There are many things that are being taught in the religious world today. Some of these things are true; however, sad to say, many of these doctrines are false. One doctrine about which the majority of the religious world is in error is the state of the natural man. The general belief concerning the natural man is that man is born innocent and remains in this innocent state until a certain age or until some point in his life. Nevertheless, the Scriptures teach just the opposite. In fact, the Word of God states that man, each and every human being without exception, is a sinner from the time of conception. Also, in addition to this, man is in this condition to such an extent that he is unable to do anything to remove himself from this depraved condition. This doctrine is called “total depravity.“
https://onewordforme.com/2021/05/14/mans-depravity/

Acraftsoft:
The general belief concerning the natural man is that man is born innocent and remains in this innocent state until a certain age or until some point in his life.

This is True and it is Proven by Babies and Toddlers, that's why we call them adorable and sweet.

And look at them deeply, you will see that they are Pure and Without Fault hence Sinless.

And since they only bring Joy, happiness, laughter, sweet feelings and pleasure, therefore, they brought "Goods" and therefore, they are indeed Born Good and Perfect, Exactly as God said!

Acraftsoft:

Nevertheless, the Scriptures teach just the opposite. In fact, the Word of God states that man, each and every human being without exception, is a sinner from the time of conception.

The operative word is "man", Not babies and toddlers!

Watch parents, guardians, teachers, neighbours and the world carefully and deeply (spiritly), you will see how they give Sin Injections to these Pure Sweet souls.

Evil spirits and Sinners find Good Spirits Intolerable to Live With and therefore they Must Corrupt and Change the Pure and Innocent Spirit into an evil one as they are Under The Law "Light and Darkness can not walk together" and "Two can not walk together unless they Agree"

Thus, where the soul refuses to change, hell and death is brought down upon that soul for destruction.

90 - 95% of souls breakdown under that great wicked power of evil.

Acraftsoft:

Also, in addition to this, man is in this condition to such an extent that he is unable to do anything to remove himself from this depraved condition. This doctrine is called “total depravity.“

Depravity is from the word "deprived" which is "To be prevented Access to A Thing"! So the bolded is not correct, for being unable to remove oneself is not "Prevention of Access"!

Secondly, that's what God Comes For!

He is Always Privately and Silently trying to remove souls from their wicked embrace but, they do not listen and they love the warmth of evil!

Acraftsoft:
There are many things that are being taught in the religious world today. Some of these things are true; however, sad to say, many of these doctrines are false. One doctrine about which the majority of the religious world is in error is the state of the natural man. The general belief concerning the natural man is that man is born innocent and remains in this innocent state until a certain age or until some point in his life. Nevertheless, the Scriptures teach just the opposite. In fact, the Word of God states that man, each and every human being without exception, is a sinner from the time of conception. Also, in addition to this, man is in this condition to such an extent that he is unable to do anything to remove himself from this depraved condition. This doctrine is called “total depravity.“
https://onewordforme.com/2021/05/14/mans-depravity/

while total depravity is true but babies are not sinners.
Babies only possesses the sin nature, which doesnt manifest until the age of accountability, when they possess the knowledge good and evil.

Acraftsoft:
There are many things that are being taught in the religious world today. Some of these things are true; however, sad to say, many of these doctrines are false. One doctrine about which the majority of the religious world is in error is the state of the natural man. The general belief concerning the natural man is that man is born innocent and remains in this innocent state until a certain age or until some point in his life. Nevertheless, the Scriptures teach just the opposite. In fact, the Word of God states that man, each and every human being without exception, is a sinner from the time of conception. Also, in addition to this, man is in this condition to such an extent that he is unable to do anything to remove himself from this depraved condition. This doctrine is called “total depravity.“
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Not here to hold brief for any of man's many doctrines, which Jesus Christ declared were nothing but lies, but I would very much like to know where in scripture are you told that man is a sinner from conception?

MISHIGAS!

Acraftsoft:
There are many things that are being taught in the religious world today. Some of these things are true; however, sad to say, many of these doctrines are false.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE INFALLIBLE GUIDE TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG.

