₦airaland Forum

MightySparrow:
God`s Holy Spirit only related with the GB, that is why Stephen Lett said he knows knows those among 144,000 and even gives condition for those that will no be picked. Is that not delusion?
How many Ananias and Sapphiras have your GB fished out by Holy Spirit? People that are victimized complain about manhunting not any act of Holy Spirit.
What's is your take?

The holy spirit is that active force which will help us identify an unrepentant wrongdoer, so once a person is no more following the arrangement he/she will stumble (just as any other person) but instead of humbly accepting his or her error he will start arguing against the same spirit that brought us together.
So he or she will be shown the exit door!

ifiokjohn:
Happy Sunday Guys.
Please I will like some Bible scholars here to educate me on who is the Holy spirit?
Is the holy spirit God?...If Yes, can God be sent to someone?... Remember Jesus Promising to send the Holy spirit to his disciples. John 14:16.

I went through YouTube videos but I get confused on the person of the holy spirit.

The only thing I got is that the holy Spirit is the Power of God.

The Holy spirit is God Himself

God is one God in three dimension, just as you have spirit, soul and body

Check this link about the God head

https://www.nairaland.com/6366642/trinity-explanation-god-head

MaxInDHouse:
The holy spirit is that active force which will help us identify an unrepentant wrongdoer, so once a person is no more following the arrangement he/she will stumble (just as any other person) but instead of humbly accepting his or her error he will start arguing against the same spirit that brought us together.
So he or she will be shown the exit door!

continue to decieve yourself

MightySparrow:
continue to decieve yourself

Continue worshiping your mysterious god that you can't defend it's ideas!

MightySparrow:
The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue worshiping your mysterious god that you can't defend it's ideas!

continue to worship your own you are misdefending

MightySparrow:
Jesus tells us in the scriptures that the Holy Spirit will teach, so, direct your question to the Holy Spirit.

He will tell you the truth about himself as He is called the Spirit of truth.

Greek "holy spirit" is actually 'itself' , NOT himself.
"Spirit itself" Romans 8:16,26 KJV.
Greek pneuma ( "spirit" ) has no gender.
Every Bible translators knows that.

MightySparrow:
continue to worship your own you are misdefending

You and your God below!

MightySparrow:
The whole story of redemption somehow not logical.It generates much questions than answers it intends to proffer.
Why would a third party die for a sin not committed?
Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once? Theologians in the house over to you.

jantman:
The Holy spirit is God Himself

God is one God in three God dimension, just as you have spirit,soul and body

Check this link about the trinity

https://www.nairaland.com/6366642/trinity-explanation-god-head

Is your God a messenger?
The word Godhead has no place in the Greek scriptures.
Bros, Genesis 2:7 says your claim is NOT true.

MaxInDHouse:
You and your God below!

Is it paining you ni?

Janosky:
Greek "holy spirit" is actually 'itself' , NOT himself.
"Spirit itself" Romans 8:16,26 KJV.
Greek pneuma ( "spirit" ) has no gender.
Every Bible translators knows that.

God is a Spirit, John 4: 24, what gender is God?
Angels do not have gender Matt 22: 30
So?

xproducer:
YES, the Holy Spirit is GOD!

I "speak" very humbly and carefully - yet firmly - in making statements about The Holy, Infinitely Powerful GOD of all - Whose judgments are unsearchable and His ways past finding out (Job 9:10. Romans 11:33).

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"Teaching of the Triune God is unique to Christianity and affirms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one God in three Persons."

Note what GOD says in the beginning of the creation of this world... "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” - Genesis 1:26

Note that the Apostle Peter in a single context refers to the Holy Spirit as GOD:
"But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” - Acts 5:3–4

+++
There is one baptism in GOD Who is the only Savior! (Isaiah 43:11) -
"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

"Note that The Holy Spirit is listed with Father and Son as “the name” believers are to be baptized into" -
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen." - Matthew 28:19–20

+++

However, note that GOD declares that He is One LORD - “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!" - Deuteronomy 6:4 (Also Zechariah 14:9, Mark 12:29)

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

Praise GOD for all that He mercifully reveals and gives to mankind, and much more.

