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May God strengthen the church..... I'm sure she'll do fine

Kobojunkie:
[sub][/sub]1. Jesus Christ never said a man specifically have one wife. No, He instead upheld God's own definition of marriage as an agreement between a man and a woman, same as God did back in Genesis 2 vs 24

2. Jesus Christ did indeed so away with the need for a when He declared instead that the And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.” - Mark 2 vs 27 - 28

3. You are not called to follow in the footsteps of those you call the early Christians, not even in the words of Paul, but instead to put your trust in the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's very own Law in the Kingdom of God.

4. Paul's law against women is not in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ who instead declared that in His Kingdom, everyone is equal and Jesus Christ is the only Head over each one of His. - Matthew 23 vs 6 - 9

livingchrist, APOSTLECHUMA
I meant you should read this

(Except that Lord Jesus did not do away with anything because He and his disciples kept right on observing Sabbath. He only emphasized that extremism in observance of Sabbath was uncalled for)

livingchrist:
lol you omitted where it was stated that the jews only counted a day as from sunset to sunset meaning the Jews do not have a 24 hour system of day starting from morning to evening like we have, rather theirs is actually from evening to evening. livingchrist

What you count as Saturday evening the Jews count as the first day of the week.

My brother, u r confusing God's commanded day of rest with days of worship or gathering. I thought my screenshot made that clear. See the underlined below. They clearly observed the Sabbath just like all Jews. There's no need to lie or twist about things like these. There are many laws we don't obey. This is just one. Which emphasizes that we can't be saved through obeying laws.
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As for where St. Paul said women should not speak. See it below, verbatim, in black and white. 1st Corinthians

Qudsi:
This was same video that your false prophet AbdulFatai made before the internet became a thing and forced Alaba Tape distributors with bribery and make sure that they replace Bisola's tape exposing him with the ones his media team edited so it confuses people when they play it. He paid many like you who distributed the tapes falsely that Bisola was not mentally okay even as far as the North.
The same mental illness he could not cure all the years he was sleeping with her for 14years.

Your false prophet AbdulFatai like Muhammad almost succeeded but thank God for the Internet as Bisola has a YouTube channel now exposing him and more people are gradually coming out because they were scared all the years he was alive as he could kill and use his powerful connect. AbdulFatai was so dangerous. He knew how to use the media to his advantage. He even was paying top people like Ovation guy to cover his tracks media wise but thank God for the internet.

Any disciple of AbdulFatai has a confession recording of him or her that he uses against you when you leave him. All lies about Bisola getting money from him.

Here is one thing that tells me TB couldn't have been so evil: HE COULD HAVE EASILY KILLED BUSOLA AND OTHERS BECAUSE HE KNEW THEY KNEW ALL HIS SECRETS!

My brother I know nothing about SCOAN. Everything I know initially I got from Busola videos. Then I saw that in one video she said she came to SCOAN because her father invited her. Then in another she said because her house burnt. In one she said TB Joshua raped her that first time. In another she said she ran away. Then a man surfaced saying she got $2000 from him for TB not knowing she already left SCOAN.
Check my posts and you'll see I'm neither supporting TB nor Busola. I think they were/are both Scammers.
See a recent post of mine below, see how I mentioned T.B. among the crooks

PrincessGlow:
livingchrist, APOSTLECHUMA
I meant you should read this

(Except that Lord Jesus did not do away with anything because He and his disciples kept right on observing Sabbath. He only emphasized that extremism in observance of Sabbath was uncalled for)

1. The eSabbath laws are found defined in the Old Covenant Law of Moses, which in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God makes clear applies only to those of the bloodline of Jacob - God intentionally excluded those of gentile roots from His Old Covenant agreement with His people Israel.

2. God made a separate, and different Covenant, specifically for those who were weary of the hard yoke and heavy burden of the Old Covenant for the lost sheep of Israel(jewish sinners) as Law in another land, the Kingdom of God. And it is this Covenant, which has an easy yoke and light burden, embodied into person of Jesus Christ that God then extends to those of the gentile nations.

3. So, when Jesus Christ, chose not to import the idea of a holy day in His Law and Kingdom, He meant it.

4. Since we are not called to follow the examples of the disciples but Jesus Christ's own teachings & laws, and since Jesus Christ is indeed the contract we each have with God, it is indeed best to make a decision to submit to and obey His teachings and His teachings alone.

In John 15 vs 14, Jesus Christ declared that those who are His friends are those who do what He tells them to do.

It's well, the Church is marching on and the gates of hell cannot prevail.

