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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by FarahAideed: 3:35pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


They do.
Maybe outdated scraps from WW2.
But they are better than none.
They don't ...they have 5;alpha jets that are dead ..the only new planes that are worthy are the 3 j17s that came and no single pilot or ordnance for them yet
Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Waterysperm: 3:36pm On Jun 02, 2021
I have read all your comments here. Did Ipob said that they are engaging in a Conventional war with Nigerian Army. They are not that stupid to start such now and they know it. That is why they are adopting the Guerilla warfare. And will still use this Guerilla till we achieve our aim. So many Igbos will die especially the Innocent ones that will be extra-judicially murdered. Even the Soldiers will deny committing such attrocities because they know that we are not fighting a civil war but rather a rag tag group just as they are fighting Biko haram. Know this, Nigeria can never win in this Guerilla warfare adopted by Ipob. Know this and know peace.
Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by richmond500: 3:38pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


Problem being that IPOB are not a conventional ARMY. So how do you single them out from the sympathetic Igbo society?
You going to commit another genocide?

Either way, you are making my point obvious.
IPOB must be sure they have potent air defense system before they can go toe to toe with FG.
Na democracy deh make u spit nonsense, Abacha would have level u all with brute strength.

What Nigeria is avoiding is civilian casualties, not like Ipob can take on Nigeria

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by GTkester: 3:39pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


That's not a strategy.
Hope and expectations are never a strategy.

No ally will show when you start a war and on the back foot with no plans.

None!

This was how Kanu was busy instructing Igbo youths in Obiigbo to hide in the bush when Nigerian Army went on door to door search catching and killing them.

Kanu had no plans. He was on Twitter tagging UN, USA, etc, crying genocide.

That's not a man with plans.

We all want Biafra. But I see no plans or strategic planning in IPOB and MNK that shows even a glimpse of him being capable of outmaneuvering Nigerian Military in open combat. None so far.

If you are looking at this whole scenario with an independent mindset,you would reach same conclusion.

Telling everyone to pick guns and start fighting NIGERIAN Military and police because the army of the Dead,aka Fulani heardsmen are heading our way, is no strategy.

There has to be a long term well drawn out strategy.
I see none from MNK and IPOB.



Bro, youre too intelligent for some punks here. I really believe we should prepare for this war staring us in the face, because weather we like it or not, war is in the offing. But for anyone to suggest that IPOB will win a war with Nigeria without war planes or at least attack drones and Anti aircraft missiles, that person must be insane.

One problem with many of the IPOB members is their obstinacy with whatever MNK says. I like MNK but it hasn't gotten to the extent of me loosing my brain to him.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by OfoIgbo: 3:44pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


I see.
My concern is that in whatever they are doing, under no circumstances should anyone living outside Biafra be partying while cheering on their murderous troops.

As we bury our Dead, they should be burying theirs too.
As we live under fear of airstrikes, they should be living under same fears.
They should not be living in peace back home while they bring war to us in our homeland.

Mbanu!

Your concerns here, are exactly my concerns.

That's why I am of the opinion that assault riffles are not enough for this struggle.
We must be able to hit them right at their homes, just they way they are hitting us.

We must also be able to sabotage them economically, by knocking out all the oil and gas pipelines thus drastically reducing their capacity to generate income to purchase arms. Nigeria is heavily dependent on the oil and gas, which are luckily within the striking range of IPOB

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Igboid: 3:44pm On Jun 02, 2021
richmond500:
Na democracy deh make u spit nonsense, Abacha would have level u all with brute strength

OBJ even levelled Odi Bayelsa in a democracy. cry

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Valkrie: 3:46pm On Jun 02, 2021
FreeIgbos:


Stop this tales by moonlight fables!
The entire South must unite to fight them or ESN returns to the bush and continue fighting in a guerilla way. An open confrontation with the rest of Nigeria still together is nothing but asking for suicide and annihilation.

You think there is any difference between Boko Haram, bandits and herdsmen? These groups are together and they have the blessings of Aso rock! Once there is war, they will immediately jettison their fight and close ranks to face us! Remember that Niger rep is also with them. If the entire South unites to fight them, we will be able to cut them off from the sea and also block our airspace effectively.

Bandits/Boko Haram is already armed and experienced in fighting! Have you asked yourself why the government is not really interested in destroying them? They actually secretly support them and see them as a standby army.

Hubris does not win war but intelligence and careful planning.

#Ozoemena!!!

