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budaatum:
No, it is not a wate of time, and it is necessary since it is very deep rooted. Just yesterday, I watched Panorama do a program on institutional racism in the Church of England. It was sad to see how racist individuals ruin lives.

Evidence suggests that racism can be stopped, or at least be significantly reduced. There was a time gay people were imprisoned, and "No blacks, no dogs, no Irish" was a common notice for rentals, but progress has given us the Equality Act 2010 which makes such discriminations illegal. Now you can't even easily get away with discriminating against a gay person.

The struggle must obviously continue till it is rooted out, especially in Nigeria where tribalism, a form of bigotry, is seen as the norm.

I will quote a guy from the US called Ken Green. An African American

I have never felt comfortable discussing the issues of racism outside of my family and circles of my fellow black brothers and sisters.
And here is why.
I don’t want to be seen as a victim.
I don’t think it adds any value going forward.
I don’t want to destroy current and ongoing relationships with friends and business partners that are of a different race than me.
Now, I must admit how naive I’ve been on issues like this.
As my wife and I watched the video of the unfortunate incident that led to the death of George Floyd, we cried.
It was painful to watch.
It was hard to believe what we were watching.
Our emotions were high.
And I wondered…
What drives someone to hate to a point of taking another person’s life?
What role does our society play in aiding incidents like this?
Who is to blame for this?
Who benefits from incidents like this?
And what can we do to stop this from happening again?
A lot of great articles have been written on Medium and outside of Medium on this. I will share some of these shortly.
Before I do, I will attempt to answer some of these questions that confront all of us. I will also pose additional questions for you to consider.
Are the cops to blame?
The temptation to generalize is quite high. In situations like this, it is easy to scream that all cops are murderers.
There are good cops and there are bad cops. The fact is the majority of the cops are good. There is 1% of cops that cause major concerns like this in our society.
We know that the police in many municipalities are working hard to get rid of these bad cops. We applaud their effort. And we recognize that the police have more work to do to put an end to incidents like this.
Are the protesters to blame?
It is quite easy when you’re not emotionally attached to a situation to give your opinion.
When emotions are high, people lose logic as it is hard to reason correctly.
We know that the majority of the protesters are peaceful. It is 1% of protesters that are looting and causing the destruction.
Should we excuse them for looting? Yes. Why? Because they are acting out of high emotions resulting from the incident. They’ve lost their logic to reason at the moment.
Should they be punished for looting and protesting violently? Yes.
I certainly don’t advocate violence and I don’t suggest you participate in violent protest. The majority of the protests we’ve seen are peaceful.
And the reason we protest is to put a spotlight on the injustice we continue to see from time to time. To hopefully cause a change in direction and ultimately, save Black lives.
Are the politicians to blame?
Should we blame Trump for dividing America? Should we blame Obama? Is it the Republicans? The Democrats?
It is a complex issue and it is certainly hard to point fingers. Different people will have different opinions based on alliances and other factors.
The truth is leadership plays a role in aiding racism. And I believe leadership will also play a role in combating it.
Who benefits from incidents like this?
Is it the political parties? Is the Middle East celebrating that America is so divided? Is China happy that America cannot be united? Is the media benefiting from this?
This is complex, but is it good to ponder on these. The reality is that no matter the incident, there are groups that will benefit from it.
The obvious one is the media. Bad news will always benefit the media as it drives traffic to their media outlets.
As a society, this incident may lead to a turning point for real change in our society. Change that may reduce incidents of racism. Change that may ultimately save Black lives.
Can we eliminate racism and discrimination?
Based on the history of mankind, it is unlikely we can eliminate racism and discrimination.
It is unfortunate that we will continue to live with this in our society.
We will always have Whites that hate Blacks among us.
There are Blacks that hate Whites.
There are groups of White people that will discriminate against other groups of White people based on country of origin, language, tribe, etc.
The same is true for groups of Black people that will discriminate against other groups of Balck people based on country of origin, tribe, language, etc.
We can expand this to Latinos, Chinese, Indians, etc. It never ends.
So, we will continue to see discrimination against the poor and marginalized in our society.
It is in our nature to judge. We judge and discriminate people all the time based on color, height, weight, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. This will never stop.
As individuals, we have to educate ourselves on these biases we carry all the time. We have to recognize it, accept it, pause and reconsider before we finally make a decision.
Together as a society, we can work hard to reduce the incidents of racism and discrimination.
I believe we can all agree that we’ve made progress on this compared to 50 or 100 years ago. It is better today. But we have work to do.
What can we do to protect ourselves and our community?
Obviously, raising awareness of this issue in our workplace, in our gatherings with friends of other races, and in our homes will help.
Speaking up and challenging the status quo will help.
Participating actively in our political process will certainly help. We need to vote and elect politicians that can make changes in our criminal justice systems.
Helping our communities become financially free is critical. If the marginalized groups in our society are empowered financially, incidents of racism and discrimination will likely reduce.
Creating more entrepreneurs in the marginalized groups will help. For example, if we have more and more Black businesses that are successful, no one can tell us what to do. We will not depend on groups that discriminate against us for anything.
If you run an organization, consider a number of diversity and inclusion initiatives you can run in your organization. This one suggested by Leticia Rose is a great start.

