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Zoe99:
Bros,this lady just loves to argue.She won't reason with you.

The truth of God ought to speak for itself where those who believe in Him are concerned. Unfortunately, many who claim to believe in Him do not accept and obey His teachings and that is where the problem comes from.

Jesus Christ commands that His followers deny self, take up their cross in order to follow Him. Anyone who enters into public service is expected to devotes his/her life to carrying the crosses of the people .I.e. bearing responsibility for their well-being, against the commandment of Jesus Christ. So?

The same Jesus Christ commanded His disciples against having for themselves to masters, making it obvious you cannot serve God and serve the will of men or even the people as is expected of those who enter into world politics.

The same Jesus Christ commanded that His disciples to love their enemies and pray for them meaning anyone who belongs to Him but chooses to occupy a seat of power cannot do to His enemies as the world would expect, or compete with said enemies in the way the world does. Politics does not allow for such behavior.

Now the same Jesus Christ openly declares to His followers that indeed they are barred from wielding power in the way as the gentiles do. In gentile politics power is the name of the game and so politicians are expected to gather for themselves power which they flaunt in order to get their way in any decision.

When you put all of this together, and are able to get past your personal biases, how can you not see that indeed what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 20 vs 20-28, in fact goes along with His entire message of Truth.?

Myer:
Do you realise that this sane government you call govt of Satan was established on the Laws of Moses and God's appointment of David as king?

Now it's obvious in the old testament God selected Kings.
Its also obvious that Jesus could not be king because he knew his purpose was to die for the world.

His apostles could not be kings because they were seen as outcasts.
Even as noble as Paul was, he could only guide the Roman Kings for a while. He was not made a king.

But now that Christians are no longer seen as outcasts, obviously they should be able to help establish God's kingdom in Nigeria as it is in heaven according to the Lord's prayer.

Unless of course you believe even the Lord's prayer is old testament and outdated.

I am afraid it is true that God never intended for men to rule over men.

God declared Himself God (King) over Israel by way of His Old Covenant, appointing instead judges to oversee the direct problems the people had. However, the people demanded that God appoint for them human kings and God eventually obliged them and we all know how the story goes.

Then God declared that He would establish for Himself an everlasting Kingdom where He would rule forever over His people. He spoke of this Kingdom to come through His prophets - a kingdom that will have one and only one ruler..He.

Kobojunkie:
Let's try to visit reality a lot more here. Where are the genuine Christian's in Nigerian or world politics?
Where are those who are able to serve two masters and still remain children of God, as you claim?
Where are these gods who are able to both serve the will of God and men at the same time ?
What are there names?

I don't understand you oga,so should christains leave politics for unbelievers to decide their fate and what makes you think you can be in politics and serve God well,if that is your believe then so be it.

Anakazo22:
I don't understand you oga,so should christains leave politics for unbelievers to decide their fate and what makes you think you can be in politics and serve God well,if that is your believe then so be it.

Christians may live in this world but they are not of this world but of the Kingdom of God and in the Kingdom of God, God is the one and only King, is that not so?

And as subjects of the Kingdom of God, living in this world, we are called to serve only the Will of God, and not the will of men or people, as is required of those who enter into world politics. God declares that you cannot serve two masters... not even when one is God Himself and the other the will of the people you rule over.

Politicians, either elected or imposed are expected to serve the will of the people, or bear responsibility for the welfare of the people, so how can such a one whose master is the people be said to also be of God. Did God lie when He declared that you cannot serve two Masters in His Kingdom?

Your "fate" as a follower of Jesus Christ is not in the hands of men but in the hands of God Himself. So the politics of the world should not matter to you because no matter what the decisions of men,God has ultimate say as far as what will be your "fate". That is what Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, taught His followers, is it not?

Kobojunkie:
The truth of God ought to speak for itself where those who believe in Him are concerned. Unfortunately, many who claim to believe in Him do not accept and obey His teachings and that is where the problem comes from.

Jesus Christ commands that His followers deny self, take up their cross in order to follow Him. Anyone who enters into public service is expected to devotes his/her life to carrying the crosses of the people .I.e. bearing responsibility for their well-being, against the commandment of Jesus Christ. So?

The same Jesus Christ commanded His disciples against having for themselves to masters, making it obvious you cannot serve God and serve the will of men or even the people as is expected of those who enter into world politics.

The same Jesus Christ commanded that His disciples to love their enemies and pray for them meaning anyone who belongs to Him but chooses to occupy a seat of power cannot do to His enemies as the world would expect, or compete with said enemies in the way the world does. Politics does not allow for such behavior.

Now the same Jesus Christ openly declares to His followers that indeed they are barred from wielding power in the way as the gentiles do. In gentile politics power is the name of the game and so politicians are expected to gather for themselves power which they flaunt in order to get their way in any decision.