Acraftsoft:

One doctrine about which the majority of the religious world is in error is the state of the natural man. The general belief concerning the natural man is that man is born innocent and remains in this innocent state until a certain age or until some point in his life. Nevertheless, the Scriptures teach just the opposite.

ERROR COMES FROM THE PRESUMPTION THAT THE TERMS "BIBLE," "SCRIPTURE," AND "WORD-OF-GOD" ARE ALL MUTUALLY INTERCHANGEABLE: THEY ARE NOT.

Not all Scripture is in The Bible- examples: THE BOOK OF ENOCH, and THE BOOK OF JASHER.

Not all of THE BIBLE is THE WORD OF GOD.

THE BOOK OF ESTHER, for instance, doesn't even mention God. Part of THE BOOK OF DANIEL was written by the evil king NEBUCHADNEZZAR.

THE NEW TESTAMENT is riddled with downright lies from ACTS 2 onwards.

Christians have been taught by the Oyinbos to close their eyes to the inconsistencies and deficiencies, and stake their Eternal Destiny upon a censored, corrupted, and edited, account, compiled for political purposes only, and not to serve GOD.

Those who are so lazy and stupid as to allow others to do their thinking for them, just go along with what serves the people they trust to guide them to Heaven.

Acraftsoft:

In fact, the Word of God states that man, each and every human being without exception, is a sinner from the time of conception.

THE ONE BIBLE WRITER WHO SAYS THAT WAS A MEMBER OF A GROUP OF WICKED MEN WHO MADE UP LIES TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES.

Whether or not a child is born a Sinner is completely up to the parents. A child can only be born a Sinner if Its parents were Sinners from the time of Its conception.

Acraftsoft:

Also, in addition to this, man is in this condition to such an extent that he is unable to do anything to remove himself from this depraved condition.

MAN CAN TOTALLY REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THIS CONDITION- BECAUSE GOD SAID THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN CONCEIVE, THAT WE CANNOT DO.

Anyone telling us that something is impossible is always lying.

Acraftsoft:

This doctrine is called “total depravity.“
https://onewordforme.com/2021/05/14/mans-depravity/

THE ONES SAYING MAN IS "TOTALLY-DEPRAVED" ARE ONLY QUALIFIED TO SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

When and if Police raid their homes, or Churches, they find Children chained up, being raped, literal skeletons in their closets, and similar craziness ONLY THE OYINBOS ARE KNOWN FOR.

Then these fools come to OUR CONTINENT, into OUR HOUSE, and tell us WE are ALL "TOTALLY-DEPRAVED" TOGETHER?

Er... No. I'm pretty sure that the entirety of the "depravity" is on THEIR side of the see-saw.

I am a proud member of one of the races that DIDN'T invent the ANTI-DEPRESSANT!

71 years ago, an Oyinbo introduced a System that would break the cycle of SIN, so that people did not have to live their lives as Sinners anymore, didn't have to raise their children as Sinners anymore, and did not have to let their children be BORN SINNERS any more.

This System is called DIANETICS.

Sinners therefore said:

"OF ALL THE ARGUMENTS TO BE MADE IN SUPPORT OF DIANETICS, THAT IT WORKS IS THE LEAST RELEVANT!"

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard.
FADS AND FALLACIES IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE, by Martin Gardner.]

How can anyone accept such a judgment, unless they are totally-depraved?

The Oyinbos think that it is normal for stupid kids to bully smart kids in school. If you get the highest marks, and always have the answers when the teacher asks questions, they can take your head, stuff it in the toilet bowl and flush it.

Someone raised their children to believe that they had a right to do that, to a fellow Human being. Have you EVER heard of ANYTHING like that happening in AFRICA?

SHOULD THE ONLY CRITERIA FOR ACCEPTING OR REJECTING A SYSTEM NOT BE WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKS?

Yet there are wicked Oyinbos who decree: WE DON'T CARE WHETHER OR NOT THE SYSTEM WORKS- WE DECLARE IT INVALID, JUST BECAUSE WE CAN!

120 years ago OPTICIAN William H. Bates discovered that a system of exercise and fasting could restore vision to people who used spectacles.