Madam you are confused, didnt you read in that same article that with time, they stopped worshipping on the sabbath day, also why dont you go to the synagogue with the jews since the early Christians went to the synagogue with the jews?

As for what paul said, there is something called context, paul was not barring women not to speak on church, his command was for the women of that particular church he wrote to, because they were disrupting church, note that he said they should meet their husband at to be taught meaning they did not know how to behave themselves in the church and hence needed to be taught by their believing husbands.

There were notable women in the church, women prophesy and pray in the church the only thing a woman is not to do is to take lead or authority over a man in the assembly.

PrincessGlow:
My brother, u r confusing God's commanded day of rest with days of worship or gathering. I thought my screenshot made that clear. See the underlined below. They clearly observed the Sabbath just like all Jews. There's no need to lie or twist about things like these. There are many laws we don't obey. This is just one. Which emphasizes that we can't be saved through obeying laws.
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As for where St. Paul said women should not speak. See it below, verbatim, in black and white. 1st Corinthians

Kobojunkie:
1. The eSabbath laws are found defined in the Old Covenant Law of Moses, which in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God makes clear applies only to those of the bloodline of Jacob - God intentionally excluded those of gentile roots from His Old Covenant agreement with His people Israel.

2. God made a separate, and different Covenant, specifically for those who were weary of the hard yoke and heavy burden of the Old Covenant for the lost sheep of Israel(jewish sinners) as Law in another land, the Kingdom of God. And it is this Covenant, which has an easy yoke and light burden, embodied into person of Jesus Christ that God then extends to those of the gentile nations.

3. So, when Jesus Christ, chose not to import the idea of a holy day in His Law and Kingdom, He meant it.

4. Since we are not called to follow the examples of the disciples but Jesus Christ's own teachings & laws, and since Jesus Christ is indeed the contract we each have with God, it is indeed best to make a decision to submit to and obey His teachings and His teachings alone.

In John 15 vs 14, Jesus Christ declared that those who are His friends are those who do what He tells them to do.

But Lord Jesus said in Mathew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

My brother this argument did not start today. Even Paul and Peter had a big quarrel over whether new converts (grown men o) should be circumcised. That they went to extent of circumcising grown men ought tell you something.

Christ Himself kept the Sabbath, but was against extremism about it - like a starving man should not find something to eat on Sabbath

We try to follow early Christian examples because they were closer to the Source time wise, or heard directly from Christ. Plus those practices worked!

Bottom line, back to what I said in the begining - you can't cherry pick the Bible. We have to be honest and admit we don't follow some parts of the Bible instead of lying or twisting things or going for far-fetched interpretations of what is right there in black and white!

livingchrist:
Madam you are confused, didnt you read in that same article that with time, they stopped worshipping on the sabbath day, also why dont you go to the synagogue with the jews since the early Christians went to the synagogue with the jews?

As for what paul said, there is something called context, paul was not barring women not to speak on church, his command was for the women of that particular church he wrote to, because they were disrupting church, note that he said they should meet their husband at to be taught meaning they did not know how to behave themselves in the church and hence needed to be taught by their believing husbands.

There were notable women in the church, women prophesy and pray in the church the only thing a woman is not to do is to take lead or authority over a man in the assembly. APOSTLECHUMA

There you go lying again. The article never said they stopped observing the Sabbath. And you are still confusing observing the Sabbath with gathering for worship or remembrance of the resurrection.

No one ever abolished Sabbath day of rest. Even the Catholic Church did not. THEY SIMPLY OFFICIALLY CHANGED THE DAY TO SUNDAY to accommodate Rome! Day of rest for Christians now became Sunday instead of Saturday.

My brother these arguments did not start today. Even Paul and Peter had a big quarrel over whether new converts (grown men o) should be circumcised. That they went to extent of circumcising grown men ought tell you their mindset about following the law as much as possible.

And you really can't blame them. The Lord Jesus Himself said in Mathew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Everything Paul wrote he wrote to a particular church or person at a particular time, not just this.
Bottom line, back to what I said in the begining - you can't cherry pick the Bible. We have to be honest and admit we don't follow some parts of the Bible instead of lying or twisting things or going for far-fetched interpretations of what is right there in black and white!
Been nice chatting with y"all. Happy Sunday!

PrincessGlow:
But Lord Jesus said in Mathew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

My brother this argument did not start today. Even Paul and Peter had a big quarrel over whether new converts (grown men o) should be circumcised. That they went to extent of circumcising grown men ought tell you something.

Christ Himself kept the Sabbath, but was against extremism about it - like a starving man should not find something to eat on Sabbath

We try to follow early Christian examples because they were closer to the Source time wise, or heard directly from Christ. Plus those practices worked!

