situation where you privatise power and then 1) tell them to charge below the cost of production 2) and even then 40% (as high as 50% in some areas ) of the country don't pay for the power they consume...means not enough profit to fix and repair and upgrade things.

I'm not optimistic about the situation changing if we split. The same bad leaders we are groaning about now will come and be part of the ruling elite in the new countries, plus people will still demand for power for cheap...forgetting that power costs a lot of money.

Ghana has a higher tax to gdp ratio compared to Nigeria, (23% to 6%) so government revenue is also higher.

Enough with the shalaye. It takes result to cancel insult - Destalker.

May u all deceitful lots rot in hell

The best prayer you can ever pray


MAY NIGERIA NEVER GET TO ME....

Neutralobserver:
Because Nigerians are not ready to pay the price for improved power.

We have a functioning GSM sector because when Obasanjo brought it in, he allowed the GSM companies charge whatever they wanted...and their prices were very 'exploitative'. To say nothing of the very poor service (Nigerians started having two lines from two GSM companies because calls from MTN to econet (now Airtel) in those days were next to impossible. Don't get me started on calls from GSM to NITEL lines then...).

We paid their price, and we got...improved service, and a vast IT infrastructure that was built with zero government money.

As for power

1.We privatised power, and until last year forced DISCOS to charge tarrifs some N20-30 BELOW the actual cost of production of one kwh of power

2.40% of customers don;t pay...and even having a prepaid meter does not stop power bypassing.

With that kind of setup, privatisation has not worked. MTN and company work because everyone has to pay to use their phone. pOWER....WHEN you can bypass the meter, or refuse to pay, and the bills are below the cost of production, and the money government pays to cover the resultant losses are not enough....you get a broke company with no ability to make things better.

Even if we break up Nigeria...so long as people insist on 'cheap' power...the power problem will continue.

We are gradually, very gradually getting there, but it's going to be difficult. I thought about this for a long time.


One of the reasons that the changes in the telecoms sector from 1989 to 2001 worked is because people had choices. In 1989 Nitel introduced IDD into Victoria Island and then increased the tariff. One of my uncles had to complain to another of my relatives that worked at Nitel that he didn't want the service, he didn't need the service, so why should he have to pay for it? Ditto when the exchanges went digital in 1991.

When mobile phones were introduced in 1993 they were incredibly expensive to own and maintain, but the general public did not complain because they had their landlines. The reason that people bore the expensive tariffs of the GSM companies is because they had alternatives. There was Nitel landline and PTOs like Multilink, Intercellular and Mobitel.

The problem with power is that it's not everybody that can pay higher tariffs, yet people need power. That's where the willing buyer, willing seller model comes in. Places like Mogodo Estate have reached an agreement with their disco that they would get 24 hours power, but they would pay a cost reflective tariff. Gradually other estates will come on board and hopefully the discos will get enough money to pay off their debts and upgrade their equipment.

However, some people are already complaining about the willing buyer willing seller model because they say it takes power away from the poor.

Nigerian minister for power, Sale Mamman apologizes for power outage----tells you everything that is wrong with president Buhari administration.

They keep awarding contracts to organizations that have no expertise in electricity.

This raises one question: Had these companies
been black owned companies, Nigerian government would have terminated the contracts right away.

Therefore, I want to be a white man so that I
can get contracts from Nigerian government, take contracts money, and not perform the contracts obligations , then get away with it.

And yes, Nigerian government loves anything foreign and hates locals.

Pathetic!

That's why I like ph. We no dey pay for wetin we no use. If u as a NEPA man bring bill,OYO is your case and u no go fit cut the light sha,not even to disconnect it from the office if not area boys go run una better street...
8-power plant going down at the same time? Oga minister u sef fear God na

Neutralobserver:
It does as well, but at the same time, a situation where you privatise power and then 1) tell them to charge below the cost of production 2) and even then 40% (as high as 50% in some areas ) of the country don't pay for the power they consume...means not enough profit to fix and repair and upgrade things.

I'm not optimistic about the situation changing if we split. The same bad leaders we are groaning about now will come and be part of the ruling elite in the new countries, plus people will still demand for power for cheap...forgetting that power costs a lot of money.

Ghana has a higher tax to gdp ratio compared to Nigeria, (23% to 6%) so government revenue is also higher.

The difference between Ghana and Nigeria as it relates to tax collection is that the taxes collected in Ghana would be used to actually do the work that it was meant for. But for the ZOO, taxes collected would be stolen and nothing would be done. Ask yourself, has any person in leadership position that has embezzled public funds since the inception of the contraption ever been held to account? The answer is NO! So, how do you think the system would work when people believe that they are above the law? So, the ZOO system is built to fail. Blaming lack of payment by the users is nothing but EXCUSES. Nigeria generates more revenue than Ghana would ever dream of but the only difference is that Ghana puts the money to use unlike Nigeria. Go and check the number of your past and present so called leaders and the amount of Billions of $$ that they have STOLEN from the public treasury. You know what? the problem is that NIGERIAN LEADERS are nothing but THIEVES!

[quote author= post=100817927]We can't be having this year in year out since 1960.
Something needs to be done permanently about this power issue.
The Minister of power has been doing above average concerning power (compared to previous years), but they still need to do more.

