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bobestman:
I didn't say it is about a particular parable. The Messiah thought on many subjects and all his teachings is about righteous living. My point is that He never compelled anyone to join a certain group to know the creator. He teaches ppl to repent, obey the Creator, help the poor, live in peace with your fellow men, do good, help the widow, keep the commands which is rooted on Love etc and at the end believe in him and you will never go wrong.

I see.

bobestman:
This was how things were in the begining. Man who already knew what is good and evil was given Freewill. If He choose to do good, he inherits eternal life - became deathless. If He does bad, he will likewise face the consequences.

Doesn't the fact that God Himself declared of His Covenant through Jesus Christ, that He would install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him, causing them to obey His commands, pull the brakes on the free-will debate, I mean as far as those who are born-again followers, that is?

bobestman:
Unfortunately after the Messiah was murdered, some started creating religions which they established by their own traditions and doctrines with a little touch of what the Messiah taught ppl and claim it's the true way. Some say they are Christians, Muslims, Jews etc without them you will go to hell.

While I don't subscribe to any groups, I ask however if you are indeed aware that Jesus Christ did in fact teach of a Hell - the Kingdom of God consists of two kingdoms: Heaven and Hell.

bobestman:
Some say give your life to Jesus, and I asked where did the Messiah told ppl to give their lives to him? He only said believe in me. If you ask them have they seen Jesus? They will say NO. Those who claim to have seen him will say He has a blue eyes, long hair and light skin as they show them in Hollywood and other bla bla bla.

Lol

bobestman:
The Messiah created no religion. He taught people to do good, fear the Creator and live a righteous life. Well, they will understand at the right time.

I agree that the Messiah has nothing to do with religion since what He brought was a contract/agreement between God and individual man, not groups.

To answer the question, it's a YES
Deutronomy 6:25
it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

They kept the law and it was counted as righteousness to them. Righteousness is by keeping the laws. The law is spiritual

Kobojunkiee:
I see.
Doesn't the fact that God Himself declared of His Covenant through Jesus Christ, that He would install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him, causing them to obey His commands, pull the brakes on the free-will debate, I mean as far as those who are born-again followers, that is?
While I don't subscribe to any groups, I ask however if you are indeed aware that Jesus Christ did in fact teach of a Hell - the Kingdom of God consists of two kingdoms: Heaven and Hell.
Lol
I agree that the Messiah has nothing to do with religion since what He brought was a contract/agreement between God and individual man, not groups.

Exactly. We are on the same lane. This is what I want many to know here. When you begin to connect with the man in you, he will reveal a lot to you...even things your ancestors don't know and many that are not even in the book. Goodnite

bobestman:
To answer the question, it's a YES
Deutronomy 6:25
it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

They kept the law and it was counted as righteousness to them. Righteousness is by keeping the laws. The law is spiritual

The word of the Sovereign God can never get old. There is nothing like old testament. The Messiah came to make good, justify, clarify or make simple the law. He never came to destroy it. Many things in the new testament that make void the laws were added by wicked Roman Priests who hate the Hebrews. Many of you won't understand this untill your inner eyes is open.

I do not disagree that the keeping of the Law is essential to attaining Righteousness where God is concerned but what concerns me is the choice of the Law you follow here.

In the same book of Deuteronomy(Deuteronomy 30) though, we are made to realize that the Old Covenant Law of Moses was never a Covenant between God and all Nations but instead an agreement between God and those of the blood of Jacob. God excluded the gentile nations from the agreement He made with the people of Israel, and there is no record of God ever changing His and on those who could partake of that Covenant. So of what good is it to any gentile to "attach" himself toast Covenant without God permitting such?


Jesus Christ did not come to simplify the Old Covenant. not at all. He instead came as a new agreement, separate from the Old Covenant agreement and with a promise for a new Kingdom as well. What Jesus Christ offered was a New Covenant, complete with it's own set of blessings, curses, laws/commandments, seals, rituals, promises, etc.-and agreement God promised through God through His prophets(Jeremiah 31), to the Lost Sheep of Israel (Ezekiel 36) and to bless the Gentile nations with(Genesis 15).
Jesus Christ came for the Jewish sinners and not the righteous among them. And not to deprive them of the promise of the Old Covenant, which was guaranteed only to those who lived righteous and died in righteousness -the only way out of the obligations of the Old covenant without perishing, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Law on their behalf. He lived a righteous life and surrendered to be killed in order to meet that mark on their behalf.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Law requirements , freeing the Jewish sinners who would turn to Him instead from the obligation of the Old Law, transitioning them into the New Law which offered them eternal life from the door, a lighter yoke and an easier burden than the Old.