raumdeuter:
My point is human beings will never fully like each other even within the same family people don't like each other

But people can learn to like each other or at least not dislike each other just because they are from a different tribe or race or religion.

We can already see change by you admitting intertribal and interracial marriages exist. Evidence suggests an increase, and when products of such marriages (Emeka Ogunbiyi, Mohamned Chukwudi etc), become adults the battle will intensify.

Like I have said multiple times. We can always draw awareness which us good. But we can never eradicate it. Remember when I told you humans are flawed.

It remains the case. We still haven't been able to stop murder right? You can train a kid to have no regards for life. You can train them to love life but that does not guarantee they are incapable of committing murder. We are not programmable beings. We all have agency.

benalvino2:
I will quote a guy from the US called Ken Green. And African American

In the Panorama program mentioned there were many who did not complain about racism because they too did not want to destroy their relationship with the church or seem like victims. Unfortunately, they were victims of the destruction of their relationships within the church.

Keeping quiet is not an option. And even 1% of bad cop is too bad when the damage they cause is considered.

A Metropolitan Police officer has been jailed for breaking a black man’s knee in front of his children after they had laid flowers on their mother’s grave.

PC Charlie Harrison, 39, was sentenced to two years and three months in prison at Southwark Crown Court on Monday after being found guilty of causing grevious bodily harm (GBH).

Mr Abrahams was leaving a cemetery with his children, having laid flowers on their mother’s grave on New Year’s Eve, 2018, according to reports.

Harrison pulled over in an unmarked patrol car, Southwark Crown Court heard. in plain clothes, with the intention of conducting a police stop.

The officer then used a “leg sweep” on Mr Abrahams, knocking him to the ground and causing him to fracture his knee.

In what a judge called a ‘clear case of racial profiling’, according to The Daily Mail, PC Harrison’s attack left his victim having to seek hospital treatment and use crutches for 12 weeks.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-police-jailed-racial-profiling-b1830527.html

budaatum:
In the Panorama program mentioned there were many who did not complain about racism because they too did not want to destroy their relationship with the church or seem like victims. Unfortunately, they were victims of the destruction of their relationships within the church.

Keeping quiet is not an option. And even 1% of bad cop is too bad when the damage they cause is considered.

Of course you have to speak out but make sure you are making a legitimate complain. The use of kkk, white Supremacist or racism is now directed to anyone with different opinion. Like they were calling Tim Scott a racist. That's wrong. My worries all along.

Let's all make righteous judgments instead of throwing the race cards up and down. The word is now losing its meaning.

benalvino2:
Like I have said multiple times. We can always draw awareness which us good. But we can never eradicate it. Remember when I told you humans are flawed.

It remains the case. We still haven't been able to stop murder right? You can train a kid to have no regards for life. You can train them to love life but that does not guarantee they are incapable of committing murder. We are not programmable beings. We all have agency.

The above is like saying you can never one day #Endsars. The effect of such thinking is you will not fight it with the intention of defeating it.

You really need to have more faith in your abilities to effect change, in yourself and in others. That is what "agency" is about, the ability to program oneself instead of allowing CNN and Fox News to program one.

budaatum:
The above is like saying you can never one day #Endsars. The effect of such thinking is you will not fight it with the intention of defeating it.

