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Ikinternational:
You're really not intelligent. I'm struggling to decide if I should even give you a meaningful reply or simply disregard.

Your emotional outburst does not mean im not telling it like it is. (as if i just broke news)

"Government" is all about who occupies the presidential seat abi...see why im doubting your intelligence. Maybe you're one of those that scored 60 on Waec but still received university admission.

btw it's mighty ikenna that's speaking not "you guys"

P1PrinceKT:
You could be arrested for such reckless comment.

post=101094303:
No he is not,
BUT,




SECONDED.
After thorough investigation, if found guilty, he should be arrested or resigned honourably.

With all without Pantami, the NIN must go on with the next person coming in.

NIN is not Patamin's family business that will stop if he is removed, so do not get it confused.
NIN is not about a person but about our darling Country moving forward.

A better Nigeria is all we want.
A better Nigeria is what we shall get.
God bless Nigeria.

Addendum:
Notice to Fraudsters and Criminals : With or Without Pantami, According to Law, YOU MUST LINK YOUR SIM WITH YOUR NIN.
And save millions of Nigeria from being scammed and end kidnapping in our nation...... una hear?


Thanks Mr Odewale.
God bless you.

post=101094303:
No he is not,
BUT,




SECONDED.
After thorough investigation, if found guilty, he should be arrested or resigned honourably.

With all without Pantami, the NIN must go on with the next person coming in.

NIN is not Patamin's family business that will stop if he is removed, so do not get it confused.
NIN is not about a person but about our darling Country moving forward.

A better Nigeria is all we want.
A better Nigeria is what we shall get.
God bless Nigeria.

Addendum:
Notice to Fraudsters and Criminals : With or Without Pantami, According to Law, YOU MUST LINK YOUR SIM WITH YOUR NIN.
And save millions of Nigeria from being scammed and end kidnapping in our nation...... una hear?


Thanks Mr Odewale.
God bless you.

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

Kuginzi:
"What THEY And TERRORISTS Have Against PANTAMI

By Professor MICHAEL OGUEKE

Last year, after extensive research into Boko Haram’s activities & online presence by experts including Bulama Burkati, it was discovered how Boko Haram uses highly encrypted messaging platforms such as WhatsApp & Telegram to communicate and coordinate.
In addition, ISWAP uses such apps to communicate with ISIS. For instance, when ISWAP launches an attack, it uses Telegram to send pictures and videos to ISIS. ISIS would edit the material, put ISWAP logo, subtitle (where relevant), etc, and release it through its channels.
Similarly, Boko Haram uses Telegram and WhatsApp to send photos and clips of its attack and execution to its contacts who then post/tweet them and give them to media outlets. They also use the platforms to communicate with fighters and coordinate activities including attacks.
It was therefore agreed that since most messaging apps require a mobile number to subscribe or register, if ownership of lines is restricted, it will seriously undermine Boko Haram’s ability to exploit technology, and hamper the effectiveness of the terrorists.
In the light of this discovery, the minister of communication Pantami - early last year, 2020 came up with the proposal to the FG for all bank accounts, passports, GSM numbers to be linked to NIN & for Telecom companies to be given a strict deadline to restrict registerable SIMs to three (or less) per person & to deactivate all unregistered ones & those who breach the directive should be heavily fined by the NCC.
The first to react to this proposed policy was Abubakar Shekau, the leader of Bokoharam. He felt so rattled & threatened by this proposed policy by the communication mimister - Pantami which has the obvious potential of hitting his group hard & smashing his activities.
It was no surprise then, when on 13th February, 2020, Shekau - the leader of Boko haram released a video asking his members to kill the communication minister, Isa Pantami.
These were the exact words of Shekau in the video & I quote:
“This video message is specifically released because of one man, who thinks he is knowledgeable. I want him to archive this message and continue referring to it till his death comes. From today onward, you will continue to live in sorrow, because I, Shekau, say so.
"This warning is for Isa Ali Panatami; don’t think simply because you preach in English or because you are called a doctor, it means you have knowledge of Islam. You know nothing. Today you have become a minister, and you are feeling you can achieve your selfish ends. You must know that speaking English has nothing to do with Islam.
"You said you are going to block phone lines and other means of communication, to frustrate the activities of Boko Haram, right? But you must understand that we don’t depend on such to take out our messages. Our messengers are like the angels of God. How dare you attempt to stop the works we are doing for the creator of the heavens and earth, simply because you have become a slave to the white world and the country. We pity you if you don’t repent.
"I swear to God, you are nothing. Initially, we have not begrudged with you, but now you have become a slave to the infidels; repent now and become a good Muslim. If you don’t comply from now on, death will come to you, Isa Ali Pantami. I call on my members in Africa, in Nigeria to rise and do the needful. Let them know that what we did to Sheik Jafar is just the tip of the iceberg. Anywhere you see Isa Ali Pantami, don’t spare him. Isa Ali Pantami you are nothing; even Jafar tried the same thing but we dealt with him; talk less of you that is nothing in Islamic practice. And from today on, you would not have rest of mind because you have dared God...”
As the communication minister - Pantami has called the bluff of the terrorists & has gone ahead this year, 2021 with the implementation of the proposed policies of restricting the number of SIMs per individual, linking them with other personal data to NIN & the FG's recent announcement of naming those who through investigations using this policy are involved in terrorism in Nigeria, the enemies of Nigeria & Shekau has now resorted to their proven tactics of whipping their hysterical mob of self righteous social media terrorists masquerading as our moral compasses & objective critics to goad Pantami into resigning. Exactly the same way they did our arguably best minister of finance for an offence that is no fault of hers & which was never brought to the public for 4 years she was Ogun state commissioner of finance, cleared by DSS to be a minister & for 3 years she was finance minister not until she refused to help the enemies of Nigeria led by then Ogun governor - Amosun & then Senate President - Saraki to loot the federal treasury & destabilize the APC government on the eve of 2019 elections.
The DSS cleared Pantami for this job. They knew of his rhetorics 20 years ago as a young firebrand scholar. They equally know of his brilliance, qualifications, experience, capabilities & abilities which earned him his present job as minister of communication & he has not dissapointed since he was appointed a minister.
Let Pantami be & do not join or help the terrorists, sponsored by the conscienceless enemies of our nation who raped us into coma & pillaged our resources for 16 uninterrupted years, to rob us of another wonderful brain in this our sustained march to development & progressivism under Mai Gaskiya.
Enough said already!!"

