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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ThierryJay: 6:45pm On Jun 05, 2021
Jokerman:
You mean David Villa that never won Laliga golden boot 1ce in his laliga life, against a two time Pichichi winner??

Remember we are talking of strikers only..
Villa wasn't far behind in Pichichi race on the 2 occasions. Scored 25 goals when Eto won it with 26 goals. Again scored 28 goals when Forlan won it with 32 goals.

More significantly, Villa won the Spanish player of the season award in 2005-06 which is a better indicator of individual impact than Pichichi. Forlan never won a player of the season award. So why can't we compare.

David Villa was a reliable striker highly sought after by top clubs. Forlan was reliable for only 2 seasons and grossly inconsistent in the others.

Not even in the same class for me.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Moura7(m): 6:52pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
Yes, Forlan played for Inter and flopped badly.
My point exactly.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 7:23pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
Yes, Forlan played for Inter and flopped badly.
We are discussing their career at La liga
Forlan was already old at that time he got to Inter. Didn't David Villa flop at Atletico too?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ddippset(m): 7:29pm On Jun 05, 2021
Lol

This thread don kolo.


From Suarez to Benzema to Aguero to Villa to Forlan to everybody..


grin grin grin grin
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 7:44pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
Villa wasn't far behind in Pichichi race on the 2 occasions. Scored 25 goals when Eto won it with 26 goals. Again scored 28 goals when Forlan won it with 32 goals.

More significantly, Villa won the Spanish player of the season award in 2005-06 which is a better indicator of individual impact than Pichichi. Forlan never won a player of the season award. So why can't we compare.

David Villa was a reliable striker highly sought after by top clubs. Forlan was reliable for only 2 seasons and grossly inconsistent in the others.

Not even in the same class for me.
David Villa had the luxury of playing with David Silva and Pablo Aimar at Valencia. He also had Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona with him.

Can you list the superstar midfielders Diego Forlan played with at Villarreal and Atletico aside Riquelme?

We are talking about Forlan that helped Villarreal to UCL Semis at their very 1st attempt.

Same Forlan without Simeon as coach destroyed peak Liverpool with coach Benitez and peak Torres home and away, and dragged lowly rated Atletico to Europa title scoring all the goals in the final.

You think it's easy to win Europe's Golden Boot playing for two minor clubs? Villa may have won WC, but Forlan was the best player of the tournament.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 7:45pm On Jun 05, 2021
ddippset:
Lol

This thread don kolo.


From Suarez to Benzema to Aguero to Villa to Forlan to everybody..


grin grin grin grin
Season don finish. Every topic is welcome
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ThierryJay: 7:51pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
We are discussing their career at La liga
Forlan was already old at that time he got to Inter. Didn't David Villa flop at Atletico too?
Okay noted for Forlan. But funny enough, Villa won La Liga at Atletico immediately after leaving Barca and he chipped in with 13 league goals which I think is average but not flop flop like Forlan at Inter.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by pu7pl3(m): 7:56pm On Jun 05, 2021
ddippset:
Lol

This thread don kolo.


From Suarez to Benzema to Aguero to Villa to Forlan to everybody..


grin grin grin grin

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:00pm On Jun 05, 2021
ddippset:
Lol

This thread don kolo.


From Suarez to Benzema to Aguero to Villa to Forlan to everybody..


grin grin grin grin
Welcome to BANTERVILLE

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ThierryJay: 8:04pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
David Villa had the luxury of playing with David Silva and Pablo Aimar at Valencia. He also had Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona with him.

Can you list the superstar midfielders Diego Forlan played with at Villarreal and Atletico aside Riquelme?

We are talking about Forlan that helped Villarreal to UCL Semis at their very 1st attempt.

Same Forlan without Simeon as coach destroyed peak Liverpool with coach Benitez and peak Torres home and away, and dragged lowly rated Atletico to Europa title scoring all the goals in the final.

You think it's easy to win Europe's Golden Boot playing for two minor clubs? Villa may have won WC, but Forlan was the best player of the tournament.
As a footballer, if you are good enough, you will eventually find yourself among elite team mates. That Forlan was demoted from elite company to Europa-tier teams is an indicator of his class.

And Villareal of 05-06 was mainly powered by Riquelme and Marcos Senna. How many goals did Forlan score that UCL season? A mere 3 goals and you are calling that "carrying" when he doesn't assist much.

I'd say their world cup 2010 feats cancel each other. They both scored 5 goals. In fact Villa scored higher percentage of Spain's goals than Forlan did for Uruguay. Meanwhile, Villa's Euro 2008 was better than Forlan's Copa 2011.