You really need to have more faith in your abilities to effect change, in yourself and in others. That is what "agency" is about, the ability to program oneself instead of allowing CNN and Fox News to program one.

No your analogy does not fit. Sars is an organization put in place by the government. The government can stop it. Racism is not an organization put in place by the government. Have you been able to eradicate hatred or bullies? No right?

What about child pornography? All these vile things build in people.

Addition: I do have faith but I don't think we can achieve 100% I talk about creating awareness all the time. So my point is must people should look at the bright side. My interactions with people 99.999% positive and the few racists I encounter does not bother me.

About agency we are saying the same thing. No matter how you train a kid or human. They may do something of their own freewill. And it will shock you

benalvino2:
Of course you have to speak out but make sure you are making a legitimate complain. The use of kkk, white Supremacist or racism is now directed to anyone with different opinion. Like they were calling Tim Scott a racist. That's wrong. My worries all along.

Let's all make righteous judgments instead of throwing the race cards up and down. The word is now losing its meaning.

It's called rhetoric, and is very common in American politics where they have the First Amendment to the United States Constitution that allows them to throw such words about with no evidence. It's how they've been programmed to be. Try it in UK and the cost you pay both financially and reputationally will be huge.

benalvino2:
No your analogy does not fit. Sars is an organization put in place by the government. The government can't stop it. Racism is not an organization put in place by the government. Have you been able to eradicate hatred or bullies? No right?

What about child pornography? All these vile things build in people.

Addition: I do have faith but I don't think we can achieve 100% I talk about creating awareness all the time. So my point is must people should look at the bright side. My interactions with people 99.999% positive and the few racists I encounter does not bother me.

It is not the organisation one is against, but their methodology of brutality. Same as most in US are not against police in general but against them killing people unnecessarily.

You live in a world today where racism, bullying, hatred, child pornography, has been significantly reduced already to the point that it does not bother you. If you know the history that got us this far you'd appreciate those continuing the struggle, especially in places where such things have not been reduced like to where you are.

I can assure you that if UK police even speak to me the way America police speak to people I'd have been shot a long time ago if they had guns. I'm grateful for the progress of change.

Below is a clear example of progress. In times gone past and even still now many will claim she wanted to be raped in order to progress in the ranks.

Ugbei Uzezi Raped: ECOWAS Court Orders FG To Pay $200,000 To Ex Air-Force Woman

[quote author=Gamer.999 post=101296132]Nobody raped anybody shut up[/quote][quote author=Ppogba.e post=101296200]Dumb ashawo looking for a payday[/quote]

budaatum:
It is not the organisation one is against, but their methodology of brutality. Same as most in US are not against police in general but against them killing people unnecessarily.

You live in a world today where racism, bullying, hatred, child pornography, has been significantly reduced already to the point that it does not bother you. If you know the history that got us this far you'd appreciate those continuing the struggle, especially in places where such things have not been reduced like to where you are.

I can assure you that if UK police even speak to me the way America police speak to people I'd have been shot a long time ago if they had guns. I'm grateful for the progress of change.

This awareness you are talking about sadly is selective.

I am greatful to be living in a Era where people have shed blood just so I can have a better life. Those who lost their lives in the 2nd world War and does who fought against certain oppression.

But today it is selective. Watch the media. They make fun of Christians, attack Christians religion but you can't dear to criticize Islam. You see in on the media.

Pakistani grooming gangs were allowed to do their atrocious acts and the British authorities covered it up because they don't want to be seen as racist. Then what happened to the guy who call for awareness and fight against it? He was vilified and called all sort of names. Arrested for no reason sometimes and they made him enemy of the state.

I don't understand why the media can be selective like this.

Everyday they accuse trump of racism. Biden has said a lot of racist things about blacks and even use the word nigga recently no one in the media is calling him out. Are they really fighting against race or what?

