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Righteousness2:
You Deceiving yourself!
The things of GOD are not by Community or Nation !
It is a Personal thing! Eternity is a Personal Race! It's not about Country, Race or whatever!
Everyone will stand Solo before GOD.
There are Real Bible Beliving Belivers in Nigeria.
There are People who are Genuinely Saved , Sanctified and full of the Holyghost in Nigeria.
It is a Personal thing!
So Ensure you run your race well!

CodeTemplar:
And how do you define being spiritual? Is it to minds the things of the spirit or to always consult familiar spirits?

falcon01:
shut shut shut shut shut the Bleep up!!! Shut up!!! Haba!!

Righteousness2:
Bro,I understand your Vibrations!
It is the evil beings residing in you that are reacting!
They have to React because the truth carries Fire!
We Believe your Deliverance is far.

Righteousness2:
You Deceiving yourself!
The things of GOD are not by Community or Nation !
It is a Personal thing! Eternity is a Personal Race! It's not about Country, Race or whatever!
Everyone will stand Solo before GOD.
There are Real Bible Beliving Belivers in Nigeria.
There are People who are Genuinely Saved , Sanctified and full of the Holyghost in Nigeria.
It is a Personal thing!
So Ensure you run your race well!

paxonel:
Salvation is for everyone that believe, bad or good people. Only that Nigerian Christians are collection of hypocrites who are saved by grace.

If not for grace

Kobojunkie:
Interesting! So your grace Gospel is a fake kind of gospel then since it is saves hypocrites whereas the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus Christ, at least according to John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 -11 cannot save hypocrites?

paxonel:
what is your point?
That Matthew 3:7-11 preaches that there is no grace?

quote out the scripture and point out where it says there is no grace let's see?

helinues:
What is religious about Nigeria when the rate of crime is increasing daily even upon the numbers of religious centers we him we country

Kobojunkie:
In Matthew 3 vs 7-11, John the Baptist declared that a change of heart and life is necessary for a one to be baptized. And we learn from John 3 vs 1-21, that baptism by water is required for one to gain access to the Kingdom of God.

Therefore if the grace Gospel pretends to circumvent God's own rule by creating a way to "salvation" for hypocrites, one ought to wonder if these hypocrites are they truly saved and in the Kingdom of God?

Omooba77:
Have you been to Dubai and Doha? They dont practise the kind of religion we have in Kano and Sokoto. We need to do away with religionism...

paxonel:
In relation to what you have just said according to your jw and you, that John 3:7-11 emphasizes repentance otherwise no kingdom, Explain Romans 3:24?

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

If the kingdom requires repentance, why is Romans saying freely given?

Kobojunkie:
John the Baptist is the one sent from God to prepare the way, isn't he? And according to Him who was sent to clear the way through water baptism, the reason we are baptized is to show that we have indeed changed our hearts and our hearts.

Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, then declared in John 3 vs 1 -21, that it is indeed as John the Baptist said. So why are you having a problem with this?

I have no way of understanding your interpretation of what is written in Roman's 3 vs 24, so I will have to ask you question to obtain details instead.

1. The free gift sinners receive through Jesus Christ is the gift of eternal life, and this is as explained in John 3 vs 1 - 21 and this only for those who are saved and become a part of the Kingdom of God, are you somehow of the mind that a one can ignore the rules laid down by God Himself as far as gaining access into His Kingdom is concerned?

2. The second statement in that verse, which seems to address what is to happen after entry into the Kingdom of God is acquired, states that sinners are made right with God by being made free from sin through Jesus Christ and according to Jesus Christ, the way to be made free from Sin through Him,

the Truth of God, is through accepting and obeying His commandments - John 8 vs 31 -41. Am I to believe you are ok with what this second statement refers to?

paxonel:
you are deviating from the point.
We aren't talking about water baptism, ofcourse a Christian need to be baptized.
You claim that John the Baptist emphasizes repentance or no kingdom of God. But have you asked yourself was he talking to Christians that they must repent or no kingdom of God or he was talking the Pharisees?
Were the Pharisees Christians?

I have told you, when you read bible consider time or you contradict yourself. There was no Christianity as at the time John the Baptist was baptizing people.
From the beginning, God did not lay down any rule of repentance(which is works of the law) to access the kingdom, not even to the Pharisees or the Jews(Descendants of Abraham) who had the old covenant. Rather, the only rule was Faith even till this moment.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

John the Baptist in John 3:7-11 only emphasized the importance of repentance, but not as a criteria to the kingdom of God as the only criteria is to believe in Christ(Faith) as mentioned in John 3:16. Believing in Christ is what justifies freely, not repentance.
this is exactly the case, not repentance.
that is what it refers to

Kobojunkie:
1. What does it mean to be saved and be of Jesus Christ ? It means one belongs to the Kingdom of God, does it not?

So it follows that anyone who is not baptized by water is not yet a Christian since he/she is yet to become a part of the Kingdom of God, this according to Jesus Christ Himself.

John preached to these non-Christians,even as He preached to the Pharisees when he declared that for them to gain access to the Kingdom of God, they needed to change their hearts and their lives through obedience to God.

It matters not that there was no Christianity at the time that John the Baptist supposedly made the statement to the Pharisees since Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God, upheld John, the Baptists, declaration, as far as water Baptism and His kingdom is concerned.

2. From what beginning do you speak of when you claim God did not lay down any rule as far as His Kingdom is concerned?

The beginning is John the Baptist

and He came proclaiming it the people, "Repent, for the Kingdom is at hand !".

