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Fejoku:
You're free to hate Igbos but don't expect us to love you in return. Expect us to show you the same feelings you have for us. He rightly used the word 'must' in that sentence. He didn't talk about your people or land. He talked strictly about Igbo groups tucked inside the various SS states including their own desires to go with Biafra. It is a MUST in this situation.

Kinematics:
I don't hate you as an ibo. Rather I hate your superiority mentality. Only you have right or knows while others are foo*lish and minority.

So the igboids in the SS do not have a choice of their own, rather you ibos have made it a MUST whether they like it or not. You see your life?

selemempe:
In this piece, I'm going to let you see why getting Biafra with only 5 SE states may not be a bad idea.
I will list my points below.

1. Other enclaved countries. Biafra would not be the only enclaved country in the world.
Lesotho is entirely enclaved inside South Africa. They have a population of almost 3 million and still have a higher GDP per capita than Nigeria. As far as we can have an internationally brokered deal with Nigeria to freely allow us use Nigerian airspace for civilian planes, we would be just fine.

2. Oil and gas money The south east has more oil and gas reserves than the Federal allocation it gets.
With oil in Abia and imo States and gas in Anambra state, we have enough of that resource to gradually build a more sustainable economy if we plan well. Don't forget that Nairobi Kenya was built with money from tea and coffee. Nairobi is more beautiful than Lagos built with oil money.

3. Military Today Igbos have no military and have no right to form a military. If we are allowed to go with our 5 states, we would have the right to build a military, To buy as much deadly weapons and defence technology as we can afford to buy. We can get Israel to even help us with a low budget iron Dome technology for aerial self defense. We can be able to take the war to any future enemies without being sitting ducks.

3 Customs, immigration today Igbos have no right or sovereignty to defend our land. Any abokì can walk from futa jallon and come and settle in the hills of Enugu. All we can do is rant as far as fulani government refuses to act, we can't do anything. Any trailer filled with whatever can drive into SE today without us being able to check what is inside. With biafra we can legally mount checks on our borders to check what is going in and out according to international law. Do you know that oil is being smuggled out of Anambra on a daily basis? In biafra, we can have checks for things like that legally

4. Passport if they allow us take our 5 states, we would also be obliged to drop the overabused Nigerian passport that can't even get you into Cape Verde. We would create our own passport and build its reputation on a virgin ground and with hindsight on how reputation can ruin a passport

5. Foreign diplomacy today Igbos are not known in international politics. With our 5 states, we would have the right to join the United Nations. We would have the right to build relationships with other countries on equal basis. We can even become a closer friend and protege to Israel, Our president can stand Infront of the UN general assembly every year to speak for us. We would automatically become a sovereign people. Very very important

6. Federal tax if we get our 5 states as biafra, all the billions of naira that goes from our region to Abuja in taxes will stop. That is money that we can use to build our nation

7. Federal fees instead of paying Nigeria government for things like passport, driving license, vehicle papers, radio and TV licences etc, you pay it to the Biafran government. That money can help us achieve a lot.

8. Policing in our 5 states, we will no longer have abokì people mounting road blocks on our roads and killing our hustling youths in the name of policing all because of deep-seated hatred. Biafra police would be 100% Igbo

9. Airport and travel with biafra of 5 states, we would now fly and land in Enugu (for instance) instead of Lagos or Abuja. Our government can even partner Air Peace to create an airline carrier that can later rival Ethiopian airlines. Where there is a will there is a way. Remember that

10. Sea port it gets tricky here but we have options that may be better than going to Lagos to clear our goods. We can import with more air cargo than with ships. Or We can spend money and dredge the river Niger and dock at Onitsha river port. All we need to do as a country is to buy barges and keep them at onne port, once a ship docks there, all cargoes going into Biafra would be transferred to the badges and sailed up the river Niger to Onitsha. Or We can also negotiate with Nigeria to use the Enugu-port Harcourt rail to transport containers and pay Nigerian customs. Either way, we would be fine.