I don't agree that Biden and Trump on the same level of racism and racial bias

Trump is a vile person and no American president is close to him in terms of racial bias

Tdotbluejays:
He is confused and has zero clue. ^^^^^^

When I got employed at my work place, I was the 4th black person employed in Engineering out of probably over 1000 technical staff. I am proud to say that in the last two years, I have helped two other blacks (a 23 year old nigerian and a 42 year old Jamaican with a wife and 3 kids into the company). Both jobs are over $100k per annum. I will keep ensuring diversity and inclusion is promoted in recruitment.

The 23 year old guy has a dinstinction in electrical engineering from a local Canadian college. The Jamaican has an electrical engineering degree from back home and worked in telecoms before migrating to Canada and worked mostly low wage jobs prior to been offered employment. If this is socialism to some, then so be it. I like that kind of socialism that helps me to pull others up.

I hate responding to him because he is so ignorant in his ignorance. He just reads some catch words like marxism, socialism, conservatism, liberalism, etc, and without a more in depth understanding of these terms go on to form guru on these subjects. That's why the say half education is worse than illiteracy.

Man is a social animal. It socialism that gave man the added advantage to dominate the planet. Social animals are way more successful than non social animals.

Numerous disciplines such as anthropology, sociology, psychology, political science, and economics deals with social interactions within human societies.

To achieve a successful society, there must be a delicate balance between socialism and capitalism. 100% capitalism is as bad as 100% socialism. Many European countries have been able to strike that balance and have created a relatively peaceful and prosperous society.

budaatum:
No, it is not a wate of time, and it is necessary since it is very deep rooted. Just yesterday, I watched Panorama do a program on institutional racism in the Church of England. It was sad to see how racist individuals ruin lives.

Evidence suggests that racism can be stopped, or at least be significantly reduced. There was a time gay people were imprisoned, and "No blacks, no dogs, no Irish" was a common notice for rentals, but progress has given us the Equality Act 2010 which makes such discriminations illegal. Now you can't even easily get away with discriminating against a gay person.

The struggle must obviously continue till it is rooted out, especially in Nigeria where tribalism, a form of bigotry, is seen as the norm.

Seriously I'm not expecting racism and discrimination to be wiped out like Thanos snapped his fingers and half of world population disappeared.

What I don't understand is this gaslighting, either asking people to shut up or act like nothing is happening.

Silence only helps the oppressor.

wirinet:
I hate responding to him because he is so ignorant in his ignorance. He just reads some catch words like marxism, socialism, conservatism, liberalism, etc, and without a more in depth understanding of these terms go on to form guru on these subjects. That's why the say half education is worse than illiteracy.

Man is a social animal. It socialism that gave man the added advantage to dominate the planet. Social animals are way more successful than non social animals.

Numerous disciplines such as anthropology, sociology, psychology, political science, and economics deals with social interactions within human societies.

To achieve a successful society, there must be a delicate balance between socialism and capitalism. 100% capitalism is as bad as 100% socialism. Many European countries have been able to strike that balance and have created a relatively peaceful and prosperous society.

Guy you're biased and view the world from a subjective lens, you prioritize women privilege and are closed to the suffering of men from biased alimony, child support, prison sentence, divorce law, affirmative actions , which all discriminate against men, and you tell me you're balanced and logical, you ignore all these and expect us to see you as logical when you don't consider masculine problems, that's why I can't see things from your perspective, looking down on your fellow man and pedestalizing women, gaslighting me because I operate on Truths and Facts

benalvino2:
This awareness you are talking about sadly is selective.

I am greatful to be living in a Era where people have shed blood just so I can have a better life. Those who lost their lives in the 2nd world War and does who fought against certain oppression.

But today it is selective. Watch the media. They make fun of Christians, attack Christians religion but you can't dear to criticize Islam. You see in on the media.

Pakistani grooming gangs were allowed to do their atrocious acts and the British authorities covered it up because they don't want to be seen as racist. Then what happened to the guy who call for awareness and fight against it? He was vilified and called all sort of names. Arrested for no reason sometimes and they made him enemy of the state.

I don't understand why the media can be selective like this.

Everyday they accuse trump of racism. Biden has said a lot of racist things about blacks and even use the word nigga recently no one in the media is calling him out. Are they really fighting against race or what?

