Yes but I work as an electrical engineer with the government for years now and also friends with civil engineers and architect's

Why can't he read civil giving him an edge to compete for jobs in the government and other companies

Then learn autocad 3d and co by the side and even on the job developing his architectural expertise .

Bricklayers with experience do both civil and architectural jobs and even get the jobs also remember

He can leave university with a civil degree and architectural expertise .And civil engineering is broad (bridges ,Roads etc not limited to buildings only

Look for a job placement at the same time independently bidding for jobs based on his ability to draw building plans

Remember our terrain people with connections get the jobs not even the professionals

Summarily..1, he graduates a civil engineer looking for work 2, by the side he learns how to design building plans and architectural designs 3, he starts looking for building jobs as a civil engineer and uses archi expertise to draw his plan

NetValueFX:


In Nigeria it doesn't make much changes the one you are. I am a Civil Engineer and I have friends who are Architects. In the eyes of the average country man we are all called Engineers because all of us collect building contracts and majority of us the Engineers draw also. Architects don't draw for me, as a matter of fact only few of them will create something better can I would. Only few knows the difference. Bottom line, which ever you choose , broadening your knowledge is a must because in this country na who draw house dey build am.
Unless you are planning to work for a company then you might consider Civil Engineering because their are more openings for their vast area of discipline than Architecture.
However, if you want to be independent, Architecture will start paying you quite early and going fully professional with your ARCON is quite faster than joining COREN.

smartic:
I will say go for architecture. Civil engineering limits your creativity and innovation unlike architecture,
job opportunity in architecture has a wider range especially if you know how to prospect unlike civil engineers who have to be employed mostly at times before you get paid.

Civil engineers can’t work without an architect whilst architect can work alone.

These days most architects also learn civil engineering on the job while supervising building projects.

Try and create a profile on LinkedIn to network and share your stories and journey with like minded people who will be willing to help and guide you along the part you will choose.

Ehya civil cant work on road project, bridge project, drainage, dam, canal, engineering survey, oil rig construction, steel related construction waste management facility without architect....d way ignorant ppl talk with full confidence on nairaland sef.....lol

tensazangetsu20:

Thats the truth. They are both useless. You don't go to study a course with Nigeria in mind. If you are yet to enter the university go for IT related courses.

Please don't saturate this IT field for them. People that want to study Philosophy, Sociology, Psychology, Anthropology, Public Administration, Chemistry, Geography, e.t.c. please let them do, village people will be happy to put them in permanent poverty.

Civil Engineering is far better than Architecture. My uncle who has been practicing as an Architect for 32 years now told me that people building houses in Mowe, Ofada, e.t.c. are not ready to pay more than 50,000 Naira for a building plan. But a civil/building engineer will supervise the building from foundation to furnishing and we charge between 20 and 25% of cost of the project as professional feel.

smartic:
I will say go for architecture. Civil engineering limits your creativity and innovation unlike architecture,
job opportunity in architecture has a wider range especially if you know how to prospect unlike civil engineers who have to be employed mostly at times before you get paid.

Civil engineers can’t work without an architect whilst architect can work alone.

These days most architects also learn civil engineering on the job while supervising building projects.

Try and create a profile on LinkedIn to network and share your stories and journey with like minded people who will be willing to help and guide you along the part you will choose.

Most of the buildings and other construction works you see are actually designed by civil/building engineers because they do a lot on design too. Architect just specialize in designs.

demoBaba:



Bro, you don't know anything about civil engineering, you don't need any capital to establish, even you don't need office self for a start, just learn how to do structural design then you're good to go. That's what we do and we thank Baba God for today.

Lol,.see ehn I get more than 18 friends wey study civil engineering only about 5 or so were able to practice wella


Check My recent conversation with one of them.
Like have advise Oggolden001, it will be a bit hard without connection or big money.
Civil engineering no be beans.

But he should choose the best sha

Oggolden001:
A degree in architecture nd that in civil engineering which is more sustainable in the nigerian society? Please i need advice bcuz i'm finding it hard to choose btw this two. Heres me like, i b average maths student wey like to draw alot especially building related drawings/environmental drawings too. Heres my jamb subj comb, maths, physics, chem nd english. Please advice from experience persons in the field will be veryly appreciated. (if there is any word as such)

Time without number I see people make this mistake, why study Arch when you can study Civil, why study soil science when you can study agriculture, why study agric. Engr. When you can study Mechanical and why study petroleum Engr when you can study Chemical Engr.