Beautiful

Also add where the holy spirit spoke

And now I am going to Jerusalem, drawn there irresistibly by the Holy Spirit, not knowing what awaits me, except that the Holy Spirit has told me in city after city that jail and suffering lie ahead (Acts 20:22, 23

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2

NO Sir it only reminds me of someone who is seriously deluded in the words of his own God, but always saying others who can prove and provide life evidence of their God are the ones living in delusion!

MightySparrow:
Is it paining you ni?

Kobojunkie:
Here's the thing! Only those who are taught by God will enter into Heaven. So forget all what you see people doing pretending they do it for God. All these pastors and preachers and priests have nothing to offer anyone

Jesus Christ said those who belong to Him - who will enter into His Heaven- are those taught by His Father. He owns the Kingdom so if you want to enter it, you need to start paying attention to Him and what He says, not what anyone else tells you.

But you are instructing him or teaching him already. What you criticized now is what you just did. You just taught him now, don't you know?

Why not let that holy spirit be the one to tell him all these, since He doesn't need man to teach others. Or does your holyonlyspirit needs you as a man again to explain to others but doesn't need others to teach anybody.

Bro, be careful o

Bishopkingsley:
Beautiful

Also add where the holy spirit spoke

And now I am going to Jerusalem, drawn there irresistibly by the Holy Spirit, not knowing what awaits me, except that the Holy Spirit has told me in city after city that jail and suffering lie ahead (Acts 20:22, 23

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2

++++++++

Amen, and praise GOD! Spot on!

hupernikao:
But you are instructing him or teaching him already. What you criticized now is what you just did. You just taught him now, don't you know?

Why not let that holy spirit be the one to tell him all these, since He doesn't need man to teach others. Or does your holyonlyspirit needs you as a man again to explain to others but doesn't need others to teach anybody.
Bro, be careful o

Did Jesus Christ not send up to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as He has taught us to those who will hear?

Is anything of what I have preached here not according to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as revealed to us in the 4 Gospels?

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ not send up to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God as He has taught us to those who will hear?

Yes, He sent. Same way he sent those you told the guy not to listen to.

You want to be listened to but dont what others to listen to anyone in the name of "HolySpirit will teach you". Isnt that funny. You even quoted that Jesus sant you to teach. Yet claim, holy spirit is the one to teach. Your thoughts arent consistent.


What you did to that guy was giving him instruction, teaching him the scriptures. But you said he shouldn't listen to anyone the Holy Spirit. I have told you before, that man will always be the vessel God uses for man, the one holy spirit will use for you to fulfil God's Will is man.

So, you cant claim to be teaching others the scriptures and claim again that its only the Holy Spirit that teach and others should not be listen to.

This is your most consistent contradiction on Nairaland.

.

hupernikao:
Yes, He sent. Same way he sent those you told the guy not to listen to.
You want to be listened to but dont what others to listen to anyone in the name of "HolySpirit will teach you". Isnt that funny. You even quoted that Jesus sant you to teach. Yet claim, holy spirit is the one to teach. Your thoughts arent consistent.
What you did to that guy was giving him instruction, teaching him the scriptures. But you said he shouldn't listen to anyone the Holy Spirit. I have told you before, that man will always be the vessel God uses for man, the one holy spirit will use for you to fulfil God's Will is man. So, you cant claim to be teaching others the scriptures and claim again that its only the Holy Spirit that teach and others should not be listen to.
This is your most consistent contradiction on Nairaland.