I do not know what media you listen to that "make fun of Christians, attack Christians religion but you can't dear to criticize Islam". Critique of religions go on everyday and must go on so that we may learn and evolve. As I speak, BBC Radio 4 is broadcasting Sunday Worship from Ireland involving all churches in response to the troubles there. It follows a program that critiqued religions role in the divisions in Ireland, and the next program is called A Point of View, Living with Group Difference. What is unacceptable is the denigration of Christians and Muslims.

The British authorities did not cover up Pakistani grooming gangs or allow them to do their atrocious acts! You might as well claim the British authorities covered up grooming gangs in the Church of England, the Catholic Church, the Army and the House of Parliament too, which would be a lie since the media exposed them all when they had the facts.

You haven't named the guy you claim "called for awareness and fight against it", so I'll reserve my opinion till you do. Islamophobia, and Christianphobia, is unacceptable ignorant bigotry however you want to dress it up. You'd find that groups that engage in such phobias are usually of the far right type who include such phobias as part of their obnoxious rhetoric, and if you studied their history their phobias were blacks and Irish and dogs and Jews and immigrants.

As for Bidens use of the word you mentioned, I'm going to do what the media did and ignore it because I am programmed to judge by the fruits and not just by one word, which if you too do would show you the difference between him and drumpf!

budaatum:
²I do not know what media you listen to that "make fun of Christians, attack Christians religion but you can't dear to criticize Islam". Critique of religions go on everyday and must go on so that we may learn and evolve. As I speak, BBC Radio 4 is broadcasting Sunday Worship from Ireland involving all churches in response to the troubles there. It follows a program that critiqued religions role in the divisions in Ireland, and the next program is called A Point of View, Living with Group Difference. What is unacceptable is the denigration of Christians and Muslims.

¹The British authorities did not cover up Pakistani grooming gangs or allow them to do their atrocious acts! You might as well claim the British authorities covered up grooming gangs in the Church of England, the Catholic Church, the Army and the House of Parliament too, which would be a lie since the media exposed them all when they had the facts.

You haven't named the guy you claim "called for awareness and fight against it", so I'll reserve my opinion till you do. Islamophobia, and Christianphobia, is unacceptable ignorant bigotry however you want to dress it up. You'd find that groups that engage in such phobias are usually of the far right type who include such phobias as part of their obnoxious rhetoric, and if you studied their history their phobias were blacks and Irish and dogs and Jews and immigrants.

As for Bidens use of the word you mentioned, I'm going to do what the media did and ignore it because I am programmed to judge by the fruits and not just by one word, which if you too do would show you the difference between him and drumpf!

Responding to superscript 1: they did cover it up till it was getting exposed on social media. One of the guy in front of the struggle was Tommy Robinson.

This was a well known scandal and I am surprised you don't know about it. The British media did not do much until they couldn't suppress it anymore. It is like they were forced to cover it because people were hearing about it in social media.
Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct4XvLega4

Superscript 2: can the media from BBC all the way to cnn publish a photo or cartoon of Mohammed? A satire? They self censor themselves and in the 2015 Charly hebdo attack I was in aberystwyth in Wales when it happen. I remember the media talking how it is not appropriate for people to make fun of the prophet of the religion.

But the media are fast to publish a cross in a jar of piss calling it an art. They are quick to publish gay pride depicting Jesus as gay or making fun of Jesus. Why is that? Because they know they can do what they like with no consequences against Christians. I hope this does not trigger some here and they start shouting bigotry. I am talking about this to show the double standards.

I don't want to talk about Islamophobia or Christianphobia if those are words.

Biden uses the nword you ignore it,
Biden says if blacks don't vote for him they ain't black, ignored again.
Biden say blacks are not smart enough to go online. You ignore
Biden said blacks are not as bright as white kids. You ignore
These are few.

You want to see trump as a racist for a lot of things the media made up?
Could you even compare what Biden has done for blacks to trump before they were president and after they were president?

benalvino2:
Responding to superscript 1: they did cover it up till it was getting exposed on social media. One of the guy in front of the struggle was Tommy Robinson.