So now you see why I refer to the Law of Moses as the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, New. Both Covenants are everlasting, meaning they are alive forever, but the one is older and the other newer and greater.

The thing about the New Covenant is that God, in Ezekiel 36, declared that He would install a heart of flesh, a new spirit and even His own Spirit inside of those who belong to Him -accept and obey His commandments - in order to cause them to obey all of His commands,implying righteousness in His new agreement is not simply based on us but driven by His Spirit. What does that say of our "freewill "?

Dtruthspeaker:
I understand, You Could not find any Fault after All, so you are just returning to your former base.

Genesis 15:6 is The Judgment given to Abraham. And the Fact of His Case Giving Rise to This Judgement begun from his FIRST RECORDED Deed/Act/Work, in Genesis 12:1!

your submission has no place in the bible and you obviously lack wisdom hence I saw no need in correcting you since you are proud and self concited, surely you know more than the bible, which of cause is the thought of a fool.

you are confused, you could not find any biblical support for your baseless submission hence the use of superfluous empty words and emojis.

Abraham believed in God and that faith was counted to him for righteousness, no mention of works there, because when it comes to works even Abraham cannot boast.

livingchrist:
your submission has no place in the bible...

Yet, you could not rebut at all, everytime I showed you it's foundation in the Bible. You were just running from all over the field seeking a place to stand but finding none.

Ye did not know that “The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor, (Sinner/Offender/Doer and Sayer of the Wrong).”

livingchrist:
and you obviously lack wisdom hence I saw no need hence I saw no need in correcting you since you are proud and self concited, surely you know more than the bible, which of cause is the thought of a fool.

you are confused, you could not find any biblical support for your baseless submission hence the use of superfluous empty words and emojis.

Now you proclaim you are Liar and ready to ready to Falsely Accuse an Innocent!

Further, we all know that Insults, Lies and Falsehoods are the wages given by Wicked Liars, when the Work of Truth is Accomplished!

For “The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, And HE OVERTHROWETH THE WORDS OF THE TRANSGRESSOR (Sinner/Sayer and Doer of the Wrong).”

Abraham believed in God and that faith was counted to him for righteousness, no mention of works there, because when it comes to works even Abraham cannot boast.[/quote]And now in keeping with being a Liar, you now wish to lay, for the first time, that "Obedience to God" Is No Work and it is not shown or stated in the Bible!

When it was Expressly Written and Stated in James 2:21

“Was not Abraham our father justified BY WORKS (Not One Work oh, BUT WORKS, Several WORKS)?,

when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar, (In the Work of Obedience To God, in the HARDEST WORK for him, who wanted a son but did not have any until now, and now by his own hand, he is supposed to lose the son, the only one he was just given,)?”

How many of you would pass this Exam? Common to lose your car, money or even doctrines on the Commandment of God, you fail to do so!

Thus, being a Liar, you do not live in Christ, you live in Satan, the Father and king of Lies as kingxsamz would have told you!

Dtruthspeaker:
the Father and king of Lies as kingxsamz would have told you!

Lmao, I don dey give this one sleepless nights without even doing anything.
Livng rent free in your head.

kingxsamz:
Lmao, I don dey give this one sleepless nights without even doing anything.
Livng rent free in your head.

reason dey always cause why we dey even remember the animal we don forget!

Dtruthspeaker:
reason dey always cause why we dey even remember the animal we don forget!

Seems like my posts makes you wake up at the wrong side of the bed.
That's why you can't do without quoting me in a convo I have no business with.
Stay pained bro.

kingxsamz:
Seems like my posts makes you wake up at the wrong side of the bed.
That's why you can't do without quoting me in a convo I have no business with.
Stay pained bro.

i jus call you say one of una brodas don miss, run come enter our House make e for hide and since you be police for dis kain mata I say make I call you na make you come carry am go, cos we don troway am comot from we dormot!

