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n3xt:
Baba, I’m happy to read from you and I truly understand your message.
Thanks for your decision to support. You’re putting humane in humanity.

@hslbroker2 he don do. Accept whatever is offered and move on to bigger stuffs.

Thank you

dapotemi:
I was really sad reading focusmind submission here. I just had to imagine myself in his shoes. It's just sad to imagine!

The whole deal is ALMOST a total loss to him, you can also imagine the loss in terms of TIME and ENERGY he must have invest in this whole thing, to get a product that is of low quality....Dealing with artisans in Nigeria can be draining, it can take away your soul. You hardly see a sane one this days!
My wife gave a carpenter, just on my street 120k since oct for her kitchen cabinet, till today the guy disappear, this is someone we have known for two years.
Please, what can 120k change in a man's life? with two children o! On this platform, i called an architect and we agreed on a certain amount for a 3 bed plan. We agreed on payment. Later i called and demanded for some modification, he said no problem but i will add more money, we agreed on what to add and he proceed. After few days he called that the modification cannot work due to the size of the land and he propose another type of modification, again we agreed. Later again, he called that all modification (mine and his) cannot work and that we should revert back to the first plan, grudgingly i said okay just revert back to our initial plan, the very first one. Abeg, is it not expected that we revert back to the old price that we initially agreed on. Na so this guy finish work seize my plan o, asking for balance. I told him balance is for modification, now there is no modification so which balance. We almost resort to threat and he later bulge. I dont know how you guys do it o, [b]but using people online is tough. [/b]I'm planning to use another one again, but fear dey catch me. My job is tough, I dont have time, i dont have energy.

Focusmind, i will rely on one of your statement, compassion triumph logic, pls find him something, i dont expect you to pay 120k though. The truth is, this guys needs to BE RESPONSIBLE AND KNOW THAT NO BE EVERY JOB PERSON THEY COLLECT. He needs to bear some responsibility.
The only reason am appealing to focusmind is because of the health of the other guy. Remember Ada jesus story on this platform. May we all live long without any regret of what we should have done earlier. Focusmind, na beg i beg you. Please.


Yes using people online is tough, same thing using people you know is tougher. Imagine the person you have known for two years still run away with your 120k. Bad people everywhere ! I have work for people in diaspora without meeting them in person and I delivered their work as promised. Artisans are the set of people that supposed to be getting jobs(money) if they relate with their client properly(they will be referred without paying for advert) but No! They will sha Bleep up ni.

n3xt:
;

I have this happening near me but I’ll be comfortable doing traditions here because we don’t have the type of load bearing blocks they use here.

I’ll post pics shortly. The build next to mine has precast lintels

n3xt:
@stevo30

erico2k2:
load-bearing blocks? is it not make of cement, water and sand?

n3xt:
It is made of sand, cement, water and stonedust 1. I must confess that blocks get levels.

The blocks I’m using in Ijebu Ode Countryhome project can survive under extreme and harsh conditions
Likewise, stonedust blocks in maybe some part of Abeokuta or the area where I’ve worked. You need an axe to cut it into 2.

Enyinne:
Amen . Roofing is another tough area . The money involved is like that of foundation. So finding a way to reduce cost is key as per kobo kobo project .

KolaShangOne:
On the issue of proper name calling of aluminium.

To me, I feel the clear thing is;

1. Light imported material

2. Thick imported material

3. Tower material.

Alot of artisans use "Tower standard material" which is confusing to clients.

Only few Engineers can identify Tower from Thick imported, not to talk of clients..

Ggee:
Hello, tried to reach out. Appreciate your contact with shipping.

Paras011:
Various Drawings Used in Building Construction

A construction drawing, otherwise called plan, is the most important thing needed to start a construction project. It is used as idea generation and a guide for the construction process. It illustrates what is to be built and what the finished product will look like when it is completed by visually communicating the design and the information which is required to bring the project into reality to all the workers involved in the construction process.
A construction drawing communicates construction buildings, interior spaces, cabinets, furniture and other objects. It is a scaled, detailed and accurate representation of how the object looks, how it should be constructed and the materials to be used.

