Fezz:


I wouldn't necessary say the Benin/ife is a myth. It's too early in the game for you to jump the gun and go public in exposing anything online. You need to be sure beyond reasonable doubt before you make such a conclusion. The only part in history I believe everything turned upside down was when the Ooni status was elevated to number one king in hierarchy. He shouldn't be on that list because he's not a direct son of Oodua.

Peace would have reigned if they announced the oba of benin as number one king in hierarchy because his royal stool seniors that of alafin of oyo. At the end of the day, the oba of benin was betrayed and that is why he asked for Midwest to be established. He made up his mind from that time that he will not take the yorubas as his brothers again because he saw through their plan of robbing him of his royal status as the number one king in the south.

I advise you to be patient because the truth will unfold itself very soon. It's all moving in the right direction.

What is it with you and fairytales ? Are we all in the 21st century ? Some of you are stuck in the olden days when Africans were gullible.
Look, there is no historical connection between Benin empire and Ife village.
Also oduduwa was created by awolowo !
Even the statue of oduduwa is actually a statue of awolowo !

Please start using your brains !
How come awolowo manages to dupe you guys right from the grave ? Who gets duped by a dead man ?

And please stop creating your own story in your head, history is an investigative work based on eyewitness written documents, it is not s science fiction which you conjure in your head.
The son of Oba Ovonramwen, Oba Eweka2 was already trying to leave the western region, his son Oba Akenzua 2 was to achieve it.

We never saw the "yorubas" as our brothers and they never saw us as their brothers. Awolowo tried to create an artificial "yoruba" tribe through fairytales for his political ambitions, the Oba of Benin didn't want any part of it.

Fezz:


I wouldn't necessary say the Benin/ife is a myth. It's too early in the game for you to jump the gun and go public in exposing anything online. You need to be sure beyond reasonable doubt before you make such a conclusion. The only part in history I believe everything turned upside down was when the Ooni status was elevated to number one king in hierarchy. He shouldn't be on that list because he's not a direct son of Oodua.

Peace would have reigned if they announced the oba of benin as number one king in hierarchy because his royal stool seniors that of alafin of oyo. At the end of the day, the oba of benin was betrayed and that is why he asked for Midwest to be established. He made up his mind from that time that he will not take the yorubas as his brothers again because he saw through their plan of robbing him of his royal status as the number one king in the south.

I advise you to be patient because the truth will unfold itself very soon. It's all moving in the right direction.

Let's talk on telegram, if you're not scared to here
Truth click on d telegram link I sent you let's have discussion on this topic

Truthshots2:
[s]What is it with you and fairytsles ? Are we all in the 21st century ? Some of you are stuck in the olden days when Africans were gullible.
Look, there is no historical connection between Benin empire and Ife village.
Also oduduwa was created by awolowo !
Even the statue of oduduwa is actually a statue of awolowo ! Please start using your brains ![/s]

Awolowo was born in 1909.

“Oduduwa” is littered in Samuel Johnson’s work which was completed in 1897. As well as as in previous other works.

Now we know who lacks the ability to use their brain.

However, it is both you and @Fezz who are misguided — but from different angles.

One can even notice the similarities between the names oduduwa and awolowo.
How that man awolowo manages to dupe people after his demise is beyond me:

oduduwa:= awolowo

TAO11:

(1) The title “Ogiame” is a Bini word introduced to Itsekiri land through Iginuwa — the Benin prince who became the first Olu of Itsekiri.

(2) Having said that, the general Itsekiri populace admit to being of Yoruba origin.

Also, the Itsekiri royal house itself admits to have its own ancestral root from Ife, through Benin.

This explains the Bini acculturation which gave rise to the presence of Bini words like Ogiame among Itsekiris.

(3) All kingdoms descended from the Yorubas do make use of two nouns to describe its monarch — a ‘proper noun,’ and a ‘common noun’

For example:

(A) The ancient kingdom of IFE describes its monarch using two Yoruba nouns, viz.

(I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord” usually rendered approximately as “king”.)

(II) “Ooni” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the possessor”.)

(B) The kingdom of OYO describes its monarch using two Yoruba nouns, viz.

(I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord,” usually rendered approximately as “king”.)

(II) “Alaafin” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the preeminent-owner of the palace”

(C) The kingdom of ADO (now Benin city) does describe its monarch using a Yoruba word and a Bini-ish word respectively as follows:

(I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord,” usually rendered approximately as “king”.)

(II) “Omonoba” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the overlord’s child”.

