truespeak:
This is Great to see!

Let the Truth be known, where the Word of the Lord is, there shall you find the Law, and where you find the Law, you shall find the Law-er/Law-d/Lord!

Dtruthspeaker:


Yes oh!

Could you join me on this?

I am working along the line that many many Important and Different Laws were Also issued by God even before and after the 10 Commandments and it's Corresponding Statutes.

truespeak:


Not a problem. I might tarry a bit though for I have matters taking the front seat at the moment but at the earliest convenience!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes indeed, there is a Law which precedes, The 10 Commandments.

And this Law was in Force even in the beginning and flowing throughout The Whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

And we all have seen this Law and are quite aware of it, but we do not give it it's Full Attention and Due Acknowledgement of its Presence.

Deuteronomy 8:3/Mathew 4:4 The Law of Every Word that Proceeded Out of The Mouth of The Lord"

We see it in the beginning, "Let there be Light!";

"Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,...

"And The Lord God Commanded the man SAYING... (You know the rest)

Everytime God Speaks, Law Comes Out.

Thus, the First Law over all men is "And The Lord Said"

Therefore, before The 10 Commandments, we see Laws like

"...and SAID unto him, I am The Almighty God, WALK BEFORE ME AND BE THOU PERFECT"! Genesis 17:1

Verse 9: "And God Said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations."

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year:" (Law of the Passover.) Exodus 12 generally.

And The Law I saw, the Reason of this Thread Exodus 19:5

"Now therefore, IF YE WILL OBEY MY VOICE INDEED, AND KEEP MY COVENANT, ..."

The Voice of The Lord is Law and The Word of The Lord is Life (or death)!

Therefore, These Words "And God Said" or "The Lord Said" or "Thus saith Saith The Lord" are the Opening Words of Law.

Even The 10 Commandments began with "And God Spake all these words saying,..."

Therefore, the Voice and Word of The Lord is Law and The First Law of All laws.

Which is why Deuteronomy 30:10 lays it down in recognition of this Truth in its Order of Priority and Greatness

1) "if thou shalt hearken unto the Voice of The LORD thy God (FIRST LAW),

2) To keep His Commandments and his Statutes which are written in this book of The Law, (Secondly);

3) and if thou turn unto The Lord thy God, With All thine heart, and with all thy soul."

Proverbs 7
"My son, Keep my Words (First Law) and lay up my Commandments with thee.

Man surely Lives by "Every Word Which Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of The Lord"!

truespeak:
This is Great to see!

Let the Truth be known, where the Word of the Lord is, there shall you find the Law, and where you find the Law, you shall find the Law-er/Law-d/Lord!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes oh!

Could you join me on this?

I am working along the line that many many Important and Different Laws were Also issued by God even before and after the 10 Commandments and it's Corresponding Statutes.

BassReeves:


No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love.

BassReeves:


No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love...

Of course, there was law before the 10 commandments, better still, there were laws before the 10 commandments (e.g. law of gravity keeping celestial bodies in their orbit, law sowing and reaping, the laws of nature etc)

It is said that, man has made 32 million laws since the Commandments were handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai however, currently, still counting, there are at least 1.6 million man-made laws, but we know that Adam and Eve started out with only one by-law, not 613, not even 10, but reiterating, just one by-law that served a decisive and settling purpose.

There's the bible maxim that says: 'Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much' Even with just one law, Adam and Eve, stumbled and crumbled at the starting block, they didnt know the proper time or right time, they are to eat of the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

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No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love.
ThePlainTruth

BassReeves:

God's law first. Obey God's law first before considering the laws of man...

BassReeves:
Ecclesiastes 8:4a
'The king's word is law ...'

BassReeves:
[h] in verse 17 above, means Both spiritually and physically, physical death in the sense of becoming mortal; they were created immortal.

BassReeves:
The King/king's word is law. Whoever[b] keeps and observes[/b] a royal command will experience neither trouble nor misery, for a wise heart will know the proper time and right procedure so not to risk appropriating.

BassReeves:
God, as early as Genesis 1:3, has been given peremptory orders (i.e. commands) [/b]The backdrop of Genesis 1:3 is swiftly followed by a flurry, series and set of 'And God said, Let ...' authoritative commands.

BassReeves:

As the series of 'And God said ...' commands, as seen in Genesis 1:26-29 above, came to a dramatic climax, God now created the law of [b]free will and also the law of cause and effect. These two laws each, are in readiness for the by-law at Genesis 2:16, with a part stating: '... from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you do not eat from it, for in the day of your eating from it—dying you die.'

BassReeves:

but we know that Adam and Eve started out with only one by-law, not 613, not even 10, but reiterating, just one by-law that served a decisive and settling purpose.

Dtruthspeaker:
I observed that you said, even twice, "No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love.

Dtruthspeaker:
As a Lawyer I know too well aware that a Law can Only be Validly Amended or Improved upon by The Very Same Law Giver. And no other, has A Right to do so.

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, knowing I did not make these Laws, thus, I exercise no power whatsoever in attempting to amend or improve them and neither did I do so

Dtruthspeaker:
It is rather because I real eyes that people appear to only pay attention to The Commandments, which I have now further Learnt and Seen that it is '2' Laws Rolled in '1', to wit- The 10 Commandments and the Statutes or Judgements.