Forlan is good but not in Villa's class.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by pu7pl3(m): 8:09pm On Jun 05, 2021
For people that didn't know Forlan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wlX2y-nZfk

This guy could easily have been the talisman for a big La Liga team like Real or Barca too...
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:09pm On Jun 05, 2021
devvy44:
You’re always reacting to other people reaction to my post, e ensure me die say my post here dey give you hypertension
You dey do am wella so no dey form saint
Meanwhile we see C-boy work yesterday, Bad guy

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:11pm On Jun 05, 2021
Kilishihunter:
You dey do am wella so no dey form saint
Meanwhile we see C-boy work yesterday, Bad guy
Oya na check this one

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 8:15pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
As a footballer, if you are good enough, you will eventually find yourself among elite team mates. That Forlan was demoted from elite company to Europa-tier teams is an indicator of his class.

And Villareal of 05-06 was mainly powered by Riquelme and Marcos Senna. How many goals did Forlan score that UCL season? Less than 4 goals and you are calling that "carrying" when he doesn't assist much.

I'd say their world cup 2010 feats cancel each other. They both scored 5 goals. In fact Villa scored higher percentage of Spain's goals than Forlan did for Uruguay. Meanwhile, Villa's Euro 2008 was better than Forlan's Copa 2011.

Forlan is good but not in Villa's class.
Villa is elite no doubt. Let me remind you once again that we are talking about La Liga exploits, not really overall career play.

Be sincere. Villa at Valencia, Barcelona and Atletico VS Forlan at Villarreal and Atletico. Look at their individual performances minus team glory. Who's the Daddy?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by pu7pl3(m): 8:17pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
Villa is elite no doubt. Let me remind you once again that we are talking about La Liga exploits, not really overall career play.

Be sincere. Villa at Valencia, Barcelona and Atletico VS Forlan at Villarreal and Atletico. Look at their individual performances minus team glory. Who's the Daddy?
Forlan is the Daddy..
very easily, barely an inconvenience
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 8:17pm On Jun 05, 2021
pu7pl3:
For people that didn't know Forlan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wlX2y-nZfk

This guy could easily have been the talisman for a big La Liga team like Real or Barca too...
Thank you brother. Forlan was a player whom young Aguero and young Suarez looked up to in those days.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by pu7pl3(m): 8:18pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
Thank you brother. Forlan was a players who young Aguero and young Suarez looked up to in those days.
you're welcome
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ThierryJay: 8:26pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
Villa is elite no doubt. Let me remind you once again that we are talking about La Liga exploits, not really overall career play.

Be sincere. Villa at Valencia, Barcelona and Atletico VS Forlan at Villarreal and Atletico. Look at their individual performances minus team glory. Who's the Daddy?
Hmm, me I will choose Villa at Valencia o. Forlan had 2 very good La liga seasons interrupting several poor liga seasons, while Villa delivered goals more consistently across 5 seasons at Valencia. Didnt feel Villa much at Barca and ATM though.

Villa scored 186 liga goals. Forlan scored 128.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:28pm On Jun 05, 2021
pu7pl3:
For people that didn't know Forlan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wlX2y-nZfk

This guy could easily have been the talisman for a big La Liga team like Real or Barca too...
This guys was a pure beast with both feet abeggi

Him use barka do highlights, na why dem no gree say him pass Villa grin cheesy
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Santiago123(m): 8:28pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
I get you and that's quite right. It appears like most of the guys here actually rate Forlan above Villa and I am genuinely surprised to observe that.

My perception of Forlan went from extremely bad to trying to salvage career to hit and miss to decent striker with a one-off excellent season (2010). He was voted one of EPL's worst signings during his time there. For me, he was never a consistently reliable player.

Compare the above with D.Villa who burst onto the world class scene competing with Eto'o for Pichichi and scoring a 35 yard glorious free kick against Inter Milan in UCL. By 2010, David Villa was already considered one of the best 3 strikers in the world which made Barca go gung-ho for him. Forlan was never viewed in this light in professional circles which is why no top club made him their priority (not back-up o) throughout his career.

I'm sorry, but I even think Benzema is better than Forlan even with Diego's excellent WC 2010 and all. I wouldn't bat an eyelid if given a choice between the 2 before going for Benzema.
Great,by the way talking about LALIGA strikers I didn't see anyone mentioning Radamel falcao,I believe if we are talking about strikers brilliance (strictly LALIGA) not overall career,I believe he has a very good argument against the two afformentioned duo (2011-2013) he was widely regarded universally as the best striker in the world,where do u rank him in your all time laliga striker list?
Or am I overrating him?but i believe he was pretty good.
I also say u mention Ronaldo nazario,do u really think post 2002 Ronaldo was really that good in laliga(2002-2007) because I don't see anything he did special in laliga or did u put him there because of his overall career?if then yes,if not I don't see it even more impressive than falcao laliga career,I know he scored 23 goals and won pichichi in his first season,but after that he dwindles and never came close to reaching such heights(injuries also affected him) seriously I don't see why u put him there ,unless if u talk of his overall career or u add the legendary 1996/1997 season he had for us?
All in all looking forward to your answers thanks.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:28pm On Jun 05, 2021
devvy44:
Oya na check this one
Na only Spain him get goals against for 2018 (tournament wise) for the whole top 10 teams, so where you carry this your fake list comot from grin