When you put all of this together, and are able to get past your personal biases, how can you not see that indeed what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 20 vs 20-28, in fact goes along with His entire message of Truth.?

Ma'am,I always see your comments on threads and I can't help but how wonder how you come to your conclusions, seriously.The way you interpret the scriptures just marvels me—and not in a good way.I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.Btw,are you a JW?I would like to know what I'm dealing with here.

Zoe99:
Ma'am,I always see your comments on threads and I can't help but how wonder how you come to your conclusions, seriously.The way you interpret the scriptures just marvels me—and not in a good way.I'm sure there are others who feel the same way.Btw,are you a JW?I would like to know what I'm dealing with here.

How I come to my conclusions is simple, I read the Gospels as I would any other book out there, keeping my personal biases and "special interpretations" out of it. All that is needed to understand what is written therein is basic language comprehension skills and ability to think critically.

I understand the human need to label that which one does not understand but if instead you would take your focus off my person long enough to read my response, you would maybe realize that you may have had Jesus wrong all this while since everything I stated is according to what Jesus Christ Himself taught.

I am just a human being who happens to accept and trust in the teachings of Jesus Christ, exactly what Jesus Christ said to do..nothing more.

Kobojunkie:
How I come to my conclusions is simple, I read the Gospels as I would any other book out there, keeping my personal biases and "special interpretations" out of it. All that is needed to understand what is written therein is basic language comprehension skills and ability to think critically.

I understand the human need to label that which one does not understand but if instead you would take your focus off my person long enough to read my response, you would maybe realize that you may have had Jesus wrong all this while since everything I stated is according to what Jesus Christ Himself taught.

I am just a human being who happens to accept and trust in the teachings of Jesus Christ, exactly what Jesus Christ said to do..nothing more.

Lol.You deliberately skipped the JW question.That confirms that you're one.Do and believe whatever suits you.Peace!!!

Zoe99:
Lol.You deliberately skipped the JW question.That confirms that you're one.Do and believe whatever suits you.Peace!!!

I can really believe whatever suits me yet your comment sounded a lot like you have some personal problem with me, my belief and freedom to argue it openly and strongly?

I made not J.W. I am just a human being who happens to take Jesus Christ and His teachings, the New Covenant contract I signed with God, very seriously. Is that a lot better for you?

if you wan catch monkey, you behave like monkey, that's what Osinbajo does.

olowofariwo:
if you wan catch monkey, you behave like monkey, that's what Osinbajo does.

Are those the acts "genuine Christians" or mere men? does?

saxokay:
the Bible says when the righteous rule people rejoice
but when the wicked rule people morn

but unfortunately some believer are ignorant and lazy they don't take time to study the word of God anymore

if you tell me believer should not join politics the how do you want the righteous to rule?brethren wake up from ur slumber and ask the holy spirit to move you to the deeper knowledge of the bible

As Christians, the righteous among us as those who accept and obey all of the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ. So at the very least this implies is that :
1. The righteous cannot serve two masters - they serve only the Will of God and God alone
2. the righteous deny themselves and carry their own cross( not the cross of others)
3. The righteous cannot inflict harm but instead show love even to their enemies/competition, going above and beyond to please them in all wise.
4. The righteous must leave all the decision making to God as they are led by the Spirit of God day and night.

The list goes on but I believe the above should suffice since we just need a picture of what constitutes righteousness here..

Now contrast this with the reality of politics and you find that unlike the righteous, those in public service are called to

1. Serve the will of the people which is against God's commandments
2. Bear responsibility for the welfare and care of their constituents, which is also against God's commandment
3. Compete and defeat all those in the way of or who oppose their mandate and or will in the fight for power...again..against God's very commandment
4. Honor the decisions and choices of the people, very very much against God's commandment

So , you tell us, how many genuine Christians do you really believe you know of in politics?

Topchamber05:
After reading some of comments here, I could see that those supporting Christians to go into politics are quoting from the book of old testaments. But with my little knowledge about bible, I think Christianity mean living a Christ like. And the disciples were first called Christians in antioch - Act 11vs26. So my submission, you can not make reference to old testament when talking about Christianity because those in the old testaments live under the law and were referred to as men/people of God. So, to live a Christ like, it will be so difficult to be a Christian politician in Nigeria. So in this context, I haven't seen, I repeat, I haven't seen any politicians who I can called a Christian. You can be a church goer politicians and not be a Christian. Even those we have seen to be one, several times, we've heard them told lies. Though they will call it diplomatic lies. But lie is lie.
PEACE.