His positive results were ignored: his BATES METHOD was declared invalid.

85 years ago, Inventor ROYAL RAYMOND RIFE discovered that Electromagnetic Rays could be used to detect and immediately destroy Disease Organisms.

His positive results were ignored: his RIFE MACHINE was declared invalid.

50 years later, a Doctor HULDA REGEHR CLARKE reduced his benchtop machine to a pocket device, and cured multiple diseases, including Cancer.

Her positive results were ignored: her upgraded RIFE MACHINE was declared invalid.

A STANISLAW BURZYNSKI discovered that particles in the Urine of Cancer patients, called ANTI-NEOPLASTONS could be refined to cure them non-toxically.

His positive results were ignored: his treatment was declared invalid.

Author KEVIN TRUDEAU discovered secret research that cures Obesity, whose Medical Doctor Discoverer was clearly murdered to prevent him revealing this secret of how to cure the type of Obesity that cannot be cured by Diet nor Exercise- because it is a HORMONAL Problem.

The positive results were ignored: his recommendation of the HUMAN CHORIONIC GONADOTROPIN Therapy was declared invalid and he was given a 10 year Prison Sentence.

Italian Doctor TULLIO SIMONCINI theorized that since Cancers thrive in an Acidic body, ALKALIZING a body- using common SODIUM BICARBONATE would impair It.

His positive results- curing 18 TERMINAL PATIENTS were ignored: his discovery was declared invalid. His license to practice medicine was revoked.

[See: BETTER SIGHT WITHOUT GLASSES, by William H. Bates.
THE CURE FOR ALL DISEASES, by Hulda Regehr Clark.
CANCER IS BIG BUSINESS, by Stanislaw Burzynski.]

We need to THINK about WHO IS IT WHO DECIDES that THINGS PROVEN TO WORK should be IGNORED!

DIANETICS IS BASED ON SCRIPTURAL PRINCIPLES- THOUGH L. RON HUBBARD KEPT THAT A SECRET.

. LEVITICUS 11:1-47.
. MATTHEW 18:1-35.
. EPISTLE OF BARNABAS 9:1-20.
. EPISTLE OF BARNABAS 10:11-12.

Those who have had the ability to Sin removed from their Souls cannot be enslaved by Satan.

oaroloye:


IT IS THE DUTY OF PARENTS TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN TO BE SELF-DETERMINISM WORSHIPPERS OF GOD.

oaroloye post=99520499:

God has only ever wanted ONE THING: AGREEMENT.

.     EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake
all these Words,
Saying,

2. "I (am) The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not
make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness (of any thing)
that (is) in the Earth beneath,
or that (is) in the Water
under the Earth:
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I The LORD thy God
(am) a Jealous God,
visiting the iniquity
of the fathers
upon the third and fourth (generation)
of them that Hate Me.
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
which Love Me,
and Keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not
take The Name
of The LORD thy God
in vain;
for The LORD will not
hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name
in vain."

GOD HOLDS EVERY HUMAN ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE INIQUITIES COMMITTED BY THEIR PARENTS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS, AND THEIR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS.

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

. LEVITICUS 19:17-18.

17. "Thou shalt not
hate thy Brother in thine heart:
thou shalt in any wise
Rebuke thy Neighbour,
and not suffer Sin upon him.
18. "Thou shalt not avenge,
nor bear any grudge against
the Children of thy People,
but thou shalt love
thy Neighbour as thyself:
I am The LORD."

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-7.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee
this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest
in thine house,
and when thou walkest
by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD Sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

THE RECORDED WORDS OF GOD (LOGION) ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL COMPOSITION OF EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS: OBJECTS AND ENTITIES CAN ONLY INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER IF THEY HAVE THE SAME ACTIVE RECORDED-WORD-OF-GOD (LOGION) CONTENT.

The Mind has the ability to select which Logion content Its Soul activates at a given time: THAT WOULD BE THE UNSCRIPTURAL "FREE WILL" OYINBOS BLATHER ABOUT.

