BabaIbo:


They are in such debt in normal situation, now imagine what their debt will be like during and after covid, considering the fact that their strength of servicing the debt would have reduced due to empty stadiums etc.
When you have a business and you're running into debt, do you sit down and watch expecting the situation to change so that you can clear it and if it doesn't change you allow it to pile up or you take steps on clearing the debt.

You funny, so those companies sponsoring them are on a charity mission, right?
Or you think they receive TV rights revenue directly?
Read more on how the TV right revenue is shared abeg, before assuming the money enters their accounts directly.

It's simple, the demand to spend is increasing and the income is reducing. So, they need something that can can give them such money.

Those clubs are people's businesses or investments, they have shareholders, hope you know?

Why do you think dangote is taking his time before bidding for Arsenal? If it is easy he would have done it straight-up na.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/548092/premier-league-every-club-earnings-revealed/amp/


There you go

milehigh06:



Wtf are you talking about..who created the level of crazy spending...I don't see Westhampton spending crazy money on players..Madrid..chrlsea..utd and city continously spend recklessly on stupid transfer fees but yea let's Blane their lack of foresight on others

Are you OK?

What is the duty of UEFA and Co?
Is it to rake in money to be shared among the members after every competition and keep mute over issues that they are originally formed/created to do?

Same way they allowed them to spend, is the same way they should allow them to do what will keep the spending going on, if they were so dumb not to know they should have come up with measures needed to put the spending in check.

Anyhow you like turn it, the fact still remains that the fault is on the side of FIFA, UEFA and other responsible bodies.

larryjonze:



The most feasible way out is pay cut to those players already i strongly believe they are been over paid, if all club management unite to enforce a pay cut nothing those player can do.
whatever covid did to FIFA will still happen with super league because we are talking pandemic here ... to save time, energy and resources the most viable option is a temporary pay cut.

Bros, in every twelve, there's a Judas. There is a club out there whose finances weren't shaken by the Pandemic. Even if all the big clubs make a pact of temporary but complusory paycut for their players, which consequently these players would whine about, a "Judas" club would just offer them a better financial deal behind the others' backs and buy these dissenting players up. Bros, don't go there abeg. I own a business and I know what it's like making such pacts with other businesses. At the end of the day, it's personal interests over any stupid pacts. Las las you carry me go court. But I don buy your player

milehigh06:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/football/548092/premier-league-every-club-earnings-revealed/amp/


There you go

How many times do you watch southhampton vs Sheffield's game?
But they receive almost the same amount if TV right revenue with those teams that bring in the viewers. Monkey dey work, bamboo dey chop.

Do you even understand what you shared?

You are indirectly supporting my argument over yours.

OK, let me use what you shared to explain better.

We all know Liverpool, Man u, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man city and maybe Tottenham/Everton are the reason why EPL has a large viewers base all over the world, isn't it?

And we know it is because they have large fan bases, they can sign top class players etc., and these are all because some people invested billions in those teams.

But then at the end of the season you share money for them equally or almost equally... 50 percent equally and the other not equally, but still the difference between what the first took is not much from what the last took.

Now, they are asking for a form of bailout from the body or at least change some of the rules, considering the fact that they are the ones that bring views, followership etc to the league but the competition body declined.
So they decided to create a league of top teams where Evey top team can bring their own fans and viewers, merge it together and at the end of the day, share the money mom them, to help them run the clubs without issues.

VirginSearcher:
I don't understand shit about this and seems not to be interested to find out though..

Then hush nigger!!

Jeferious:
Bros, in every twelve, there's a Judas. There is a club out there whose finances weren't shaken by the Pandemic. Even if all the big clubs make a pact of temporary but complusory paycut for their players, which consequently these players would whine about, a "Judas" club would just offer them a better financial deal behind the others' backs and buy these dissenting players up. Bros, don't go there abeg. I own a business and I know what it's like making such pacts with other businesses. At the end of the day, it's personal interests over any stupid pacts. Las las you carry me go court. But I don buy your player

There will alway be judas, you have a point and i get you, here is were FIFA and other regulating bodies come in, the fact that most of the favourite leagues in the world are registered under FIFA is enough leverage to curbs instances of "Judas" ... fifa might not have the power to enforce pay cut but they can absolutely regulate the transfer market in such way that no club will be able to snatch players with high price/wage.
For instance, creat a law no club will pay higher wage than what any player is currently earning, thats fair to all

udemzyudex:


You daft I swear.

people no dey go market?

people no dey go mosque or church?