Bottom line, back to what I said in the begining - you can't cherry pick the Bible. We have to be honest and admit we don't follow some parts of the Bible instead of lying or twisting things or going for far-fetched interpretations of what is right there in black and white!

But you are not paying attention to what you are being told by Jesus Christ at all.

Yes, Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the Old Covenant, nor did He come to change the Old Covenant, He clearly told you instead that He came to fulfill it instead , and this He did on behalf of the lost sheep of israel, those for whom He brought a New Covenant from God for. - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34.

Jesus Christ lived according to the Old Covenant way, even as He taught His disciples of a New Way - the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God - and this all He did for their sake. He came to call the sinners, the lost sheep of Israel, to Himself, but first He had to free them of their obligation to the Old Covenant. This He did by fulfilling the Old Covenant Laws, attaining righteousness according to Old Covenant standards and then dying in His righteousness- a "righteous" death is only way to break from that lifelong obligation every jew is born into.

Paul, in his letter, referred to this as Christ's righteousness, rather than God's righteousness.

And all of this you learn of by understanding the teachings of Jesus Christ as documented in the gospels, and nowhere else.

Where the Old Covenant is Law is the Land of Canaan, Jesus Christ is instead the Law in the Kingdom of God - 2 different Covenants for 2 different Kingdoms and peoples.

Paul and Peter's argument on circumcision, among other things, pertained only to those Christians living in the land of Canaan where the Old Covenant was the Law of God in the Land.

Since she is the next spiritually inclined person to the owner of the church,I think they are in the right direction. But if they prayed about who steps up to leadership, the result might be different

Kobojunkie:
But you are not paying attention to what you are being told by Jesus Christ at all.

Yes, Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the Old Covenant, nor did He come to change the Old Covenant, He clearly told you instead that He came to fulfill it instead , and this He did on behalf of the lost sheep of israel, those for whom He brought a New Covenant from God for. - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34.

Jesus Christ lived according to the Old Covenant way, even as He taught His disciples of a New Way - the New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God - and this all He did for their sake. He came to call the sinners, the lost sheep of Israel, to Himself, but first He had to free them of their obligation to the Old Covenant. This He did by fulfilling the Old Covenant Laws, attaining righteousness according to Old Covenant standards and then dying in His righteousness- a "righteous" death is only way to break from that lifelong obligation every jew is born into.

Paul, in his letter, referred to this as Christ's righteousness, rather than God's righteousness.

And all of this you learn of by understanding the teachings of Jesus Christ as documented in the gospels, and nowhere else.

Where the Old Covenant is Law is the Land of Canaan, Jesus Christ is instead the Law in the Kingdom of God - 2 different Covenants for 2 different Kingdoms and peoples.

Paul and Peter's argument on circumcision, among other things, pertained only to those Christians living in the land of Canaan where the Old Covenant was the Law of God in the Land.

There you see again, if we follow what you are saying and go strictly by Chrit's words, you are not part of the plan. There is no reasonable reasoning that makes you part of "lost sheep of Israel"!

DonCortino:
greed will not allow them.

Las las religion na scam!

Religion is scam.

But salvation is not scam.

PrincessGlow:
There you see again, if we follow what you are saying and go strictly by Chrit's words, you are not part of the plan. There is no reasonable reasoning that makes you part of "lost sheep of Israel"!

I only told you of the part that had to do with Jesus Christ fulfilling the Old Covenant, I didn't tell you the rest as my hope is that you stop pursuing Him through the words of His servants and seek instead to understand Him through His own words.

We are ofcourse not called to become Jews... and we are certainly not asked by Him to the following of jewish customs, and this include the Sabbath custom. No, we are called as followers of Jesus Christ and His followers are those who trust in and obey His teachings and commandments.

PrincessGlow:
Here is one thing that tells me TB couldn't have been so evil: HE COULD HAVE EASILY KILLED BUSOLA AND OTHERS BECAUSE HE KNEW THEY KNEW ALL HIS SECRETS!

But sha she and others have been in hiding for their lives, from one undisclosed location to another, some allegedly receiving deaths threats from same.

PrincessGlow:
My brother I know nothing about SCOAN. Everything I know initially I got from Busola videos. Then I saw that in one video she said she came to SCOAN because her father invited her. Then in another she said because her house burnt. In one she said TB Joshua raped her that first time. In another she said she ran away. Then a man surfaced saying she got $2000 from him for TB not knowing she already left SCOAN.
Check my posts and you'll see I'm neither supporting TB nor Busola. I think they were/are both Scammers.
See a recent post of mine below, see how I mentioned T.B. among the crooks

Also dont forget she has managed to logically reply/explain the twists being pushed forth by the mega church, including the foremost angle that she is not mentally sound which video the church provided to discredit her.

mindtricks:
But sha she and others have been in hiding for their lives, from one undisclosed location to another, some allegedly receiving deaths threats from same.



