If you don't pay TITHES AND OFFERING you are a thief and you are robbing God
MALACHI 3:8-12

And if you pay,is not longer your money/resources therefore whatever the TITHE is used for in the church does not concerns you

Since you have paid,you have obeyed the word of God and you are entitled to God's blessings pronounced for tither.

If pastors misuses it, Is between them and God for judgement and not you

If you are truly a Christian then you should believe every part of the scriptures and do your best to obey the scripture which is the word of God

THANK YOU ALL

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONTRARY PLS BACK IT UP WITH SCRIPTURE ELSE, IS NOT LONGER A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.

Correction, you can not just quote the old testament out of context. Malachi was the era before Christ. Which means the practices where from the early fathers Moses.

Secondly, the tithes referred to in the passage has nothing to do with money. The bible never made it compulsory to give the church money except at the time when David was building the temple.

Let people give what they want. The only thing we owe God is our obedience to his laws. Afterall, he said obedience is better than sacrifice.

God does not need our money, he doesn't want it. He cannot even live in a building built by the hands of men. Tell your greedy pastors to stop threatening their members with Malachi. If you are a good priest or pastor, you will never hunger.

God will direct people to bring food to your table so long you are doing his work. Many pastors have given testimony of this. Thank you.

Angelmichael63:
If you don't pay TITHES AND OFFERING you are a thief and you are robbing God
MALACHI 3:8-12

And if you pay,is not longer your money/resources therefore whatever the TITHE is used for in the church does not concerns you

Since you have paid,you have obeyed the word of God and you are entitled to God's blessings pronounced for tither.

If pastors misuses it, Is between them and God for judgement and not you

If you are truly a Christian then you should believe every part of the scriptures and do your best to obey the scripture which is the word of God

THANK YOU ALL

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING CONTRARY PLS BACK IT UP WITH SCRIPTURE ELSE, IS NOT LONGER A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.

If you can show one gentile Christian in the scriptures that paid tithe and kept the laws of Moses, then we can discuss.

Read Acts 15 and clear up this misunderstanding on tithing and by extension other laws of Moses once and for all.

Tithes and offerings are eternal principle. You cant give offerings and neglect the other and others as well . Such as alms for the poor

petra1:
Tithes and offerings are eternal principle. You cant give offerings and neglect the other and others as well . Such as alms for the poor

Did Job (an Old Testament gentile) follow this “eternal principle”?

Can you show examples of gentile Christians in the scriptures that followed this “eternal principle”?

Did the Apostles encourage gentile Christians to also keep to this “eternal principle” in Acts 15?

El Elohe Yahshrael!


Actually, anyone who, in the name of preaching the Good News of the Kingdom, asks for tithe from anybody today, after the death and resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah, is a thief and such an individual is robbing others.


No saint, servant or messenger of Yahushua the Messiah has any iota of doubt when it comes to the fact that tithe and the laws that govern it have long ended.

Like I always I say, nothing gives anyone the right to feel entitled to the money of others in name of preaching the Good News.


You need to define tithe. Highlight the essence of tithe. Don't just pick Malachi 3 and twist it to enrich yourself.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu Yah!

OkCornel:

Did the Apostles encourage gentile Christians to also keep to this “eternal principle” in Acts 15?

SEE THE PARALLEL
Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

petra1:


SEE THE PARALLEL
Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Hebrews 13 v 10;
We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle HAVE NO RIGHT TO EAT.

Include Hebrews 13 v 10 in your parallel, and then show us;

1. Examples of gentile Christians in the scriptures that tithed, especially after the Jerusalem council that held in Acts 15.

2. Show us where Job (an Old Testament gentile) also tithed.

3. While at it, also show us where the Israelites tithed in exile while they were at Babylon & Assyria (just to let you know tithe was strictly crops and livestock grown in Israel only according to the Mosaic Law)

4. Per Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29; where and when did God change the standard of tithe from crops and livestock back then to money today?

petra1:


SEE THE PARALLEL
Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

2 Thessalonians 3:8- neither did we eat any man’s bread for naught, but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you

1 Thessalonians 2:9- Don’t you remember, dear brothers and sisters, how hard we worked among you? Night and day we toiled to earn a living so that we would not be a burden to any of you as we preached God’s Good News to you.