Dem don dey hold party, if na politics you go see people dey gather for campaign but e reach football now covid dey abi?

See your life for outside.

Ignorant naive kid that has never left his village.

Who told you shops and pubs or rallies are allowed in Europe?

UK just opened their stores and pub barely a week. Italy still experimenting on how best to open. France, Germany, Belgium and Netherlands still on partial lockdown with number of gathering both indoors and outdoors restricted to a certain size.

Read or listen to news ode you no gree

Na only to dey beg for money or follow yeyebrity news na im u dey use dat data wey dem dash u do

Mumu we dey discuss Europe matter local kid like wan put mouth inside Iti akwu

BabaIbo:


From your first two paragraphs, I think you should let the clubs be and focus more on the players.

If the clubs want to cut but the players don't want pay cut, what will you do? Force them, I guess you would not want to try that.

If UEFA took necessary steps, there is no way you won't read about it in the news, because they will surely use it as excuse in order to make those clubs look bad and also win public sympathy.

I'm not the one you are arguing with over stadium closure, I only responded to your response to the guy that mentioned closed stadium, simply because you tried using covid as reasons while these clubs should continue running despite their challenges and you're still against their actions(ESL) to help themselves out of that challenges.
Maybe you should read on how that body against them is formed or some other football competitions, you will understand better.

Again, every industry has their working principles, there are things you don't just decide to use common sense on.

I have worked in organizations in the past, and I know what I'm saying.
Infact, I stopped working for others as a result of payment issue.
The owner called us(the top earners) for a meeting and he told us he can no longer afford to pay us since the company is not making enough money to cater for that, he said he has been running it with his own personal money, that he can no longer do that, he paid us off and everyone went their ways.

Can you use such style in football? Call the clubs top earners(who are probably the main stars), pay them off and tell them to go. Which players will they play with? Feeders team?

It may work in banking industry but it won't work in oil industry.

Banks can cut their labour size and operate from few branches, but oil companies can't sack their expatriates, it is either they replace them or they meet the agreed terms. I don't know maybe you get the point I am trying to make using day to day lives.

Note: By Oil companies, I mean those that do exploration not petrol stations.

If the clubs want to cut but the players don't want pay cut, what will you do? Force them, I guess you would not want to try that.

You statement above is fundamental to my position all along. Which is simply, why blame the player if they refuse pay cut when management teams are not willing to take one themselves?

Untill we are both privy to the real reason why those players refused pay cut or why the governing body is not enforcing it, then we can only speculate and keep arguing.

You have to accept that we both do not have access to the full information to decide where exactly to lay the blame.

My main problem like I said and asked of you guys that are knowledgeable in football is how is the ESL advantageous to talents from poor countries. This I am curious about. Because I may not be a football fan but I am sure as hell in support of any arrangement that will give poor kids a leg or an equal opportunity to pursue and excel in their calling.

If you can give me an insight into the above it will help shape my understanding or eliminate my misgivings on the importance of ESL.

BabaIbo:


Are you OK? What is a business all about? Fans passion?
Someone will invest billions of dollars in a project and you expect him or her to make fans passion his or her priority.

Please seek Wisdom.

So, in your myopic mind, if someone is making 600 million but his/her expenditure is 800 million the person is making money.

Or let me even say if he/she is making 600m and spending 550m, he/she is making money right? Don't forget they have shareholders, don't forget they will buy players, upgrade their stadiums etc.
Don't forget as the year goes by the spending will increase but the income won't increase.
Or do you expect them to spend their personal money gotten from another investment/business on that?

These people know about economics more than you do, they have considered the future consequence etc.

Airoflaw, please don't mind that person that referred to my view as clueless. When he/she starts his/her own business he/she can go on and run it on loss alone by selling at lesser price than the amount he got the goods, rendering a service at a lesser rate than the total cost(that is cost of materials used, labour employed and other things) etc.