This was a well known scandal and I am surprised you don't know about it. The British media did not do much until they couldn't suppress it anymore. It is like they were forced to cover it because people were hearing about it in social media.
Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct4XvLega4

Superscript 2: can the media from BBC all the way to cnn publish a photo or cartoon of Mohammed? A satire? They self censor themselves and in the 2015 Charly hebdo attack I was in aberystwyth in Wales when it happen. I remember the media talking how it is not appropriate for people to make fun of the prophet of the religion.

But the media are fast to publish a cross in a jar of piss calling it an art. They are quick to publish gay pride depicting Jesus as gay or making fun of Jesus. Why is that? Because they know they can do what they like with no consequences against Christians. I hope this does not trigger some here and they start shouting bigotry. I am talking about this to show the double standards.

I don't want to talk about Islamophobia or Christianphobia if those are words.

Biden uses the nword you ignore it,
Biden says if blacks don't vote for him they ain't black, ignored again.
Biden say blacks are not smart enough to go online. You ignore
Biden said blacks are not as bright as white kids. You ignore
These are few.

You want to see trump as a racist for a lot of things the media made up?
Could you even compare what Biden has done for blacks to trump before they were president and after they were president?

And requiring voter ID interpreted as a way of suppressing black votes.Are blacks not intelligent enough to get an ID.Yet they need it to drive, buy beer, get into an aeroplane, get mortgages, get the Social security card, etc

Sexual abuse has always been a tenacious issue in UK. As I mentioned, you might as well accuse the media of covering it up in the Church and the Army and Parliament until it was exposed in social media.

Posting "cartoon of Mohammed" is not the sort of satire we do in UK. We do not mind satirising our own Christian Gods, and do often, but we frown strongly at the satire of the Gods of others. It just is not our way to needlessly offend others. That's our double standards, if you wish to call it that. You'd never find us making fun of Jews, or Hindus so why Muslims? In fact, go to our schools and you'd find we are teaching children to respect people and their religions. That's what liberal societies do, you live and you let others live too. If UK does not do that, Christianity will suffer the most from ridicule as most Brits don't do Gods.

Biden's so called use of the nword was clearly an out of context slip. He stutters for starts, and could easily be forgiven. As for those other things you claim he said, we mitigate by him playing second fiddle to his black boss and hiring a strong black woman as his Vice. He may sound racist to you but his actions say the opposite to me. When he actually does something racist, do hola at me please.

As for Tommy Robinson, whom I did suspect you meant, please give me a break! There are penalties for breaking the Equalities Act 2010 which he willfully broke. Even retweeting his tweet will get you sanctioned in good ol' blighty land.

Conservative candidate suspended over Tommy Robinson tweet

benalvino2:
Responding to superscript 1: they did cover it up till it was getting exposed on social media. One of the guy in front of the struggle was Tommy Robinson.

This was a well known scandal and I am surprised you don't know about it. The British media did not do much until they couldn't suppress it anymore. It is like they were forced to cover it because people were hearing about it in social media.
Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct4XvLega4

Superscript 2: can the media from BBC all the way to cnn publish a photo or cartoon of Mohammed? A satire? They self censor themselves and in the 2015 Charly hebdo attack I was in aberystwyth in Wales when it happen. I remember the media talking how it is not appropriate for people to make fun of the prophet of the religion.

But the media are fast to publish a cross in a jar of piss calling it an art. They are quick to publish gay pride depicting Jesus as gay or making fun of Jesus. Why is that? Because they know they can do what they like with no consequences against Christians. I hope this does not trigger some here and they start shouting bigotry. I am talking about this to show the double standards.

I don't want to talk about Islamophobia or Christianphobia if those are words.

Biden uses the nword you ignore it,
Biden says if blacks don't vote for him they ain't black, ignored again.
Biden say blacks are not smart enough to go online. You ignore
Biden said blacks are not as bright as white kids. You ignore
These are few.

You want to see trump as a racist for a lot of things the media made up?
Could you even compare what Biden has done for blacks to trump before they were president and after they were president?

basilico:
And requiring voter ID interpreted as a way of suppressing black votes.Are blacks not intelligent enough to get an ID.Yet they need it to drive, buy beer, get into an aeroplane, get mortgages, get the Social security card, etc

Budaatum said we should always confront or speak out against racism etc. But he said he choose to keep quiet about this just like the media.