11. Capital flight to Lagos and Abuja Igbos who are quick to build their mansions and businesses in Lagos, Abuja, port Harcourt etc would be forced to come home as they automatically lose the right to live freely in Nigeria. Those returning igbos and their money would help us start building or country from day one


12. I will come with more points but however, I'm not saying it would be a walk in the park. I'm just saying it is still better than Nigeria 1000%. But Building an enclaved biafra that makes sense would take a higher sense of responsibility and imagination than our current leaders are exhibiting, but it can be done

Modified
This thread is about those who are quick to blackmail Igbos and Biafra with the term '5 enclaved states'. It is not in any way meant to say that Igboland doesn't extend beyond 5 south east states.
However it is meant to show that we have more to gain in an enclaved biafra than in Nigeria.
I want people who are opposed to this idea to tell me how it is better for Igbos to remain in Nigeria than to leave with our 5 core states (at least for now)

Fejoku:
[s]Go back to school so you can learn specifically how to read and comprehend simple texts. There's a reason why we insisted on a referendum. This is an international practice whenever a destiny defining political decision is being undertaking. It has happened in Nigeria before and will happen again. Under referendum, different groups of people indicate their individual interests on what side they prefer. Nigeria will not have any Igbo group left inside of her as Biafra emerges. We all leave the shithole together unless a particular group votes to stay back.[/s]

Ikology:
Staying in Nigeria to make it work for all in equity and fairness is better for us. Remember we are largely into commerce. In Nigeria you will have a big area to transact business. Should we form our country, we have a small area to do our trading, across the border sales comes with a lot of bottle necks, knowing our type of neighbours, heavy taxes might be imposed on Biafrans doing business in the North or West, should we secceed.

koondog:
Yorubaaa...leave us alone. We will decide for ourselves and will take with us all our blood in your useless south south. Look at people in Akwa Ibom, Cross Rivers, Igodomigodo, Ikwerre, do they look like Yorubas or Hausas to you? They don't. They all resemble Igbo. We look different from Yorubas and Hausas. STAY ON YOUR OWN, LEAVE US ALONE, WE ARE NO THE SAME TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS AND OUR BRAINS FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY!

EdoDefence:
selemempe can I copy your post with a few ramifications for a similar post? because Ibos and Ẹdo people are almost in similar situation.

selemempe:
In this piece, I'm going to let you see why getting Biafra with only 5 SE states may not be a bad idea.
I will list my points below.

1. Other enclaved countries. Biafra would not be the only enclaved country in the world.
Lesotho is entirely enclaved inside South Africa. They have a population of almost 3 million and still have a higher GDP per capita than Nigeria. As far as we can have an internationally brokered deal with Nigeria to freely allow us use Nigerian airspace for civilian planes, we would be just fine.

2. Oil and gas money The south east has more oil and gas reserves than the Federal allocation it gets.
With oil in Abia and imo States and gas in Anambra state, we have enough of that resource to gradually build a more sustainable economy if we plan well. Don't forget that Nairobi Kenya was built with money from tea and coffee. Nairobi is more beautiful than Lagos built with oil money.

3. Military Today Igbos have no military and have no right to form a military. If we are allowed to go with our 5 states, we would have the right to build a military, To buy as much deadly weapons and defence technology as we can afford to buy. We can get Israel to even help us with a low budget iron Dome technology for aerial self defense. We can be able to take the war to any future enemies without being sitting ducks.

3 Customs, immigration today Igbos have no right or sovereignty to defend our land. Any abokì can walk from futa jallon and come and settle in the hills of Enugu. All we can do is rant as far as fulani government refuses to act, we can't do anything. Any trailer filled with whatever can drive into SE today without us being able to check what is inside. With biafra we can legally mount checks on our borders to check what is going in and out according to international law. Do you know that oil is being smuggled out of Anambra on a daily basis? In biafra, we can have checks for things like that legally

4. Passport if they allow us take our 5 states, we would also be obliged to drop the overabused Nigerian passport that can't even get you into Cape Verde. We would create our own passport and build its reputation on a virgin ground and with hindsight on how reputation can ruin a passport

5. Foreign diplomacy today Igbos are not known in international politics. With our 5 states, we would have the right to join the United Nations. We would have the right to build relationships with other countries on equal basis. We can even become a closer friend and protege to Israel, Our president can stand Infront of the UN general assembly every year to speak for us. We would automatically become a sovereign people. Very very important

6. Federal tax if we get our 5 states as biafra, all the billions of naira that goes from our region to Abuja in taxes will stop. That is money that we can use to build our nation

7. Federal fees instead of paying Nigeria government for things like passport, driving license, vehicle papers, radio and TV licences etc, you pay it to the Biafran government. That money can help us achieve a lot.