No need engaging a kid who can’t tell the difference between ‘not making profit’ and ‘dwindling profit’. Only a mad man would back a decision that seeks to destroy years of tradition because of a temporal financial gain. There are thousands of other small clubs surviving through this period while the idiots that still rake in millions from merc sales and tv rights are the ones whining.
When fifa, fa and uefa kicks them out of all competition, let me see how sustainable this retarded idea is once the world opens up.

slachtoffers:


If the clubs want to cut but the players don't want pay cut, what will you do? Force them, I guess you would not want to try that.

You statement above is fundamental to my position all along. Which is simply, why blame the player if they refuse pay cut when management teams are not willing to take one themselves?

Untill we are both privy to the real reason why those players refused pay cut or why the governing body is not enforcing it, then we can only speculate and keep arguing.

You have to accept that we both do not have access to the full information to decide where exactly to lay the blame.

My main problem like I said and asked of you guys that are knowledgeable in football is how is the ESL advantageous to talents from poor countries. This I am curious about. Because I may not be a football fan but I am sure as hell in support of any arrangement that will give poor kids a leg or an equal opportunity to pursue and excel in their calling.

If you can give me an insight into the above it will help shape my understanding or eliminate my misgivings on the importance of ESL.

Creation of ESL won't stop clubs from buying players, every other thing will still go on, just that they(the clubs) won't take part in UEFA Champions league again. If the new competition is to go on according to the plan, that is it will just be a move away from UCL into ESL for the clubs.
They will still participate in their country's league etc. The only change there is UCL for ESL.
It will even give them more financial power to buy players they need.

It's not as if it's strictly for European players only, it is for all players from all nationalities.

After all, the interested clubs taking part has one or more African players in their teams.

Look at it this way, recently Mane who is a poor boy from Senegal before shoting to limelight, he plays for Liverpool FC is looking up to the club for a pay rise but the club is not doing anything on it and he is planning to move to another club that can meet that requirement.
Now, with this project/competiton, his team will have more money and can easily meet up with his requirements.

Note: Mane is one of the players that has given back to his people in terms of charity, building and construction of various basic amenities and so on.

Don't you think if he gets a pay rise that he deserve, he will be able to do more for his people, and in doing that several other kids that can't afford to enroll in football academy or get proper education etc., will get that at little or no cost?

larryjonze:



There will alway be judas, you have a point and i get you, here is were FIFA and other regulating bodies come in, the fact that most of the favourite leagues in the world are registered under FIFA is enough leverage to curbs instances of "Judas" ... fifa might not have the power to enforce pay cut but they can absolutely regulate the transfer market in such way that no club will be able to snatch players with high price/wage.
For instance, creat a law no club will pay higher wage than what any player is currently earning, thats fair to all

How do you create a socialist law in a capitalist circle? Can a square peg fit in a round hole? Those regulatory bodies you don mention sef dey find money . If their palms are greased adequately, they would turn a blind eye even when their own regulations are broken. Money speaks, B.S. works.

The only reason UEFA and FIFA is threatening fire and brimstones is because apart from their relevance being undermined, their supply to the cash is under attack. And if I know this world very well, poor man no dey make laws for rich man

slachtoffers:


Ignorant naive kid that has never left his village.

Who told you shops and pubs or rallies are allowed in Europe?

UK just opened their stores and pub barely a week. Italy still experimenting on how best to open. France, Germany, Belgium and Netherlands still on partial lockdown with number of gathering both indoors and outdoors restricted to a certain size.

Read or listen to news ode you no gree

Na only to dey beg for money or follow yeyebrity news na im u dey use dat data wey dem dash u do

Mumu we dey discuss Europe matter local kid like wan put mouth inside Iti akwu

You daft, you think say I get time to read this your nonsense? naa.

udemzyudex:


You daft, you think say I get time to read this your nonsense? naa.