Everything we perceive, conceive, and recall is due to the Logion-composition WE CHOOSE to activate, and everything we do not perceive, conceive, or recall is due to Logos-Recorded Word composition not being active in us.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

The differences between creatures is due to the Logion-composition THE CREATOR ordained to be active. All Humans have the same Logos Composition as GOD- but not necessarily the same LOGOS ACTIVATION as Him.

oaroloye:

. DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6.

ALL The Commandments
Which I Command thee
this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live,
and multiply,
and go in
and possess the land
which The LORD Sware
unto your fathers.
2. And thou shalt remember
all the Way which The LORD
thy God led thee
these forty years
in the wilderness,
to humble thee,
and to prove thee,
to know what was
in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest
keep His Commandments,
or no.
3. And He humbled thee,
and suffered thee to hunger,
and fed thee with Manna,
which thou knewest not,
neither did thy fathers know;
that He might
make thee know that

"MAN DOTH NOT
LIVE BY BREAD ONLY
BUT BY EVERY (WORD)
THAT PROCEEDETH
OUT OF THE MOUTH
OF THE LORD
DOTH MAN LIVE."

4. Thy raiment waxed
not old
upon thee,
neither did thy foot swell,
these forty years.
5. Thou shalt also consider
in thine heart,

"THAT, AS A MAN
CHASTENETH HIS SON,
SO THE LORD THY GOD
CHASTENETH THEE."

6. Therefore thou shalt keep
The Commandments of
The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to fear Him.

.. JOHN 6:63.

"It is the spirit
that quickeneth;
the flesh profiteth nothing:
the Words that I Speak
unto you,
they are spirit,
and they are life."

THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD IS TO GUIDE THE VOLUNTARY ACTIVATION OF SPECIFIC LOGION-COMPONENTS.

The 613 Commandments activate all of them.

oaroloye:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

The Logion have thirty-two levels of activation.

.   2^nd PETER 1:5-9.

5. And besides this,
giving all diligence,
add to your Faith Virtue,
and to Virtue Knowledge,
6. And to Knowledge Temperance,
and to Temperance Patience,
and to Patience Godliness,
7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness,
and to Brotherly Kindness Charity.
8. For if these things be in you,
and abound,
they make you
that ye shall neither be
barren nor unfruitful
in The Knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh
these things is blind,
and cannot see afar off,
and hath forgotten
that he was purged
from his old Sins.

oaroloye:


. REVELATION 22:11-12.

11. "He that is UNJUST,
let him be Unjust still:
and he which is FILTHY,
let him be Filthy still:
and he that is RIGHTEOUS,
let him be Righteous still:
and he that is HOLY,
let him be Holy still.
12. "And, behold,
I come quickly;
and my Reward is with me,
to give every man According
as his Work shall be."

. MATTHEW 13:18-23.

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH
THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN
IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

20. 'BUT HE THAT
RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

MEDITATION IN THE LAW OF MOSES IS HOW THE SOUL IS CHARGED WITH SPIRITUAL ENERGY- LIKE A BATTERY.

The Logion are batteries which need to be charged by being used to fulfill The Commandments of God.

oaroloye:

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

OUR BACKGROUND HISTORIES ARE IRRELEVANT: IF WE WANT TO LIVE, WE CHOOSE LIFE BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.

There is no such thing as a background history that justifies never finding God.

.   MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

PrincessGlow:

BTW I'm a devout Christian

YOU ARE A COMPLETE LIAR!

You are a wicked person, possessed with Devils, who loves him and serves him willingly.

. EXODUS 21:1-6.

"Now these are the Judgments
Which thou shalt set before them.

2. "If thou buy
an Hebrew servant,
six years He shall serve:
and in the seventh
he shall go out free for nothing.
3. "If he came in by himself,
he shall go out by himself:
if He were married,
then his wife
shall go out with him.
4. "If his master have
given him a wife,
and she have born him
sons or daughters;
the wife and her children
shall be her master's,
and He shall go out by himself.
5. "And if the servant
shall plainly say,

"I LOVE MY MASTER,
MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN;
I WILL NOT GO OUT FREE:"

6. "Then his master
shall bring him unto the judges;
he shall also bring him
to the door
or unto the door post;
and his master
shall bore his ear
through with an aul;
and He shall serve him for ever."