- Construction drawings represent the construction project as a whole.
- They are prepared by a team of designers.
- The drawing is prepared before the commencement of the bidding process in a conservative and traditional construction environment.
- It is an official contract document.
- It is subject to mark-ups, change orders, and redefining as the project shapes up.

There are different types of construction drawings categorized based on their functions. The five main categories which also have sub-types are:
- Architectural Drawing
- Structural Drawing
- Electrical Drawing
- Plumbing and Sanitary Drawing
- Finishing Drawings

Architectural Drawings
Architectural drawings provide complete view of a building. They demonstrate the location of a building and all its parts as well as where they will be placed. Architectural drawing include:
- Site Plan
- Working Plan
- Section Drawing
- Elevation Drawing

Structural Drawings
The structural drawing gives a complete view of the structure or building. It is often prepared by licensed structural engineers relying on input from architectural drawings. Structural drawing emphasizes load-carrying members such as steel beams, joists, framing materials, etc. of the structure.

This is a unique drawing as it does not address partition walls, plumbing, and mechanical systems, or other details like surface finishes. Structural drawings include:

General Note
This has to do with the codes and by laws of buildings. Though it has no drawings, the details of all the structural drawings such as concrete mix, lapping length, curing time, abbreviation, codes and other work procedures, are mentioned.
Excavation Drawing
Excavation Drawing represents the footing excavation dimension, column position, footing plan and grid lines of column.

Column Layout
Column layout reinforces the design and pattern of the columns of the whole structure. It is divided floor wise and demarcates the exact size and distance between every column of the building. It makes it easier for the contractors to make sense of the whole building layout.

Plinth Beam Layout
It represents the dimensions, position and section of plinth beam and the details of reinforcement in plinth beam.

Lintel Beam Layout
This drawing represents the dimensions, position and section of lintel beam and the details of reinforcement in lintel beam.

Roof Beam and Shuttering Layout
This represents the details of reinforcement of roof beam, its section and shuttering details.

Roof Slab Layout
The main purpose of roof slab layout is to provide a detailed account of the floors, roof faces, and other surfaces that require precise edge information.

Electrical Drawings
It is a type of drawing that describes the location and information of electrical wiring, sub-station, and fixtures. It explains the electrical load calculation. It gives information about lighting, power and communication for engineering or architectural project.

Plumbing and Sanitary Drawings
This is a technical drawing that illustrates the system for pumping water in and out of the building. Equipment, pipes, pumps, and drains, the nature and size of sinks to the location of gas are carefully illustrated in the drawing. It also indicates the position of sanitary, piping for water supply systems, fixtures, and the process to connect every accessory.

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n3xt:
@chuckkingston

Pls dm me on +234.80.234...29.122

Focusmind:
I have read people's opinions regarding this issue. MMotimo, n3xt, dongc, dixton etc. Your comments have been noted.

I need to clear the issue on the N120K additional costs. I couldn't get back my refund from hslbroker when I requested for it, neither did I take delivery of the windows as at when due. Even if hslbroker had told me that I would pay additional 300k for the windows, I would still have "deceptively" agreed. Giving Monkey a cup of water is not the problem. The problem is collecting back the cup. You have to outsmart it, beat it to its own game or at very worst, be at par with it to collect back your cup. This was exactly the strategy I employed. MMotimo noted that strategy in his comments.

HSLbroker was duly informed of the additional costs of transportation and nets I was about to pay Adedward. My windows were supposed to come with sliding nets as earlier agreed with hslbroker but he went ahead to instruct Adedward to do fixed nets, which were cheaper. I knew that waiting for him to mobilize Adedward to do sliding nets would be tough. I had to give Adedward the N40K to do the nets, which I also informed hslbroker.

On the transportation cost, he paid only N20k to Adedeward, which was not enough to move the goods to Ajah as the initial money I paid hslbroker was inclusive of transportation to my site within seven days. I had to advance Adedward another N10K, which is to the knowledge of HSLbroker. I told him he should ensure he mobilized Adedward to move the windows, but the funds were not forthcoming from hslbroker.