The news of the coming of the forerunner was announced through the prophets that He would make clear the path... Malachi 4 vs 5-6 and Isaiah 40 vs 1-3

3. Entry into the Kingdom of God is not justification but simply certification of one's eligibility for the promise of God. Just as to be considered a part of the Old Covenant, you had to have the blood of Jacob flowing through your veins and also had to be circumcised as a male, in the New agreement, those who wish to enter into the Kingdom of God are expected to be born-again and saved according to Jesus Christ's stipulations.

paxonel:
True!
the essence of baptism was a formal declaration that one has left his previous religion and is baptized into a new religion. For instance, the Pharisees baptized by John the Baptist were a show of open declaration by them that they have left Judaism and have accepted joining a movement led by John the Baptist which later ended by it adherents joining Christianity after Christ was resurrected.

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Meaning, John's baptism alone wasn't sufficient, they needed to be baptized into Christianity after John had already baptized them previously.
Now, where they Christians that were never baptized by John?
Ofcourse yes!
Those disciples who received baptism of the holy spirit in Act 2:2 where never baptized with water by John, yet they were saved.
the level of sins perpetrated by the Pharisees and the isrealites in those days required that they should repent,that's why Jesus described them as evil and adulterous generation. Hence, that is why John the Baptist preached repentance, It wasn't an issue of repentance first before they could see God's kingdom.
Another reason John preached repentance to them was to let them know that this new religion or new covenant(Christianity) that will be established by Jesus Christ also preaches repentance like the old covenant did, so they should accept it.
Remember, the old covenant did not save inspite that repentance was preached,but this new covenant has come with salvation. And that salvation is not based on repentance but by Faith.
that is not true!
You cannot exclude the very thing that matters if one must see God's kingdom, which is change of Faith, as without Faith it is impossible to please God.

Baptism is about changing of Faith

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Meaning, the just shall not live by his repentance or how much he can do good.

So, for salvation to be attend, there must be change of religion.
From religion to religion, not just repentance.
if you have read the vision Daniel interpreted to King Nebucchadnezar of Babylon(Daniel 2:31-35), what he saw about the great statue. That vision was revealed to the King showing him what has been happening from the beginning, that there were change of kingdoms orchestrated by God himself.
And i also tell you that Abraham was justified by faith from the beginning of the old covenant.
No!
Christ has been from the beginning
Elijah also did that in his time, what are you talking?
I also mentioned prophet Daniel.
Infact, Daniel stood before might King Nebucchadnezzar and proclaimed it, that was long time ago before John the Baptist.
justification, certification, eligibility. No difference in the context of what we are saying.

Romans 1 vs 16 -17(ERV)

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16. I am proud of the Good News, because it is the power God uses to save everyone who believes—to save the Jews first, and now to save those who are not Jews.
17 . The Good News shows how God makes people right with himself. God’s way of making people right begins and ends with faith. As the Scriptures say, “The one who is right with God by faith will live forever.”[c]

Matthew 7 vs 31-14 (ERV)

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13. “You can enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell is very wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there. Many people go that way.
14. But the gate that opens the way to true life is narrow. And the road that leads there is hard to follow. Only a few people find it.

Righteousness2:
You Deceiving yourself!
The things of GOD are not by Community or Nation !
It is a Personal thing! Eternity is a Personal Race! It's not about Country, Race or whatever!
Everyone will stand Solo before GOD.
There are Real Bible Beliving Belivers in Nigeria.
There are People who are Genuinely Saved , Sanctified and full of the Holyghost in Nigeria.
It is a Personal thing!
So Ensure you run your race well!

Kobojunkie:
When Jesus Christ was on earth, His disciples went around baptizing people according to the way John had taught them

Omooba77:
My opinion:
Nigeria is only Religious not Spiritual.
Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

paxonel:
do you have any scripture showing Jesus disciples baptizing people when Jesus was on earth?

Post the scripture here let's see

John 4 vs 1 -4(ERV)

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1. Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard the report that he was making and baptizing more followers than John.
2. (But really, Jesus himself did not baptize anyone; his followers baptized people for him.)
3. So he left Judea and went back to Galilee.
[b]4. [/b]On the way to Galilee, he had to go through the country of Samaria.

Kobojunkie:
His disciples did indeed baptize people, especially since some of them were previously disciples of John the Baptists.
Jesus Christ did not come with a different kind of water baptism, as you assume. He continued the water baptism ritual that John the Baptist, who came before Him, established.

paxonel:
OK, you were right by saying Jesus disciples baptized with water like John the Baptist.
But saying that Jesus did not come with a different baptism other than water is very wrong. You have noticed that Jesus himself didn't baptize with water, why?
Because he was the one to baptize with the holy spirit(a greater baptism than that of John)
and John the Baptist confirmed that .John 1:33.

Therefore baptism with water is not the same as baptism with the holy spirit .
The same thing applies : the faith which Jesus baptized people into with the holy spirit(in Act2:1-4, which is Christianity, is not the same faith with that of John the Baptist : Hence, there was also change of faith between John the Baptist and Jesus Christ.
That was why John's disciples were later baptized into Christianity by Peter in Acts 19:5

Now, here is the thing :
The faith established by Jesus Christ at his death and resurrection(which is Christianity) is grater than the faith established by John the Baptist, while John's faith is greater than Judaism(old covenant faith of the Jews).

That was why Jesus made this statement.

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women(including all the prophets of the old testament) there hath not risen a greater(prophet) than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven(in Christianity) is greater than he(John the Baptist).

So, it is faith to faith, you can't dispute that.

And that not withstanding, Christians can baptize with water if they want to. It does not stop them from having the holy spirit

Kobojunkie:
His disciples did indeed baptize people, especially since some of them were previously disciples of John the Baptists.
Jesus Christ did not come with a different kind of water baptism, as you assume. He continued the water baptism ritual that John the Baptist, who came before Him, established.