Dtruthspeaker:
i jus call you say one of una brodas don miss, run come enter our House make e for hide and since you be police for dis kain mata I say make I call you na make you come carry am go, cos we don troway am comot from we dormot!

Rest! You're trying too hard to pick up an argument with me.
That's your fellow Christian brother, but since you know he's realized the clown that you're, you're looking for something else to hold on to just to make yourself feel comfortable.
You know how I always say you behave childish? This is one of the case. And you always prove me right.
Anyways, you can now go off and masturbate in my mentions as I won't bother to read or reply to your clownery, since you're unable to keep up an argument with someone without bringing others into it. Good day and stay pained.

kingxsamz:
Rest! You're trying too hard to pick up an argument with me.
That's your fellow Christian brother, but since you know he's realized the clown that you're, you're looking for something else to hold on to just to make yourself feel comfortable.
You know how I always say you behave childish? This is one of the case. And you always prove me right.
Anyways, you can now go off and masturbate in my mentions as I won't bother to read or reply to your clownery, since you're unable to keep up an argument with someone without bringing others into it. Good day and stay pained.

You Did not know nor understood earlier why I brought you in, which was why you were just going off like Christmas knock out, kpa, kpa, kpa!

Have you retired from the work of finding "fake Christians" and housing them? Abi the house don full like Corona hospital for Brazil? so tay you don dey give fake diagnosis result?

Kai! Na so your Wound Plenty, so tay E never heal by now?

Maybe next time when I talk e fit be say you go down heal by den!

No Sword like the Sword of The Lord "Piercing and Dividing Evil Spirits Asunder!"

livingchrist:
your submission has no place in the bible and you obviously lack wisdom hence I saw no need in correcting you since you are proud and self concited, surely you know more than the bible, which of cause is the thought of a fool.

you are confused, you could not find any biblical support for your baseless submission hence the use of superfluous empty words and emojis.

Abraham believed in God and that faith was counted to him for righteousness, no mention of works there, because when it comes to works even Abraham cannot boast.

Dtruthdpeaker, another person has noticed too..the list is rising....

Just be humble and learn. You know very very little on spiritual matters...you are just a toddler...

Kobojunkiee:
I see.
Doesn't the fact that God Himself declared of His Covenant through Jesus Christ, that He would install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him, causing them to obey His commands, pull the brakes on the free-will debate, I mean as far as those who are born-again followers, that is?
While I don't subscribe to any groups, I ask however if you are indeed aware that Jesus Christ did in fact teach of a Hell - the Kingdom of God consists of two kingdoms: Heaven and Hell.
Lol
I agree that the Messiah has nothing to do with religion since what He brought was a contract/agreement between God and individual man, not groups.

You do realise that God is not a man or a human being and that the only way to communicate with God is through an oracle. ..and that priest uses parables to deliver their messages from God, and the word of God is actually the words of men with hidden messages. And that it is filled with symbolism and numerology...


And you are only meant to see it with your mind eyes...


Or should i let you wallow in ignorance?

Dtruthspeaker:
No sir, that's not the question, this was the question you clearly asked



Now, I have answered and supplied the "Biblical Backing" so now you have changed the question.

To the question "where is it written that anybody was made righteous by their works?"

I never said anyone was made righteous by their works, No I did not, for I know "the man maketh, the work, and the work can not and does not make the man"

A wicked man can still do a Right work eg An Armed Robber giving to the poor, But it would go to Judgment!

So also A Right Doer can still do A Wrong eg A Pastor/Levite can still commit Adultery, Murder, etc, it would still go to Judgement!

Thus, I do not Pre-Judge anyone most especially as I have not been appointed Judge over their matter neither would I ever Pre-Judge.

However, I can readily and joyfully talk about Decided Cases and Their Judgements thereof, all my life long!

Knowing this is why i clearly said They were Righteous because God, The Righteous Judge, Adjudged them Righteous. (A Decided Case)

Basing and Grounding His Judgement of Righteousness Upon their WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, in Consonance with The Law - "For God shall bring EVERY WORK (Deeds/Acts/Works) into judgment, with every secret thing, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, (Righteous) or whether it be evil (unrighteous)" Ecclesiastes 12:14

And I Personally Allign and Agree with The Judgement God Entered for them for Indeed THEY DID DO THE RIGHT and Their Works/Acts/Deeds was In Deed RIGHT!