8. Policing in our 5 states, we will no longer have abokì people mounting road blocks on our roads and killing our hustling youths in the name of policing all because of deep-seated hatred. Biafra police would be 100% Igbo

9. Airport and travel with biafra of 5 states, we would now fly and land in Enugu (for instance) instead of Lagos or Abuja. Our government can even partner Air Peace to create an airline carrier that can later rival Ethiopian airlines. Where there is a will there is a way. Remember that

10. Sea port it gets tricky here but we have options that may be better than going to Lagos to clear our goods. We can import with more air cargo than with ships. Or We can spend money and dredge the river Niger and dock at Onitsha river port. All we need to do as a country is to buy barges and keep them at onne port, once a ship docks there, all cargoes going into Biafra would be transferred to the badges and sailed up the river Niger to Onitsha. Or We can also negotiate with Nigeria to use the Enugu-port Harcourt rail to transport containers and pay Nigerian customs. Either way, we would be fine.

11. Capital flight to Lagos and Abuja Igbos who are quick to build their mansions and businesses in Lagos, Abuja, port Harcourt etc would be forced to come home as they automatically lose the right to live freely in Nigeria. Those returning igbos and their money would help us start building or country from day one


12. I will come with more points but however, I'm not saying it would be a walk in the park. I'm just saying it is still better than Nigeria 1000%. But Building an enclaved biafra that makes sense would take a higher sense of responsibility and imagination than our current leaders are exhibiting, but it can be done

Modified
This thread is about those who are quick to blackmail Igbos and Biafra with the term '5 enclaved states'. It is not in any way meant to say that Igboland doesn't extend beyond 5 south east states.
However it is meant to show that we have more to gain in an enclaved biafra than in Nigeria.
I want people who are opposed to this idea to tell me how it is better for Igbos to remain in Nigeria than to leave with our 5 core states (at least for now)

goatgoat093:
Tbh I'm with the school of thought that feels it's better we just go with our core 5 states, Obigbo will definitely be added back to Abia state as the Asa/Ndoki people have demonstrated that they are unapologetically Igbos... some parts of Anioma will definitely go with us especially the Aniocha/Oshimili axis... so essentially with the 5 South East states, parts of Enuani and Obiigbo/Egbema, we are set to go as a purely homogeneous Igbo nation and we will be closing our borders for good after that, the rest of Nigeria can go to hell after that.

Igboid:
OP.
Finally our people are starting to see sense.

Getting just 5 SE states Biafra would be a victory.
First if all, it would create a Fulani-Herdsmen free sanctuary for all Igbos, and if we manage to create an economic and military sucees in it, we would generate a high energy suction force that would eventually suck back all our Igbo territories in SS back to us. And we wouldn't even be the ones doing the work, they (Igbos in SS) would be the ones doing the hard work to get back to us.

In life, never miss the opportunity to start somewhere and to start small. It always beat not starting at all or waiting for the perfect condition to start big.
Start small and from somewhere, we even if it means starting small, there would always be room for expansion.
https://www.nairaland.com/6570415/argument-economic-viability-alaigbo

Igboid:
For Igbos saying no to SE only Biafra, you need to start seeing the bigger picture.
After Germany lost the WW2, the allied forces divided Germans into West and East Germany.The West influenced West Germany while the East was under Soviet Union Communism control.
Additionally Soviet Union annexed parts of Eastern Poland to Soviet Union and in return elected to pay Poland back by adding parts of Eastern Germany to Poland.