Said exactly this here sometime and some people who claimed to be patriot where spewing rubbish...boko/iswap and fulani marauders are one and same and all are northern fulani standing army should things go sour...they are just using the Nigerian army as practice and also to play psychological warfare on the people...by the time the northern fulani thugs unleash them on the rest of country...their propaganda would be..militia that a whole nigerian army cannot defeat is coming to wipe all out...some would fall and those who stand their ground would prevail...!!

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by richmond500: 3:47pm On Jun 02, 2021
GTkester:




Bro, youre too intelligent for some punks here. I really believe we should prepare for this war staring us in the face, because weather we like it or not, war is in the offing. But for anyone to suggest that IPOB will win a war with Nigeria without war planes or at least attack drones and Anti aircraft missiles, that person must be insane.

One problem with many of the IPOB members is their obstinacy with whatever MNK says. I like MNK but it hasn't gotten to the extent of me loosing my brain to him.
No single country in Africa can win against Nigeria in a war, maybe Egypt, Morroco and South Africa will come close.

Ipob with less than 2,000 armed people can only dream

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by PARADIZEPRIEST: 3:50pm On Jun 02, 2021
SICK PPL,YOU THINK WAR IS FUN LIKE YOU WATCH IN MOVIES,MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS sad

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by richmond500: 3:51pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


OBJ even levelled Odi Bayelsa in a democracy. cry
And which isn't right, in democracy, u shouldn't do that.

If it was military era, the fight for don start tay tay, Ipob are actually daring the Nigerian military, they will be the greatest losers if the war starts, not many third world countries can actually take on Nigeria in a war and definitely not Igbos

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by SenatePresdo(m): 3:53pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


That's not a strategy.
Hope and expectations are never a strategy.

No ally will show when you start a war and on the back foot with no plans.

None!

This was how Kanu was busy instructing Igbo youths in Obiigbo to hide in the bush when Nigerian Army went on door to door search catching and killing them.

Kanu had no plans. He was on Twitter tagging UN, USA, etc, crying genocide.

That's not a man with plans.

We all want Biafra. But I see no plans or strategic planning in IPOB and MNK that shows even a glimpse of him being capable of outmaneuvering Nigerian Military in open combat. None so far.

If you are looking at this whole scenario with an independent mindset,you would reach same conclusion.

Telling everyone to pick guns and start fighting NIGERIAN Military and police because the army of the Dead,aka Fulani heardsmen are heading our way, is no strategy.

There has to be a long term well drawn out strategy.
I see none from MNK and IPOB.
You made a lot of sense with your posts about this I must admit.
But warfare is based on deception.

And MNK always say that it's not everything he would say on Air.

Some one called in from Austin Texas, asking him to give the order, that people are ready to come back home and help the boys develope explosives like land mine and others.

But he told him to not to worry yet.

Another called, asking for gun to be given to him so as to come back from Lagos and fight, MNK told him anybody cannot just ask for weapon, and it would be given to him, citing that's it no how it is done.

Even if We eventually gets to aquire A thaad or Iron dome, it won't be something he would air live prior to it's acquisition.

He's an intellectual, and contrary to popular belief he doesn't call all the shots in IPOB.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by puzzlegate(m): 3:54pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


That's not a strategy.
Hope and expectations are never a strategy.

No ally will show when you start a war and on the back foot with no plans.

None!

This was how Kanu was busy instructing Igbo youths in Obiigbo to hide in the bush when Nigerian Army went on door to door search catching and killing them.

Kanu had no plans. He was on Twitter tagging UN, USA, etc, crying genocide.

That's not a man with plans.

We all want Biafra. But I see no plans or strategic planning in IPOB and MNK that shows even a glimpse of him being capable of outmaneuvering Nigerian Military in open combat. None so far.

If you are looking at this whole scenario with an independent mindset,you would reach same conclusion.

Telling everyone to pick guns and start fighting NIGERIAN Military and police because the army of the Dead,aka Fulani heardsmen are heading our way, is no strategy.

There has to be a long term well drawn out strategy.
I see none from MNK and IPOB.
Oga, stop saying we want Biafra. YOU don't want biafran, because you don't talk like a BIAFRAN. Seems rather to me like an imposter or a sabo. How can you be castigating a man who has sacrificed so much with out any pinch of praise to him. Oga , Mr know -all go and take over the leadership or start your own struggle and stop posing as a master strategist on social media.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Unik3030: 3:54pm On Jun 02, 2021
Calculating:


Does Boko Haram have war planes? If No, why have they not been defeated?