.    JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

THERE ARE FOUR LEVELS OF AWARENESS:

(1) ANIMAL AWARENESS: INSTINCT.

(2) THE FIRST ATTENTION: 10% Consciousness. 1% Life Energy.

(3) THE SECOND ATTENTION: 1^st-5^th Talents. >10-50% Consciousness.

(4) THE THIRD ATTENTION: 6^th-10^th Talents. 100% Spiritual Energy Reserve.

Dtruthspeaker:


This is True and it is Proven by Babies and Toddlers, that's why we call them adorable and sweet.

And look at them deeply, you will see that they are Pure and Without Fault hence Sinless.

And since they only bring Joy, happiness, laughter, sweet feelings and pleasure, therefore, they brought "Goods" and therefore, they are indeed Born Good and Perfect, Exactly as God said!

The operative word is "man", Not babies and toddlers!

Watch parents, guardians, teachers, neighbours and the world carefully and deeply (spiritly), you will see how they give Sin Injections to these Pure Sweet souls.

Evil spirits and Sinners find Good Spirits Intolerable to Live With and therefore they Must Corrupt and Change the Pure and Innocent Spirit into an evil one as they are Under The Law "Light and Darkness can not walk together" and "Two can not walk together unless they Agree"

Thus, where the soul refuses to change, hell and death is brought down upon that soul for destruction.

90 - 95% of souls breakdown under that great wicked power of evil.

Depravity is from the word "deprived" which is "To be prevented Access to A Thing"! So the bolded is not correct, for being unable to remove oneself is not "Prevention of Access"!

Secondly, that's what God Comes For!

He is Always Privately and Silently trying to remove souls from their wicked embrace but, they do not listen and they love the warmth of evil!

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@Acraftsoft is correct based on the Bible! You proffer human opinion of sweetness that does not meaningfully exist in human beings - not to the saving of the soul from punishment for sin - except for the operation of GOD.

All human beings are born in sin because we are spiritually dead and separated from / unreconciled back to GOD since the fall of man in Eden (Genesis 2:17, Ephesians 2:1-5) - except those whom GOD saves from the womb - like Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5), and John the Baptist. Apart from ones like these - we are born spiritually dead, then evidently physically die later on.

This is what the word of GOD says on the subject - "The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent; They are like the deaf cobra that stops its ear, Which will not heed the voice of charmers, Charming ever so skillfully. Break their teeth in their mouth, O God! Break out the fangs of the young lions, O Lord!" - Psalm 58:3-6

"God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one." - Psalm 53:2-3

Thank GOD for all the provision that He has made from before the foundation of the world to secure salvation for many who will dwell with Him forever - this according to His will.

"The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works." - Psalm 145:8-9

xproducer:

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...You proffer human opinion of sweetness that does not meaningfully exist in human beings

I do not understand, are you saying that babies and toddlers are not "Sweet", pleasant and all those things I described?

xproducer:

All human beings are born in sin because we are spiritually dead and separated from / unreconciled back to GOD since the fall of man in Eden (Genesis 2:17, Ephesians 2:1-5) - except those whom GOD saves from the womb - like Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5), and John the Baptist. Apart from ones like these - we are born spiritually dead, then evidently physically die later on.

Then you call God a Liar when He beheld everything He created, that it was very good!

Your problem is that you do not know the great gravity of Christ's Words when He WARNED the disciples to "Suffer not these LITTLE ONES to come up to me, FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD!"

1) is Why?

2) is, Little Children grow up and become adults requiring to be born again to see the kingdom of God which they had as children but they lose as adults, why?

3) what happened to the Kingdom between childhood and adulthood? And many other connected questions.

I am certain that you did not observe these things I posed and the answers thereof.

xproducer:

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@Acraftsoft is correct based on the Bible! You proffer human opinion of sweetness that does not meaningfully exist in human beings - not to the saving of the soul from punishment for sin - except for the operation of GOD.