Also dont forget she has managed to logically reply/explain the twists being pushed forth by the mega church, including the foremost angle that she is not mentally sound which video the church provided to discredit her.

She came back twice. He could have killed her. Truly evil groups will kill you as soon as they think you might be thinking of leaving.

I never paid attention to the mental nonsense. I knew right away that was propaganda because Bukola videos already warned me. I am talking about things Bukola herself said after she left plus her demeanor and the man who said from US that he sent her $200k. Things like that. Also Bukola twice begging to return - she definitely knew her life was not in any danger. Because people who manage to escape such usually run and never go back.

Kobojunkie:
I only told you of the part that had to do with Jesus Christ fulfilling the Old Covenant, I didn't tell you the rest as my hope is that you stop pursuing Him through the words of His servants and seek instead to understand Him through His own words.

We are ofcourse not called to become Jews... and we are certainly not asked by Him to the following of jewish customs, and this include the Sabbath custom. No, we are called as followers of Jesus Christ and His followers are those who trust in and obey His teachings and commandments.

You didn't address my point. Christ said pointedly that He came for "lost sheep of Israel". Explain to us how you qualify.

PrincessGlow:
You didn't address my point. Christ said pointedly that He came for "lost sheep of Israel". Explain to us how you qualify.

On the Cross, the New Covenant was concluded and ratified. His death marked the completion of His mission to deliver the New Covenant to the lost sheep of Israel and to obtain their freedom from the Old Covenant Law.

Christ's righteousness which He obtained through fulfillment of the Old Law is what is imparted to each lost sheep who would chose to believe Him. And this Impartation is in order to bring to an end their life under the Old Covenant. Once that life ends. A new life is necessary, hence the need for Salvation through the New Covenant.

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Jesus Christ's resurrection marked the beginning of the New Covenant proper. Jesus Christ then threw open the gates of the Kingdom of God to all those of the gentile nations when He sent His disciples to go into the world and preach it to all nations .

Kobojunkie:
On the Cross, the New Covenant was concluded and ratified. His death marked the completion of His mission to deliver the New Covenant to the lost sheep of Israel and to obtain their freedom from the Old Covenant Law.

Christ's righteousness which He obtained through fulfillment of the Old Law is what is imparted to each lost sheep who would chose to believe Him. And this Impartation is in order to bring to an end their life under the Old Covenant. Once that life ends. A new life is necessary, hence the need for Salvation through the New Covenant.

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Jesus Christ's resurrection marked the beginning of the New Covenant proper. Jesus Christ then threw open the gates of the Kingdom of God to all those of the gentile nations when He sent His disciples to go into the world and preach it to all nations .

So Lord Jesus, after all, did NOT die for your sins! He died for the sins of "lost sheep of Israel"!
See how you painted yourself into a corner. All this from your insistence we go strictly by what the Lord said and nothing else..
And, by the way, read further down, He also said this about people who accept the message: "they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” How market about that??

PrincessGlow:
So Lord Jesus, after all, did NOT die for your sins! He died for the sins of "lost sheep of Israel"!
See how you painted yourself into a corner. All this from your insistence we go strictly by what the Lord said and nothing else..
And, by the way, read further down, He also said this about people who accept the message: "they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” How market about that??

Recall that after Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, God condemned Him to Death in that same day and by Death, God meant that Adam would cease to exist after he closed his eyes for the last time .I.e. return to dust from which he was made aka perish in the grave. This is the judgement God dealt Adam was His sin of unbelief - the condemnation of sin aka wages of sin - Death. - Genesis 3 vs 17 -19

Well, all of mankind inherited that judgement(not the sin itself) and so since then all were born Dead aka condemned to die for their sins.

Now, fast forward to the Israelites. God gave them Law by they could be saved from Death. Sin is defined within the Law and so those who transgress the Law are called sinners. Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God says He has placed Life(etenal) and Death before them and then commands them to choose Life, this through submission and obedience of the commandments of the Old Covenant Law given to tjen through Moses.

Since God never extended that same courtesy to us, the gentile nations, we remained dead. We were not sinners since we had no Law over us. We were instead condemned to Death even from our birth - that remains the case to this day even.

Fast forward to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came off4ring Salvation from what? He offered to all (jews and gentiles alike) Salvation from the condemnation of sin aka Death - John 3 vs 16 - 21. And that is where everyone comes into the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ.