You forget there are arms now that grounds war plane?

E go shock una.
so at this stage u are yet to realise that northern elders are using Boko haram as cash cow,they set aside 1 bn dollars for ammunition n didn't buy anything n for your mind u believe they are fighting anything.

If at this stage u don't know Boko haram is politically motivated then u are a dunce,notice that they have exhausted all options of cashing out through Boko haram so they are now kidnapping for ransome.

Don't think ESN will enjoy the privilege because there's no unity between Nnamdi Kanu n your governors, instead of Nnamdi Kanu to allign with them u can see how he's insulting them n threatening them with death to the extent that they are d ones dealing with u

Don't ever compare Boko haram to ESN,if u are wise u will get a clear picture from how they are treating Gumi n how they treated ikonso,that's 2 scenerios that will make u understand that u don't compare both

Nnamdi Kanu is too lousy, arrogant n loose to get support from politicians,one day he go just vex n open their secret

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by puzzlegate(m): 4:01pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


Don't be stupid.

Gods don't fight and win battles.

Humans fight battles and those with superior strategy and weapons to deploy them win in the end.

If MNK and IPOB are going to engage FG in combat.
They have to show Ndiigbo where they parked their warcrafts, where their trained pilots for them are, where they kept their unlimited supply of weapons.
Where is their advanced agricultural system in SE that would ensure we have steady supply of foods all through.
Where is their air defense systems to bring down NIGERIAN WW1 archaic flying metal scraps from air and to stop their missles from hitting our markets.

How do they plan to bomb places like Kano, Abuja and other strategic Northern towns in retaliation should FG rain bombs on Igbo cities.

These are questions we had no answers for in 1967-70.

And if MNK and IPOB have no answers for them 51years later, then they should go and take a chill somewhere.

They should not start what they are incapable of sustaining let alone finishing. They should stop this social media stupid braggadocios. It will help no one in Igboland.

who is this fellow talking like a Kid ! That KANU should show Ndigbo where he parked his weapons. Are you alright ? Or they sent you. Continue typing trash !

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by EsomahJD: 4:07pm On Jun 02, 2021
bigpriik:

Igbos are not illiterate when jungle mature allies go show


I don't know how old most of you are, but I suspect most of you making noise on social media lacks history of your region and the relation with international bodies.

I will urge you to listen to your brother (the guy you quoted) with superior counsel because most of you sound too naive, to even read your comments online shows most of you have not taken time to read the history of last civil war, the topography of the area , the mistakes, and eventual failures.

My friend you will be joking if you think you will be fighting just the Nigerian army.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Unik3030: 4:07pm On Jun 02, 2021
Alusiizizi:


Hey,
I understand your grievance and you make good points but look a little closer, there is indeed a strategy. Cows and herdsmen were a platform to grow the ESN. The Nigerian army is not nearly as powerful as you imagine it to be and the ESN is an army of volunteers. Anonymity is an asset. Surprise is an asset. Those warplanes that terrify you so much, will they not eventually land(probably somewhere in the SE)? Not as if Nigeria has so many of them to begin with(26 last I checked). Even an eagle must eventually set foot to earth at some point. It is then that the attacks will come. When they are most vulnerable. So you see, the Nigerian army is just as handicapped as IPOB, perhaps even more so. Probably the reason why they have not yet won.

Victory to IPOB!!!
Victory to Biafra!!!
Victory to ESN!!!
it's obvious u don't know war tactics,they would have distabilised u from the sky b4 landing

Imagine they target a particular spot with over 200 Biafra soldiers n their airstrikes have already killed 50,like 40 injured.

At that point, everyone will b confused especially if the leader got killed in the airstrikes,just imagine how they would have demoralised your soldiers enough b4 landing.

Guy it's far from what u are thinking.besides the ones on land will work with the airstrikes so it's gonna b hard,I am really enjoying the analysis of that igboid guy.....he Sabi well,wars aren't won with emotions or religion allegiance but strategy

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Depressed101: 4:25pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


That's not a strategy.
Hope and expectations are never a strategy.

No ally will show when you start a war and on the back foot with no plans.

None!

This was how Kanu was busy instructing Igbo youths in Obiigbo to hide in the bush when Nigerian Army went on door to door search catching and killing them.

Kanu had no plans. He was on Twitter tagging UN, USA, etc, crying genocide.