The fact that most pastors emphasise on monetary tithes without teaching that there are various types of tithes (tithes for the poor, for the widows, for the levites, for land increase etc)and the 7th year free tithe period, makes we wonder which God they serve.

oluwaahmed:


2 Thessalonians 3:8- neither did we eat any man’s bread for naught, but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you

1 Thessalonians 2:9- Don’t you remember, dear brothers and sisters, how hard we worked among you? Night and day we toiled to earn a living so that we would not be a burden to any of you as we preached God’s Good News to you.


The fact that most pastors emphasise on monetary tithes without teaching that there are various types of tithes (tithes for the poor, for the widows, for the levites, for land increase etc)and the 7th year free tithe period, makes we wonder which God they serve.

Their god is mammon. They twist the scriptures to let you know who they truly serve. And Jesus sees through that fraud and charade, lol.

Matthew 6 v 24;
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.


Some people think they can serve God and still have their hearts set on money and possessions, lmao. Bling bling tithe loving Pastors

Don’t get me wrong o, I’m not against giving to church if it’s done out of a cheerful heart and you’re led by the Spirit to do so.

No one should compel or deceive people into parting with their money. Those that twist the scriptures to extort money from people have a special judgment waiting for them... for perverting the truth just as the devil usually does.

oluwaahmed:


2 Thessalonians 3:8- neither did we eat any man’s bread for naught, but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you

1 Thessalonians 2:9- Don’t you remember, dear brothers and sisters, how hard we worked among you? Night and day we toiled to earn a living so that we would not be a burden to any of you as we preached God’s Good News to you.

Paul waived his right because of the carnality of some people. Not because he is not entitled to . He personally made that choice

1 Corinthians 9:11
Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink?

The fact that most pastors emphasise on monetary tithes without teaching that there are various types of tithes (tithes for the poor, for the widows, for the levites, for land increase etc)and the 7th year free tithe period, makes we wonder which God they serve.

They had 3 tithes under the law.

The tithe to the lord
The tithes for the poor
The tithe for recreation

It doesn't matter what structure they had under the law. It was for the jews . It's only for reference purpose.

Tithe as a principle existed before the law . We are not tithing based on the law but by faith which is connected to abrahamic covenant.

petra1:


Paul waived his right because of the carnality of some people. Not because he is not entitled to . He personally made that choice

1 Corinthians 9:11
Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink?





They had 3 tithes under the law.

The tithe to the lord
The tithes for the poor
The tithe for recreation

It doesn't matter what structure they had under the law. It was for the jews . It's only for reference purpose.

Tithe as a principle existed before the law . We are not tithing based on the law but by faith which is connected to abrahamic covenant.

1. How many times did Abraham tithe?

2. Did Abraham tithe out of anything else asides the warspoils he returned to the owners after he gave a tenth to Melchizedek?

3. Can you show us examples of Gentile Christians in the scriptures that “tithed by faith”? Especially after the Jerusalem council in Acts 15...

Also patiently awaiting your response to Hebrews 13 v 10.

It’s funny how people don’t want to rightfully divide the word of truth. They want to mix up Abraham’s one off tithe of warspoils with the regular tithing under the Mosaic Law, which is quite hilarious to be honest.

Paying tithe is necessary, not only because some churches misuse it, but it helps with payment of workers, keeping the church programmes running etc, and it's money that does this, not crops or food etc.

Also paying tithe (giving 10% of income) shows that money cannot control you, you still have God over your life and you respect and fear him. You know it's not easy to part with hard-earned money, but giving out 10% monthly shows you reverence God.

Also, like the Bible said ,"it's more blessed to give than to receive", and also, "give and it shall be given unto you"... This are Godly and financial principles that releases heavenly blessings upon the given, and especially as St Paul rightly said, "Do good unto all men, especially those that are of the house of God". In Malachi, we also see the blessings that follow those that pay tithe.


