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Kobojunkiee:
Ok, so what is God's righteousness that one must first find in order that one may then receive from God, all that one asks of Him?

Walking in the Spirit is attaining God’s righteousness. That’s the summary of the matter

OkCornel:
Walking in the Spirit is attaining God’s righteousness. That’s the summary of the matter

Can you please be a lot less ambiguous here please?

Kobojunkiee:
Can you please be a lot unambiguous here please?

If you walk in the Spirit (trust and obey the Spirit of God consistently), you will bear fruits such as love, joy, peace, self-control, meekness etc. That’s the righteousness of God.

Basically, these are the fruits of repentance and obedience.

A tree is judged by the fruits it bears...

OkCornel:
If you walk in the Spirit (trust and obey the Spirit of God consistently), you will bear fruits such as love, joy, peace, self-control, meekness etc. That’s the righteousness of God.

Basically, these are the fruits of repentance and obedience.

A tree is judged by the fruits it bears...

But even in the Old Covenant, God's righteousness was not to be confused with Holiness which came with trusting in and obeying the Law. The law, it seems, was meant to make man Holy, righteousness only came by doing the Will of God, in addition to trusting and obeying the Law.

Lets take a look as works attributed to the Righteous, in Ezekiel 18, where God declares that only the Righteous shall live (have eternal life) while the soul that sins must die(perish in the grave). If you read through some of the verses in that chapter, you find that God is specific where it comes to the deeds done by those righteous. These deeds are themselves however not directly listed in the Old Covenant Law. So, where does this come from and how can a one who accepts and obeys the Law know that indeed this is what God expects from those who will seek God's Righteousness?

In the New Covenant, we find the 6 works of Righteousness listed in Matthew 25 vs 31-40, but these works are barely mentioned anywhere else in Jesus Christ's teachings except one pays very close attention to the language and details used in some of His teachings. So how does a one who has obeyed the commandments and realized perfection/holiness through his obedience then find God's Righteousness?

As for the fruits you listed there as fruits of the Spirit, I don't believe that is anything of what Jesus Christ taught. For one, Jesus Christ was not meek, nor did He have self-control..... He said instead that He was gentle and humble at heart, not so much in personality though, given the many bouts He had with the Pharisees, it is hard to see Him as being meek and having what we consider Self-control. Not saying He was not controlled but I doubt He was self-controlled.

Kobojunkiee:
But even in the Old Covenant, God's righteousness was not to be confused with Holiness which came with trusting in and obeying the Law. The law, it seems, was meant to make man Holy, righteousness only came by doing the Will of God, in addition to trusting and obeying the Law.

Lets take a look as works attributed to the Righteous, in Ezekiel 18, where God declares that only the Righteous shall live (have eternal life) while the soul that sins must die(perish in the grave). If you read through some of the verses in that chapter, you find that God is specific where it comes to the deeds done by those righteous. These deeds are themselves however not directly listed in the Old Covenant Law. So, where does this come from and how can a one who accepts and obeys the Law know that indeed this is what God expects from those who will seek God's Righteousness?

In the New Covenant, we find the 6 works of Righteousness listed in Matthew 25 vs 31-40, but these works are barely mentioned anywhere else in Jesus Christ's teachings except one pays very close attention to the language and details used in some of His teachings. So how does a one who has obeyed the commandments and realized perfection/holiness through his obedience then find God's Righteousness?

As for the fruits you listed there as fruits of the Spirit, I don't believe that is anything of what Jesus Christ taught. For one, Jesus Christ was not meek, nor did He have self-control..... He said instead that He was gentle and humble at heart, not so much in personality though, given the many bouts He had with the Pharisees, it is hard to see Him as being meek and having what we consider Self-control.

If you walk in the Spirit, your thoughts and actions will align with the will of the I AM.

For as many are led by the Spirit, they are the sons of God.

Jesus did all he did (following the will of the Father) because he was led by the Spirit. For example, the Spirit of the LORD led him into the wilderness to fast.

OkCornel:
If you walk in the Spirit, your thoughts and actions will align with the will of the I AM.

For as many are led by the Spirit, they are the sons of God.

Jesus did all he did (following the will of the Father) because he was led by the Spirit. For example, the Spirit of the LORD led him into the wilderness to fast.

Jesus Christ did all He did according to the Will of God, obeying the Law even as He obeyed His Father's Will. Obviously, when He was led to fast in the wilderness, walk on the sea and die on the cross.. all that had nothing to do with the Law(New or Old) but the Will of God. But those acts did not amount to Righteousness either, not according to what Jesus Christ taught His followers either.

Now if you will recall, Jesus Christ said to Seek/Find God's righteousness, this after finding God's Kingdom, leading me to believe that not everything one does entails God's righteousness. And according to Jesus Christ, even after one becomes a Son of God, one must need to continue trusting and obeying His teachings and commandments for He, Jesus Christ to abide in such. and eventually for the Spirit of God to come and live in such a one too.

I am thinking out loud here...

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ did all He did according to the Will of God, obeying the Law even as He obeyed His Father's Will. Obviously, when He was led to fast in the wilderness, walk on the sea and die on the cross.. all that had nothing to do with the Law(New or Old) but the Will of God. But those acts did not amount to Righteousness either, not according to what Jesus Christ taught His followers either.

Now if you will recall, Jesus Christ said to Seek/Find God's righteousness, this after finding God's Kingdom, leading me to believe that not everything one does entails God's righteousness. And according to Jesus Christ, even after one becomes a Son of God, one must need to continue trusting and obeying His teachings and commandments for He, Jesus Christ to abide in such. and eventually for the Spirit of God to come and live in such a one too.

I am thinking out loud here...

We’re saying the same thing bro. Those who walk in the Spirit are those who TRUST & OBEY the LORD.

Trust + Obedience = Living Faith.

And the just shall live by faith.

This is the righteousness of God.

OkCornel:
We’re saying the same thing bro. Those who walk in the Spirit are those who TRUST & OBEY the LORD.

Trust + Obedience = Living Faith.

And the just shall live by faith.

This is the righteousness of God.

I know what you are saying but I am saying that when it comes to God's Righteousness, it is more than just about Faith...hence the reason why we are to seek/find it. Separate from the Kingdom of God.

So, as a believer, you submit to trusting and obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ(the Kingdom of God) on order to become a Son of God(Holiness)/Servant of God... as you continue ....there is s reason why Jesus Christ said to Seek God's Righteousness and that reason maybe the key to the mystery of how Holiness differs from God's Righteousness .