That's not a man with plans.

We all want Biafra. But I see no plans or strategic planning in IPOB and MNK that shows even a glimpse of him being capable of outmaneuvering Nigerian Military in open combat. None so far.

If you are looking at this whole scenario with an independent mindset,you would reach same conclusion.

Telling everyone to pick guns and start fighting NIGERIAN Military and police because the army of the Dead,aka Fulani heardsmen are heading our way, is no strategy.

There has to be a long term well drawn out strategy.
I see none from MNK and IPOB.
true... Nigeria is still a full state with Lots of funds... A war is no what we want at this time

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by babyfaceafrica: 4:29pm On Jun 02, 2021
Kings999:



God fight battles and win.. cheesy
Why didn't Palestine airstrike hit isreal.. the God of isreal never let Palestine airstrike to hit isreal...

When a leader threat you, you have no option than to defend yourself...

Bet me no fulanis army sent to Igbo land will go back alive... They will all die miserable... cheesy

KEEP MY WORDS....
where were your gods when whites took you as slaves. Even a whole Benin kind was removed... Baba no dey whine yourself

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by GTkester: 4:40pm On Jun 02, 2021
SenatePresdo:

You made a lot of sense with your posts about this I must admit.
But warfare is based on deception.

And MNK always say that it's not everything he would say on Air.

Some one called in from Austin Texas, asking him to give the order, that people are ready to come back home and help the boys develope explosives like land mine and others.

But he told him to not to worry yet.

Another called, asking for gun to be given to him so as to come back from Lagos and fight, MNK told him anybody cannot just ask for weapon, and it would be given to him, citing that's it no how it is done.

Even if We eventually gets to aquire A thaad or Iron dome, it won't be something he would air live prior to it's acquisition.

He's an intellectual, and contrary to popular belief he doesn't call all the shots in IPOB.



Good! But I've listened to MNK a few times, beleive me, he doesn't come across as someone with the emotional intelligence to effect any real change. Propaganda is not real change. MNK seems not to understand the weight of what he's asking for. He seems to think that this endeavor is child's play. For comparison, try and listen to Dr Ayaba Cho the Ambazonia grand commander and you'd realize that MNK not only pales in comparison, but does not have any transformational leadership qualities.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Collyweed: 4:44pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


Don't be stupid.

Gods don't fight and win battles.

Humans fight battles and those with superior strategy and weapons to deploy them win in the end.

If MNK and IPOB are going to engage FG in combat.
They have to show Ndiigbo where they parked their warcrafts, where their trained pilots for them are, where they kept their unlimited supply of weapons.
Where is their advanced agricultural system in SE that would ensure we have steady supply of foods all through.
Where is their air defense systems to bring down NIGERIAN WW1 archaic flying metal scraps from air and to stop their missles from hitting our markets.

How do they plan to bomb places like Kano, Abuja and other strategic Northern towns in retaliation should FG rain bombs on Igbo cities.

These are questions we had no answers for in 1967-70.

And if MNK and IPOB have no answers for them 51years later, then they should go and take a chill somewhere.

They should not start what they are incapable of sustaining let alone finishing. They should stop this social media stupid braggadocios. It will help no one in Igboland.


Don't mind them! Anucha anuru aputa na ogbo n'akogheri .

It is news to them that god has an unfortunate habit of always siding with the larger and better equipped army.

I keep hearing this nonsense about how it is difficult to defeat guerrillas. This is just ignorance. This only works when you obey civil rights and avoid war crimes. This doesn't work when you are ready (and obviously eager as in the case of the uniformed thugs nicknamed the Nigerian Army) to commit war crimes and gruesome repression of non-combatants.

People like to talk about Vietnam and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In the case of Vietnam, the US won every major battle but lost the war because they lacked popular home support for continued engagement. Lack of popular home support and culture also meant that US were not willing or able to be fully repressive or commit war crimes. In our case, Igbo blood is the very tonic that enlivens the lives of our neighbours and fellow countrymen. All Igbos are guilty of any and every crime committed by any single Igbo. Most Nigerians don't see anything wrong with uniformed thugs killing innocent people (they demand it in the case of Igbos) if such people are not related to them.

In the case of Afghanistan, the Afghans had strong US support (specifically, the US provided the shoulder mounted Stinger missiles which were very effective against Soviet helos and tanks. They had a mountainous terrain very suitable for a guerrilla type insurgency and ill suited for mechanized operations by the Soviets. From what I have seen the ESN are very lightly armed. In addition to not having any support from major powers, they don't even have overwhelming local support.