Finally, let's know tithe is not by force... If you know what God does for you, pay your Tithes... However paying of tithe doesn't make one right with God, and therefore is not the most important thing in God's Salvation agenda

2 Corinthians 9 v 7;

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


You can give above 10% , 10% or above 10% of your money, time, possessions or whatever God lays on your heart, and do it cheerfully, not under compulsion or deceit. This is the standard in the new covenant.

It’s more flexible than tithing because tithing under the law is fixed at 10% and is strictly on crops and livestock grown in the promised land (Israel) only.

obonujoker:
Paying tithe is necessary, not only because some churches misuse it, but it helps with payment of workers, keeping the church programmes running etc, and it's money that does this, not crops or food etc.

Also paying tithe (giving 10% of income) shows that money cannot control you, you still have God over your life and you respect and fear him. You know it's not easy to part with hard-earned money, but giving out 10% monthly shows you reverence God.

Also, like the Bible said ,"it's more blessed to give than to receive", and also, "give and it shall be given unto you"... This are Godly and financial principles that releases heavenly blessings upon the given, and especially as St Paul rightly said, "Do good unto all men, especially those that are of the house of God". In Malachi, we also see the blessings that follow those that pay tithe.


Finally, let's know tithe is not by force... If you know what God does for you, pay your Tithes... However paying of tithe doesn't make one right with God, and therefore is not the most important thing in God's Salvation agenda

Lemme clarify something. If there’s no money, that means the church Jesus established on the rock (Peter) will shut down? Can mammon or a lack of it prevail against the church?

I’m just asking per the comment you made in the first paragraph.

OkCornel:


Lemme clarify something. If there’s no money, that means the church Jesus established on the rock (Peter) will shut down? Can mammon or a lack of it prevail against the church?

I’m just asking per the comment you made in the first paragraph.

No it won't shut down Sir.... However Sir you can't deny the importance of money in running affairs of a corporation...i.e payment of workers, purchasing fuel, paying bills and taxes, helping the less privileged and widows etc... It's just a shame many pastors use it to enrich themselves... If a church uses the tithe the way it's supposed to be used, then the blessings would go round all the church.....

OkCornel:
2 Corinthians 9 v 7;

Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


You can give above 10% , 10% or above 10% of your money, time, possessions or whatever God lays on your heart, and do it cheerfully, not under compulsion or deceit. This is the standard in the new covenant.

It’s more flexible than tithing because tithing under the law is fixed at 10% and is strictly on crops and livestock grown in the promised land (Israel) only.

True as well....it shouldn't be a compulsion

petra1:


Paul waived his right because of the carnality of some people. Not because he is not entitled to . He personally made that choice

1 Corinthians 9:11
Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink?





They had 3 tithes under the law.

The tithe to the lord
The tithes for the poor
The tithe for recreation

It doesn't matter what structure they had under the law. It was for the jews . It's only for reference purpose.

Tithe as a principle existed before the law . We are not tithing based on the law but by faith which is connected to abrahamic covenant.

Ok so you don't take the structure of tithing because it was for the Jews but u take tithes anyway that was also for the Jews? U see how contradictory and corrupt you sound?

We are not tithing based on the law but by faith which is connected to abrahamic covenant.

But Jesus is the new Covenant Heb 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9: 15- Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Heb 8:7-8 - For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
This is the covenant that God himself told jeremiah about
Jeremiah 31:31-32 Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.

The question i would like you and all your tithing pastors to answer is why would you go back to an old covenant that God himself had to modify for the benefit of mankind? Why decide to be under the law rather than the Grace of God through our Lord Yeshua? Pls study your Bible lest your pastors lead you to eternal damnation.

obonujoker:


No it won't shut down Sir.... However Sir you can't deny the importance of money in running affairs of a corporation...i.e payment of workers, purchasing fuel, paying bills and taxes, helping the less privileged and widows etc... It's just a shame many pastors use it to enrich themselves... If a church uses the tithe the way it's supposed to be used, then the blessings would go round all the church.....

I understand you my brother. I see beyond the money though.

Jehovah Jireh is the one who sustains His church (note, not man’s church we see littered everywhere which is nothing really close to the early church) whether there’s money or no money.