So when Germans wanted to reunify their country, USSR insisted that she would not give up East Germany control unless Germany accept to give up German territories they had assigned to Poland.

For years Germans refused and fought tooth and nail to get those lands back, but they were weak at that point in time and those against them were stronger.
Eventually Germany accepted that USSR redrawn map of Germany that had seen Germany lose many of it's Eastern villages and towns to Poland.
It was a bitter pill, but it was a necessary sacrifice to achieve German reunification.

Read about it here:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oder%E2%80%93Neisse_line


Today Germany has grown so strong that she can take those territories back if she wishes and no fool can do shii! But she doesn't even care about them anymore. Success is a form of revenge.Germany is the biggest economy and richest Country in Europe, that knowledge is enough for Germans.

So Umunna! Let's start from somewhere. In the future we can choose to adopt the German(forfeit forever) or Israel ( slowly reclaim) strategy once we get stronger.

selemempe:
I pray that God blesses you nwanne. Amen.
You got the point 100

selemempe:
2. Oil and gas money The south east has more oil and gas reserves than the Federal allocation it gets.
With oil in Abia and imo States and gas in Anambra state, we have enough of that resource to gradually build a more sustainable economy if we plan well. Don't forget that Nairobi Kenya was built with money from tea and coffee. Nairobi is more beautiful than Lagos built with oil money.
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Fejoku:
Go back to school so you can learn specifically how to read and comprehend simple texts. There's a reason why we insisted on a referendum. This is an international practice whenever a destiny defining political decision is being undertaking. It has happened in Nigeria before and will happen again. Under referendum, different groups of people indicate their individual interests on what side they prefer. Nigeria will not have any Igbo group left inside of her as Biafra emerges. We all leave the shithole together unless a particular group votes to stay back.

DCatt:
[s]Which Lagos is built with oil money? The same Lagos that has fed you before Nigeria came to existence and still feeding all your dead states. Lagos was, is and will still remain the savior of Nigeria. Lagos would have been greater if not for your states its forced to tow along and you being a drag to it. Yoruba don't take oil money though we contribute oil and Yoruba don't take up to 3% of what we contributes to Nigeria. So remove Yoruba when you are talking about your deadbeats states of Nigeria. Btw, igbos don't have any oil, Obasanjo just did his igbo people especially Ekwesilli his lover a favor by adding two of your states. No drop of oil in Igboland, if you have you would have blown it up by now. So stop lying to non Nigerians who don'tknow how things are in Nigeria. Anyway the world will soon see you for who you are when you can no longer hide behind Nigeria. Why did you suspend regional govt and still afraid of going back? Because you know Yorubaland will get to keep its money and not have to share and be Dubai overnight and you will be like a wartorn region beside it.[/s]

selemempe:
you don't have the intelligence to be part of this conversation.
I won't reply you again
Cheers

Kinematics:
There are several definitions of the word Niger Delta depending on the context its been used.
Niger Delta as in SS Nigeria
Niger Delta as in geographical delta of the River Niger
Niger Delta as in oil producing states

Depending on the context you'll know which they are referring to. Have you seen anywhere south south people add any state that's not South South state when talking about Niger Delta?
Ibo man use your head oo and keep your palm oil producing Imo and Abia States to your SE neither are we referring to Ondo State. When South Southerners are talking about Niger Delta we don't mean oil producing states rather our geopolitical zone.

Ikology:
Staying in Nigeria to make it work for all in equity and fairness is better for us. Remember we are largely into commerce. In Nigeria you will have a big area to transact business. Should we form our country, we have a small area to do our trading, across the border sales comes with a lot of bottle necks, knowing our type of neighbours, heavy taxes might be imposed on Biafrans doing business in the North or West, should we secceed.

Rissamenti:
Abia and Imo are South Eastern states, whether you want to claim Niger Delta or not.

No one claims what is a fact. Read my post beneath this on what Niger Delta is. Besides, Abia and Imo States are Niger Delta States not because the produce oil but because of their geographical locations. States having these geographical advantages are oil producing states across the word. Not by claim but by geographical facts and natural conditions.