In contrast, Russia was able to defeat the Chechens because they didn't care to differentiate between combatants and non-combatants. Similarly Sri Lanka defeated the Tamil Tigers using similarly repressive tactics.

While there is some possibility that IPOB may prevail for some time and wear down the uniformed thugs(NA), an intelligent person needs to ask if the potential costs will be worth it. In the first place, there are clear alternatives to armed conflict at this time especially as it is increasingly clear that Nigeria is going to fail anyway. In the second place, there is a strong possibility that even if they are able to prevail against the NA, they would then have to contend with ISWAP because bogging down the Nigerian military in Alaigbo will only bring the front of that other conflict closer to our doorsteps. There is no way you can look at this dispassionately without concluding that this is a losing situation.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by GTkester: 5:05pm On Jun 02, 2021
Collyweed:


Don't mind them! Anucha anuru aputa na ogbo n'akogheri .

It is news to them that god has an unfortunate habit of always siding with the larger and better equipped army.

I keep hearing this nonsense about how it is difficult to defeat guerrillas. This is just ignorance. This only works when you obey civil rights and avoid war crimes. This doesn't work when you are ready (and obviously eager as in the case of the uniformed thugs nicknamed the Nigerian Army) to commit war crimes and gruesome repression of non-combatants.

People like to talk about Vietnam and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. In the case of Vietnam, the US won every major battle but lost the war because they lacked popular home support for continued engagement. Lack of popular home support and culture also meant that US were not willing or able to be fully repressive or commit war crimes. In our case, Igbo blood is the very tonic that enlivens the lives of our neighbours and fellow countrymen. All Igbos are guilty of any and every crime committed by any single Igbo. Most Nigerians don't see anything wrong with uniformed thugs killing innocent people (they demand it in the case of Igbos) if such people are not related to them.

In the case of Afghanistan, the Afghans had strong US support (specifically, the US provided the shoulder mounted Stinger missiles which were very effective against Soviet helos and tanks. They had a mountainous terrain very suitable for a guerrilla type insurgency and ill suited for mechanized operations by the Soviets. From what I have seen the ESN are very lightly armed. In addition to not having any support from major powers, they don't even have overwhelming local support.

In contrast, Russia was able to defeat the Chechens because they didn't care to differentiate between combatants and non-combatants. Similarly Sri Lanka defeated the Tamil Tigers using similarly repressive tactics.

While there is some possibility that IPOB may prevail for some time and wear down the uniformed thugs(NA), an intelligent person needs to ask if the potential costs will be worth it. In the first place, there are clear alternatives to armed conflict at this time especially as it is increasingly clear that Nigeria is going to fail anyway. In the second place, there is a strong possibility that even if they are able to prevail against the NA, they would then have to contend with ISWAP because bogging down the Nigerian military in Alaigbo will only bring the front of that other conflict closer to our doorsteps. There is no way you can look at this dispassionately without concluding that this is a losing situation.



Wow, bro I read your post with so much fascination. I never knew there are military advisors on nairaland. You're indeed intelligent

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Igboid: 5:52pm On Jun 02, 2021
OfoIgbo:


Your concerns here, are exactly my concerns.

That's why I am of the opinion that assault riffles are not enough for this struggle.
We must be able to hit them right at their homes, just they way they are hitting us.

We must also be able to sabotage them economically, by knocking out all the oil and gas pipelines thus drastically reducing their capacity to generate income to purchase arms. Nigeria is heavily dependent on the oil and gas, which are luckily within the striking range of IPOB

And this is where the problem lies.

If you strike a crude oil flow station in Minority areas of the South, they would not accept it. They would claim they were neutral and you brought your war to them, Never mind that they would allow FG to continue harnessing the oil in those flow stations to generate funds to commit war crimes in Igboland.

The Yorubas would look the other way, while the FG uses Lagos port to import weapons and military gears to use against Biafra. They would claim they are neutral while allowing FG use those ports, but immediately you bomb those ports to stall the FG, Yorubas would claim you attacked Yorubaland.

So you see. This is not as easy as you think.
We need a real plan long term one, because this is a war we cannot afford to lose again,not atleast lose without our enemies suffering severe casualties in their homelands as much as we suffered.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by TabletMan: 5:53pm On Jun 02, 2021
Alusiizizi:



We should be able to inflict maximum pain on them over there too. If they insist on bringing death to our cities again.
People should not be able to rain bombs on our heads without having to worry about bombs from us raining down on their wives and children back home. This should be basic law of group survival.

