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| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 12:55pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:I know you know but for the benefit of the others, I hereby state That it is The Law for Christians that they are not Allowed to Sin. A Christian is not Allowed to sin and every True Christ Follower knows that. For Christ did not sin and He Showed us how we too can avoid sinning! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 12:57pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Well, the Gospel of Kingdom of God was not given to each of us as a sort of moral compass of sorts, but instead as Law in the Kingdom of God. Given that Jesus Christ is a Covenant between God and individuals(not meant for groups or peoples), it makes little sense to sell God's commandments as if moral laws.  |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 1:02pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:If there is any commandment ...if...if...if... Do u understand what “if” means..?? When Jesus came.. we became free from the law, from set of rules that has little value to attaining spiritual ones with God.. Does the Bible or Jesus speak on acts like smoking, doing cocaine, or marijuana? the Bible doesn’t cover everything that’s why there’s need to have the spirit of God...Jesus himself said it... ur moral codes can’t give u the spirit of the living God... |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 1:11pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:1. Jesus Christ is the New Covenant agreement promised by God through His prophets.... He is the Law of the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ told you this severally when He declared that if you love Him, you will keep His commandments. He went even further to declare that those who belong to Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings /commandments, the Truth of God by which one can be set free from slavery to sin. 2. If you have ever read the Gospels, you would realize untrue it is to claim that Jesus Christ made you free from Law/rules. Beginning in Matthew 5 vs 11, you can read of rule after rule given you by Jesus Christ, the very same who announced that He had come to offer you a light yoke and an easy burden( a covenant). 3. The same Jesus Christ declared to you in His Word that it is not what you eat or ingest that makes you unclean/sinful/defiles you. 4. According to Jesus Christ, only those who obey His teachings and commandments can recieve the Spirit of God. READ John 14, 15 and 16 to learn the Truth of who can receive the Spirit of God. This is what Jesus Christ Himself declared. So I don't know which Jesus Christ you claim told you that obeying the Law has nothing to do with receiving His Spirit or the Spirit of God. So all this time, you had no clue what the standard is where it concerns followers of Jesus Christ yet you continued to argue that Chritsians were not worse sinners based on what? You just here made the Ops point for him. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:13pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Yes it did under The Law prohibited "immorality and Unlawful use of God's body" advanceDNA:Wrong! It Covers Everything! Which is why I Always Challenge Anyone to check and present anything Which God's Law did not cover! If you doubt take my challenge and prove me Wrong! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 1:25pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:U are contradicting urself... and assuming what I ddnt say.... |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 1:31pm On May 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Dtruthspeaker....I don’t like going into dialogue with u because u are always making it about contest...and how u will win... Immorality is just the opposite of morality.... Trying to sweep every act that the Bible didn’t mention under it is just lame and desperate.. Don’t be ambiguous |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 1:33pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Care to point to the contradiction? |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 1:55pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:U said this right: If you have ever read the Gospels, you would realize untrue it is to claim that Jesus Christ made you free from Law/rules.....meaning you are saying Jesus said we must obey the laws, right? Then u said : same Jesus Christ declared to you in His Word that it is not what you eat or ingest that makes you unclean/sinful/defiles you. The law said some food defies u... but Jesus came to tell u it doesn’t matter what u eat... hasn’t Jesus nullify the law...?? he also counter moses’s Law on divorce and stoning of women caught in adultery, and eye for an eye?? I could go on and on about how Jesus set us free from the 630 Torah laws and the curse that’s associated with it ... but I think u are one of those that believe only some part of the Bible...so there’s no point quoting the books written by Paul and the other apostles... |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 2:16pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:1. You were never born bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses, a law which God Himself decreed was between Him and those born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins. God never bound those of gentile birth to the Old Covenant and this you can learn of in Deuteronomy 30 where that covenant was ratified between God and the people of Israel. 2. The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, is instead the Law by which God chose to welcome those of the gentile nations into His fold, and it is only to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ that we are bound... the Old Covenant was never our business or problem to begin with. 3. Jesus Christ ofcourse did not nullify the Old Covenant law as the Law remains in full operation today and will remain so forever, but we who are of gentile origin need never concern ourselves with it. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 2:32pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Okay.. school me... u mean when Jesus was speaking to the Israelites all through he wasn’t really taking to them but the gentiles that will be accepting the gospel later?? When Jesus spoke to Israelites, saying “what u eat doesn’t defile u” but what comes from within you... he still wanted them to continue obeying the laws of don’t eat this, don’t eat that....? U mean when Jesus and the disciples ddnt wash their hands before eating and the Pharisees tackled him.... his response about being clean in the inside was what mattered was only for the gentiles... Can I ask u a question?... is the Holy Spirit for the Israelites as well, or it’s just for the gentiles? |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 2:49pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:1. Sort of. When Jesus Christ spoke to the Israelites, He spoke to them and to all those whosoever will believe in Him(gentiles included). 