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Friend, you are not far from the facts... but the truth is that GOD judged, or rather justified them as righteous only because He clothed them according to His perfect will (Romans 9:15-16), and us (we who are truly His in faith) in His righteousness - not including anything that we did, before or after salvation.

The acts of faith done by His servants / prophets / children are in response to the imputation of the faith and righteousness of GOD... and these are the "deeds" you are referring to that count. That is truly why salvation from sin and death is "not of works, lest anyone should boast." - Ephesians 2:9; but by grace alone! For the unsaved of the world - they, like most, were born into sin, and continue to add sin upon sin until their last day on the earth, then the judgment (Hebrews 9:27)

"I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels." -Isaiah 61:10

"In those days Judah will be saved, And Jerusalem will dwell safely. And this is the name by which she will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." - Jeremiah 33:16, Also (Jeremiah 23:6)

It is this clothing of GOD's righteousness, His spiritually sprinkling water by the His holy word that makes us clean and acceptable in His sight. "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols." - Ezekiel 36:25 (also see Ephesians 5:26)

Our works, are really GOD's works, so only He is rightfully glorified -

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." - Philippians 2:13

"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." - Ephesians 2:10

xproducer:
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Friend, you are not far from the facts... but the truth is that GOD judged, or rather justified them as righteous only because He clothed them according to His perfect will (Romans 9:15-16), and us (we who are truly His in faith) in His righteousness - not including anything that we did, before or after salvation.

Brother, Clothed in His Righteousness means wearing the Clothes of God's Righteousness not what you or any man thinks is Righteousness but What God has Directed to be Right.

Which is why Job said "I put on righteousness as my clothing; justice was my robe and my turban"

Or David said "My son, Forget Not My Law, BUT LET THINE HEART KEEP MY COMMANDMENT, ...bind Them about thy neck, write them upon the table of thine heart"

xproducer:
Our works, are really GOD's works, so only He is rightfully glorified -

Like our trying to get that guy who was not afraid to take up the Name of God as his Monika Jesusngr to understand, "All True Righteousness Exclusively Belong to The Lord" All Glory from the Works of Righteousness are Truly His and His Alone!

sonmvayina:
You do realise that God is not a man or a human being and that the only way to communicate with God is through an oracle. ..and that priest uses parables to deliver their messages from God, and the word of God is actually the words of men with hidden messages. And that it is filled with symbolism and numerology...
And you are only meant to see it with your mind eyes...
Or should i let you wallow in ignorance?

Maybe your deity is contacted only through an human Oracle or man made artifact, but my God treasures a direct connection of His own design/making.

Again, you can keep your priests who speak in parables to you, since my God does not have an issue clearly expressing Himself when He chooses. He is an expert as far as human language is concerned.

God's word to men are filled with symbolism and numerology, suggesting that even that which is plainly stated by God is coded, implying the statement "though shall not kill" or that which states "...love your neighbor as you love your own self" cannot be interpreted literally?
You must be a genius....

You are only meant to see with your mind's eyes, and not that which is directly before you? Yikes!

And here I thought the ones who bastardized the scripture called the "Gospel of Jesus by Barnabas " where the Batty ones.

Kobojunkiee:
Maybe your deity is contacted only through an human Oracle or man made artifact, but my God treasures a direct connection of His own design/making.

Again, you can keep your priests who speak in parables to you, since my God does not have an issue clearly expressing Himself when He chooses. He is an expert as far as human language is concerned.

God's word to men are filled with symbolism and numerology, suggesting that even that which is plainly stated by God is coded, implying the statement "though shall not kill" or that which states "...love your neighbor as you love your own self" cannot be interpreted literally?
You must be a genius....

You are only meant to see with your mind's eyes, and not that which is directly before you? Yikes!

And here I thought the ones who bastardized the scripture called the "Gospel of Jesus by Barnabas " where the Batty ones.

Yea, i will let you wallow in your ignorance...maybe in your next life. This one is already wasted..

sonmvayina:
Yea, i will let you wallow in your ignorance...maybe in your next life. This one is already wasted..

ROFLMAO