Nobody stopped Igbos from seceding with those states, as those were among the 5 states which Kanu refused, Why? Because even though Abia and Imo are ''Niger Delta states'' by your reckoning, they produce less than 2% of Nigeria's oil.

Neither Igbos nor Biafrans are seceding because you can’t secede from what you’re older than. Let me tell you that before “Nigeria” was created, Biafra was existing. Luggard has to fuse the North and South in the year 1914. Biafra was existing before this time. So, use the term secede appropriately
The crude oil deposit in Abia and Imo States is more than 2% as you’re claiming. Do your research. In fact, the crude oil deposits in these states have not been tapped simply because of the natural hatred the Fulanis have for the Igbos. Tapping from this will bring about developments to the Eastern region and since they’ve been in government, they don’t want this development.

And we know Kanu wants a lot more than 2%.

I think even Ondo state and Lagos state have more oil than the south-east.

You’re not sure but I can tell you authoritatively that they do not.

The south-east could well be the most oil-deprived region of the country after Maiduguri.

Never in a million years to come. I’m sure that you’ve not heard of Bakassi, having the most crude oil reserve in the whole of Africa. That’s why OBJ gave it out. Guess what, that region is going to be given to Biafra. Go and read about the Bight of Biafra. Then you will understand.

No wonder y'all so desperate to rope in the real Niger Delta.

At least, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu, GCBR (Grand Commander of the Biaflan Lepublic to come), is.

Nigercity:
Oga no sane Igbo man wants to form any country with you sir...
But you see etche,anioma (excluding ika), Ohaji, oyibo and co
Start clear out of there
As for ikwerre we have already dashed you guys!

Goodluck in your 9ja delta country

Kinematics:
You are still having same stu*pid I know it all mentality. So because you want referendum it means everyone must abide by it?
So I can come to your house and tell you what to do or how to live even in your own house?

Una see una life... na only ibo man know everything, everyone else is a foo**l , everyone must do what the ibo man says because he is superior to all, the rest are inconsequential..

Fejoku:
You're very foolish. It's always better to shut up if you don't have enough information on a subject matter. That is, if you're not deliberately being cynical about the issue. There are indigenous Igbos in all the SS states and we MUST go with them. It is not Gowon that will tell us where our land ends. Our people travelled to Lagos, Kano, etc but not the areas they occupy in the SS. These areas are our ancestral land and will never be left behind for strangers from futa jalon to annex. We will go to any length to get our people back to us.

oyatz:
Who is going to define a universally and acceptable borders/boundaries?

oyatz:
About 85% of all wars are fought over the ownership of lands or the rights to claim lands.

It's not as straight forward as you think.

1) Most times, there's no universally acceptable clear cut boundaries of ethnic homelands. It often overlap with the homelands of other ethnic groups ,thus some communities have multiple ethnic ancestries e.g Delta North

2) There is no universally acceptable classification of who is Igbo and who is not.

koondog:
Yorubaaa...leave us alone. We will decide for ourselves and will take with us all our blood in your useless south south. Look at people in Akwa Ibom, Cross Rivers, Igodomigodo, Ikwerre, do they look like Yorubas or Hausas to you? They don't. They all resemble Igbo. We look different from Yorubas and Hausas. STAY ON YOUR OWN, LEAVE US ALONE, WE ARE NO THE SAME TYPE OF HUMAN BEINGS AND OUR BRAINS FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY!

selemempe:
In this piece, I'm going to let you see why getting Biafra with only 5 SE states may not be a bad idea.
I will list my points below.

1. Other enclaved countries. Biafra would not be the only enclaved country in the world.
Lesotho is entirely enclaved inside South Africa. They have a population of almost 3 million and still have a higher GDP per capita than Nigeria. As far as we can have an internationally brokered deal with Nigeria to freely allow us use Nigerian airspace for civilian planes, we would be just fine.