My little submission, I hope it's help

hakeem4:
Since you are average in maths then Architecture would be your best bet. Engineering is actually more of maths than drawings. You only translate your designs to drawings which would be done by a draughtsman.


SO THE BALL IS IN COURT

Thank you sir. I thank i would purchase a change of course form for architecture

An Architect designs a structure...
A Civil Engineer gives bone to the structure...
These two are professional courses...
They often shortchange each others work...
My advice is this; while in school try to gain practical knowledge by visiting construction sites....
The building industry is a sustainable one...
Good luck...
Arc Omeje Ifeanyi Clement(M.sc Nig)

tensazangetsu20:

Thats the truth. They are both useless. You don't go to study a course with Nigeria in mind. If you are yet to enter the university go for IT related courses.

una go just they open una smelling mouth...so there are no architect abroad..goat if everybody study IT who will now study agriculture or economics..grow up

OkoAnike:



Time without number I see people make this mistake, why study Arch when you can study Civil, why study soil science when you can study agriculture, why study agric. Engr. When you can study Mechanical and why study petroleum Engr when you can study Chemical Engr.

My little submission, I hope it's help

The prob here is that, people keep telling that civil is maths nd am nt that good in maths. All i need now is a brief of how civil maths looks like so i can knw my ground

vashkayanna:
An Architect designs a structure...
A Civil Engineer gives bone to the structure...
These two are professional courses...
They often shortchange each others work...
My advice is this; while in school try to gain practical knowledge by visiting construction sites....
The building industry is a sustainable one...
Good luck...
Arc Omeje Ifeanyi Clement(M.sc Nig)

Thank GOD. Sir is it buildings that an architect designs?

Oggolden001:
A degree in architecture nd that in civil engineering which is more sustainable in the nigerian society? Please i need advice bcuz i'm finding it hard to choose btw this two. Heres me like, i b average maths student wey like to draw alot especially building related drawings/environmental drawings too. Heres my jamb subj comb, maths, physics, chem nd english. Please advice from experience persons in the field will be veryly appreciated. (if there is any word as such)

Listen, if you know you don't have a crazy imagination, don't go for architecture, just respect yourself and enter civil engineering. Because as an architect, you need to be imaginative enough to bring out drawings that can wow your clients.

ARCHITECTURE FOR LIFE BABY!!!

iamyemiakins:
Go for Architecture. I see you making it in that field.

This I have seen

Please sir are you prophet? I'll like to send you a mail

CzarChris:
Listen, if you know you don't have a crazy imagination, don't go for architecture, just respect yourself and enter civil engineering. Because as an architect, you need to be imaginative enough to bring out drawings that can wow your clients.

That imagination you're talking abt is some what part of me already. From all the comments i've read, i knw my ground already its just remaining which tent to pinch first. All am sayin is that i need a brief abt civil maths how HARD Is it? After this my survey i will show this to my dad so we could making a lasting decision

Oggolden001:
A degree in architecture nd that in civil engineering which is more sustainable in the nigerian society? Please i need advice bcuz i'm finding it hard to choose btw this two. Heres me like, i b average maths student wey like to draw alot especially building related drawings/environmental drawings too. Heres my jamb subj comb, maths, physics, chem nd english. Please advice from experience persons in the field will be veryly appreciated. (if there is any word as such)

I am an Architect. 15 years since graduation and registered with ARCON and an NIA full member. Since you made your option Architecture vs Civil Engineering, I'll give you an honest response: Please choose CIVIL Engineering.

The reason is that it is more versatile. If you want to work in employment, you will have more opportunities and higher chances in other sectors than an Architect would. For example, road construction, oil and gas, and structural engineering consulting. It's only in Architectural consulting firms and more recently, in property development firms that Architects are sought. They may go to other sectors, but they may not work as architects there.

The second reason you should consider civil engineering. As an architect in consulting, my projects come from clients directly. For every project going more than one floor, I MUST engage a civil engineer, or advise my client to engage one. So a civil engineer gets paid for every Architect's project that is not a bungalow. My go-to civil engineer receives projects from many other Architects -without needing to get jobs from clients personally. This translates, on average, to more projects for civil engineers in the building consulting sector than architects (they may not be paid as much for one project, but on average if you are good, you will have more volume of work because your source will be from several architects, and this translates to more money)

The third reason is immigration. I recommend choosing a course that is easier to immigrate with should you consider immigration later. Do a google search now for occupations in demand in Canada or Australia, you will most likely find civil engineering (or its related synonyms), and not Architecture.