The highlighted is a problem for all other religionists on Nairaland but not for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

We know that God's Holy Spirit will teach few people who will now teach others that's why we have a well organized and orderly group.
But in the case where everyone wants to be taught directly by the spirit then disorder will set in! Luke 11:23

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is a problem for all other religionists on Nairaland but not for JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

We know that God's Holy Spirit will teach few people who will now teach others that's why we have a well organized and orderly group.
But in the case where everyone wants to be taught directly by the spirit then disorder will set in! Luke 11:23

\

Bro. You and your JW badge in all posts.
Its good for you though. Wear it with all confidence but also with openness

1Corinthians 1:10, 14:33, 40

hupernikao:
\
Bro. You and your JW badge in all posts.
Its good for you though. Wear it with all confidence but also with openness

hupernikao:
Yes, He sent. Same way he sent those you told the guy not to listen to.

You want to be listened to but dont what others to listen to anyone in the name of "HolySpirit will teach you". Isnt that funny. You even quoted that Jesus sant you to teach. Yet claim, holy spirit is the one to teach. Your thoughts arent consistent.

What you did to that guy was giving him instruction, teaching him the scriptures. But you said he shouldn't listen to anyone the Holy Spirit. I have told you before, that man will always be the vessel God uses for man, the one holy spirit will use for you to fulfil God's Will is man.

So, you cant claim to be teaching others the scriptures and claim again that its only the Holy Spirit that teach and others should not be listen to.

This is your most consistent contradiction on Nairaland.

The OP asked a question that only God Himself is able to properly teach since Jesus Christ did not, in His Gospel, teach a lesson to explain the very nature of the relationship between the Spirit of God and the Father, and I told Him that God is the best Teacher in that case.

Is it that you refuse acceptance of Jesus's own declaration that only those taught by the Father belong to Him?

Or do you believe yourself wiser than Jesus Christ that you would think propagating the doctrines and traditions of men, a sin against God, would sufficiently cover for that which Jesus Christ did not teach ?

Janosky:
Greek "holy spirit" is actually 'itself' , NOT himself.
"Spirit itself" Romans 8:16,26 KJV.
Greek pneuma ( "spirit" ) has no gender.
Every Bible translators knows that.

This isn't true with Greek lexicon.

In Greek as in most ancient languages, the Grammatical Gender Is Not the Same as Personal Gender.

You have mixed the above up.

Just like ruach (spirit) in Hebrew is feminine and masculine in Aramiac (these are languages used in writing the Bible). We can't use this grammatical gender to identify the gender personality. Those languages arent constructed like that.

You will need to study Greek word structure and construction better.

Kobojunkie:
The OP asked a question that only God Himself is able to properly teach since Jesus Christ did not, in His Gospel, teach a lesson to explain the very nature of the relationship between the Spirit of God and the Father, and I told Him that God is the best Teacher in that case.

Is it that you refuse acceptance of Jesus's own declaration that only those taught by the Father belong to Him?

Or do you believe yourself wiser than Jesus Christ that you would think propagating the doctrines and traditions of men, a sin against God, would sufficiently cover for that which Jesus Christ did not teach ?

I have told you to always face the issue.

Issue here is you are teaching a man, yet told him no man can teach him except the holy ghost. Have you become the holy ghost? Why teach him since it's only the spirit we should listen to not man.

You consistently give a doctrine and teaching here, yet negate yourself daily claiming only the spirit that can teach.

It's either you have taken the place of that spirit you speak of or you can't really see how wrong you are in claiming someone shouldn't listen to others but you (holy ghost)

MightySparrow:
God is a Spirit, John 4: 24, what gender is God?
Angels do not have gender Matt 22: 30
So?

hupernikao:
This isn't true with Greek lexicon.

In Greek as in most ancient languages, the Grammatical Gender Is Not the Same as Personal Gender.

You have mixed the above up.

Just like ruach (spirit) in Hebrew is feminine and masculine in Aramiac (these are languages used in writing the Bible). We can't use this grammatical gender to identify the gender personality. Those languages arent constructed like that.

You will need to study Greek word structure and construction better.

Where in your Bible is God Almighty referenced as "it /itself"?

hupernikao:
I have told you to always face the issue.

Issue here is you are teaching a man, yet told him no man can teach him except the holy ghost. Have you become the holy ghost? Why teach him since it's only the spirit we should listen to not man.