Some people make the mistake of limiting God to money, which is what I was trying to clarify from the first paragraph in your earlier post.

If true worshipers seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness, everything else will be sorted. God never leaves His own stranded. Sadly, people place more faith in money than they do in God. Hence, they’ll go to any lengths to twist scriptures just to extort money from ignorant people.

oluwaahmed:


Ok so you don't take the structure of tithing because it was for the Jews but u take tithes anyway that was also for the Jews? U see how contradictory and corrupt you sound?

We are not tithing based on the law but by faith which is connected to abrahamic covenant.

But Jesus is the new Covenant Heb 8:13 - In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9: 15- Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Heb 8:7-8 - Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
This is the covenant that God himself told jeremiah about
Jeremiah 31:31-32 Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.

The question i would like you and all your tithing pastors to answer is why would you go back to an old covenant that God himself had to modify for the benefit of mankind? Why decide to be under the law rather than the Grace of God through our Lord Yeshua? Pls study your Bible lest your pastors lead you to eternal damnation.

Breaking news! these monetary tithe loving pastors seem to forget God no longer dwells in temples made by human hands. Their excuse is they collect tithes to maintain these temples (physical structures) God no longer dwell in.

Acts 7 v 48-50;
48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?
50 Has not my hand made all these things?

Acts 17 v 24-25;
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else

OkCornel:



Breaking news! these monetary tithe loving pastors seem to forget God no longer dwells in temples made by human hands. Their excuse is they collect tithes to maintain these temples (physical structures) God no longer dwell in.

Acts 7 v 48-50;
48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?
50 Has not my hand made all these things?

Acts 17 v 24-25;
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else

My brother they are only deceiving their sunday-sunday brothers who don't read their bible. Why its painful is that they are deliberately leading them to damnation without them even knowing.

1. Only the Priest, a Levite of the House of Israel was authorized to take tithes from the people. No Pastor, Bishop, Evangelist, apostle, prophet ever collected tithes because they were not authorized to do so by The Most High. (Nehemiah 10:37-38)

2. Since temple worship has ceased, so has Tithe and Firstfruit collection ceased until the Saviour returns, who will restore the priesthood and temple worship.

3. Tithes and firstfruits were received from only Israelites only at the place YAH chose to put his name, the temple in Jerusalem. (Deut 14:23, 2Chron 6:6)

4. Only landowners who grew crops and livestock tithed of their harvest, the Savior who was a carpenter couldn't have paid tithes. (Leviticus 27:30,32)

5. Money was not given as tithe. Tithes were in seeds, fruits, livestock, and other agricultural produce. You were penalized for bringing money as the tithe. (Leviticus 27:30-32)

6. The tither, together with the fatherless, the widows, the stranger, and the Levite (who had no land, or business) all came to the temple to eat the tithe and be satisfied. (Deut 14:23,29)

7. FIRSTFRUITS... that one is a whole new level of fraud.

8. Did Abraham and Jacob pay tithes as Christians do today?

These and many more in this video for those who love to know and walk in truth. For those who will continue in this deceit, there is a warning for you.

#AwakeOIsrael


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVX90LJe_7k

donnie:
1. Only the Priest, a Levite of the House of Israel was authorized to take tithes from the people. No Pastor, Bishop, Evangelist, apostle, prophet ever collected tithes because they were not authorized to do so by The Most High. (Nehemiah 10:37-38)

2. Since temple worship has ceased, so has Tithe and Firstfruit collection ceased until the Saviour returns, who will restore the priesthood and temple worship.

3. Tithes and firstfruits were received from only Israelites only at the place YAH chose to put his name, the temple in Jerusalem. (Deut 14:23, 2Chron 6:6)

4. Only landowners who grew crops and livestock tithed of their harvest, the Savior who was a carpenter couldn't have paid tithes. (Leviticus 27:30,32)

5. Money was not given as tithe. Tithes were in seeds, fruits, livestock, and other agricultural produce. You were penalized for bringing money as the tithe. (Leviticus 27:30-32)

6. The tither, together with the fatherless, the widows, the stranger, and the Levite (who had no land, or business) all came to the temple to eat the tithe and be satisfied. (Deut 14:23,29)

7. FIRSTFRUITS... that one is a whole new level of fraud.

8. Did Abraham and Jacob pay tithes as Christians do today?

These and many more in this video for those who love to know and walk in truth. For those who will continue in this deceit, there is a warning for you.