Seconded here, and indeed there will be a time for that. We are long past those protests and puzzling petitions to UN, EU or whatever. The ESN is growing nicely and it's not hard to imagine the formation a death squad detachment along with the ranks. The same terror that they rain from the skies of Biafra, they will see with the blood of their wives and children. Patience. One must learn to crawl before one can walk.


It is my belief that until we have acquired the ability to do the above, we should deescalate hostilities with Nigerian Military and quietly go on the drawing board.
We and Nigerians always knew since 1970 that a second Biafran war is a matter of when and not IF.
We have like forever to prepare for this. And it's not written anywhere that this our generation must win this war. We can lay down the solid foundation that would put the next generation in a very strong position of winning this coming war.

To this point, I contend that we already have acquired this ability but there is not a collective awareness of this. Right now it's but a guerilla affair, but mark my words, the time will come when the skill and talent of Biafra will begin to manifest, at then Nigeria will not be able to buy enough warplanes to avert its doom.


I don't favour or like our current odds against these people. We are by no means in a good position to sustain this for now.

We wanted to prove a point, and we have done that already, we should deescalate issues and IPOB and all concerned should go underground and provide answers to those questions I posed so that the coming generation will not have to deal with those same questions.

Because those were questions our parents had no answers for in 1967-70 and it's painful to note that we still don't have answers for them today.

I have to contend this point. I think our odds are great. Especially now.
My friend, you have nothing to contend in his point. Your odd against Nigeria military is 0 infact NA+NAF ga ata Esn ka abacha. Make una no dey make noise because most of you don't know the capabilty of NA but will rather coome here to write emotional epistle.
Naf recently have acquired jf17 which is 4.5 gen aircraft and will not hestitate to drop bomb on kanu's foot soldiers with the bird. What or how will rag tag boys with assult riffles defend or strike or even succeed with that flying killing machine against them? Very soon Nigeria will take delivery of tucano and c4 drone in addition to the jf17. Just tell me the odd you have against them or do you think winning war against a state military is all about beating chest on radio?

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by SenatePresdo(m): 5:55pm On Jun 02, 2021
GTkester:




Good! But I've listened to MNK a few times, beleive me, he doesn't come across as someone with the emotional intelligence to effect any real change. Propaganda is not real change. MNK seems not to understand the weight of what he's asking for. He seems to think that this endeavor is child's play. For comparison, try and listen to Dr Ayaba Cho the Ambazonia grand commander and you'd realize that MNK not only pales in comparison, but does not have any transformational leadership qualities.

MNK is not a Military personnel, neither is he a politician, I understand his limits.

It depends on what you refer to as real change. Only a few would face what MNK is facing and wouldn't give up.
You can take Uwazuruike as an example.

If you actually listen to MNK to understand him, you would realize that he's not calling for War.
He's only emphasizing on we defending ourselves against the Nigerian aggressors.

You can see what Herdsmen are doing in Ebonyi, are we going to wait until we can be able to produce Nuclear warheads before we defend ourselves?
One thing with Igbos is that we don't even know our limit. If we keep waiting until we get jet fighters and armoured tank, I can assure you that the killings would eventually reach out major cities (that's if it has not even started).

Do we even have option than to defend ourseleve?
When it started in Benue people were handling it with kids glove, even their Governors.
But now it has reached to the stage where
Gov. ortom is even telling Benue people to defend their selves, something they should have started long ago. Why don't he wait until Benue people can be able to produce their own gun before asking them to defend themselves?

That's exactly what MNK is saying, and people will be misquoting him for calling for War.

Out governors are not proactive, when water pass garri, they would start talking the way ortom is talking now.

Must we wait for soap to enter our eyes before we rinse our face?

And again, you can't compare him to the Ambazonian leadership because Ambazonian political class are for the Ambazonians, can the same be said of Biafra.

MNK is trying. But he's not a superhero.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Nobody: 5:57pm On Jun 02, 2021
babyfaceafrica:
where were your gods when whites took you as slaves. Even a whole Benin kind was removed... Baba no dey whine yourself


Okay so the igbos should fold there hands and watch Buhari kill them, you are sick in your head...
Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Igboid: 5:58pm On Jun 02, 2021
Collyweed:


Don't mind them! Anucha anuru aputa na ogbo n'akogheri .

