Whitecoal711:
Football doesn't end on the big teams,it's the intrigue of smaller teams defeating the so called bigger clubs
If you guys destroy this gladiator of our time, prosperity will not forget you
Give the small clubs cash and see if they won't Excel
Football is the surprise defeats not greed for more money

kiddkash:

its posterity

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Ijeleigbo:


If lower teams participate in UCL, what happens to Europa league?

post=100947537:
What Unending Issue!


Something must be done about this Super League is.
We want no troubles or problems with our darling football please.
It brings us joy all over the world on a daily and weekly basis.
Football is Life mehn!



IMPOSSICANT!!!
It cannot happen this season, maybe in the future, but not now!

AlhajiBitcoin:


What again will private citizens do ?

Many of us own businesses that have lost over 80% revenue.

I feel they are a bit selfish. Okay, what will smaller clubs do when Mancity, Man Utd, Liverpool, and Chelsea exit EPL ?

It means EPL will be dead. Drowning the smaller clubs further into debts. They should exercise patience, nobody planned Covid.

N2B2:
Florentino Perez has bullishly defended the creation of the European Super League, which was announced on Sunday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2021/04/20/607e0c7e268e3e5a2a8b45db.html

Whitecoal711:

Typo

MOTOPARK:
how you take know Sai nah match fixing

ebuka10box:
this is the reason I gotta stop betting, dem dey use my money for business...see how they fixed arsenal Fulham game

kiddkash:

its not a typo. you might have known it, but you didn't present it well.
it was a mistake. own it


not excuses

Whitecoal711:

Lol
Your type like argument
Use am go bank go collect money
See how aggressive you are

kiddkash:

hahaha don't take it personal. just trying to have expensive fun this morning

SoBright101:
Many people don't understand what these big clubs are going through. Their business has been affected by Covid, players refused pay cut, no fans on stadium plus UEFA greediness.

UEFA and clubs involved should sit on round table.

SoBright101:
Many people don't understand what these big clubs are going through. Their business has been affected by Covid, players refused pay cut, no fans on stadium plus UEFA greediness.

UEFA and clubs involved should sit on round table.

SoBright101:
Many people don't understand what these big clubs are going through. Their business has been affected by Covid, players refused pay cut, no fans on stadium plus UEFA greediness.

UEFA and clubs involved should sit on round table.

Whitecoal711:
Football doesn't end on the big teams,it's the intrigue of smaller teams defeating the so called bigger clubs
If you guys destroy this gladiator of our time, prosperity will not forget you
Give the small clubs cash and see if they won't Excel
Football is the surprise defeats not greed for more money

larryjonze:



The most feasible way out is pay cut to those players already i strongly believe they are been over paid, if all club management unite to enforce a pay cut nothing those player can do.
whatever covid did to FIFA will still happen with super league because we are talking pandemic here ... to save time, energy and resources the most viable option is a temporary pay cut.

sterlingD:


Correct me if l am wrong.The problem started when big money entered European football.l know it's all about the money. There was no regulation to curtail the excessive big money spending in the beginning and if there was it was not effective until it became too late that is financial fair play.

The ESL idea had been floated a while back long before COVID-19 and was vehemently rejected.Now they have come with it with full force and are going ahead with it.What is left to be seen is how UEFA and FIFA will eventually handle it.Will they go ahead with their threats and sanctions?

BabaIbo:
Change is inevitable.

Empty stadiums etc have forced these clubs into a lot of debts.
Don't forget they have players they pay large sum of money, if there are no fans to generate money from, where will they get funds to pay the players from? Owners personal money?

They complained that UEFA is paying them little amount compared to what they generate from the competition.

Reason it this way.

A club signs a big name player with many fans, the player follows the club to play in a competition which his fans will probably watch because their fave is playing in the competition.
UEFA generate money through views, TV rights etc, while the club don't because the stadium is empty, the club will be the one to pay the player, foot the transportation, lodging and other bills, pay the domestic staffs, etc

At the end UEFA pays they little amount that can't even pay off the players 1 month or 2 months salary.

UEFA is catching out where they didn't work.

UEFA should either share do one of these...
1. After removing 10 to 20 percent of the total money generated from the competition and also removing the prized money for each stage.
They should share the remaining money among all the participating clubs to help them fight their growing expenses.

2. Allow them have their own way(ESL).

You can't be catching out at the expense of these clubs and their stadiums are empty, thereby making it difficult for them to run the clubs.

Athemisia:

Give the small teams cash?? shey you get money ni?? go and give them cash... awon cash giver..

these clubs owners are protecting their own investment... UEFA is only angry because of their own financial interest in these big clubs too...

rockyh:
can you compare the financial implication of barcelona to real zaragoza as regards players salaries.leo Messi's salary is enough to clear up half the whole team players own

alfredilly:


Bro, that covid was a lame excuse. The plan has been on before the pandemic. I in 2018 /19 season when a schedule was fix for it to kickstart.

BabaIbo:


First of all, the clubs are not asking for their stadiums to be opened.
So, that settles your opening of stadium question.

Secondly, what they are requesting for is a form of palliative to help them run their business smoothly. At least, you know governments all over gave palliative(bailout) to their citizens and businesses to help them cope with covid effect.