Budaatum could you explain why you are not speaking out?

budaatum:
Sexual abuse has always been a tenacious issue in UK. As I mentioned, you might as well accuse the media of covering it up in the Church and the Army and Parliament until it was exposed in social media.

Posting "cartoon of Mohammed" is not the sort of satire we do in UK. We do not mind satirising our own Christian Gods, and do often, but we frown strongly at the satire of the Gods of others. It just is not our way to needlessly offend others. That's our double standards, if you wish to call it that. You'd never find us making fun of Jews, or Hindus so why Muslims? In fact, go to our schools and you'd find we are teaching children to respect people and their religions. That's what liberal societies do, you live and you let others live too. If UK does not do that, Christianity will suffer the most from ridicule as most Brits don't do Gods.

Biden's so called use of the nword was clearly an out of context slip. He stutters for starts, and could easily be forgiven. As for those other things you claim he said, we mitigate by him playing second fiddle to his black boss and hiring a strong black woman as his Vice. He may sound racist to you but his actions say the opposite to me. When he actually does something racist, do hola at me please.

As for Tommy Robinson, whom I did suspect you meant, please give me a break! There are penalties for breaking the Equalities Act 2010 which he willfully broke. Even retweeting his tweet will get you sanctioned in good ol' blighty land.

Conservative candidate suspended over Tommy Robinson tweet

You first said they are not covering it up. You said stuff about covering the ones going on the church. I am not aware of that but I won't come and say it is not happening because I have no clue about that subject. So you saying they are covering the church could be true or false. Because I don't know I won't tell you it is not happening.

Posting cartoons of anyone should be okay. The UK and the rest of the media were doing it till Charlie hebdo. Now they say it's offensive to make satire of the prophet Mohammed but they are okay with making fun of anything Christian. That is double standard and wrong. Dude, Mohammed or Islam is the only religion they don't make fun of. All this started in 2015. And Christianity is already suffering it.

Could you give trump credit for dating a black woman? Being the only man who stand for Mike Tyson? Trump helped Jesse Jackson presidential bid. Just to name a little he has done



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln5irfxLjks


A out Tommy Robinson I said sometimes he is treated unjustly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lue_DC1Md8o

benalvino2:
Budaatum said we should always confront or speak out against racism etc. But he said he choose to keep quiet about this just like the media.

Budaatum could you explain why you are not speaking out?

Speak out against what? The suppression of votes by requiring ids? I have, continously, on this very thread.

The absurdity of them requiring voter id only now that they are losing elections stinks, especially since they have been in charge of the state for yonks benefiting from no id requirements. Still, it does not bother me one bit. I raised dead people to vote for Biden and can easily provide them with id too.

budaatum:
Sexual abuse has always been a tenacious issue in UK. As I mentioned, you might as well accuse the media of covering it up in the Church and the Army and Parliament until it was exposed in social media.

Posting "cartoon of Mohammed" is not the sort of satire we do in UK. We do not mind satirising our own Christian Gods, and do often, but we frown strongly at the satire of the Gods of others. It just is not our way to needlessly offend others. That's our double standards, if you wish to call it that. You'd never find us making fun of Jews, or Hindus so why Muslims? In fact, go to our schools and you'd find we are teaching children to respect people and their religions. That's what liberal societies do, you live and you let others live too. If UK does not do that, Christianity will suffer the most from ridicule as most Brits don't do Gods.

Biden's so called use of the nword was clearly an out of context slip. He stutters for starts, and could easily be forgiven. As for those other things you claim he said, we mitigate by him playing second fiddle to his black boss and hiring a strong black woman as his Vice. He may sound racist to you but his actions say the opposite to me. When he actually does something racist, do hola at me please.

As for Tommy Robinson, whom I did suspect you meant, please give me a break! There are penalties for breaking the Equalities Act 2010 which he willfully broke. Even retweeting his tweet will get you sanctioned in good ol' blighty land.

Conservative candidate suspended over Tommy Robinson tweet

The bolded is problematic. It destroys all you have been saying about calling out racism. He is racist but because he was a vice president of a black man and he hires black people as a politician I can give him a pass.

Watching politicians kiss the baby does not mean they like babies. They will do anything to gain your support. Compare trump's life as a non politician to Biden as a non politician and tell me who was more involved with blacks? Who was funding them and providing financial help for them.