When I finally got the windows, they were made of "thick imported materials" as against "tower" as agreed with hslbroker. I raised it with him, he did not say anything. I raised it also with Adedward, he said what hslbroker gave him could only do windows made of "thick imported materials" as at that time and that doing windows with "tower" would be more expensive. This was something that could have been avoided if my windows were done as at when due and agreed.

On the issue that I displayed the windows here for people to see, which proved my acceptance of the windows. My brother, that display was at the behest of hslbroker. He requested that I show case the windows as a way of somehow "white washing" his already battered image, which I later got to know. Some discerning minds in this forum got the message that I was trying to "white wash" or do a mini PR for hslbroker. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I did him that favor not to be seen as a stumbling block to his business, which is somehow, against business ethics. The "thick imported materials" made windows have started to show signs of weariness, bending, twisting compare to my other windows made of tower and EBM.

The question now is: hslbroker said I owe him N120K. I spent additional N50k on services he ought to have paid himself, which means, I now "owe" him N70K. Is the N70K sufficient to compensate me for taken delivery of far lower quality " thick imported material" made windows as against "tower" made windows paid for and agreed with hslboker? If I had rejected the windows for not meeting up with specifications, trust me, I wouldn't be able to get refund from hslbroker, neither would I be able to get "tower" made windows from him. I didn't include the 25k I gave Adedward for fixing the broken windows as that was my own way of supporting him to fix the windows, which hslbroker did not cause. So, I did not attribute that cost to hslbroker.

Hslbroker sent me pictures of his sick body, with something that looked like malignant tumors on his skins. I have not met hslbroker before in person and I wouldn't know if the pictures were real, as his integrity and character are unreliable. I wanted to share the pictures for people that have met him to confirm if he was the one and actually sick, but the pictures were too graphic that I had to delete them from my whatsapp. As humans, sometimes, compassion trumps logic and I may be compelled to send something to him as a way of supporting his recovery, count my losses and move on. Not because he was right. These were windows that I could have taken delivery at N300K, with tower material made and now being asked by hslbroker for additional money on the premise that I "agreed" his additional costs and he still delivered below our agreed specifications.

n3xt:
Safety and Style: XL6 Trillion | Atrium House

#metalprotector #squarerod #window #security

Dijita:
My cousin will be calling you for the wire he needed for my project.
Pls send me the current price for Coleman of 1.5mm
2.5mm
4mm
10mm

Abychristy@yahoo.com

Urgently needed to be delivered to Iyana Ipaja

michlins:
please bro this is the true definition of ....

"What I ordered versus what I got". You suppose ask for 1" pipe for the job. That's the only way you can get something close to the original sample. Using square rod even though it's stronger can't get you that design.

PrinceLat:
I am a very private person, in short I don’t know why I am doing this, as I have never mediated in anything nairaland banters.

But this situation touches me so much ( focusmind, adedward and hslbroker2)
I am not here to apportion blame or judge who did what and who is right or wrong, but to plead with the parties to give peace a chance.

Truly focusmind had the intention of paying 300k for the job,
Hslborker couldn’t deliver based on the agreed date,
He contracted it instead to Adedward (due to his been indisposed)

Adedward took on the job but with a higher price margin, communicated it to Hslborker, He in turn communicated it to focusmind, in between this back and forth there was a verbal agreement for the job to be done with knowledge of the client ,albeit with some (just do it , but I will do what is in my mind).

Based on the above facts from the three of them, it can be deduced that , truly from all indications Hslbroker messed up on the delivery date, but made up for it by using his personal funds to get the job done, with the knowledge of the client.
The additional money given to Adedward is for the alteration in the job (nets and broken glass) but look at it from this angle.

Hslbroker did not use the money instead to treat himself or for other things and say because he was sick he couldn’t deliver, he made efforts. In the process its obvious he has now run at a loss (420k he gave adedward that the client was aware of minus 300k the client gave him) meaning he is at a loss of 120k, bearing in mind that he didn’t make profit from this job.

I just want to plead that the number of months that has elapsed is enough punishment for him loosing the said amount , but the good thing is the job was done, client has received the job with the knowledge that it was done at a greater amount than he initially paid for.