It is news to them that god has an unfortunate habit of always siding with the larger and better equipped army.

I keep hearing this nonsense about how it is difficult to defeat guerrillas. This is just ignorance. This only works when you obey civil rights and avoid war crimes. This doesn't work when you are ready (and obviously eager as in the case of the uniformed thugs nicknamed the Nigerian Army) to commit war crimes and gruesome repression of non-combatants.

People like to talk about Vietnam and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
In the case of Vietnam, the US won every major battle but lost the war because they lacked popular home support for continued engagement. Lack of popular home support and culture also meant that US were not willing or able to be fully repressive or commit war crimes. In our case, Igbo blood is the very tonic that enlivens the lives of our neighbours and fellow countrymen.
All Igbos are guilty of any and every crime committed by any single Igbo. Most Nigerians don't see anything wrong with uniformed thugs killing innocent people (they demand it in the case of Igbos) if such people are not related to them.

In the case of Afghanistan, the Afghans had strong US support (specifically, the US provided the shoulder mounted Stinger missiles which were very effective against Soviet helos and tanks. They had a mountainous terrain very suitable for a guerrilla type insurgency and ill suited for mechanized operations by the Soviets. From what I have seen the ESN are very lightly armed. In addition to not having any support from major powers, they don't even have overwhelming local support.

In contrast, Russia was able to defeat the Chechens because they didn't care to differentiate between combatants and non-combatants. Similarly Sri Lanka defeated the Tamil Tigers using similarly repressive tactics.

While there is some possibility that IPOB may prevail for some time and wear down the uniformed thugs(NA), an intelligent person needs to ask if the potential costs will be worth it. In the first place, there are clear alternatives to armed conflict at this time especially as it is increasingly clear that Nigeria is going to fail anyway. In the second place, there is a strong possibility that even if they are able to prevail against the NA, they would then have to contend with ISWAP because bogging down the Nigerian military in Alaigbo will only bring the front of that other conflict closer to our doorsteps. There is no way you can look at this dispassionately without concluding that this is a losing situation.

You couldn't have put it better.

Also Vietnam had USSR and Chinese support. IPOB has no single international support.



On the quoted. Spot on. Even some of the Nigerians in the space called SS are licking their lips in anticipation for Abandoned property part 2.
Look at what Wike did in Obiigbo. You can only imagine what such characters can do if we become fully vulnerable after losing another war? And there are thousands of people like him down there.
Let's not talk about the Hausa-Fulani and the Yorubas for now.
We are playing with fire here. If we must do this, then it must be well calculated and precise with nothing left to Chance. Our odds for success must be very good and we must have contigency plan A to Z on each phase. We must have the best brains Ndiigbo has to offer in all fields of human endeavor worldwide all on board and brainstorming on nascent ideas to bring home this victory.
This should be beyond Radio talks, waving Biafran flags, or believing in religious mumbo jumbo like saying that chukwuokike Abiama or whatever God is with you and have given you divine assignment. That's bullshit.
Ndiigbo are a race of exposed people and have grown past such folly.
We can, should and must do better!

This is something that should be done as a generational planning, and handed over to the next generation. It's not something you hurry. The price for failure is too grave and could be genocidal for Ndiigbo.


We must be very careful. Onye Ndi iro gbalu okirikiri nah amu Anya mgbe niile.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by TabletMan: 6:02pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


And this is where the problem lies.

If you strike a crude oil flow station in Minority areas of the South, they would not accept it. They would claim they were neutral and you brought your war to them, Never mind that they would allow FG to continue harnessing the oil in those flow stations to generate funds to commit war crimes in Igboland.

The Yorubas would look the other way, while the FG uses Lagos port to import weapons and military gears to use against Biafra. They would claim they are neutral while allowing FG use those ports, but immediately you bomb those ports to stall the FG, Yorubas would claim you attacked Yorubaland.

So you see. This is not as easy as you think.
We need a real plan long term one, because this is a war we cannot afford to lose again,not atleast lose without our enemies suffering severe casualties in their homelands as much as we suffered.
You have made undeniable wize points in thiz thread and its better you rush to twitter and make same point on MNK page because what is currently happening in the east no dey give me joy.
Ugm carried out raid at umuahia state cid but reading police statement about the attack they clamied that six of the gunmen were killed and even display picture proof, only God knows where police got the six men that was use to defend their gallantry. I am tired of police with NA arresting innocent citizens because of kanu exploits.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Collyweed: 6:22pm On Jun 02, 2021
Igboid:


You couldn't have put it better.