2. Oil and gas money The south east has more oil and gas reserves than the Federal allocation it gets.
With oil in Abia and imo States and gas in Anambra state, we have enough of that resource to gradually build a more sustainable economy if we plan well. Don't forget that Nairobi Kenya was built with money from tea and coffee. Nairobi is more beautiful than Lagos built with oil money.

3. Military Today Igbos have no military and have no right to form a military. If we are allowed to go with our 5 states, we would have the right to build a military, To buy as much deadly weapons and defence technology as we can afford to buy. We can get Israel to even help us with a low budget iron Dome technology for aerial self defense. We can be able to take the war to any future enemies without being sitting ducks.

3 Customs, immigration today Igbos have no right or sovereignty to defend our land. Any abokì can walk from futa jallon and come and settle in the hills of Enugu. All we can do is rant as far as fulani government refuses to act, we can't do anything. Any trailer filled with whatever can drive into SE today without us being able to check what is inside. With biafra we can legally mount checks on our borders to check what is going in and out according to international law. Do you know that oil is being smuggled out of Anambra on a daily basis? In biafra, we can have checks for things like that legally

4. Passport if they allow us take our 5 states, we would also be obliged to drop the overabused Nigerian passport that can't even get you into Cape Verde. We would create our own passport and build its reputation on a virgin ground and with hindsight on how reputation can ruin a passport

5. Foreign diplomacy today Igbos are not known in international politics. With our 5 states, we would have the right to join the United Nations. We would have the right to build relationships with other countries on equal basis. We can even become a closer friend and protege to Israel, Our president can stand Infront of the UN general assembly every year to speak for us. We would automatically become a sovereign people. Very very important

6. Federal tax if we get our 5 states as biafra, all the billions of naira that goes from our region to Abuja in taxes will stop. That is money that we can use to build our nation

7. Federal fees instead of paying Nigeria government for things like passport, driving license, vehicle papers, radio and TV licences etc, you pay it to the Biafran government. That money can help us achieve a lot.

8. Policing in our 5 states, we will no longer have abokì people mounting road blocks on our roads and killing our hustling youths in the name of policing all because of deep-seated hatred. Biafra police would be 100% Igbo

9. Airport and travel with biafra of 5 states, we would now fly and land in Enugu (for instance) instead of Lagos or Abuja. Our government can even partner Air Peace to create an airline carrier that can later rival Ethiopian airlines. Where there is a will there is a way. Remember that

10. Sea port it gets tricky here but we have options that may be better than going to Lagos to clear our goods. We can import with more air cargo than with ships. Or We can spend money and dredge the river Niger and dock at Onitsha river port. All we need to do as a country is to buy barges and keep them at onne port, once a ship docks there, all cargoes going into Biafra would be transferred to the badges and sailed up the river Niger to Onitsha. Or We can also negotiate with Nigeria to use the Enugu-port Harcourt rail to transport containers and pay Nigerian customs. Either way, we would be fine.

11. Capital flight to Lagos and Abuja Igbos who are quick to build their mansions and businesses in Lagos, Abuja, port Harcourt etc would be forced to come home as they automatically lose the right to live freely in Nigeria. Those returning igbos and their money would help us start building or country from day one


12. I will come with more points but however, I'm not saying it would be a walk in the park. I'm just saying it is still better than Nigeria 1000%. But Building an enclaved biafra that makes sense would take a higher sense of responsibility and imagination than our current leaders are exhibiting, but it can be done

Modified
This thread is about those who are quick to blackmail Igbos and Biafra with the term '5 enclaved states'. It is not in any way meant to say that Igboland doesn't extend beyond 5 south east states.
However it is meant to show that we have more to gain in an enclaved biafra than in Nigeria.
I want people who are opposed to this idea to tell me how it is better for Igbos to remain in Nigeria than to leave with our 5 core states (at least for now)

oyatz:
About 85% of all wars are fought over the ownership of lands or the rights to claim lands.

It's not as straight forward as you think.

1) Most times, there's no universally acceptable clear cut boundaries of ethnic homelands. It often overlap with the homelands of other ethnic groups ,thus some communities have multiple ethnic ancestries e.g Delta North

2) There is no universally acceptable classification of who is Igbo and who is not.