So please Focusmind I plead with you to find a way to reimburse him for the loss (God bless you more than your expectations) and just look at what he has gone thru while he was ill. (it’s a plea)

A wise man once said, what is necessary for the triumph of evil is for a good man/person/people to look on and do nothing.

Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.......

this is just a humble submission, times are hard, money is not easy to see and i understand everybody is feeling it.

Lemme borrow the popular slang here,
Please I come in peace th

n3xt:
Yeah... it’s a true definition of pictures do lie.

If I go more than the thickness of the rod chosen, we won’t achieve the original design.

The square rod used here is the same thickness as a 16mm iron rod. Take a look at the close shot.

Remember, the intent of the design is safety and style which no pipe can give.

Anyway, I have tons of rods and pipes on site to play with in case this didn’t work out. All these are done at no cost to my client.

michlins:
you suppose know better. Aesthetics are as important as safety. I can't build a prison because I want to keep thieves out of my house. Even some prisons where they will likely end up no go bad. If you're willing to play with designs and want to achieve at 80% of the original concept, it will cost you a fortune.

Use 2mm square pipe of 1" pipe to do this job and you can get what you want without compromising on safety.

Bear in mind that 18ft length of such will buy at least two lengths of that 16mm rod. But you will get what you want

n3xt:
Here you go, pick one. Don’t worry about the frame for now.

michlins:
1" over them all

n3xt:
Me I’ll chose square rod any day anytime. But that’s just me...

Next to it will be a 3/4in pipe. The 1in pipe looks too bogus for me. Again that’s just me anyway.

diordaves:
I will go for square rod as well. The concept is square rod. Any other material apart from square rod will murder the concept.

Your client should "close eye" and use square rod. If funds are the issue, look for another concept that will fit other materials.

For this concept o, square rod is it.

n3xt:
Me I’ll chose square rod any day anytime. But that’s just me...

Next to it will be a 3/4in pipe. The 1in pipe looks too bogus for me. Again that’s just me anyway.

dapotemi:
I was really sad reading focusmind submission here. I just had to imagine myself in his shoes. It's just sad to imagine!

The whole deal is ALMOST a total loss to him, you can also imagine the loss in terms of TIME and ENERGY he must have invest in this whole thing, to get a product that is of low quality....Dealing with artisans in Nigeria can be draining, it can take away your soul. You hardly see a sane one this days!
My wife gave a carpenter, just on my street 120k since oct for her kitchen cabinet, till today the guy disappear, this is someone we have known for two years.
Please, what can 120k change in a man's life? with two children o! On this platform, i called an architect and we agreed on a certain amount for a 3 bed plan. We agreed on payment. Later i called and demanded for some modification, he said no problem but i will add more money, we agreed on what to add and he proceed. After few days he called that the modification cannot work due to the size of the land and he propose another type of modification, again we agreed. Later again, he called that all modification (mine and his) cannot work and that we should revert back to the first plan, grudgingly i said okay just revert back to our initial plan, the very first one. Abeg, is it not expected that we revert back to the old price that we initially agreed on. Na so this guy finish work seize my plan o, asking for balance. I told him balance is for modification, now there is no modification so which balance. We almost resort to threat and he later bulge. I dont know how you guys do it o, but using people online is tough. I'm planning to use another one again, but fear dey catch me. My job is tough, I dont have time, i dont have energy.

Focusmind, i will rely on one of your statement, compassion triumph logic, pls find him something, i dont expect you to pay 120k though. The truth is, this guys needs to BE RESPONSIBLE AND KNOW THAT NO BE EVERY JOB PERSON THEY COLLECT. He needs to bear some responsibility.
The only reason am appealing to focusmind is because of the health of the other guy. Remember Ada jesus story on this platform. May we all live long without any regret of what we should have done earlier. Focusmind, na beg i beg you. Please.

Etranshub:
2mm thickness 3/4" square pipe will do a fantastic job as per strength and beauty for the piece. Welding and finishing also will come out pretty nice with it. Just like this piece