Of course you no go get time read. Olodo

BabaIbo:


Creation of ESL won't stop clubs from buying players, every other thing will still go on, just that they(the clubs) won't take part in UEFA Champions league again. If the new competition is to go on according to the plan, that is it will just be a move away from UCL into ESL for the clubs.
They will still participate in their country's league etc. The only change there is UCL for ESL.
It will even give them more financial power to buy players they need.

It's not as if it's strictly for European players only, it is for all players from all nationalities.

After all, the interested clubs taking part has one or more African players in their teams.

Look at it this way, recently Mane who is a poor boy from Senegal before shoting to limelight, he plays for Liverpool FC is looking up to the club for a pay rise but the club is not doing anything on it and he is planning to move to another club that can meet that requirement.
Now, with this project/competiton, his team will have more money and can easily meet up with his requirements.

Note: Mane is one of the players that has given back to his people in terms of charity, building and construction of various basic amenities and so on.

Don't you think if he gets a pay rise that he deserve, he will be able to do more for his people, and in doing that several other kids that can't afford to enroll in football academy or get proper education etc., will get that at little or no cost?

I see your point but my confusion is this. I assume ( I have little inform on the real trend in football) that majority of players from poor countries started off with small clubs ( that are part of the UEFA etc) and this gave them opportunity to shows their talent to bigger club. If my assumption is right ( correct if wrong I don't have data on the progress of the purported African player for instance I just know that whenever I look at the small club say in Belgium there are a lot of them there. I guess it is the same across Europe?) making ESL exclusive will limit the uptake of these guys. Since you need to be know to be scouted for ( most often than not).

It is not about the pay cheque for one player but how many of them would get to play at that level if there chances are limited?

I hope I explain my confusion that is based on assumption well?

Jeferious:
How do you create a socialist law in a capitalist circle? Can a square peg fit in a round hole? Those regulatory bodies you don mention sef dey find money . If their palms are greased adequately, they would turn a blind eye even when their own regulations are broken. Money speaks, B.S. works.

The only reason UEFA and FIFA is threatening fire and brimstones is because apart from their relevance being undermined, their supply to the cash is under attack. And if I know this world very well, poor man no dey make laws for rich man

I don't see how socialist or capitalist applies here, as a matter of fact every profession as a regulatory body vested with the responsibilities of protecting all registered members interest.
UEFA & FIFA are richer & more powerful than any club, they are not @ the mercy of anyclub hence why they can sanction any club, so far you can see most of these clubs are retracting there move.
UEFA & FIFA is acting in accordance to there statutory duties its not out of place and not just about money. the big question is can those clubs bear the sanction/repercurssion

slachtoffers:


My response was strictly on the part where he said uefa refused to allow them open stadium. How on earth would anyone with a working brain think that opening the stadium is a good idea.

Since you chose not to address the above, let me make a general statement.

Oga do you know how many people are taking pay cut in the form of technical unemployment in Europe? Do you know how many businesses are surviving on half of what they use to earn?

Please can you tell me what the management of these clubs have done (I am genuinely asking because I am not a fan of any club and I don't really follow their news) to cut cost and ensure their reserves ( enormous profit year after year) last them longer than anticipated?

If I may ask, do you think that ESL will magical open the stadium for them unless it coincide with the removal of Covid restrictions? You do you think that ESL will magically erase all the hurdles placed my Covid restrictions on business?

some player protest pay cut, even former player support them that why should they. ozil is one of them

charlesucheh:
According to Arsene Wenger,; football is about passion. the competitiveness and struggle involved is what makes the game exciting and intriguing to watch. this one of a president is just lookin for how to make money.

oga Perez, the passion comes before the money. corona virus will go and everything will be back to Normal. let's maintain the status quo and stop being bothered by the decisions of these Aristocrats.

so it's passion they will use pay, Tottenham Hotspur have to layoff over hundred staff when players refuse pay cut. should they release those players for not taking paycut who play for them

slachtoffers:


I see your point but my confusion is this. I assume ( I have little inform on the real trend in football) that majority of players from poor countries started off with small clubs ( that are part of the UEFA etc) and this gave them opportunity to shows their talent to bigger club. If my assumption is right ( correct if wrong I don't have data on the progress of the purported African player for instance I just know that whenever I look at the small club say in Belgium there are a lot of them there. I guess it is the same across Europe?) making ESL exclusive will limit the uptake of these guys. Since you need to be know to be scouted for ( most often than not).