All human beings are born in sin because we are spiritually dead and separated from / unreconciled back to GOD since the fall of man in Eden (Genesis 2:17, Ephesians 2:1-5) - except those whom GOD saves from the womb - like Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5), and John the Baptist. Apart from ones like these - we are born spiritually dead, then evidently physically die later on.

This is what the word of GOD says on the subject - "The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent; They are like the deaf cobra that stops its ear, Which will not heed the voice of charmers, Charming ever so skillfully. Break their teeth in their mouth, O God! Break out the fangs of the young lions, O Lord!" - Psalm 58:3-6

"God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one." - Psalm 53:2-3

Thank GOD for all the provision that He has made from before the foundation of the world to secure salvation for many who will dwell with Him forever - this according to His will.

"The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, Slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, And His tender mercies are over all His works." - Psalm 145:8-9

1. Where does it say in the Bible are born in sin because they are spiritually dead and separated from God?

2. You say only those saved from the womb by God are exempt from being born in sin, but even those who you claim where saved from the womb eventually died, so what was the point of God saving them from the womb to begin with?

3. Psalm 58 vs 1- 6, seems to suggest instead that it is a set of wicked people that are born into sin - not that they were born of sin.

Psalm 58 vs 1 - 6(ERV)

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1. You judges are not being fair in your decisions. You are not judging people fairly.
2. No, you only think of evil things to do. You do violent crimes in this country.
3. Those wicked people started doing wrong as soon as they were born. They have been liars from birth.
4. Their anger is as deadly as the poison of a snake.[a] They shut their ears like a deaf cobra
5. that does not listen to the music of the snake charmers, no matter how well they play.
6. God, they are like lions. So, Lord, break their teeth.

The writer suggests that there are those who are indeed not born this way, this against your suggestion that only those saved in the womb are not born of sin.

Dtruthspeaker:


I do not understand, are you saying that babies and toddlers are not "Sweet", pleasant and all those things I described?



Then you call God a Liar when He beheld everything He created, that it was very good!

Your problem is that you do not know the great gravity of Christ's Words when He WARNED the disciples to "Suffer not these LITTLE ONES to come up to me, FOR THEIRS IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD!"

1) is Why?

2) is, Little Children grow up and become adults requiring to be born again to see the kingdom of God which they had as children but they lose as adults, why?

3) what happened to the Kingdom between childhood and adulthood? And many other connected questions.

I am certain that you did not observe these things I posed and the answers thereof.

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You are clearly without understanding.

"Sweet" and "pleasant" are a human assessment of others... I am talking about the way GOD sees us (which is what matters)! Not how we see or perceive each other, babies and kids included!
"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” - 1 Samuel 16:7

For the record - oh you who would attribute something to someone who has not said - GOD is good, GOD is great, GOD is perfect, GOD is wonderful, GOD is most excellent... "Let GOD be true and every man a liar"... I could go on and on.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where does it say in the Bible are born in sin because they are spiritually dead and separated from God?

2. You say only those saved from the womb by God are exempt from being born in sin, but even those who you claim where saved from the womb eventually died, so what was the point of God saving them from the womb to begin with?

3. Psalm 58 vs 1- 6, seems to suggest instead that it is a set of wicked people that are born into sin - not that they were born of sin.
The writer suggests that there are those who are indeed not born this way, this against your suggestion that only those saved in the womb are not born of sin.

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Friend,

1. "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins" - Ephesians 2:1 (also see Ephesians 2:5, Colossians 2:13). That is why the Lord GOD mercifully and graciously took the sins of many on Himself, and in return gives eternal life to those whom He saved/s (in the spirit, not in the flesh), though GOD also saves us from physical harm - I can testify to that!

Human beings - without GOD taking the step to draw them (John 6:44) - are separated / alienated from Him (since the fall of man in Eden).
"And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled" - Colossians 1:21

2. Saving a soul in the womb does not guarantee that the person will not die in the flesh. In fact Biblical history tells us that the prophets and Apostles of GOD experienced this (physical death, or as the Apostles describe it "putting off one's tent"/physical body).
"For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." - 2 Corinthians 5:1 (also see 2 Corinthians 5:4, 2 Peter 1:13).