(D) The kingdom of ODE-ITSEKIRI describes its monarch using Yoruba and Bini words respectively as follows:

(I) “Olu” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the premier,” usually rendered approximately as “lord”.)

(II) “Ogiame” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the ruler of the [semi-]aquatic [terrain]”.)

Cc: ogbonti, Juliusmalema, nisai.

Olu of Itsekiri indeed, na Ogiame matter go kee your head - shay you better pass Buhari, Supreme Court and Federal gazette wey call am Olu of Warri? be living in denial - yeye fowl

ogbonti:
Olu of Itsekiri indeed, na Ogiame matter go kee your head - shay you better pass Buhari, Supreme Court and Federal gazette wey call am Olu of Warri? be living in denial - yeye fowl

Be calming down the. Did you see the word “first” at all??

That tells you that there was no Buhari, Supreme Court, or Federal Gazette or even the name “Warri” at the time of the first Olu.

By the way, I’m aware that the present day olus have authority over all of Warri.

TAO11:
Be calming down the. Did you see the word “first” at all??

That tell you that there was no Buhari, Supreme Court, or Federal Gazette or even the name “Warri” at the time of the first Olu.

By the way, I’m aware that the present day olus have authority over all of Warri.

Donkress u are still here arguing Edo history.. I told u before, you will spend all your life arguing history you can't change..
No worry, your grandchildren will one day ask you if Great Benin conquered yoruba.. you can save your long epistles for them..

TAO11:
Be calming down the. Did you see the word “first” at all??

That tell you that there was no Buhari, Supreme Court, or Federal Gazette or even the name “Warri” at the time of the first Olu.

By the way, I’m aware that the present day olus have authority over all of Warri.

it is well ooo Happy FRIDAY

Edeyoung:


Sure she/he can be bitchy


She is just a mere troll who already knows the truth behind the ife Benin myth as scam and political originated after amalgamation

She is using the ignorance of the masses to have her fun

Juliusmalema from the east is doing the same

They both are trolling we bins

I don't know any truth and I am not trolling you guys.

we are only putting u people to where u guys rightly belongs to inorder to avoid future friction incase Nigeria ceases to exist..

TAO11:
Benin people are too retar.ded for my liking.

He’s looking for who to track down.

Bunch of thieves, cultists and prostitutes.

Did you just say "track down"?.. Lol.
The funny part is, you don't have to login or register on facebook before you view the content, so I don't know where "tracking down" is coming from.
No need to get all paranoid, it's just a public Facebook link, you are just being ignorant and unecessarIy scared.

Easy with the names, your tribe is no better because as far as I can remember, there are cultists, rapists and ritualists littered everywhere in yorubaland and other parts of Nigeria. Be wise with your words and stop being unecessarily mischievous because you are beginning to sound like a child each day that passes by. ENJOY!!

Edeyoung:



Not you, the proposal is for Truthshots2
I will brief you on the proposal, i am planning to go on goggles and expose the truth between the Benin and ife myth to everyone that it was political staged by our elites



Lol, again anybody can fool you, even your fathers, kings are humans too, it wasnt the intention for our oba to fool us but as we nay have it he did unintentionally


The Benin-ife myth was formed by oba ewwka 11 and the ooni at that time, oba eweka who was recovery from the devasting war which brought benin down was reinstalled as oba in 1914,
After amalgamation everytribe was aligning
An oba eweka aligned with ooni of ife for political
Support and they welcome him as a yoruba son and created the ormoiyan myth to falsely connect him historically, obs eweka didn't mind his position in the myth as a younger one tp alafin and ooni od ife...


Please visit my profile for more tired of typing

Again the yoruba people never came from one ancestry

If you want to know more personally
Contact me on telegram
https:///anthemblanchard

And also visit gregyboy profile on nairaland to read more

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Fezz:


Did you just say "track down"?.. Lol.
The funny part is, you don't have to login or register on facebook before you view the content, so I don't know where "tracking down" is coming from.
No need to get all paranoid, it's just a public Facebook link, you are just being ignorant and unecessarIy scared.

Easy with the names, your tribe is no better because as far as I can remember, there are cultists, rapists and ritualists littered everywhere in yorubaland and other parts of Nigeria. Be wise with your words and stop being u necessarily mischievous because you are beginning to sound like a child each day that passes by. ENJOY!!

"yoruba" of today is not a tribe. The only true yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom.
"yoruba" of today is a mix up of many groups of people whom have no link with eachother:

1) the real yoruba (oyo people)
2) slave descendants (more than majority of the yorubas of today)
3) some dahomians
4) the jebu
5) some brainwashed Edo
6) ...