It is not about the pay cheque for one player but how many of them would get to play at that level if there chances are limited?

I hope I explain my confusion that is based on assumption well?

See you need to have basic football knowledge to understand it.

Like I said, they are still playing together in the various countries leagues, their scout is still scouting for players in various countries etc.

The major change is the UCL for ESL.

I think we should end this discussion, since you're u don't understand some basic thing about football.

larryjonze:



The most feasible way out is pay cut to those players already i strongly believe they are been over paid, if all club management unite to enforce a pay cut nothing those player can do.
whatever covid did to FIFA will still happen with super league because we are talking pandemic here ... to save time, energy and resources the most viable option is a temporary pay cut.

there won't be football without players if they force pay cut down their throats they will strike. let see football game without players

larryjonze:



I don't see how socialist or capitalist applies here, as a matter of fact every profession as a regulatory body vested with the responsibilities of protecting all registered members interest.
UEFA & FIFA are richer & more powerful than any club, they are not @ the mercy of anyclub hence why they can sanction any club, so far you can see most of these clubs are retracting there move.
UEFA & FIFA is acting in accordance to there statutory duties its not out of place and not just about money. the big question is can those clubs bear the sanction/repercurssion

The "socialist/capitalist" talk came up in response to your saying that FIFA/UEFA should be empowered to intervene in a club's spending. If that's the case, then Messi should be playing for Newell Old Boys(just saying). But then, reality suggests that these players would always go to where the money is. Else, why would some of Europe's best players be moving to China and the US Ramos is currently embattled at Madrid because he won't accept any paycut. We are talking about the club's and country's captain here, who should be leading by example. Ronaldo left Madrid when he demanded for more bucks. This is a player who was doing excellently at the club then. Neymar followed money to PSG and broke the world's deadliest trio into pieces(and my heart too). He left his friends and went to meet unfamiliar faces in France. Tell me you don't see anything about capitalism in these instances. You think this thing is about passion? This is strictly business, and the clubs are doing what they can maintain buoyancy, and their lavish spendings that apparently gives them some form of prestige.

Furthermore, saying that UEFA and FIFA is richer than any club is the same as saying that Joe Biden is richer than Bill Gates. Maybe more powerful, but definitely not richer. And about the "power" part of the argument, I'd believe you when these regulatory bodies force the "Super League" clubs into submission without even an inch of compromise from the former. Time will tell.

leesamyoung:


so it's passion they will use pay, Tottenham Hotspur have to layoff over hundred staff when players refuse pay cut. should they release those players for not taking paycut who play for them

So they should kukuma spoil the whole game na! Ahbi??

Maybe when everyone looses interest in the whole football, they will go and look for robots that will come and pay to View their complicated unexciting tournaments which after watching, even the robots self will get bored of everything...

Jeferious:
The "socialist/capitalist" talk came up in response to your saying that FIFA/UEFA should be empowered to intervene in a club's spending. If that's the case, then Messi should be playing for Newell Old Boys(just saying). But then, reality suggests that these players would always go to where the money is. Else, why would some of Europe's best players be moving to China and the US Ramos is currently embattled at Madrid because he won't accept any paycut. We are talking about the club's and country's captain here, who should be leading by example. Ronaldo left Madrid when he demanded for more bucks. This is a player who was doing excellently at the club then. Neymar followed money to PSG and broke the world's deadliest trio into pieces(and my heart too). He left his friends and went to meet unfamiliar faces in France. Tell me you don't see anything about capitalism in these instances. You think this thing is about passion? This is strictly business, and the clubs are doing what they can maintain buoyancy, and their lavish spendings that apparently gives them some form of prestige.

Furthermore, saying that UEFA and FIFA is richer than any club is the same as saying that Joe Biden is richer than Bill Gates. Maybe more powerful, but definitely not richer. And about the "power" part of the argument, I'd believe you when these regulatory bodies force the "Super League" clubs into submission without even an inch of compromise from the former. Time will tell.