2. Many of Jesus Christ's teachings where different from what was the Old Covenant laws. He taught instead that we can eat anything that we want to eat(pork too) without ever worrying about it making us unclean or sinful to God. 3. His disciples were Jews, remember? His teaching was for the sinners in Israel. I.e. the lost sheep of Israel, and also for the gentile nations that were blessed by Him. 4. The Spirit of God is for everyone who believes and obeys the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ. In the Kingdom of God, there are no Jews or gentiles. ....we are all called Sons of God, and Jesus Christ is the firstborn among us. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:57pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Because The Only way to see Truth is that No One Can Fault it, for that is What Truth is. It is Flawless and Faultless. I am not standing up for my glowry I am standing up to help all see that Truth is Always a Solid Unbeatable Mountain Anywhere, Every where and You Can Trust it, because it is Strong and God Upholds it Himself, which is why No One Can Go Through it Exactly as The Bible says "For the arms of the wicked will be broken but The Lord Upholds the righteous." Psalm 37:17 So if one of us is not raised up to show the world that he is not broken and can not be broken as the Bible hath said, how then can people confidently trust in God and Rely on His Words? This world is plenty with Lies and as you can see everyone is Truly Confused as to know that which is True from that which is A Lie. Therefore, I rise up that ONLY TRUTH CAN SHINE and I Come to Destroy Every Lie Out there. That is the purpose behind my action and the Only way that this can be Proven is to Stand Proven. It is not for my glory but because I see and fear that many will die because of the Lies whereas I could have told them The Truth. So I come to say Only The Unbeatable God Held Truths before I depart from this world! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 3:30pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Is Morality not about Righteousness? Or Is there any Morality that is not Righteous? Or Is there any Morality that is Unrighteous? Or is Christ Against Righteousness? I can go on laying more pertinent questions arising out of your statement and thinking but is it that you refuse to see that Israel put aside God's Commandments and made their own?as the Prophets Complained which Christ too Pointed Out? Mark 7:6-9 ... For LAYING ASIDE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD, Ye Hold The Tradition Of Men,.. FULL WELL, YE REJECT THE COMMANDMENT Of God That Ye May Keep Your Own Tradition.. Law'er Paul whom you misinterprete clearly said the same thing in Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant (Ignorance in Law Always means "Rejection". Knowing it, you put it aside. In Law, ignorance is not Lack of Knowledge, and Paul and Christ The Law Himself knew that contd) ...of God's Righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness (Not God's Own), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Are you going to discoutenance that Christ, The Law Himself (Since you would say you strictly follow Christ and No other) said, that He, The Law was not Applied in Israel but was rejected via mark 7:6-9? There is Not One issue on Earth which God's Law of Righteousness did not capture, No not One exist! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Workch(op): 3:31pm On May 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:its funny how you think you are the person saying the truth here. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 3:41pm On May 23, 2021 |
Workch:A THING IS TRUE ONLY AFTER IT IS HOTLY TESTED. That is why God keeps referring to Gold and Silver for cleansing, because they are Purer and Shine brighter with more heat, Exactly as Truth is! So kill me, I will speak The Truth till I depart. If you can not validly and Truth Fully respond against me, then the Truth I bring stands, Exactly as you it does in your daily transaction! So kill me, I will still speak The Truth! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Workch(op): 3:42pm On May 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Lol  |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 3:53pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Good... if all your 1-4 points are valid... and truly there’s no longer Jews or gentile as u have mentioned above and as said by Paul in gal3v28...and that Jesus was speaking to Jews and gentiles alike Why did u now mention earlier that it’s only gentiles that shouldn’t worry about the Old Testament laws.... and the law is still very much in effect for the Jews, those having the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins. If the entire law is still in effect... why did Jesus counter the eating part Why did Jesus counter the divorce part Why did Jesus counter the stoning adulterous woman part and so many other part?? |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 3:56pm On May 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:I ddnt say you should speak the truth... I only said u make a contest out of it... for u it’s always about show off and who will win... U never entertain people’s opinion... everyone is wrong... u are the only one right in this forum |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:04pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:I told you it is not for my benefit after all as the Bible said if I have The Truth, it is for me. Proverbs 9:12 Secondly for me to say The Truth It means I know must know those things which are not True and therefore I can validly point out their errors and flaws immediately. And in the End That which is True is Seen! Thus fulfilling my objective of making Truth Seen! Is there any evil thing in what I have done? |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 4:16pm On May 23, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:Like I said...u are always right...and never lose |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:25pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:And I said it is for the Good of All prospectiing and hopeful God's children to Clearly See and Clearly Know that which is True! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by jesusjnr2020(m): 5:00pm On May 23, 2021 |