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:33pm On Jun 05, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Na only Spain him get goals against for 2018 (tournament wise) for the whole top 10 teams, so where you carry this your fake list comot from grin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Cristiano_Ronaldo

Use this link verify am, when you’re done, open Messi’s file let’s see what your fraud has done
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:37pm On Jun 05, 2021
,..
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:37pm On Jun 05, 2021
pu7pl3:
For people that didn't know Forlan


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wlX2y-nZfk

This guy could easily have been the talisman for a big La Liga team like Real or Barca too...
Though Im not gonna wade into the villa vs forlan debate, I gats admit forlan in Spain was deadly, Was in awe of him at the 2010 world cup, that freekick that he scored against Ghana in the quarterfinals, omo very few keepers would see that ball
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 8:51pm On Jun 05, 2021
devvy44:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Cristiano_Ronaldo

Use this link verify am, when you’re done, open Messi’s file let’s see what your fraud has done
I don see am, and I'm still right, the picture ranked goals scored against teams tournament wise (euros, world cup and unl), after Spain which team click for top 10 again, unless you want to add total goals scored against top 10 teams anytime and if you do Messi trump am undecided
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 8:59pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
Villa scored 186 liga goals. Forlan scored 128.
Villa 186 goals in 354 games ( with Xavi, Iniesta, Silva and Aimar backup)

Forlan 128 goals in 240 games. No real super midfielder backup. (Riquelme was a Barca reject)

If you watch the Forlan video posted above, you'll realise most of Forlan's goals were GOLAZO and long range shots. He didn't receive killer passes before scoring.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ThierryJay: 9:38pm On Jun 05, 2021
Debroslink:
Villa 186 goals in 354 games ( with Xavi, Iniesta, Silva and Aimar backup)

Forlan 128 goals in 240 games. No real super midfielder backup. (Riquelme was a Barca reject)

If you watch the Forlan video posted above, you'll realise most of Forlan's goals were GOLAZO and long range shots. He didn't receive killer passes before scoring.
Because he often missed the easy ones passed to him. Make no mistake, Forlan is a Golazo expert and I can't take that positive away from him and he trumps Villa in this area.

But if you look carefully enough, for example, I also watched the Forlan video posted and noted that majority of his paltry Man Utd goals were there as Golazos. Now that can be misleading, because for someone who scored less than 15 league goals for United over 3 seasons, then anybody who watches 10 of those goals as golazos in a video would say wow this guy was f*cking mad for Man utd, yet the truth was that he was one of their worst signings ever.

Matt Le Tissier of Southampton was a prolific midfielder and probably the best EPL golazo scorer ever. Yet, a Robert Pires or Giofranco Zola would always be ranked ahead of him due to consistency and effectiveness.

To be candid, if Forlan had been more consistent in goalscoring in his career, I wouldn't be saying all these. But he was poor from 2001 - 2004, very good in 05, poor in 06 - 08, very good in 09 and 10 and poor from then onwards. Golazos cannot mask these gaps.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by ddippset(m): 11:28pm On Jun 05, 2021
It's getting clearer they will cancel this Copa America.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Jokerman(m): 11:33pm On Jun 05, 2021
ThierryJay:
Hmm, me I will choose Villa at Valencia o. Forlan had 2 very good La liga seasons interrupting several poor liga seasons, while Villa delivered goals more consistently across 5 seasons at Valencia. Didnt feel Villa much at Barca and ATM though.

Villa scored 186 liga goals. Forlan scored 128.
Why didn't villa win any laliga golden boot or European golden boot, any difference between villa and Benzema in laliga only?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by FirstbornWds: 1:07am On Jun 06, 2021
Jokerman:
Why didn't villa win any laliga golden boot or European golden boot, any difference between villa and Benzema in laliga only?
One has scored more than 25 goals in a season... The other is still trying to be "classy" with 23 goals.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Jokerman(m): 8:39am On Jun 06, 2021
FirstbornWds:
One has scored more than 25 goals in a season... The other is still trying to be "classy" with 23 goals.
Lol... Still no difference
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by FirstbornWds: 8:59am On Jun 06, 2021
Jokerman:
Lol... Still no difference
You wish
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