Lifted from the wall of Nura Lukman Gantsa

Agbegbaorogboye:
Nonsense post

Kubernetes:
The truth is, people hate pantami because
1..He is an Islamic cleric.
2.. Because of the nin Sim policies etc that will track offenders and criminals alike.

Kuginzi:
Meaningless comment. Is that all you can contribute?

jaxxy:
At the end of the day u made no point. I was hoping to see how intelligent u were from ur sound argument bt Ure whining about personal things about sm1 u don’t know.

If u like continue with the rhetorics of the North this and that to cause divisions. Obasanjo has 8 years, Goodluck 6 years bt the North is still this and that. It’s unnecessary really.

Bt I now know why people say it and what their motives are and why such complains is most from one region.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Is he the first cleric to be a minister? Adebayo Shittu was also one. Same with ishaq Oloyede of Jamb who is the sec-gen of nScIA. Why didn't people hate them?
If it is all about NIN, how come everyone supporting Pantami is a Muslim. Is NIN an Islamic policy or is he the one who started it? Funny enough, more southerners and Christians have been registering for NIN before this issue came forth. We should focus on the issues and stop hiding behind excuses.

Kubernetes:
Lots of people supporting him aren't Muslims. Even some CAN leaders are supporting him.

Agbegbaorogboye:
The writer contradicted himself. In the opening, he claimed BH use WhatsApp to communicate and that's why NIN-SIM linkage was brought forth.
In the middle, he quoted shekau as saying they don't use such channels to communicate.
Besides, everyone knows WhatsApp is encrypted so how will they know which one Shekau uses or do you mean NIN-SIM linkage will prevent Shekau from using WhatsApp?
It would have made sense if they accused yahoo boys and fraudster, but to say Shekau is the reason for calls for Pantami's resignation on SM is plain stupid at best.

Kuginzi:
You're getting it wrong. The idea behind NIN is not Targeted only at Shekau, even Yahoo boys are among the targets too. Once EVERY unregistered SIM that is not link to NIN is blocked, Shekau and his sponsors will not have access to communicate.
The NIN policy will affect Shekau directly or indirectly that's why he is after Pantami's life.

Agbegbaorogboye:
It is patently false to say NiN policy will affect shekau especially if it is true that he uses WhatsApp to communicate. Where did you get the idea Shekau is using a Telco network self? Which network is in sambisa forest and who is maintaining it? Do you even know you can use a number different from your registered number to chat on WhatsApp? That's besides the fact that Shekau is after Pantami's life for taking government appointment after he had preached against it, and even vowed never to work for govt. Go check his quoted speech. You'll see it there. All those claiming Shekau is after Pantami because of NIN are just spreading propaganda that was started by Pantami's PR team.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Name them pls

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

Kubernetes:
https://www.nairaland.com/6519492/document-linking-pantami-yakowa-assassination


https://www.nairaland.com/6519440/dont-link-pantami-yakowas-death

Kuginzi:
Then why is Pantami among Shekau's wanted list?

Agbegbaorogboye:
Did you read the thread? He said a proper investigation should take place and that yakowa's death shouldn't be used to play politics. How is that supporting Pantami?

Kubernetes:
I have gvn it to u.
Read the two threads.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Go and read his words and you'll find out. Stop following them say.

Agbegbaorogboye:
I have read it and I don't see anywhere the man said he supports Pantami.
If you see it pls quote it.
Propaganda everywhere.

Kubernetes:
I am sorry there is nothing I can do, if u can't see it.
Thanks

Kuginzi:
Pls I want u to educate me on why Shekau is after Pantami's life?

"You said you are going to block phone lines and other means of communication, to frustrate the activities of Boko Haram, right? But you must understand that we don’t depend on such to take out our messages. Our messengers are like the angels of God.

How dare you attempt to stop the works we are doing for the creator of the heavens and earth, simply because you have become a slave to the white world and the country. We pity you if you don’t repent.
"I swear to God, you are nothing. Initially, we have not begrudged with you, but now you have become a slave to the infidels; repent now and become a good Muslim. If you don’t comply from now on, death will come to you, Isa Ali Pantami. I call on my members in Africa, in Nigeria to rise and do the needful. Let them know that what we did to Sheik Jafar is just the tip of the iceberg. Anywhere you see Isa Ali Pantami, don’t spare him. Isa Ali Pantami you are nothing; even Jafar tried the same thing but we dealt with him; talk less of you that is nothing in Islamic practice. And from today on, you would not have rest of mind because you have dared God...”

Agbegbaorogboye:
Go and read his words and you'll find out. Stop following them say.

Agbegbaorogboye:
You're always welcome

Kubernetes:
https://www.thecable.ng/trending-forum-of-bishops-holds-solidarity-rally-for-pantami/amp