Notice one thing: the jebu used to consider the yoruba as inferior human beings and occasionally threatened to attack one yoruba settlement or the other. The same jebu paid tribute to the Oba of Benin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

Truthshots2:


"yoruba" of today is not s tribe. The only true yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom.
"yoruba" of today is a mix up of many groups of people whom have no link with eachother:

1) the real yoruba (oyo people)
2) slave descendants (more than majority of the yorubas of today)
3) some dahomians
4) the jebu
5) some brainwashed Edo
6) ...

Notice one thing: the jebu used to consider the yoruba as inferior human beings and occasionally threatened to attack one Yoruba settlement or the other. The same jebu paid tribute to the Oba of Benin.

I agree with you. The difference between the Benins and the yoruba is this, the Benins come from one stock and are all connected by blood while the yorubas are connected via a centralised language derived from oyo but they are actually a mix of different people brought together for political purpose.

Fezz:


This link isn't responding

Text me on whatsapp then 0*8'1*1*3*0*5*6*4*6*9 i will be waiting for your message, every edo deserve to know the truth behind this political myth

And why its always not adding up, there is much to explain to you

For you to understand this you must be vast in yoruba history and benin history too

Edeyoung:



I cursed her to be obsessively go retard over benin history.... She is already...

She is the only yoruba lurking around... Because her obsessive ego won't let her quit...

She/he has medical problems which only psychiatrists can solve. Mental illness is not a joke. He/she needs to see the best psychiatrists.

Juliusmalema:


I don't know any truth and I am not trolling you guys.

we are only putting u people to where u guys rightly belongs to inorder to avoid future friction incase Nigeria ceases to exist..

Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Julius! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE

UGBE634:
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Julius! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE

If you say...I am always at peace with good submission devoid of intrusion or extension.

UGBE634:
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Julius! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE

Nice one

Edeyoung:




Lol, ask the ceossdresser we have dwelt with all this japper japper


Nonsense talk

I agree benin is a yoruba derived word


The nsne Benin was given by the itsekiri who was trying to describe Benin people to the Portuguese they meant at the shores st their arrival


And not the bin exited idol called ormoiyan


Ooni of ife is not the father of Yorubas unless you want ti prove otherwise i wilk give you the chance to.....


Lastly provide me 1400 to 1800 written documents from europeans in Benin that mentioned ife, ormoiyan, Oduduwa, on their record in Benin as evidence such invent ever occurred



Lastly the word oba is indigenous to Benin we brought it to the Yorubas as a result of our military conquest into their lands thats why they have it as second title after their original title

You are talking about Europeans while I’m telling you the history of creation before the Europeans were formed

Jagunlabiodua:


You are talking about Europeans while I’m telling you the history of creation before the Europeans were formed

Oh, I see, you are a "prophet" ?...

UGBE634:
Gambia is just about ten thousand kilometre2, about the same size as Edo south with even a lesser population to Edo south. We will stand ALONE and will not be under any group. Benin is over ten times Bigger than Singapore! haba Julius! don't be a fool, from one end of the kingdom to another like URHONIGBE to EHOR to EKIADOLOR to OKADA To ABUDU to IGUOBAZUWA TO UGHOTON, UDO, USEN, haba we are big enough and we will stand ALONE

nice one man!!!


removing Edo Central and North from it


Edo south is even big enough to become a nation of her own

there are many countries of the world today that is not up to Edo south alone

KingOKON:
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Lizards like praising themselves!
So Oranmiyan in your history is as good as real, the Ooni must have some special powers than just like Sango then, the god thunder ( Omo yeye de smell)
If there is any group which history is loaded with truckload of garbage is yours, I have never seen were the the coronation of the Oba is debated or fiasco is involved but is it the emergence of the Oba of Lagos or that of the Ooni and later who will the be wife.
Common sense discourse is what I called for and not some educated jargons being profess by one Bobrisky, whatever rubbish you think you know is limited in your oduduwa enclaves just don't think you know any shit and can educate anyone with your ewedu mentality

Oduduwa came from the sky, Africa is the place humans were formed, the other accounts of creation is nonsense, you evolved from animals? I doubt that. Oduduwa was an Alien who came to earth to create humans and Africa ILE IFE precisely was the point of creation, any other account is counterproductive and fake.

Jagunlabiodua:


You are talking about Europeans while I’m telling you the history of creation before the Europeans were formed

Oga go sitdown,

Bini talked about everything to the europeans they were ethnographers who constantly visited the oba palace on regular bases

Am grounded on benin history am even doubting if youre grounded on yoruba history


See there is nothing you can tell me on Benin history...