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I was not a sinner before Jesus Christ. I was dead, condemned so by God.

And recall the lost sheep who believed in Jesus Christ and were imparted with Christ's Righteousness and death on the cross , releasing them from their obligation to the Old Covenant? Well, they too, dead to the law, were made no longer sinner - outside of the law they become dead men walking, like me.

So by conquering Death and the grave, Jesus Christ's resurrection ensured that in place of Death, which we all came to Him with, we are instead granted Eternal Life that is His - that is what Salvation is about.

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About what Jesus said in Mark 16 vs 17 - 18, He is working on me. I am confident of at least 2 though.

PrincessGlow:
She came back twice. He could have killed her. Truly evil groups will kill you as soon as they think you might be thinking of leaving.

I never paid attention to the mental nonsense. I knew right away that was propaganda because Bukola videos already warned me. I am talking about things Bukola herself said after she left plus her demeanor and the man who said from US that he sent her $200k. Things like that. Also Bukola twice begging to return - she definitely knew her life was not in any danger. Because people who manage to escape such usually run and never go back.

Hmm. That na their twist na.
She did not go back twice.
Even the US man story presented by the church on their TV just like the mental stuff, light has been thrown it by her.
Not talk of countless people who keep coming out with similar tales of horror as hers.

Ain't hard to tell.

Kobojunkie:
Recall that after Adam sinned in the Garden of Eden, God condemned Him to Death in that same day and by Death, God meant that Adam would cease to exist after he closed his eyes for the last time .I.e. return to dust from which he was made aka perish in the grave. This is the judgement God dealt Adam was His sin of unbelief - the condemnation of sin aka wages of sin - Death. - Genesis 3 vs 17 -19

Well, all of mankind inherited that judgement(not the sin itself) and so since then all were born Dead aka condemned to die for their sins.

Now, fast forward to the Israelites. God gave them Law by they could be saved from Death. Sin is defined within the Law and so those who transgress the Law are called sinners. Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, God says He has placed Life(etenal) and Death before them and then commands them to choose Life, this through submission and obedience of the commandments of the Old Covenant Law given to tjen through Moses.

Since God never extended that same courtesy to us, the gentile nations, we remained dead. We were not sinners since we had no Law over us. We were instead condemned to Death even from our birth - that remains the case to this day even.

Fast forward to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ came off4ring Salvation from what? He offered to all (jews and gentiles alike) Salvation from the condemnation of sin aka Death - John 3 vs 16 - 21. And that is where everyone comes into the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ.

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I was not a sinner before Jesus Christ. I was dead, condemned so by God.

And recall the lost sheep who believed in Jesus Christ and were imparted with Christ's Righteousness and death on the cross , releasing them from their obligation to the Old Covenant? Well, they too, dead to the law, were made no longer sinner - outside of the law they become dead men walking, like me.

So by conquering Death and the grave, Jesus Christ's resurrection ensured that in place of Death, which we all came to Him with, we are instead granted Eternal Life that is His - that is what Salvation is about.

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About what Jesus said in Mark 16 vs 17 - 18, He is working on me. I am confident of at least 2 though.

See, this is what happens when you take something easily understood instinctively and try to put legalistic boundaries on it - you have to write a long thesis to twist it! SIMPLE: Lord Jesus offered Himself as sacrifice for your sins. But if u insist on what He said, He said CLEARLY that he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Meaning, His coming had nothing to do with you. Yet we know He CAME (left heaven) specifically to die for sins of the world - as John the Baptist famously intoned when he saw Him!

mindtricks:
Hmm. That na their twist na.
She did not go back twice.
Even the US man story presented by the church on their TV just like the mental stuff, light has been thrown it by her.
Not talk of countless people who keep coming out with similar tales of horror as hers.

Ain't hard to tell.

Well here is Busola twice going back to SCOAN. Unless u say that is not Busola. And by the way why was she so dark? Did she bleach?
Yes TB was a scammer all right. All I am saying is that he couldn't have been that evil or he could have easily killed Busola.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u8uSIWntQQ

PrincessGlow:
See, this is what happens when you take something easily understood instinctively and try to put legalistic boundaries on it - you have to write a long thesis to twist it! SIMPLE: Lord Jesus offered Himself as sacrifice for your sins. But if u insist on what He said, He said CLEARLY that he came for the lost sheep of Israel. Meaning, His coming had nothing to do with you. Yet we know He CAME (left heaven) specifically to die for sins of the world - as John the Baptist famously intoned when he saw Him!

if you don't pay attention to all He said and how He said it, how can you truly learn His Truth and how can you truly Know Him from all the lies that fill the world about Him even today? There is only one Truth - everything else is a lie and it is imperative for the few who will make it to find and hold fast to that Truth.