Someone here mentioned how you can make money as a student studying Architecture. I see it as a disadvantage. As an architect in practice, the fact that clients can meet students for something that we trained years for in Nigeria is bad (Obviously, they don't get the same quality and professional service). But the point is don't study something in school that anyone can do because of the poor regulation in Nigeria.

During my time of choosing a course, I did not consider an alternative. It was Architecture or nothing. So my advice is because you are considering the two and you consider that any of them will be OK for you.

If you must choose Architecture, make sure you are absolutely passionate about it and extremely able to delay gratification and have great capability for long-suffering. It can be rewarding, no doubt. But for most people, it gets tough at first before it gets rewarding -especially if you subject yourself to the process of real professional training.

I said all I said because you made your options Architecture vs Civil Engineering. That said, PLEASE CONSIDER AVOIDING THE TWO COMPLETELY. Go for IT (your maths and physics will come in handy). The world has changed. There are easier ways to attain professional fulfilment. IT is versatile. if you are skilled, you will be sought after in every sector and qualify for most immigration programmes. Don't take my word for it, do a google search -compare entry-level salaries of IT professionals and Architecture graduates (ENTRY LEVEL). Search sites like indeed and glassdoor. Also, check occupations in demand for immigration programmes. Don't do any course that limits you to Nigeria, or with which you will have issues transitioning to work abroad even if you succeed in immigrating. IT qualifications are universal. Architecture and Civil engineering licences are local. For example, I am a registered Architect in Nigeria, but I will not be considered an architect in the UK unless I go through the process of acquiring their licence.

I hope you find my '2 kobo' opinion helpful

Fredique:


I am an Architect. 15 years since graduation and registered with ARCON and an NIA full member. Since you made your option Architecture vs Civil Engineering, I'll give you an honest response: Please choose CIVIL Engineering.

The reason is that it is more versatile. If you want to work in employment, you will have more opportunities and higher chances in other sectors than an Architect would. For example, road construction, oil and gas, and structural engineering consulting. It's only in Architectural consulting firms and more recently, in property development firms that Architects are sought. They may go to other sectors, but they may not work as architects there.

The second reason you should consider civil engineering. As an architect in consulting, my projects come from clients directly. For every project going more than one floor, I MUST engage a civil engineer, or advise my client to engage one. So a civil engineer gets paid for every Architect's project that is not a bungalow. My go-to civil engineer receives projects from many other Architects -without needing to get jobs from clients personally. This translates, on average, to more projects for civil engineers in the building consulting sector than architects (they may not be paid as much for one project, but on average if you are good, you will have more volume of work because your source will be from several architects, and this translates to more money)

The third reason is immigration. I recommend choosing a course that is easier to immigrate with should you consider immigration later. Do a google search now for occupations in demand in Canada or Australia, you will most likely find civil engineering (or its related synonyms), and not Architecture.

Someone here mentioned how you can make money as a student studying Architecture. I see it as a disadvantage. As an architect in practice, the fact that clients can meet students for something that we trained years for in Nigeria is bad (Obviously, they don't get the same quality and professional service). But the point is don't study something in school that anyone can do because of the poor regulation in Nigeria.

During my time of choosing a course, I did not consider an alternative. It was Architecture or nothing. So my advice is because you are considering the two and you consider that any of them will be OK for you.

If you must choose Architecture, make sure you are absolutely passionate about it and extremely able to delay gratification and have great capability for long-suffering. It can be rewarding, no doubt. But for most people, it gets tough at first before it gets rewarding -especially if you subject yourself to the process of real professional training.

I said all I said because you made your options Architecture vs Civil Engineering. That said, PLEASE CONSIDER AVOIDING THE TWO COMPLETELY. Go for IT (your maths and physics will come in handy). The world has changed. There are easier ways to attain professional fulfilment. IT is versatile. if you are skilled, you will be sought after in every sector and qualify for most immigration programmes. Don't take my word for it, do a google search -compare entry-level salaries of IT professionals and Architecture graduates (ENTRY LEVEL). Search sites like indeed and glassdoor. Also, check occupations in demand for immigration programmes. Don't do any course that limits you to Nigeria, or with which you will have issues transitioning to work abroad even if you succeed in immigrating. IT qualifications are universal. Architecture and Civil engineering licences are local. For example, I am a registered Architect in Nigeria, but I will not be considered an architect in the UK unless I go through the process of acquiring their licence.