Workch:I must admit the standard of Christianity has really fallen short as you pointed out. Not that Christians of the early church were all perfect, but the moral standard of the lives they lived at the time was very high and exemplary, that an erring "Ananias and Sapphira" could easily spotted from the crowd. These days, "Ananias and Sapphiras" are now the ones that dominate the church, that it's those who are like the early Christians that now find themselves out of place. And you were right when you attributed such an unfortunate development to the "Antichrist" gospel of grace, which undermines the works of righteousness and hence made iniquity to abound in the church. But as I said, there are yet those who are true and living with the same high moral standard of the early church even though they are few in comparison to those who aren't. So those are the ones you should consider instead, or better still, let Christ the perfect Master be the basis you decide to become a Christian if you wanted one. God bless. 1 Like |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Workch(op): 5:08pm On May 23, 2021 |
jesusjnr2020:Bless you too but my point is that Christianity or religion isn’t the arbiter of morality. It was hijacked by religion |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 5:41pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:1. God is a God of Laws/Covenants and to each Law He binds whomever He will. God excluded the Gentile nations from His Old Covenant Law so Gentiles have no business considering themselves bound by that Law which is defined in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. You can read of this in those books how God made certain only those descended from Jacob(and to an extent foreigners who lived among them in the land of Canaan) could partake of that Covenant. 2. The Old Covenant, Like the New Covenant, is also an eternal Covenant so as Jesus Christ declared, Heaven and Earth will pass away but not one law will. Also, as Jesus Christ made it clear when He arrived, He came to offer the New Covenant to the lost sheep of israel(the sinners under the Old Covenant) and not to those already righteous, meaning the New Covenant has always been meant as an alternative route but not a replacement to the Old Covenant. So to this day, the Old Covenanat stands strong, binding those of Israel who are satisfied with the Old Covenant. So,the eating Laws that Jesus Christ preached were for those who are of the New Covenant, and no longer belong to the Old. All of Jesus Christ's teachings have to do with the New Covenant and not the Old Covenant. His teachings on divorce and stoning all belong to the New Covenant. ..the Old Covenant remains unchanged by Him. 3. Where it concerns God's Laws, it is against God to add to or remove from It any law or laws. So, Jesus Christ never changed what God had established of His Old Law. Instead Jesus Christ came as the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. He being the embodiment of said Law. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 6:05pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:You are contradicting yourself again and confusing me...u can’t have it both ways... U said The words of Jesus were for gentile and Jews alike...right?? U also said there’s no longer Jew or gentile..?. How come u still saying the eating and divorce part Jesus spoke about is for gentiles the only... Are the lost sheep of isreal not Israelites?? Don’t they have the blood of jacob and Abraham coursing through their veins... how come u are trying to say the new words of Jesus are for them but not for the other Jews that are righteous...... U initially claimed that all Israelites have nothing to do with the new covenant that the old is for them and that gentiles are the ones that that shouldn’t worry about the old.... u are confusing me...And contradicting yourself |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Sheunma: 6:21pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:I do not see it. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 6:21pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:You misconstrue what I write to you. 1. Jesus Christ and everything He represents is the New Covenant Law which is open to both Jews and Gentiles alike. Everything that Jesus Christ taught applies to any and everyone who is of His New Covenant. 2. The New Covenant welcomes everyone who accepts Jesus Christ, whether Jews or not jews. So long as they believe in Jesus Christ, what Jesus Christ teachjngs becomes the Law they are to abide by. 3. Pay close attention to what I type so you do not continue to confuse yourself. The Old Covenant is a separate Law given by Moses to His people is a separate and diffferent Law from the New Covenant Law embodied in the Person of Jesus Christ. 4. You can read up on the New Covenant for yourself by reading through the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) where the details of the Law are written out for you to learn for yourself. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:23pm On May 23, 2021 |
Workch:And I clearly told you that it was God (Christianity) who is the Creator and Setter of Morality as Shown and Proven by God's Laws.. There is no other law or peoples anywhere in the world whose laws or instructions have all the Moralities in this world Except and Only God's Law. No other Morality exists anywhere in this world! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 6:34pm On May 23, 2021 |
Sheunma:Read it again! |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by advanceDNA: 6:43pm On May 23, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Exactly..... Jesus taught that Old Testament laws no longer matters for example... u can’t stone someone for adultery any more, God doesn’t want you to divorce your wife, no more an eye for an eye...and every one is welcomed both Jews and gentiles... So why do u keep saying Old Testament is for the Jews and the new “laws” of Jesus for are gentiles and the lost Jew??.... As u can see u are the one that all over the place...contradicting yourself .. |
| Re: There’s No Moral Ground To Become A Religious Person. by Kobojunkie: 6:47pm On May 23, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Recall the following.... Kobojunkie:also Kobojunkie:So please try to be more specific about what it is you are still confused about.. |
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