1. Jesus Christ did not die for my sins since I didn't have any sins to begin with. And those whose sins He died for, it was so He could buy them from the Old Covenant to which they were born bound to - I was never born bound to that Covenant given that I am a gentile.

2. Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel, but that exclusive mission He concluded at His death on the cross. After His resurrection, He welcomed all, the former lost sheep of Israel and the gentiles, into His fold.

3. So when next you hear teaching that Salvation is to save you from your sins, know that that doctrine is a lie. We are all instead saved from God's very own judgement of Death - the condemnation of Sin - hence the real reason why the end result of Salvation is not Holiness(sinlessness) but Eternal life(grace) through Jesus Christ - John 3 vs 1 - 21..

* Now Salvation granted eternal life also requires the eating of the body of Jesus Christ and the drinking of His blood as stated by Him in John 6 vs 47 - 58.

4. Next step, everyone who gains eternal life of Jesus Christ move on to is becoming born-again, and this in order to gain to gain access into the Kingdom of God- John 3 vs 1 - 8

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What John the Baptist said is Truth. Jesus Christ did die for the sins of the world and since the only part of the world that was under Law and had sins - those who were sinners according to God's Law - was that covered by the lost sheep of Israel aka the sinners in the world, and it is there sins that He did indeed die for.

So when wonder when the New Covenant Law starts for those who are saved? It actually begins the moment one believes and are saved from Death. We are meant to begin even then to submit to and obey all the other teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, even as we obeyed His command to believe Him and eat communion to be saved.

Kobojunkie:
if you don't pay attention to all He said and how He said it, how can you truly learn His Truth and how can you truly Know Him from all the lies that fill the world about Him even today? There is only one Truth - everything else is a lie and it is imperative for the few who will make it to find and hold fast to that Truth.

1. Jesus Christ did not die for my sins since I didn't have any sins to begin with. And those whose sins He died for, it was so He could buy them from the Old Covenant to which they were born bound to - I was never born bound to that Covenant given that I am a gentile.

2. Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of Israel, but that exclusive mission He concluded at His death on the cross. After His resurrection, He welcomed all, the former lost sheep of Israel and the gentiles, into His fold.

3. So when next you hear teaching that Salvation is to save you from your sins, know that that doctrine is a lie. We are all instead saved from God's very own judgement of Death - the condemnation of Sin - hence the real reason why the end result of Salvation is not Holiness(sinlessness) but Eternal life(grace) through Jesus Christ - John 3 vs 1 - 21..

* Now Salvation granted eternal life also requires the eating of the body of Jesus Christ and the drinking of His blood as stated by Him in John 6 vs 47 - 58.

4. Next step, everyone who gains eternal life of Jesus Christ move on to is becoming born-again, and this in order to gain to gain access into the Kingdom of God- John 3 vs 1 - 8

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What John the Baptist said is Truth. Jesus Christ did die for the sins of the world and since the only part of the world that was under Law and had sins - those who were sinners according to God's Law - was that covered by the lost sheep of Israel aka the sinners in the world, and it is there sins that He did indeed die for.

So when wonder when the New Covenant Law starts for those who are saved? It actually begins the moment one believes and are saved from Death. We are meant to begin even then to submit to and obey all the other teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, even as we obeyed His command to believe Him and eat communion to be saved.

See, this is what happens when you try to understand things of the Spirit by human logic - you end up with long convoluted thesis. First of all the story of Eden you are basing everything on is clearly mythology. Man cannot exist without simultaneous existence of woman. And who was there writing what Adam said. As for Christ's exact words, I can assure you they are far from what you are reading. These were words that were passed down orally, then finally written down, then translated several times, then sanitized and manipulated, etc., before they finally got to you. Know this: you have sinned and come short of the glory. The blood of Jesus Christ is what reconciles you to God. His BLOOD!

PrincessGlow:
See, this is what happens when you try to understand things of the Spirit by human logic - you end up with long convoluted thesis. First of all the story of Eden you are basing everything on is clearly mythology. Man cannot exist without simultaneous existence of woman. And who was there writing what Adam said. As for Christ's exact words, I can assure you they are far from what you are reading. These were words that were passed down orally, then finally written down, then translated several times, then sanitized and manipulated, etc., before they finally got to you. Know this: you have sinned and come short of the glory. The blood of Jesus Christ is what reconciles you to God. His BLOOD!