I hope you find my '2 kobo' opinion helpful

Great advice. Op better take this advice. This mas finished everything. Engineering is very horrible especially for migration except its electrical or computer but teens wont allow you rest. They will learn with time.

Pls. The simplest Answer is that you Choose CIVIL ENGINEERING. You can as well learn, improve and make use of
your drawing skills as a Civil Engineer. Thank u!!

Oggolden001:
The prob here is that, people keep telling that civil is maths nd am nt that good in maths. All i need now is a brief of how civil maths looks like so i can knw my ground

Here's the list of Math courses you'll take:
Calculus
Differential equation
Linear algebra
Partial differential equation
Fourier transform
Just basically engineering mathematics sha.
So if you're not good at Mathematics, you'll have some problem during your program.

Architecture would have been better since you Said you are a average maths student, also, it easier to get architecture jobs (not in a company) I mean you could just design for anyone unlike Civil, also it has lesser cut off mark hence you stand a better chance, your drawing skills would be needed especially in first year and second before they introduce you to Autocad, but you can start to learn that on your own, but the problem is I don't think your jamb combination would work for arc, but if it does please go for it, the 1 year difference sef na something

Fredique:


I am an Architect. 15 years since graduation and registered with ARCON and an NIA full member. Since you made your option Architecture vs Civil Engineering, I'll give you an honest response: Please choose CIVIL Engineering.

The reason is that it is more versatile. If you want to work in employment, you will have more opportunities and higher chances in other sectors than an Architect would. For example, road construction, oil and gas, and structural engineering consulting. It's only in Architectural consulting firms and more recently, in property development firms that Architects are sought. They may go to other sectors, but they may not work as architects there.

The second reason you should consider civil engineering. As an architect in consulting, my projects come from clients directly. For every project going more than one floor, I MUST engage a civil engineer, or advise my client to engage one. So a civil engineer gets paid for every Architect's project that is not a bungalow. My go-to civil engineer receives projects from many other Architects -without needing to get jobs from clients personally. This translates, on average, to more projects for civil engineers in the building consulting sector than architects (they may not be paid as much for one project, but on average if you are good, you will have more volume of work because your source will be from several architects, and this translates to more money)

The third reason is immigration. I recommend choosing a course that is easier to immigrate with should you consider immigration later. Do a google search now for occupations in demand in Canada or Australia, you will most likely find civil engineering (or its related synonyms), and not Architecture.

Someone here mentioned how you can make money as a student studying Architecture. I see it as a disadvantage. As an architect in practice, the fact that clients can meet students for something that we trained years for in Nigeria is bad (Obviously, they don't get the same quality and professional service). But the point is don't study something in school that anyone can do because of the poor regulation in Nigeria.

During my time of choosing a course, I did not consider an alternative. It was Architecture or nothing. So my advice is because you are considering the two and you consider that any of them will be OK for you.

If you must choose Architecture, make sure you are absolutely passionate about it and extremely able to delay gratification and have great capability for long-suffering. It can be rewarding, no doubt. But for most people, it gets tough at first before it gets rewarding -especially if you subject yourself to the process of real professional training.

I said all I said because you made your options Architecture vs Civil Engineering. That said, PLEASE CONSIDER AVOIDING THE TWO COMPLETELY. Go for IT (your maths and physics will come in handy). The world has changed. There are easier ways to attain professional fulfilment. IT is versatile. if you are skilled, you will be sought after in every sector and qualify for most immigration programmes. Don't take my word for it, do a google search -compare entry-level salaries of IT professionals and Architecture graduates (ENTRY LEVEL). Search sites like indeed and glassdoor. Also, check occupations in demand for immigration programmes. Don't do any course that limits you to Nigeria, or with which you will have issues transitioning to work abroad even if you succeed in immigrating. IT qualifications are universal. Architecture and Civil engineering licences are local. For example, I am a registered Architect in Nigeria, but I will not be considered an architect in the UK unless I go through the process of acquiring their licence.