The benin mentioned their origin and migration to the europeans, which they pointed toward the middle belt


They mentioned eweka, ogiso and ormoiyan wasnt mentioned, how would they mention eweka 1st and skip ormoiyan if truly it wasnt a false history made up recently


If you insist benin and ife had a connection you claim back it with historical acheological evidence connecting both places this achaeological evidence should date from 1100 to date....

If you cant go and take sniper and fuckoff....

Truthshots2:
[s]What is it with you and fairytales ? Are we all in the 21st century ? Some of you are stuck in the olden days when Africans were gullible.Look, there is no historical connection between Benin empire and Ife village.Also oduduwa was created by awolowo !Even the statue of oduduwa is actually a statue of awolowo !Please start using your brains !How come awolowo manages to dupe you guys right from the grave ? Who gets duped by a dead man ?And please stop creating your own story in your head, history is an investigative work based on eyewitness written documents, it is not s science fiction which you conjure in your head.The son of Oba Ovonramwen, Oba Eweka2 was already trying to leave the western region, his son Oba Akenzua 2 was to achieve it.We never saw the "yorubas" as our brothers and they never saw us as their brothers. Awolowo tried to create an artificial "yoruba" tribe through fairytales for his political ambitions, the Oba of Benin didn't want any part of it.[/s]

What can be asserted without evidence can also be debunked without evidence. ~ Hitchens’s Razor.

For a Bini man to give up falsehood, he must not only be disgraced; he must be terribly disgraced publicly and repeatedly without an atom of mercy.

Also: “What can be asserted without evidence can also be debunked without evidence.” ~ Hitchens’s Razor.

This quotation applies to your heap of jibber-jabber in your comment here.

Truthshots2:
[s]"yoruba" of today is not a tribe. The only true yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom."yoruba" of today is a mix up of many groups of people whom have no link with eachother:
1) the real yoruba (oyo people)
2) slave descendants (more than majority of the yorubas of today)
3) some dahomians
4) the jebu
5) some brainwashed Edo
6) ...
Notice one thing: the jebu used to consider the yoruba as inferior human beings and occasionally threatened to attack one yoruba settlement or the other. The same jebu paid tribute to the Oba of Benin.[/s]

Truthshots2:
https://youtu.be/IIporKrPsbU

In other words, both your claims and your video are false and have been debunked by myself time and time again using classical writings:

(1) There is no evidence for your falsehood that only Oyo people are Yorubas. A popular but false claim without any evidence whatsoever.

(2) Your video claims that the name “Yoruba” was first birthed as a group name in the 1800s.

This claim is actually debunked by the classical writings (of Ahmad Baba) from the early 1600s.

(3) The Evidence:
The embedded manuscript below (of Ahmad Baba) lists the name “Yoruba” (in the year 1615) among the names of some other West African ethnic groups.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934148_5117c6d550154217817d7c66b5fa0fe6_jpeg_jpeg2a73d5172c14cf7a7da91ff200688e3e

Below is an expert translation of the relevant section of this manuscript.

This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934147_3336ed29985b499e82c4e140b455b9fa_jpeg_jpeg62ecafabb59c692d4ba471597fdf16bb

(4) We know this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because Baba penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

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The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

(5) In sum, your falsehood turns out to be a pain borne out of your frustration of being a minority.

Yes, the minority complex syndrome is a real thing. But you have a lifetime to deal with that.

Cheers!

Cc: Fezz, theTranslator

davidnazee:
[s]Donkress u are still here arguing Edo history.. I told u before, you will spend all your life arguing history you can't change..No worry, your grandchildren will one day ask you if Great Benin conquered yoruba.. you can save your long epistles for them.[/s]

A very dumb and poor attempt at reverse psychology.

Please find another method of begging me to stop debunking Benin falsehood.

I love debunking Benin lies. It is my favorite pastime.

Ntor!

Fezz:
[s]I agree with you. The difference between the Benins and the yoruba is this, the Benins come from one stock and are all connected by blood while the yorubas are connected via a centralised language derived from oyo but they are actually a mix of different people brought together for political purpose[/s]

The minority complex syndrome which led to their inferiority complex is still strongly at work.

I pray you all outgrow this inferiority complex someday. And if you don’t, some of your unborn generations certainly will.

Having said that: “Whatever can be asserted without evidence can likewise be debunked without evidence.” ~ Hitchens’s Razor.

This quotation is for the heap of falsehood you have dumbed above.