Dtruthspeaker:
To which my attention was drawn to the fact that "EVERY WORD OF GOD IS LAW, as Deuteronomy and Mathew have Informed us.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thus, I am simply drawing attention to the Fact and Examples that EVERYTIME GOD SPOKE, LAWS ARE GIVEN!

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not know what made you bring in man's law here, but I have stated it clearly on this platform, that man's laws are
1) illegitimate and illegal
2) A Fraud and an enslavement
3) have no power over man (we are above those laws).

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, I have no regard for Constitutions and other man made law and therefore, Law in my mouth always means God's Law.

Dtruthspeaker:
God is the King maker

Dtruthspeaker:
and it is His Power, He gave them to issue Laws, else, they are exactly as other men are.

Thus, a kings word is only law because God gave him, His Power to Law.

Hence, God is Indeed The True Law'er, Whose Word is always Law.

Dtruthspeaker:
I was coming to this Law. The Law of death!

Dtruthspeaker:
"Keeps and Observe" means Obedience, so no problem here but what do you mean "know the proper time and right procedure so not to risk appropriating"?

Dtruthspeaker:
I love the use of the word "Peremptory Orders" to be Obeyed Immediately and carried out Without Delay.

And they are still being carried out even today, therefore we, they are still in force.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Law of Freewill was not created at this time The Law of freewill was issued at the "Let us make man in our own image, AFTER OUR LIKENESS" stage.

Also The Law of Cause and Effect Originated at the "After his kind" stage.

Dtruthspeaker:
And before The Law of "Do not eat" in Genesis 2 was "The Law of Eat" in Genesis 1:29

Dtruthspeaker:
Adam and Eve had at least 5 Laws to keep
1) The Law of fruitfulness (Production and Creativity)
2). The Law of Multiplication (Increase)
3) The Law of Replenishing the earth (Restoration of the earth
4) The Law of Subduing and dominion (Power over the earth and fish)

Dtruthspeaker:
5) The Law Prohibiting the eating of the tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

BassReeves:
You my learned friend, need to understand you're with this lot conflating the Principles of Nature. Principles describe specific phenomena and fundamental truth, like in your list up there, that require clarity and explanation. Principle(s) test our love, while law(s) test our obedience

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]You did not know the difference between principles and laws and your recent knowledge of them is based on what Google sciencing.org said.

Every lawyer would tell you that principles and Laws are the same thing having the same force. Eg Principles of fair hearing is the same as The Law of Evidence.

Thus, you do not know about Law and it's operation, therefore you have no valid basis to query my post exactly as a plumber can not query a surgeons handwork.[/s]

BassReeves:

I reiterate that principles are fundamental truths, that describe specific phenomena.

BassReeves:
i reiterate that principles are fundamental truths, that describe specific phenomena. You hear say, don't take the law into your own hands, just as Adam and Eve did, but you don't hear it said, don't take the principle into your own hands.

BassReeves:

Principle of fair hearing, has to with natural justice and the fundamental truth of anyone needing to have a fair hearing in a courtroom while the The Law of Evidence, is about legal practice(s) and how evidence may be presented and contested in the courtroom, the techniques for obtaining evidence and the role of the lawyers, jury and judge etc in a courtroom.

BassReeves:

Have I typed that you don't miss a chance to gloat over being a lawyer sha

BassReeves:

and that Luke 11:52 says:
'Woe to you lawyers, because you have taken away the key to knowledge (scriptural truth). You yourselves did not enter, and you held back those who were entering [by your flawed interpretation of God’s word and your man-made tradition].”'

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]A fact is not established by "A Sea of quotes and Multiple citations".[/s]

Dtruthspeaker:
Is The Law Also not A "Fundamental Truth?"

Dtruthspeaker:
I see now that it is as a consequence of the type of Bible you are using

Dtruthspeaker:
No wahala as you have already proclaimed the words of Truth "Psalm 111:10
'To obey the LORD is the fundamental principle for wise living;"

Which is what I advocate for!

Dtruthspeaker:
I wish to ignore the other parts of your statements but for the malice and evil directed at me, because I always say "I am a Lawyer".

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you fall into ridicule because you are trying to be what you are not?

Dtruthspeaker:
That statement is a principle YOU WILL NOT FIND IT CONTAINED ANYWHERE!

Dtruthspeaker:
Which is why I told you every lawyer knows that Principles and Laws are the same thing having THE SAME FORCE!

Dtruthspeaker:
But you are just here to maliciously attack me

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]See how you fall again? Did you not remember you said above,

"Of course, there was law before the 10 commandments, better still, there were laws before the 10 commandments (e.g. law of gravity keeping celestial bodies in their orbit, law sowing and reaping, the laws of nature etc)"

Is Natural Justice not from The Laws of Nature you said above?[[/s]

Dtruthspeaker:
And Who is The Law of Nature? You already know that is God, Again!

Dtruthspeaker:
So, you speak of things you know nothing about exactly as a plumber attempting to fix an engine fault.