#AwakeOIsrael


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVX90LJe_7k

Thanks Donnie, you’re spot on with these points on tithing.

I’ll watch the video as well. Thanks for this.

As good as paying tithe is, emphasis laid on it these days is uncalled for. While Jesus was speaking against the attitudes of the pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23:23, He said, 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone'. There are a lot more important issues calling for the attention of the church other than payment of tithe. Words like 'if you don't pay tithe, things will be tight', 'you are under curse if you don't pay tithe' and many others are not of the Lord. Ministers of God who crave for tithe are not looking unto God for their sufficiency but unto men making them come up with different means of making a merchandise of their flock.

I recently started paying tithe not because I was compelled by anybody or anything but out of my desire to trust God absolutely, finance included. This idea arose from the place of improved fellowship I'm having with Him. Financial trust and reliance in God can be shown through several means but I chose tithe and giving for obvious reason. It's borne out of my desire to give back to Him from what He gave to me. I feel good that way. Church should rather desire the spiritual growth of members. This brings spiritual understanding. For me, it is not a sin if you don't pay tithe. However, one likely may not be privileged to have the benefits attached to the principle behind tithing.

Omotakins:
As good as paying tithe is, emphasis laid on it these days is uncalled for. While Jesus was speaking against the attitudes of the pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23:23, He said, 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone'. There are a lot more important issues calling for the attention of the church other than payment of tithe. Words like 'if you don't pay tithe, things will be tight', 'you are under curse if you don't pay tithe' and many others are not of the Lord. Ministers of God who crave for tithe are not looking unto God for their sufficiency but unto men making them come up with different means of making a merchandise of their flock.

I recently started paying tithe not because I was compelled by anybody or anything but out of my desire to trust God absolutely, finance included. This idea arose from the place of improved fellowship I'm having with Him. Financial trust and reliance in God can be shown through several means but I chose tithe and giving for obvious reason. It's borne out of my desire to give back to Him from what He gave to me. I feel good that way. Church should rather desire the spiritual growth of members. This brings spiritual understanding. For me, it is not a sin if you don't pay tithe. However, one likely may not be privileged to have the benefits attached to the principle behind tithing.

God bless you brother. This is the right mentality to have. Giving out of love, not compulsion or with the mindset of “God must bless me” if I tithe.

If you give unconditionally, it moves God to move mountains one way or the other your life, because that giving is done from a righteous and pure heart. I have countless testimonies in my life and that of my friends to confirm this.

May the Almighty bless you for this truth you posted today.

OkCornel:


God bless you brother. This is the right mentality to have. Giving out of love, not compulsion or with the mindset of “God must bless me” if I tithe.

If you give unconditionally, it moves God to move mountains one way or the other your life, because that giving is done from a righteous and pure heart. I have countless testimonies in my life and that of my friends to confirm this.

May the Almighty bless you for this truth you posted today.

amen, bro. May the good Lord help us to stay grounded in His truth.

Omotakins:
As good as paying tithe is, emphasis laid on it these days is uncalled for. While Jesus was speaking against the attitudes of the pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23:23, He said, 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone'. There are a lot more important issues calling for the attention of the church other than payment of tithe. Words like 'if you don't pay tithe, things will be tight', 'you are under curse if you don't pay tithe' and many others are not of the Lord. Ministers of God who crave for tithe are not looking unto God for their sufficiency but unto men making them come up with different means of making a merchandise of their flock.

I recently started paying tithe not because I was compelled by anybody or anything but out of my desire to trust God absolutely, finance included. This idea arose from the place of improved fellowship I'm having with Him. Financial trust and reliance in God can be shown through several means but I chose tithe and giving for obvious reason. It's borne out of my desire to give back to Him from what He gave to me. I feel good that way. Church should rather desire the spiritual growth of members. This brings spiritual understanding. For me, it is not a sin if you don't pay tithe. However, one likely may not be privileged to have the benefits attached to the principle behind tithing.