Btw
We hope our country's 16 Billion Dollars Electricity project money under OBJ and Atiku won't just disappear like that?
This money can give everlasting power to 12 African countries combined.
How we wish it was even just the epileptic power problem that the party of criminals and looters solved for our country in their 16 years of failure.
We would have love them so much.
But for what, na only looting looting, stealing galore.
They even looted money meant to build their party National HQ!!
How we wish!

...and you are 100% right with that also.
And when we talk about the past,
It is not for people like you that have the genuine interest of the nation at heart.
When we read comments from good, honest and patriotic Nigerians like you, we surely respect it a lot.
It is your type that we can easily have a reasonable, responsible and mature conversation with on how to move Nigeria forward, not the ones playing politics of bitterness and hatred that will never make them go forward in life.

SO,
the people we keep reminding of the past are the ones that are pained that their corrupt politicians lost 2 presidential elections and doing everything to bring the country to disrepute, forgetting what the party they would have preferred to be in power did to this nation in 16 wasted years, they are all suffering from collective amnesia.
During the era of their preferred thieving and looting party,
The Excess Crude Account was looted dry.
Foreign reserves drawn down.
Federation Account, emptied.
We made the highest revenue in the history of our nation, But they still borrowed money to pay salaries!!!
And the economy was set on an irreversible path to recession.
And they say; don't talk about it.
Focus on the present and the future only.
How we miss Fela Anikulapo-Kuti. He would have said: "I go shout o, I go shout plenty o."
If we don't focus on the past, we are then liable to make the same mistakes.
"Those who cannot learn from the past mistakes will never move forward in life

So this is why those children of hate, frustrations and perdition are always in pain when they are reminded of the looting failures they supported in their 16 years of recklessness taking our country 100 years back.
You see them wailing and gnashing their teeth to the blatant truth that kils them on a daily basis. [/quote]People like u are the main problem of this country. We voted ur dullard president to correct all these effects not to apportion blame. With the revenue he has been receiving for almost 7 years what has he done about the problems he promised to solve. It's embezzlement here and there. You better keep quiet and focus on ur life rather than continue this way. You are totally out of point.

UnabashedIPOB:
The difference between Ghana and Nigeria as it relates to tax collection is that the taxes collected in Ghana would be used to actually do the work that it was meant for. But for the ZOO, taxes collected would be stolen and nothing would be done. Ask yourself, has any person in leadership position that has embezzled public funds since the inception of the contraption ever been held to account? The answer is NO! So, how do you think the system would work when people believe that they are above the law? So, the ZOO system is built to fail. Blaming lack of payment by the users is nothing but EXCUSES. Nigeria generates more revenue than Ghana would ever dream of but the only difference is that Ghana puts the money to use unlike Nigeria. Go and check the number of your past and present so called leaders and the amount of Billions of $$ that they have STOLEN from the public treasury. You know what? the problem is that NIGERIAN LEADERS are nothing but THIEVES!

The problem I have with your idea is 'what makes you think that

1.In the new countries , people will automatically become honest, and stop being corrupt

2, Taxation level will increase and all the taxes would be spent judiciously?

If we cannot change ourselves now, we won't change under Biafra, OODUA, or Arewa, or whatever country. Nigerians have to accept that corruption is our problem, not a problem for some great savior to come from the sky and save us, or for 'the leadership' (which is how we got two terms of Buhari and APC...with plenny regrets..and also why EFCC finds it problematic to fight corurption).

Even then, the tax revenue is too low to do much of anything....plus we have this idea that the money we earn from selling oil (and in the past agriculture, minerals, etc) is enough...if we share it equitably. That's not how economies run.

This is called "NEPA Bill Certificate"

Nigeria and all her agencies are being run by NEPA Bill Certificate holders

How long will you continue to express regrets??

Neutralobserver:
The problem I have with your idea is 'what makes you think that

1.In the new countries , people will automatically become honest, and stop being corrupt

2, Taxation level will increase and all the taxes would be spent judiciously?

If we cannot change ourselves now, we won't change under Biafra, OODUA, or Arewa, or whatever country. Nigerians have to accept that corruption is our problem, not a problem for some great savior to come from the sky and save us, or for 'the leadership' (which is how we got two terms of Buhari and APC...with plenny regrets..and also why EFCC finds it problematic to fight corurption).

Even then, the tax revenue is too low to do much of anything....plus we have this idea that the money we earn from selling oil (and in the past agriculture, minerals, etc) is enough...if we share it equitably. That's not how economies run.

I read your point but you still have made no effort to answer a question that I put to you earlier. If you had read my statements and understood what I said, then you should not have asked the two questions above. First, Nigeria is built on a faulty foundation, hence nothing works and would EVER work. To argue that not enough revenue is generated is simply a failed attempt to defend an indefensible. How can a country where there's no rule of law and accountability for looting -if you're part of the government- survive? There's a saying, 'If your regular pay check is not enough to sustain you, even your overtime pay would make no difference either." No amount of money that's generated would ever cure the ills of the ZOO. The zoo generates more revenue than at least 10 countries in Africa combined but its leaders have STOLEN more money than the budget of at least 5 EUROPEAN COUNTRIES combined. Look at your legislators...they are about the highest paid lawmakers in the world including the US and yet you wrongly claim that the country does not generate enough revenue. Your reasoning and line of argument is pure hogwash! So, if you're honest and want to engage in an intelligent discourse, I suggest you come up with a better argument rather than continue along this line.