You are showing a seriously dangerous double standards here. It is like you have been programmed to look the other way when a liberal does something you say you hate.

I have watched folks here even salford to AmazonTopaz try to excuse antifa when they could easily condemn all these group. Antifa is seen as leftwing movement so they try to excuse their destruction and act like they don't happen.

So it seems you don't believe in all the things you tell me for the fight against racism if you excuse this ones.

Trump appoints Ben Carson you folks call Carson uncle Tom. Trump work with black pastors you folks called them sellouts and photo opts. Kanye wanted to work with trump he was called a uncle Tom. Ice cube was attacked. Pretty much any black person is attacked.

Yet you guys will turn around and say trump don't work with black people or blacks don't work with him when you guys destroy anyone that works with him.

Same with the republican party. GOP don't have black people but you tell any black man if they go to GOP they are uncle Tom and attack them. Why do the left do this? That's what nazi is, bigotry and authoritarianism is. It is modern day slavery if you ask me.

Trump did more for blacks than Obama did and it is a fact.

budaatum:
Speak out against what? The suppression of votes by requiring ids? I have, continously, on this very thread.

The absurdity of them requiring voter id only now that they are losing elections stinks, especially since they have been in charge of the state for yonks benefiting from no id requirements. Still, it does not bother me one bit. I raised dead people to vote for Biden and can easily provide them with id too.

No. I am not talking about voter id. I am talking about Biden's racism you are excusing

benalvino2:
Posting cartoons of anyone should be okay. The UK and the rest of the media were doing it till Charlie hebdo.

Mocking other people's Gods is not okay in UK! We can not be educating Hindus, Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc in the same class then find it ok to mock Gods. We are far too mature a nation to continue to do what we did in the 17^th Century and will find such behaviour absurd in a nation that teaches others to evolve.

As for trump and racism, I did chuckle when you made the statement below. My opposition to trump has nothing to do with race. He thought he could shoot someone on New York streets and found it was not what it was when half a million died on his watch. And that's apart from his policies that I do not support, and his lies. He is not the sort of person I'd hold up to my children as a model and I am delighted he never got a second term.

benalvino2:
I get this a lot. Especially from budaatum. They will make an argument for you and attack you based on that. Strawman

benalvino2:
No. I am not talking about voter id. I am talking about Biden's racism you are excusing

I do not see Biden as racist so have no reason to excuse him. When he is racist, do hola at me please.

budaatum:
I do not see Biden as racist so have no reason to excuse him. When he is racist, do hola at me please.

I will Hola at you when you remove your tinfoil hat. The bias is strong.

budaatum:
Mocking other people's Gods is not okay in UK! We can not be educating Hindus, Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc in the same class then find it ok to mock Gods. We are far too mature a nation to continue to do what we did in the 17^th Century and will find such behaviour absurd in a nation that teaches others to evolve.

As for trump and racism, I did chuckle when you made the statement below. My opposition to trump has nothing to do with race. He thought he could shoot someone on New York streets and found it was not what it was when half a million died on his watch. And that's apart from his policies that I do not support, and his lies. He is not the sort of person I'd hold up to my children as a model and I am delighted he never got a second term.

Inside that half a million how many did governor Cuomo killed? You hated trump before covid. Abeg make we hear better excuse

benalvino2:
Inside that half a million how many did governor Cuomo killed? You hated trump before covid. Abeg make we hear better excuse

I disliked Trump's policies and incompetence before covid. And I am certain the electorate would pass judgement on Cuomo in due time.

benalvino2:
I will Hola at you when you remove your tinfoil hat. The bias is strong.

Bias for Biden over that loser called drumpf? Very strong is a better description.

budaatum:
I disliked Trump's policies and incompetence before covid. And I am certain the electorate would pass judgement on Cuomo in due time.

Biden has appointed Cuomo with another covid related assignment. I don't think the democrats care he killed people. Since they blamed it on trump and folks bought the lie they are good.

benalvino2:
Biden has appointed Cuomo ....

One would think you'd deal with facts instead of allowing the media to program you.

Why not wait till Biden appoints him instead of spreading fake news?