Am I to understand that you are still paying tithes to a church then? Or are you saying you give a tithes to your neighbor and anyone(person, not organization) or asks you for something?

I ask because there is a lot of what I call "worthless worshipping" going on with a majority of Christian's out there, worship/service that has nothing to do with obeying the actual comandments/rules that God has laid out for His followers to obey and so they amount to nothing where God is concerned.

God, through Jesus Christ, stipulated exactly what we are to give and to whom we are to give it. Also, God never stipulated that you give only a 10th and He never suggested a frequency to this giving He commands. Any worship or service that deviates from that which God has stipulated becomes worthless and meaningless to God. Worse, the following of such commandments/ideas of men are declared by God as being against Him.

OkCornel:
Don’t get me wrong o, I’m not against giving to church if it’s done out of a cheerful heart and you’re led by the Spirit to do so.

No one should compel or deceive people into parting with their money. Those that twist the scriptures to extort money from people have a special judgment waiting for them... for perverting the truth just as the devil usually does.

Did Jesus Christ ask that we give money to a church(business)?

No, He instead said we should give to our neighbor, which your church(business) is nothing of. He even went as far as to make it clear that you should take care of those brothers who are least - less than you are. So, again, He clearly does not command you give to your churches(busineses).

Kobojunkiee:
Did Jesus Christ ask that we give money to a church(business)?

No, He instead said we should give to our neighbor, which your church(business) is nothing of. He even went as far as to make it clear that you should take care of those brothers who are least - less than you are. So, again, He clearly does not command you give to your churches(busineses).

If the Holy Spirit gives someone an instruction to give money to a Pastor or support his ministry, and it’s very clear it’s the Holy Spirit after testing the Spirits...should the person disobey?

Remember the God fearing Pastor (not the mammon hungry ones) is also your brother isn’t it?

OkCornel:

If the Holy Spirit gives someone an instruction to give money to a Pastor or support his ministry, and it’s very clear it’s the Holy Spirit after testing the Spirits...should the person disobey?

Remember the God fearing Pastor (not the mammon hungry ones) is also your brother isn’t it?

The Spirit of God is bound to the teachings of Jesus Christ and so He will never go against the very rules set by God Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ - in anything. This fact needs to be clear so one is not easily deceived by the numerous spirits out there... Jesus Christ warned us about them too.

First of all, God is against anyone who installs himself as a pastor/shepherd over his flock. So your "God fearing" pastor is against God. Can sin be of God?

Jesus Christ said that those who love Him are those who obey His teachings/commandments, meaning that those who live in disobedience are not of Him and He does not live inside of them. In john 8, He outright declares that those who are still bound to sin are of their father, the devil!

My question to you is can Jesus Christ be right and at the same time wrong about these things?

Kobojunkiee:
The Spirit of God is bound to the teachings of Jesus Christ and so He will never go against the very rules set by God Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ - in anything. This fact needs to be clear so one is not easily deceived by the numerous spirits out there... Jesus Christ warned us about them too.

First of all, God is against anyone who installs himself as a pastor/shepherd over his flock. So your "God fearing" pastor is against God. Can sin be of God?

Jesus Christ said that those who love Him are those who obey His teachings/commandments, meaning that those who live in disobedience are not of Him and He does not live inside of them. In john 8, He outright declares that those who are still bound to sin are of their father, the devil!

My question to you is can Jesus Christ be right and at the same time wrong about these things?

Do you want me to give examples of God leading people to override His own laws? Here we go;

Handling human excrement.

Deuteronomy 23 v 12-14

12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself.

13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement.

14 For the Lord your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.


Ezekiel 4 v 9-13

9 “Take wheat and barley, beans and lentils, millet and spelt; put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself. You are to eat it during the 390 days you lie on your side.

10 Weigh out twenty shekels of food to eat each day and eat it at set times.

11 Also measure out a sixth of a hin of water and drink it at set times.

12 Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.”

13 The Lord said, “In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.”


Dear Kobojunkiee, was God leading Ezekiel to break His own commandment on handling human on Deuteronomy 23 v 12-14?