Fezz:
Hahahaha.. are you trying to say that Benins learnt bronze casting from the yorubas? You are ridiculous. Where did you get this from? Please don't let your supporters laugh at you because it's the joke of the century

I once asked you to mention the name the awories called Lagos before the Benins established the land and named it Eko, but you have stylishly avoided that question.

I am still waiting for you to give me the name of the community Oduduwa grew up. We want to know the compound he grew up . Don't tell me it is a hilly place blah blah blah, or that it is the same community as the ooni blah blah!. Be precise and mention the name of the compound that raised Oduduwa in ile-ife. Let's see proof

According to Olugbo of Ugbo it took Oduduwa 16 good years to learn ife dialect, and you are here deceiving the public that Oduduwa was born and grew up in ile-ife. I have told you before to go and find out more about your real ancestors because you are obviously lost.

Fezz:


You nailed it. I'm glad you understand her modus operandi

TAO12:















This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for camp in the Bini language, and those are: Ago [and perhaps Oxogbo].[/color][/size]https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/ check village 284, 308 and 491. the three villages were named eko with the prefix what will you say about that and these are not recent communities. oxogbo or Ago sincerely do not make meaning to me as a Bini man that Ereko theory must have been one of the biggest lie of the century.


slave line.

Cheers!
Cc: nisai, gomojam

UGBE634:
[s]Stop this talk, the Benin family system is one of nobility through and through, we have about seventy-four large families with over fifty oriki which every binis are descended from. You can't go and tell Obaseki family with over a hundred thousand members that his family is inferior to the Oba's family and you will leave his house alive, or is it the Idahosa family which is part of the Ezomo-uzebu family which is part of the LA-OGIESAN family and you will leave his house alive, this is a man that dominated the Christian space for more than 30 years and non of your brothers came close until he died in 1998 instead they always come cap in hand to Benin city for insight, mentorship.when a bini man set out for greatness, he set out for greatness completely. don't glory so much in that line I can name 30 great men from Benin who has placed Benin on the map to date and NONE are from his family. I am trying to let you know that greatness is an everyday tradition in Benin. Or is it Victor Uwaifo who is from the LA-OTOSE family line[/s]

We know who the dullard is here, we are from a family of nobility, where every binis can trace his ancestor back to the earliest times not a slave line.

https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/ check village 284, 308 and 491. the three villages were named and these are not recent communities.

oxogbo or Ago sincerely do not make meaning to me as a Bini man

that Ereko theory must have been one of the biggest lie of the century.

TAO12:
Is there any reason why you inserted your comment within mine? Is this a mistake? Please modify and separate your comment from mine. Tainkiu!

Moreover, this comment of yours doesn’t relate to anything I wrote. I think this comment wasn’t meant for me. It must be a mistake, right?

Yeah your people are too scared to narrate to you all the account of how the Yorubas marched on Benin kingdom, conquered natives, captured them, and sold them to the Americas.

Moreover, you all are slaves of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin. So, •••

UGBE634:
We are not, his family is not the wealthiest in Benin, neither is his family with the most reach but we just believe we should respect him. he did not force us neither can he,there are men who have gone against him in time past and did not die. you can't get this level of respect anywhere FORCEFULLY.

UGBE634:
https://www.amicidilazzaro.it/index.php/all-villages-town-and-cities-in-edo-state/I said village 284 , 308, and 491 were named eko with their prefix, what would you say about that, and they are clearly not recent communities especially with the overlord role Benin played in Lagos up till independence

TAO12:
I usually don’t like doing this, I’m only doing it because you brought it up. So near with me.

(1) Yoru people were sold by the Yorubas. Evidence of this appears in the testimony of your people to Dr. R. E. Bradbury during his ethnographic survey of Benin kingdom.

(2) Benin a slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin is not about the wealthiest family. It is about the traditional custom. And you have once admitted this.



Moreover I have an eyewitness account which testified that the general Benin populace are slaves of the Oba of Benin, and that each person has a proud moniker, viz. “king’s slave”.

TAO12:
Yes Binis encountered the name Eko in Lagos island when they immigrated there in the late 1500s.

So what if Benin named some community after a word which became part of their lexicon in the 1500/1600.

Did you not see this part of my comment earlier, or did you selectively ignore it as is to be expected?