However, they (all saved in the womb, or after they are born) have eternal life in their spirits - clearly seen when Moses and Elijah visited with Lord JESUS on the mount of Transfiguration - "Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus." - Mark 9:2-4

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" - John 3:14-16

3. The Holy Bible often refers to unsaved / un-regenerated man as "wicked" and those who have received GOD's mercy and salvation as "blessed" or "righteous" - because they/we receive righteousness from GOD, the Blessed Holy One! Thus, since the fall - human beings are born in an un-regenerated state and are "wicked" because no one is born righteous before GOD except those whom He saved in the womb- according to the Holy Bible, as quoted earlier.

xproducer:

"Sweet" and "pleasant" are a human assessment of others...I am talking about the way GOD sees us (which is what matters)! Not how we see or perceive each other, babies and kids included!

It is you who does not know much, are humans not spirits and did the Bible not clearly tell us so, so many times? Even the physical that you know very well is spirit (spirit of the flesh and carnal and evil spirit).

Therefore, from one spirit to another we are at liberty to describe the sprits which We See.

Thus, Moses and Joseph were described as goodly children, Samuel had favour of both God and men, Daniel had an Excellent spirit, David was described as a ruby complexioned and when an evil spirit enters a man or is in a man, we all See it, as proven by Saul and the men possessed by evil spirits.

This was the Truth captured in G.O.T in the case of Joffrey (very evil) and Tommen; (goodly); same as Lord Reed both the one in the movie and the one in nairaland here have the same evil spirit.

We are able to see the spirits of things for all things are spirit, which is what and how God Sees. "The flesh profiteth nothing" is also The Law of seeing, if you want to see.

xproducer:

"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” - 1 Samuel 16:7

The flesh (physical) profiteth Nothing is The Law! All things are spirit!

xproducer:


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Friend,

1. "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins" - Ephesians 2:1 (also see Ephesians 2:5, Colossians 2:13). That is why the Lord GOD mercifully and graciously took the sins of many on Himself, and in return gives eternal life to those whom He saved/s (in the spirit, not in the flesh), though GOD also saves us from physical harm - I can testify to that!

Human beings - without GOD taking the step to draw them (John 6:44) - are separated / alienated from Him (since the fall of man in Eden).
"And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled" - Colossians 1:21

2. Saving a soul in the womb does not guarantee that the person will not die in the flesh. In fact Biblical history tells us that the prophets and Apostles of GOD experienced this (physical death, or as the Apostles describe it "putting off one's tent"/physical body).
"For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." - 2 Corinthians 5:1 (also see 2 Corinthians 5:4, 2 Peter 1:13).

However, they (all saved in the womb, or after they are born) have eternal life in their spirits - clearly seen when Moses and Elijah visited with Lord JESUS on the mount of Transfiguration - "Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus." - Mark 9:2-4

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life" - John 3:14-16

3. The Holy Bible often refers to unsaved / un-regenerated man as "wicked" and those who have received GOD's mercy and salvation as "blessed" or "righteous" - because they/we receive righteousness from GOD, the Blessed Holy One! Thus, since the fall - human beings are born in an un-regenerated state and are "wicked" because no one is born righteous before GOD except those whom He saved in the womb- according to the Holy Bible, as quoted earlier.

1. Being dead in trespasses and sins is one thing, but being born in sin is another. For example, Adam was declared good at his "birth" but became dead in trespasses and sin by the choices he made. Abel, who was born to the very same Adam -dead in trespasses and sin- was not condemned like his father before him as he, Abel made choices that were pleasing in the sight of God and was declared righteous(not dead) by them.

So, I really would like to be made to understand where exactly this notion that men are born dead in trespasses and sins comes from.

2. Are you say that those who were saved in the womb were automatically bestowed with eternal life from the womb(or sometime after the womb), as opposed to having to earn them through doing of righteous works?

You are suggesting then that, Moses was already sanctified even while he served as prince of Egypt because he was saved by God from the womb(or sometime there after) ?

3. And you bring me back to the same question I started off with. Where is the evidence for this claim "since the fall - human beings are born in an un-regenerated state and are "wicked" because no one is born righteous before GOD except those whom He saved in the womb" found?