1. If we are to take the statement in bold as fact, then Jesus Christ is pretty much useless to you then. This because Jesus Christ also quoted to you from that which is written in Genesis, to you.

Not certain what the mention of man and woman has to do with this though

2. Jesus Christ taught us 3 things only about His blood

A. It was shed(on the cross) for forgiveness of sins. -Matthew 26 vs 26 - 30
B. Those who eat His body and drink His blood gain eternal life - John 6 vs 47 - 58
C. Ritual B should be carried out in remembrance of Him - Matthew 26 vs 26 -30

3. If you cannot Trust God to maintain the integrity of His Truth through time and men, how can you truly trust anyone? God Almighty says Heaven and Earth will pass away but the Word out of His mouth is Everlasting... meaning no matter what time and men wrought, it will remain the same... His Truth never changes. So, either you trust Him or you trust the words of men instead.

Kobojunkie:
1. If we are to take the statement in bold as fact, then Jesus Christ is pretty much useless to you then. This because Jesus Christ also quoted to you from that which is written in Genesis, to you.

Not certain what the mention of man and woman has to do with this though

2. Jesus Christ taught us 3 things only about His blood

A. It was shed(on the cross) for forgiveness of sins. -Matthew 26 vs 26 - 30
B. Those who eat His body and drink His blood gain eternal life - John 6 vs 47 - 58
C. Ritual B should be carried out in remembrance of Him - Matthew 26 vs 26 -30

3. If you cannot Trust God to maintain the integrity of His Truth through time and men, how can you truly trust anyone? God Almighty says Heaven and Earth will pass away but the Word out of His mouth is Everlasting... meaning no matter what time and men wrought, it will remain the same... His Truth never changes. So, either you trust Him or you trust the words of men instead.

(What part of the planet are u in btw?)

1. Jesus Christ is Spirit, to be understood through spirit not through words. Remember Lord Jesus said He was not good that only God was good?? Yet we know He is God!
As for man and woman, God could not have created man and forgot to create woman, then take a rib from the man, etc. They both cane into being at the same moment.

2. Forgiveness of YOUR sins if you accept Him, not limited to "lost sheep of Israel"!

3. The Bible was clearly added to, subtracted from, changed, etc. JW Bible is different from yours, so are others. That is reality. It is not a question of trusting God

You arguing with yourself

PrincessGlow:
There you go lying again.The article never said they stopped observing the Sabbath. And you are still confusing observing the Sabbath with gathering for worship or remembrance of the resurrection.

No one ever abolished Sabbath day of rest. Even the Catholic Church did not. THEY SIMPLY OFFICIALLY CHANGED THE DAY TO SUNDAY to accommodate Rome! Day of rest for Christians now became Sunday instead of Saturday.

My brother these arguments did not start today. Even Paul and Peter had a big quarrel over whether new converts (grown men o) should be circumcised. That they went to extent of circumcising grown men ought tell you their mindset about following the law as much as possible.

And you really can't blame them. The Lord Jesus Himself said in Mathew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Everything Paul wrote he wrote to a particular church or person at a particular time, not just this.
Bottom line, back to what I said in the begining - you can't cherry pick the Bible. We have to be honest and admit we don't follow some parts of the Bible instead of lying or twisting things or going for far-fetched interpretations of what is right there in black and white!
Been nice chatting with y"all. Happy Sunday!

PrincessGlow:
(What part of the planet are u in btw?)

1. Jesus Christ is Spirit, to be understood through spirit not through words. Remember Lord Jesus said He was not good that only God was good?? Yet we know He is God!
As for man and woman, God could not have created man and forgot to create woman, then take a rib from the man, etc. They both cane into being at the same moment.

2. Forgiveness of YOUR sins if you accept Him, not limited to "lost sheep of Israel"!

3. The Bible was clearly added to, subtracted from, changed, etc. JW Bible is different from yours, so are others. That is reality. It is not a question of trusting God

1. Jesus Christ NEVER told you that the only way to understand Him is through Spirit. That
lie was fed you by the doctrines of men, not Jesus Christ. Instead, Jesus Christ said you should use the understanding you have and that only when you do will more understanding be given to you. If you do not use the understanding you have, even the little you have will be taken away from you - Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30

According to the story in Genesis, man was created before woman was and for good reason. God always has a reasons for everything He does. Never think you know better than He does.

2. According to Jesus Christ, His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins of those of the lost sheep of Israel who would accept Him ofcourse.
Once a part of the New Covenant, we obtain forgiveness of sins simply by asking the Father directly and He answers us all, regardless of our roots.