Moreover, what do you mean by Benin played overlord role in Lagos up until independence? Do you want to be more specific?

Did you mean that Lagos was conquered? Or did you mean that the royal house of Lagos is a line paternally descended from Benin? Or did you mean that Lagos was apparently fulfilling its part of an early agreement?

UGBE634:
[s]You must be an idiot,the Umogun family is so large now, where would you now draw the line, Areafada2 is from that family, would you say he is a slave,and he has a moniker here, when I said that we are all slaves, I meant his family included in respect to him. the family will also shout Oba GHA to kpere just like every other family would. The Benin family system is such that every family was seen as having emerged from a 'uniquely' great ancestor who did his part in making sure the Benin kingdom cum empire survives. Ologbosere who was tried and killed is from the LA-OKUN family and anyone from that family who greets his oriki in the morning would be revered with praise from his ancestors in such a way that he will be happy and will believe that his family has a stake in Benin just like every other family having done his bit to ensure the survival of Benin kingdom. the same thing with the Ezomo n'uzebu family who their patriarch was the commander in chief of the armed forces. the same thing with Obaseki who their patriarch was also once the prime minister of Benin kingdom. The Benin family system is seen in such a way that every family is important and without the support of each family patriarch, the Benin kingdom cum empire which once was would not have been possible.[/s]

UGBE634:
[s]She clearly had some level of control especially with the act of recognizing king from that end don't y think so[/s]

TAO12:
Oga please argue with your comment as attached below.

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Only the Obas lineag are excepted from being regarded as “Oba’s slave”. Others are all sufayo — “king’s slave”.

UGBE634:
That is your opinion and sincerely it's not tenable in Benin, there is no discrimination here in Benin that is the opinion of one person in ogbomosho, and would certainlynot affect the state of things on ground. that is why I asked you where would you now draw the line. Areafada2 is from that family and he is defending the Benin cause just like everyone else. When I said what I said ,what I explained to you was what I had in mind, what so ever you thought out of it it is sincerely yours and yours alone. the Oba family meant families in Benin too

TAO12:
Your words (in the attachment below) are your words — NOT MINE. Can’t you recognize your own moniker again?

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Read your words in that attachment, slowly this time around.

UGBE634:
I said we, comprehension is a problem for you, what I meant by we was all Benins which the Oba's family is a part of

TAO12:
No! Not all of you are his slaves though. His family members are not. Wait are you saying AreaFada2 is a slave of the Oba of Benin?

While you common folks have the title: “Oba’s slave”; his family members have honorific titles reserved for them, such as: Iyoba, Oloi, Ediken, etc.

UGBE634:
[s]That is why I am still insisting you are a slowpoke, it is only the recent reigning monarch the wives and the first son that bears those titles, what about the late Oba with several sons what about those that descended from ozolua and are normal citizens of Benin today what about the brothers and descendants of Osewende, what about the descendant and brothers of Adolo. all greet UMOGUN as their Oriki! where will you now draw the line! not just the reigning monarch. all the descendant of eweka till date greet UMOGUN as their Oriki where will you draw the line [/s]

TAO12:
You made a claim that only the recent use these titles, please substantiate your claim that only the recent reigning monarch use these words, Iyoba, Oloi, and Edaiken, etc.

Yes, I am aware that your claim is a made up one which you are unable to substantiate.

But to outrightly debunk you (because you can’t even substantiate falsehood); Iyoba Idia is Esigie’s mother. She lived in the 1500s.

In conclusion, only you general populace use the title “king’s slave”. His family members have honorific titles reserved for them.

UGBE634:
[s]you know I am no longer surprised,the yorubas are not Wait are you saying AreaFada2 is a slave of the Oba of Benin? capable of intelligence,the Oba's mother title is meant for the living the title of iyoba was giving to iyesigie because she was alive as at that time. the same with the title of the edaiken of uselu it is the present reigning monarch son that bears the title in waiting for the throne and when he assumes the throne all the other sons becomes larger part of the Edo society. Then I ask, where do you draw the line slowpoke!. I sincerely don't expect an answer from one whose tribe is associated with slavery.your brain is sincerely under your feet[/s]

TAO12:
I don’t care what your AreaFada2 is? What is AreaFada2? Is that the name of a beer? From the name I think he is a slave of the Oba?