I hope you find my '2 kobo' opinion helpful

The wise one has spoken!! He who has ear let him hear

tensazangetsu20:


Great advice. Op better take this advice. This mas finished everything. Engineering is very horrible especially for migration except its electrical or computer but teens wont allow you rest. They will learn with time.

Bro You ain't following me on NL why na?

lordally:


Bro You ain't following me on NL why na?

I no even know o. Sorry o.

NetValueFX:


In Nigeria it doesn't make much changes the one you are. I am a Civil Engineer and I have friends who are Architects. In the eyes of the average country man we are all called Engineers because all of us collect building contracts and majority of us the Engineers draw also. Architects don't draw for me, as a matter of fact only few of them will create something better can I would. Only few knows the difference. Bottom line, which ever you choose , broadening your knowledge is a must because in this country na who draw house dey build am.
Unless you are planning to work for a company then you might consider Civil Engineering because their are more openings for their vast area of discipline than Architecture.
However, if you want to be independent, Architecture will start paying you quite early and going fully professional with your ARCON is quite faster than joining COREN.

Oga you can only out do quack and useless architects when it comes to drawings. You maybe able to draw so called houses albeit with a lot of mistakes but you will never be able to design large and complex buildings. Another thing, getting COREN reg is way simpler than getting ARCON reg; you only need your Bachelors degree plus some years experience but for ARCON you need a masters degree. Plus COREN is riddled with corruption. We hear how our colleagues narrate how easy it is to get registered with COREN.

Bro studying civil engineering will expose you to all including architechtural Designs and lot more i did civil engineering and my elective is structural engineering and you can do house detailing but Maths is very important

tensazangetsu20:
None. They are both useless.

whoever gave u that notion is a bastard

Cashio:
whoever gave u that notion is a bastard

no be fight na comrade.

tensazangetsu20:

I no even know o. Sorry o.

Am an Architect who graduated in 2005 .My advice is go for Civil Engineering.They are better opportunities to work both as a self employed and as a government employee.
Even many Civil Engineers I know still design building and some Architects engage in building construction like Engineers.
But very few if any Architect can draw structural drawings which every building above one storey requires before approval and building.The civil engineer also does what is called calculation of structure for such building which no one else does or is capable of doing.
On the other hand ,over 10 different professions design building competing against Architects. These include the drafts man,fine Artists, Quantity surveyor,Land Surveyor,building technologist,Civil Engineers,Manson,Estate Valuers etc,all these are quack designers with little or no training in Architectural drawings but Nigerians patronize them.
I made a mistake studying Architecture and I regret it.Dont make the same mistake.

Oggolden001:
please sir i really need a break down to all of this. Are you saying a civil eng can design any structure? Nd again i knw u're experienced pls, is civil engineering maths really hard? Like HARD. Becuz i'm an average maths student who can cope wit phys nd chem. Pls advice

Civil engineers are not designers. They don’t design anything. They build. An architect can design bridges even though he has to work with a structural engineer during the design process to make the design functional. No good architect will allow a structural engineer change his design. That’s why architects are taught at least the basic principles of structures in school. In developed countries, specialized architects design cars.

Civil engineers can design based on experience of building construction even though this is not their job. In Nigeria, as the contractor, there’s more money to be made in the construction phase than the design phase.

As you can read from different comments above, there’s an overlay of duties by these two professions. But standard practice is an architect is a designer while a civil engineer is a builder. So most likely a civil engineer can design a functional duplex and nothing more, an architect can do structural detailing for a duplex and nothing more. Both are pretty specialized fields.

I studied architecture because it was hard and I was academically sound plus I didn’t want to read. I got it all wrong. This is 2021, don’t be caught up in this trap. Find a less competitive and stressful course especially if you want to partake in extra curricular activity in school. Doesn’t have to be the conventional courses everyone is doing. Don’t waste 4/5 years in school only to finish school and start looking for where you can learn a skill to survive. Study a course that gives you that flexibility

Civil engineering is the mother engineering. If you get to study it in a technical or engineering focused university, your versatility will know no bounds. All the best.

The5DME:

Here's the list of Math courses you'll take:
Calculus
Differential equation
Linear algebra
Partial differential equation
Fourier transform
Just basically engineering mathematics sha.
So if you're not good at Mathematics, you'll have some problem during your program.

i can cope with these topics if i study hard.