Also Vietnam had USSR and Chinese support. IPOB has no single international support.



On the quoted. Spot on. Even some of the Nigerians in the space called SS are licking their lips in anticipation for Abandoned property part 2.
Look at what Wike did in Obiigbo. You can only imagine what such characters can do if we become fully vulnerable after losing another war?


We must be very careful. Onye Ndi iro gbalu okirikiri nah amu Anya mgbe niile.



The first strategic mistake MNK made was sitting idly in London yapping trash about Jubril and what not while all the useless governors that tried to eliminate him were reelected in 2019. If we had 3 or 4 proper Igbo governors (not this current set of saboteurs and appeasers), we won't need any ESN.

Since he claims that the UGM killings were false flag operations, he should have known that whoever was actually behind the killings was working towards an expected end. Rather than publicly declaring a withdrawal (if only symbolically) using Ebube Agu as an excuse, he was sending conflicting messages. Making statements like "no one deserves to be in prison in Nigeria" after a "DSS" sponsored jail break and talking about "no check points". He just reminds me of Trump, very narcissistic and vain glorious.

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by RoyalBoutique(m): 6:23pm On Jun 02, 2021
bigpriik:

Igbos are not illiterate when jungle mature allies go show

They no know yet.

They know of only 50,000 people we trained.

They don't know of the rest of the things we have up our sleeves.

By the time e go set, e go clear for their eyes.
Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Igboid: 6:31pm On Jun 02, 2021
Collyweed:


The first strategic mistake MNK made was sitting idly in London yapping trash about Jubril and what not while all the useless governors that tried to eliminate him were reelected in 2019. If we had 3 or 4 proper Igbo governors (not this current set of saboteurs and appeasers), we won't need any ESN.

Since he claims that the UGM killings were false flag operations, he should have known that whoever was actually behind the killings was working towards an expected end. Rather than publicly declaring a withdrawal (if only symbolically) using Ebube Agu as an excuse, he was sending conflicting messages. Making statements like "no one deserves to be in prison in Nigeria" after a "DSS" sponsored jail break and talking about "no check points". He just reminds me of Trump, very narcissistic and vain glorious.

It has been repeated many times.

How can you claim to want a new country when you can not democratically depose the political elites in your area of control who are diametrically opposed to Biafra independence?

IPOB can command a sit at home in SE and all man obeys, what stops IPOB from hijacking any of Nigerian registered party, turn it into it's regional hub, elect candidates for gubernatorial elections all over SE, make sure to pick sellable young and high flyers in each state. Obey the zoning Formular of each state in chosing them, then use your radio Biafra to market them well.
Get all Igbos queuing behind those candidates.
Use your grassroot presence and your youths to monitor all polling units and prevent all rigging machinery from PDP or APC.

Out of the 5, you can atleast win 1 at first outing, and expand from there.


Imagine how easy all things would be if all political representatives from councillors to Governors in Igboland are IPOB sympathetic individuals.

Just imagine the possibilities and how far it can take this agitation.

BIAFRA is a political problem, and you can't tell me it doesn't have political solutions. Strong entities are usually destroyed from within.

I understand you don't want to be involved in Nigeria politics, but what if you can have your assets highly planted into Nigerian political system while at same time not being part of the system yourself.

I mean, you get to manipulate the whole narratives yourself in your region.

I don't know if I'm making sense! grin

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Re: What Did I Just Read About Ipob Military Strength!!! by Alusiizizi(m): 6:46pm On Jun 02, 2021
OfoIgbo:


I understand what you are talking about here, but the reality is that war planes sales go on between governments, or war plane manufacturers and governments, usually supervised by defence ministries of the manufacturing countries, so war planes may be out of the reach of IPOB for the moment.

But guided missiles should be within the technical competence of IPOB with its wherewithal. With guided mid-range missiles, IPOB can take the war to the enemy.
IPOB can also send in crack commando troops to some of these locations to ensure no one is partying, if you know what I mean. But this will be much later as I don't think a force of 50,000 is enough to defend Biafra and engage on these long distance missions.

Precisely my point. Imagine drinking burukutu and feasting at your daughters wedding and all of a sudden, BOOOM!! Pipe bomb wastes like 100 people.

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