Those are the kind many here confuse as genuine Christians.

iyasco90:
Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven

This is Jesus speaking

So nothing stops a true believer of Jesus from actively involved in politics and governance, just let your light shines, be different

John 1:5 And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not

A Christian have every right to be in politics

The Light you are meant to let shine is Jesus Christ and since Jesus Christ avoided the politics of His time, why would you expect anything political to come from letting that light shine in you?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid it is true that God never intended for men to rule over men.

God declared Himself God (King) over Israel by way of His Old Covenant, appointing instead judges to oversee the direct problems the people had. However, the people demanded that God appoint for them human kings and God eventually obliged them and we all know how the story goes.

Then God declared that He would establish for Himself an everlasting Kingdom where He would rule forever over His people. He spoke of this Kingdom to come through His prophets - a kingdom that will have one and only one ruler..He.

We do not know what God intends or not.
We only know what he declares.
Some have claimed that God never intended to create woman until he observed man was lonely.
Some claim God never intended for man to eat of the tree of good and evil but why did he plant it in the garden?
There are many examples if you have to debate the intentions of God along side his declarations.

Yes it was the israelites that demanded for a king.
But did the israelites fair any better during the era of judges than during the era of Kings?

Were they not more blessed during the reign of Solomon and a few other Kings that honored God than they ever experienced during the era of judges?

Yes God spoke of kingdom. But how would they understand the heavenly kingdom if God did not teach them through the earthly kingdom?

Kobojunkie:
Christians may live in this world but they are not of this world but of the Kingdom of God and in the Kingdom of God, God is the one and only King, is that not so?

And as subjects of the Kingdom of God, living in this world, we are called to serve only the Will of God, and not the will of men or people, as is required of those who enter into world politics. God declares that you cannot serve two masters... not even when one is God Himself and the other the will of the people you rule over.

Politicians, either elected or imposed are expected to serve the will of the people, or bear responsibility for the welfare of the people, so how can such a one whose master is the people be said to also be of God. Did God lie when He declared that you cannot serve two Masters in His Kingdom?

Your "fate" as a follower of Jesus Christ is not in the hands of men but in the hands of God Himself. So the politics of the world should not matter to you because no matter what the decisions of men,God has ultimate say as far as what will be your "fate". That is what Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, taught His followers, is it not?

Haha, you are too funny and one sided thats your problem,I understand what you are saying but you are very wrong,so why are christains working for government agencies and organization,they should just quit since you don't want them to have anything to do with the government, you really don't understand Jesus teachings and have a shallow understanding about kingdom advancement, christains should fold their hands and allow Muslims to turn this country into Sharia before you will know that christains should be actively involved in politics.

Anakazo22:
Haha, you are too funny and one sided thats your problem,I understand what you are saying but you are very wrong,so why are christains working for government agencies and organization,they should just quit since you don't want them to have anything to do with the government, you really don't understand Jesus teachings and have a shallow understanding about kingdom advancement, christains should fold their hands and allow Muslims to turn this country into Sharia before you will know that christains should be actively involved in politics.

Wait a second.... You claim that I am one-sided in this, why is that? What do you mean when you say that?

Why are Christians working for Government agencies and organizations? I don't understand the reasoning behind your question here.

How do I not understand Jesus Christ's teaching? What do you mean by "Kingdom advancement" - I ask because Jesus Christ did not include anything that remotely resembles such in His teachings.

Christians should folnd hands... wait a minute! You think putting your Trust in God implies folding of one's hands ?

Myer:
We do not know what God intends or not.
We only know what he declares.
Some have claimed that God never intended to create woman until he observed man was lonely.
Some claim God never intended for man to eat of the tree of good and evil but why did he plant it in the garden?
There are many examples if you have to debate the intentions of God along side his declarations.

OK

Myer:
Yes it was the israelites that demanded for a king.
But did the israelites fair any better during the era of judges than during the era of Kings?

I don't know since we are not given a detailed rundown on how well they were or were not doing at that time. They had troubles here and there but God always seemed to show up for them, so?

Myer:
Were they not more blessed during the reign of Solomon and a few other Kings that honored God than they ever experienced during the era of judges?

As I said, no way to accurately tell these things since the stories were not necessarily written from the point of view of the people in most of the stories told.

Myer:
Yes God spoke of kingdom. But how would they understand the heavenly kingdom if God did not teach them through the earthly kingdom?

I understand the Heavenly Kingdom because Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, who taught them, also taught me.

Kobojunkie:
Imagine a human being with all faculties correctly bolted in place bringing up the name Obasanjo here.

He is now heading for NOLLYWOOD TO BRING HONOUR INTO THAT MONEY SPINNING INDUSTRY. DID YOU SEE THE LATEST FASHION DISPLAYED BY HIM? HE EVEN CARRIES A SHOPPING BAG TO DISPLAY HIS STYLE. OBJ IS AN ALL ROUNDER.