3. It is actually a question of Trust. I spent years trying to resolve what I believed where errors in scripture but I never got anywhere close to knowing or understanding the who of God, let alone experiencing Him in any way or form. It wasn't until I decided to take Him at His Word, dying to my ego and trusting Him even when the evidence said not to that I finally found Him right where He has been all this time. Where He has always been waiting on us to step out of ourselves and towards Him.

Jeremiah 17 vs 5 says cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man(self included) ...the reason we don't Trust God is we place man and the things of men on a pedestal of sorts above God and the things of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ NEVER told you that the only way to understand Him is through Spirit. That
lie was fed you by the doctrines of men, not Jesus Christ. Instead, Jesus Christ said you should use the understanding you have and that only when you do will more understanding be given to you. If you do not use the understanding you have, even the little you have will be taken away from you - Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30

According to the story in Genesis, man was created before woman was and for good reason. God always has a reasons for everything He does. Never think you know better than He does.

2. According to Jesus Christ, His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins of those of the lost sheep of Israel who would accept Him ofcourse.
Once a part of the New Covenant, we obtain forgiveness of sins simply by asking the Father directly and He answers us all, regardless of our roots.

3. It is actually a question of Trust. I spent years trying to resolve what I believed where errors in scripture but I never got anywhere close to knowing or understanding the who of God, let alone experiencing Him in any way or form. It wasn't until I decided to take Him at His Word, dying to my ego and trusting Him even when the evidence said not to that I finally found Him right where He has been all this time. Where He has always been waiting on us to step out of ourselves and towards Him.

Jeremiah 17 vs 5 says cursed is a man who puts his trust in another man(self included) ...the reason we don't Trust God is we place man and the things of men on a pedestal of sorts above God and the things of God.

1. How do you know what Christ truly said?. Eyewitnesses never wrote it down. And you know how people are in retelling tales.

Adam and Eve. How exactly did this story get to us? Who was there and writing down what everybody was saying including serpent!

2 You obtain forgiveness for your sins kwa? I thought you had no sins?!

3) The Bible was written and manipulated by men. Stop pretending otherwise.. And we know what happens when men get their hands on something.

PrincessGlow:
1. How do you know what Christ truly said?. Eyewitnesses never wrote it down. And you know how people are in retelling tales.

Adam and Eve. How exactly did this story get to us? Who was there and writing down what everybody was saying including serpent!

2 You obtain forgiveness for your sins kwa? I thought you had no sins?!

3) The Bible was written and manipulated by men. Stop pretending otherwise.. And we know what happens when men get their hands on something.

1. God said Trust His Words; Jesus Christ said, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that comes out of the Mouth of God" . Then Jesus Christ also said He is the Word of God, the very Words out of God's Mouth.

And more importantly, God demands that we obey His Law. So rather than continue the endless debate of whether or not man got God's Word right, in my case, I made the choice to Trust instead that God got His Word right, and that His Word is the Truth, the standard against which every thing else should be judged - what God has been saying all along.

2. Follow along please! I, formerly born dead to the Law(a lawless being), am now under the New Covenant- under Law, so I do have sins to ask the Lord for forgiveness for. This Law does not require that blood be shed for my forgiveness in it. So I simply ask God for forgiveness when I sin and He immediately wipes my sins away.

3. My trust is not in the Bible but in God. I don't trust any man , not even self, as my Trust is in God and God alone.

Kobojunkie:
1. God said Trust His Words; Jesus Christ said, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD that comes out of the Mouth of God" . Then Jesus Christ also said He is the Word of God, the very Words out of God's Mouth.

And more importantly, God demands that we obey His Law. So rather than continue the endless debate of whether or not man got God's Word right, in my case, I made the choice to Trust instead that God got His Word right, and that His Word is the Truth, the standard against which every thing else should be judged - what God has been saying all along.

2. Follow along please! I, formerly born dead to the Law(a lawless being), am now under the New Covenant- under Law, so I do have sins to ask the Lord for forgiveness for. This Law does not require that blood be shed for my forgiveness in it. So I simply ask God for forgiveness when I sin and He immediately wipes my sins away.

3. My trust is not in the Bible but in God. I don't trust any man , not even self, as my Trust is in God and God alone.

1. Now compare your 1 to your 3. Don't they contradict? That's the point my brother, God’s words are spiritually mainly in your heart. Which is why you should not keep insisting on every dot and comma of the Bible. I asked you before, how are you sure what is in the Bible is exactly what came out of His mouth.

2. God does not work like that. The spirit realm does not work like that. There's akways an exchange. Otherwise God would have been wiping Israel sins away as soon as they asked!

3. You are finally getting it