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]The Law States "As a man thinketh, so is he" therefore, being a gloat yourself, you see gloating in everything.

I am not like you! I say these things because the Proof of Truth must be and should be backed by Expert Opinion and Evidence at All times.

It is not a shoemaker who confirms the Truth of illness but a Doctor!

It is not a carpenter who confirm the Truth of an engine but a mechanic.

So also it is not a bricklayer who confirms The Truth of Law, but a Lawyer[/s]

Dtruthspeaker:
I have come to present these knowledges and did not hide it. I have begged and called out lawyers here to come and uphold or Challenge me as to these Truths of God, but they are silent.

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]Now because of your hatred for me, you Falsely Accuse me.

God will Answer You.[/s]

BassReeves:

Romans 12:19
'Dear friends, never avenge yourselves.
Leave that to God, for he has said that he will repay those who deserve it.
Don’t take the law into your own hands.'

Dtruthspeaker:
[s]Did I not say that it is the type of bible you use that is affecting

Every KJV Bible SAYS Romans 12:19
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath:
for it is written, Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith The Lord."

NO WHERE IS IT STATED In Romans 12:19 "Don't take the law into your own hands" AS YOU FALSELY REPRESENTED[/s]

brocab:
[color=9]No I don't follow the laws in other countries-we have our own rules.

brocab:

Do you live in Israel-No,, Africa?
You can do what you like-if you obey one law-then obey the tithing law,,Stone your children while you are at it.
[color]Do you sacrifice while you obey the Sabbath-No? [/
Do you obey all the Old Testament laws No? Do you believe the New Testament law's No? Do you believe in all the Word of God, No? Do you JW's obey any of the above, No? Do you obey "all the laws of God, No?
Do you believe Jesus is Lord-obviously No? Do you believe Jesus is Coming quickly, No ..[]

BassReeves:
Duh. Smh, I dont use any particular bible.

Now tell me:
1. Is KJV bible translation version infallible?
2. Is KJV bible translation version the most accurate in all matters?
3. Does KJV bible translation version have contradictions, mistakes and obsolete words?

BassReeves:

4. When you retaliate or take vengeance, are you or are you not, in most cases than none, taking the law into your own hands?

Dtruthspeaker:


As is your right.

But I know that you would have taken the laws of Canada, UK, US if only you could japa.



Your rant and over reaching does nothing save in the multitude of thy words, thou condemned thine own self.

If you figured that Jesus is The Lord, then you should have Seen that, t
It wad He, Who Gave The Laws to Moses in the mountain which is why He said [b]"keep my commandments"!

"Before Abraham was, I am" He hath Said. So you know that Jesus was/is The Lord! Therefore, you condemn thyself.

So, you see, with thy own mouth, you condemn thyself when you say "do not keep the commandments" against the word of David, the Prophets and even The Word of Jesus Himself.

Surely, you are ant-Christ for we sing

When we walk with The Lord.
In the light of His Word.
What a glory He sheds on our way.
While we do His Will.
He abides with us still.
And with All who will trust AND OBEY.

Trust and Obey
For there is No Other Way
To be happy in Jesus
But to trust and Obey!

brocab:

Well I am not interested following a law outside my country...

brocab:

, you are only obeying the Sabbath day-only because it comes under the Watchtowers rules and regulations....

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are lying. Even from here I can see that you want to japa. Well it's your right.



Look before you leap https://www.nairaland.com/7456444/devil-fully-church#118770245

Jeremiah 7:23

“But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.”

I love wellness and prosperity and fatness, so that is enough for me to obey. And, to the glory of God, God's Word is True and I got all the blessings The Lord promised. My life and living is just too sweet and my work prospers, exactly as it was Written Psalm 128/Psalm 127:2-4, Psalm 23. I got them all, so I know what I am saying.

All who do not walk in this Way shall not prosper and they shall not find eternal life.

brocab:
But one thing you lack-the Word of God is not in you. evidence below: you lie against the truth..
Now let's be real, you live poor-barely living-you are told tithing brings you blessings. you obey the commandments of men. praying every night just for enough food, so you and your family can survive for another week.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you are confessing that your life and living is miserable which unfortunately for is not going to get better. So deflecting your misery will not let you take my prosperity.

brocab:
Now let's be real, you live poor-barely living-you are told tithing brings you blessings. you obey the commandments of men. praying every night just for enough food, so you and your family can survive for another week.
That's the basic- you can believe in false promises, by your false organisation, who's foundations are lying in the pit's of the dead..
“” (Proverbs 15:3). The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good”
He sees what is behind and what is ahead, all the threats, all the dangers.
“God will bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether it is good or whether it is evil” (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).
I could believe it, if your claims had a little truth, you can lie to me as much as you like,, but you can't lie to God He see's everything,
{Psalms 101:7} He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; He who tells lies shall not continue in my presence.

Dtruthspeaker:


Why don't you go and beg let people give you something to eat. Your hunger is making you mad.

brocab:
We realize you are struggling-and we know you have been deceived by your organisation, don't allow proud drag you down-Jesus said: we have the poor with us always, He said: we must always remember the widow's the fatherless and the strangers..