I get your view, the scope of my submission so far is "Desperate times requires/deserves desperate measures" ... all those instances you gave were under normal economic flow.
My point remains things are different now and its not business as usual hence the need for regulatory bodies to come up with policies that will cuisine the pandemic effect, covid is here no one planned for it, fifa should have done something about it earlier there failure is why some clubs are making seperate moves buh now with the wake up call ... if fifa can't regulate wages cut, i am certain they can regulate transfer window, no ridculous bid and players must not be offered more than what they earn in there respective clubs till pandemic is over @least

leesamyoung:


there won't be football without players if they force pay cut down their throats they will strike. let see football game without players

I am sure if regulatory bodies aint relevant or important all profession won't have one, every organisation has a structure & chain of command, by hierachy fifa & uefa is bigger than any club or player.
those players can only grumble, if all management agree n enforce it players go adjust.

BabaIbo:


See you need to have basic football knowledge to understand it.

Like I said, they are still playing together in the various countries leagues, their scout is still scouting for players in various countries etc.

The major change is the UCL for ESL.

I think we should end this discussion, since you're u don't understand some basic thing about football.

Scouting is still going on. That I understand but most talent that would have gone unnoticed are noticed or get a second chance in the big arena (take those big talent show for instance).

Secondly, there are people that were never selected to play with the big boys until they got to big event like world Cup, Olympics ( that does not mean that scouting was never going on it just that the event gave them one of the biggest stage to show their skills rather than being in one obscure area of the world and praying and hoping that one day the scout who get to you). Do you get my drift = bigger stager = the greater the chance of been seen.

Anyways, this is not about basic football knowledge the fundamental discussion here is product visibility Enjoy the rest of your day bro.

larryjonze:




I get your view, the scope of my submission so far is "Desperate times requires/deserves desperate measures" ... all those instances you gave were under normal economic flow.
My point remains things are different now and its not business as usual hence the need for regulatory bodies to come up with policies that will cuisine the pandemic effect, covid is here no one planned for it, fifa should have done something about it earlier there failure is why some clubs are making seperate moves buh now with the wake up call ... if fifa can't regulate wages cut, i am certain they can regulate transfer window, no ridculous bid and players must not be offered more than what they earn in there respective clubs till pandemic is over @least

My brother, I get your point. You type like someone's passionate about the game and won't want to see this silly coup become successful. But at the same time, I think we are arguing too much. Let's sit back and see what the big dogs would decide.

milehigh06:


Who made it excessive...the same clubs thst demanded and paid for it..you don't see dortmund going about saying fir the good of the game,let's sell Haaland for 5 mil..nope...Madrid will come and bid 100 mil..just like chelsea..utd and barca but yea let's blame others

That's where the fair play rules comes in, otherwise one day it will all ballon out of control. Surely, Football super stars should earn bigger money than their peers but not the monster money being thrown around these days, even for mediocre players.

slimghost:


You are retarded and please never quote me again!. Big clubs that still get revenue from merc sales and tv rights are ‘dying’ while small clubs are doing what again?.
Foolish kid talking about ignorance.

Kid, calm down, we're here to help you apply common sense. Have you now calculated those revenues without tickets and jerseys sales against their expenditures to determine if they are still making profits? At least, Real Madrid president has that they made loss last season and this season.

kalu61:
Shut up before you insult Perez for something you have no idea about.

Looking at you suggesting pay cut as if you woke up today. This is 21st century, football is money and money is football.

You can continue with your ESL in your room
Dumbo.

maasoap:



Ignorance at its peak. Those teams are not Nigeria clubs that are owned and being sponsored by the governments. In Nigeria, teams don't need to make money or profit to stay alive but those big clubs need to keep thinking of ways to stay afloat in the face of covid-19 pandemic.

It won't materialize.
ESL nonsense is dead on arrival , you can quite me anywhere

Whobedatte:

You can continue with your ESL in your room
Dumbo.

e pain you

Whobedatte:

You can continue with your ESL in your room
Dumbo.

e pain you but you are the biggest dumbo. The big clubs have gotten what they wanted. ESL was a protest again UEFA, now they have to source whooping 7b in 48hours for the team and some changes still under way.

Ignoramus.