Thirdly, most players refused to cut their pay. The recent one is Sergio Ramos, he even threaten to leave rather than cut his pay. Do you know how much Messi takes yearly?
Over there,they are bound to respect a contract until it runs out if the other party(that is the player refuse their offer of pay cut).
Kindly tell me how they will do that please. A club with monthly spending(running cost/expenses) of 50 million dollars is generating 5 million dollars, abeg which magic dem go use do am.

Those that are shouting "greed" are just ignorant of the situations. I know money is involved, Yes. Who will invest bilions of dollars on an investment and watch it not generate money for him/her and will fold his or her arms.
Do you expect them to take Liam for that or use money from their other businesses to run this one? Is that a wise business decision?

Do you know the total prized money of UCL is 100 - 120 m dollars or so?
Can that money when get a world class player this moment?
And that is just for the winner, at the end of the day UEFA will pocket the remaining money generated via the completion and the teams will now be the one to look for ways to sort the players and other staffs wages.

Since UEFA is not doing anything concerning their plea, they decided to help themselves by creating ESL, where top teams will play eachother severally in a year and that will help them generate a lot of income because they will get the returns directly, irrespective of your position in the competition.

Think of it this way,
You said you don't follow football but sometimes you watch football, right?
And those matches you do watch are big clubs matches e.g Liverpool vs Man U, Man city vs Chelsea, Tottenham vs Arsenal, Barça vs Madrid, Juventus vs Inter/AC Milan etc.

ESL will afford viewers the opportunity to watch those top matches and they will be able to get the TV rights directly to the teams.

EagleNest:


My point is that the money paid to these stars are excessive. Yes, they generate money for the club but their salary and perks are abnormal. I doubt if the likes of Diego Maradona with all their magical prowess were paid this mad money.

slachtoffers:


Response to your second point: are they asking for palliatives to keep paying exorbitant fees or are they asking for palliatives like every other tax payers that got half of what they deserved? ( I asked because I am not privy to their demands and from your response I can only infer that they want money to keep receiving fat cheques while the rest of the world are cutting down for the greater good)

To your third point: yes contractual agreement is nothing to renege on, you will face a swift push back with all sort of litigations. But let me tell you, last year a friend of mine works full time when the COVID hit, he still collects his full time pay but he discussed with his landlord that he had to work from home and was on technical unemployment ( which wasn't the case because he can do his job 100 per from home). His landlord set aside his contract and asked him to per 75per of the rent for three months. The point of this is that most contract can be renegotiated in good faith. Maybe we need to know the inner working of the club, this will give us an idea on why the player threatened to leave. Maybe management want to cut other people's pay without adjusting theirs. Have you considered that could be the case? If I have the power personally I would not give up a cent of my salary if management refused to adjust theirs as well.

How are you certain that UEFA isn't doing anything about it? I have been opportuned to be in the inner working of an organization. A times that an agreement has not been reach on how to move forward does not mean something isn't being done. I also can not say for sure whether UEFA is being unfair until we are privy to details of those close doors meetings.

My argument with you steams from closing of stadium or not which we have agreed upon.
That aside, why I think the ESL is a bad idea is that it will give exclusive access to big teams. This will not only kill talents but will affect talents from poor countries the most. Majority of the talents from poor countries started off from small team that had the opportunity to play on big stage. If the big stage becomes restricted to only the haves what happens to the future of the have-nots?

Even in business a times you have to put the overall objectives and long term gain into consideration.

Like I said in one of my previous responses, I am not a football fan I am only using common sense here. But if you are able to explain to be how ESL will not be disadvantaged to mostly talents from poor countries like African I will appreciate it.

alfredilly:


Bro, that covid was a lame excuse. The plan has been on before the pandemic. I in 2018 /19 season when a schedule was fix for it to kickstart.

Addme:

Even if UEFA does not ban them,the ESL is to be played midweek which is almost the same time Champions League matches are played. So it's almost impossible for these big teams to play their domestic leagues during weekends, play ESL in midweek and also play UCL midweek, so in other words,there won't be UCL for them again. They actually planned this to rival UCL.

milehigh06:


Real Madrid was in debt before covid..barca was over a billion in debt before covid...apart from fans going to the make money from sponsorships...tv revenue..ads and none of those stopped

Tmlivesport:
AND IT HAS COME TO STAY

By 2024 Almost all the big club will be dead because of lack of fund due to the effect of pandemic

slachtoffers:


Why you mumu like this?

COVID 19 regulations are made by countries. Each country has its rule on gathering it is a law that is way beyond the pay grade of football Council.

Secondly, do you guys have any idea how bad Covid is in Europe? Just to please some over paid entertainers you want to open the stadium, do you know what shit show that will be?

COVID is no joke health care system has been stretched, small businesses are taking losses and they do it quietly for the greater good, why not the big businesses.

BabaIbo:


They are in such debt in normal situation, now imagine what their debt will be like during and after covid, considering the fact that their strength of servicing the debt would have reduced due to empty stadiums etc.
When you have a business and you're running into debt, do you sit down and watch expecting the situation to change so that you can clear it and if it doesn't change you allow it to pile up or you take steps on clearing the debt.

You funny, so those companies sponsoring them are on a charity mission, right?
Or you think they receive TV rights revenue directly?
Read more on how the TV right revenue is shared abeg, before assuming the money enters their accounts directly.

It's simple, the demand to spend is increasing and the income is reducing. So, they need something that can can give them such money.

Those clubs are people's businesses or investments, they have shareholders, hope you know?

Why do you think dangote is taking his time before bidding for Arsenal? If it is easy he would have done it straight-up na.