Anyways, you didn’t prove your claim that Ediaken, Iyoba, and Oloi only began for the recent monarch. That is your claim which you must prove.

I have demonstrated that Iyoba for example is a title from centuries ago this debunking your rubbish claim that the title started ‘yesterday’

The Oba’s family members are NOT his slaves. It is you and your parents, etc. who are his slaves.

UGBE634:
[s]There is nothing to prove there as you are certainly not capable of intelligence, the iyoba title was given to esigie's mother because she was alive at that time, the present monarch was once an Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the throne of Benin but he is now the king and his first son would be the next Edaiken n'uselu in waiting for the stool. the title of the oloi is for one who is alive. just the way oba eredieuwa was once an oba but he is no more, ewuare is the king now, the same with the oloi, I won't expect you to understand because you have an IQ smaller than that of a mosquito[/s]

TAO12:
No!

When you make a claim you have a burden to prove it.

You have a special title — Oba’s slave.

The Oba’s family have honorific titles instead.

You have claimed that these honorific title were very, very recent.

This is your claim which you must prove.

You and parents are the Oba’s slave.

While his family members are nobles.

TAO12:
I don’t care what your AreaFada2 is? What is AreaFada2? Is that the name of a beer? From the name I think he is a slave of the Oba?

Anyways, you didn’t prove your claim that Ediaken, Iyoba, and Oloi only began for the recent monarch. That is your claim which you must prove.

I have demonstrated that Iyoba for example is a title from centuries ago this debunking your rubbish claim that the title started ‘yesterday’

The Oba’s family members are NOT his slaves. It is you and your parents, etc. who are his slaves.

Fezz:


Funny you .. you are talking to someone that knows his complete history and ancestory. My advice to you is for you to know where your ancestors came from before you come on nairaland to try and debunk other people's ancestory. Let me enlighten you a bit. Ogiso Igodo didn't fall from the sky. The title simply means he has devine attributes coming directly from heaven (sky). In Benin we know ogiso Igodos ancestory and that is why I'm telling you to go and find yours .

The name of Ogisos father is Odudu. I can go further to tell you whom fathered Odudu if you care to learn more from me . Just in case you are curious to learn more about Benin ancestory go and read "great benin" by Omoregie.

Like I said earlier, Benin is all about history and history is Benin. We don't tell stories, we create history.

Olu317:
Stop lying to yourself because Oramiyan wasnt an Igodomigodo trash. Please who was Ohen Okun that was one of the pioneer visitors to Portguese king ��? The reason is that in this visit of Ohen-Okun as Benin Ambassador to Portugal ,he promoted Ughoton to a higher level. Ughoton became known in the world apart from its relevance as the port of Benin.

nisai:
Ore wa, how's study? Hope lecturer Tao is not too swift with whip?

TAO12:
I’m dead.

Fezz:


You are getting it all wrong. I don't need to defend my history or Benin Kingdom because Benin's create history, we don't tell stories. I know my history. As a matter of fact, I know who my ancestral fathers are. I'm only trying to help you discover whom yours is because obviously the yorubas best option is that he fell from the sky or trecked all the way from mecca ... Get rid of your ego and you shall find the truth that you seek.

Fezz:


Surely she can't claim Lagos, unless she wants to entrap herself in a big spider web. First of all, the city of Lagos can only be argued between the benins and the a awories to start with. No other yoruba tribe has claim to Lagos. Maybe you should ask her the initial name that the awories named Lagos before the Benins established it and named it Eko. Let her start from there. Lol

TAO12:
Well if you can’t providence for what you say, then you’re simply saying stories.
If something must push to narrate a story, then that same thing must push to back up your story with evidence, otherwise your story is nothing but SuperStory.

No, I will tell you my story. The only difference is that I can substantiate mine you can’t substantiate yours. Oduduwa is a Yoruba from Oke-Ora says the Ife account of his historical roots.

Ogiso Igodo fell from the sky and crash landed in Benin city, right? Or the fictional Mr. Idu tracked from Rome to Edo state, right? LMAO!

I have ego. I’m not seeking to know anything I already know.

I am only here to debunk Benin lies like I’ve been doing. And I’ve been singlehandedly flogging all Benin liars for years.

Bring me the guy i your video let me flog his skull too. Or is that guy in the video you? LMAO!