The YORUBAS are somehow peculiar in this regard.

AWOLOWO WAS A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND A GOOD POLITICIAN.

OBASANJO IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND AN EXCELLENT POLITICIAN.

Osinbajo IS FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED TWO.

orunto27:
The YORUBAS are somehow peculiar in this regard.

AWOLOWO WAS A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND A GOOD POLITICIAN.

OBASANJO IS A GOOD CHRISTIAN AND AN EXCELLENT POLITICIAN.

Osinbajo IS FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED TWO.

That you still hold on to traditional beliefs and ideas speaks volumes of your idea of Christianity. I guess you did not hear that in the Kingdom of God. There are no such things as tribes, race, color, age, not even MoGs or WoGs etc. Only Children of God exist in there and Jesus Christ is there one and only Master/Teacher.

Kobojunkiee:
That you still hold on to traditional beliefs and ideas speaks volumes of your idea of Christianity. I guess you did not hear that in the Kingdom of God. There are no such things as tribes, race, color, age, not even MoGs or WoGs etc. Only Children of God exist in there and Jesus Christ is there one and only Master/Teacher.

God scattered them at THE TOWER OF BABEL THUS CREATING TRIBES, RACES, COLORS ETCETERA ETCETERA.

orunto27:
God scattered them at THE TOWER OF BABEL THUS CREATING TRIBES, RACES, COLORS ETCETERA ETCETERA.

Your tribes however are of this world, and not of the Kingdom of God.

Kobojunkiee:
Your tribes however are of this world, and not of the Kingdom of God.

Yes. You are right. We die on Earth and live eternally in Heaven.

Looking more deeply, there are still TWO TRIBES HEAVEN AND EARTH; GOOD AND BAD; LIGHT AND DARKNESS; LIFE AND DEATH ETCETERA ETCETERA. TWOSOMES GOD CREATED VARIETIES.

orunto27:
Yes. You are right. We die on Earth and live eternally in Heaven.

Looking more deeply, there are still TWO TRIBES HEAVEN AND EARTH; GOOD AND BAD; LIGHT AND DARKNESS; LIFE AND DEATH ETCETERA ETCETERA. TWOSOMES GOD CREATED VARIETIES.

Well, there are 2 destinations at the end... Heaven and Hell..

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid the so called gospel of Thomas is lacking in a lot of ways that even I would not go as far as to quote from it.

the scholars who deem it a more credible source are i guess not educated as you

kkins25:

the scholars who deem it a more credible source are i guess not educated as you

A credible source for what? Have you ever in fact read it yourself or do you only pick verses from it when it suits you?

Kobojunkiee:
A credible source for what? Have you ever in fact read it yourself or do you only pick verses from it when it suits you?

something I listen to everyday basically...

Are you not aware that the gospel of Thomas predates the four gospels in the book you profess to be Gods word?

kkins25:
something I listen to everyday basically...

Are you not aware that the gospel of Thomas predates the four gospels in the book you profess to be Gods word?

Well, it may predate some of the books/letters included in the New testament, the gospel of Thomas is still just a collection of clippings really... supposed to be sayings of Jesus Christ, some of which are found in the other Gospels. while others are not.

Kobojunkiee:
Well, it may predate some of the books/letters included in the New testament, the gospel of Thomas is still just a collection of clippings really... supposed to be sayings of Jesus Christ, some of which are found in the other Gospels. while others are not.

Very funny sir, this is just willfull ignorance. How can the 20 year old story of something be more authentic than 90 year old story of the same thing. Knowing that the oral tradition of passing down info has been proven to deteriorate over time. Haba!!

kkins25:
Very funny sir, this is just willfull ignorance. How can the 20 year old story of something be more authentic than 90 year old story of the same thing. Knowing that the oral tradition of passing down info has been proven to deteriorate over time. Haba!!

This isn't about your oral traditions ... if you believe in God, you would know that His Word, not the accounts of men, is Spirit... alive!

And I am not trying to scare you off, or feed you the spiritual bullsheet that pastors and preachers are prone to. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and He is living - time matters not where He is concerned as He is eternal.

philanthropic:
In the Bible, we saw God's people who were in the government. We have countries whose political system is not as complex as that of Nigeria. Now, can a Genuine Christian be a politician in Nigeria? with this corruption is it possible, and how?

It's absolutely possible.
Just because you see people who are perceived to be Christian in politics not living by the standards of the Scripture does not make it a no.

God's absolute standard is that we make Christ Jesus our standard.
Those who truly fear God will not compromise knowing fully well the implications of it.
Scripture says it's a "fearful thing to fall into the hands of God".

There's no place in Scripture that exempts true christians and believers from venturing into full time politics.

Read your Bible and seek the knowledge you desire.
Shalom.