You consistently give a doctrine and teaching here, yet negate yourself daily claiming only the spirit that can teach.

It's either you have taken the place of that spirit you speak of or you can't really see how wrong you are in claiming someone shouldn't listen to others but you (holy ghost)

Again...

Kobojunkie:
The OP asked a question that only God Himself is able to properly teach since Jesus Christ did not, in His Gospel, teach a lesson to explain the very nature of the relationship between the Spirit of God and the Father, and I told Him that God is the best Teacher in that case.

Is it that you refuse acceptance of Jesus's own declaration that only those taught by the Father belong to Him?

Or do you believe yourself wiser than Jesus Christ that you would think propagating the doctrines and traditions of men, a sin against God, would sufficiently cover for that which Jesus Christ did not teach ?

Janosky:
Where in your Bible is God Almighty referenced as "it /itself"?

Is there any sense in your analogy?
God is a Spirit, angels are spirits: are there male or female spirits,? I don't think you need Greek, Hebrew, Hausa or Aramaic to explain that.
Let me help you, what is the nature of spirits?

ifiokjohn:
■Happy Sunday Guys. Please I will like some Bible scholars here to educate me on who is the Holy spirit? Is the holy spirit God?...
■If Yes, can God be sent to someone?... Remember Jesus Promising to send the Holy spirit to his disciples. John 14:16. I went through YouTube videos but I get confused on the person of the holy spirit. The only thing I got is that the holy Spirit is the Power of God.

1. Yes, He is. And you understand how, you have to understand who Jesus Christ explained to you that He, the Holy Spirit whom the Father would send — the seal of the New Covenant— is.

---

In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following about God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way
.....
Now, Jesus Christ also told us the following about the Helper the Father would send to all those who belong to Him, in John 14 vs 15 - 16 & John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15 that Helper is...
▪︎ The Spirit of God's Truth (Word), the same Truth that lives inside of Jesus Christ

---

2. So, to recap Jesus Christ's teachings on the identity of the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth.
a. The Father will send the Spirit of Truth aka the Helper in the Name of Jesus Christ to those who live their lives in submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.
b. Those who live in the world cannot receive or have the Spirit of Truth because do not have the ability to see or perceive Him in their lack of knowledge(KNOWING) of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ.
c. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will teach the followers of Jesus Christ all things and bring to their remembrance all that Jesus Christ has taught.
d. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will bear witness about Jesus Christ to each of Jesus's own followers.
e. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will convict those who are in the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment.
f. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will guide each one of Jesus Christ's followers into all Truth for He will only speak of that which He hears of Jesus Christ and declare that which is to come concerning Jesus Christ(and His Kingdom)
g. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will glorify Jesus Christ, for He will take what belongs to Jesus Christ to declare to each of His followers
h. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus Christ and as such the Helper will teach to Jesus Christ's followers only that which is of Jesus Christ.

In conclusion, yes, Holy Spirit is God. However, given that the Holy Spirit doesn't possess all of the essences of Jesus Christ or of God, the Father, all inside of His person, He, the Holy Spirit, is not God, the Father.

Kobojunkie:
1. Yes, He is. And you understand how, you have to understand who Jesus Christ explained to you that He, the Holy Spirit whom the Father would send — the seal of the New Covenant— is.

---

In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following about God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way
.....
Now, Jesus Christ also told us the following about the Helper the Father would send to all those who belong to Him, in John 14 vs 15 - 16 & John 14 vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 26 - 27 & John 16 vs 4 - 15 that Helper is...
▪︎ The Spirit of God's Truth (Word), the same Truth that lives inside of Jesus Christ

---

2. So, to recap Jesus Christ's teachings on the identity of the Holy Spirit aka the Spirit of Truth.
a. The Father will send the Spirit of Truth aka the Helper in the Name of Jesus Christ to those who live their lives in submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.
b. Those who live in the world cannot receive or have the Spirit of Truth because do not have the ability to see or perceive Him in their lack of knowledge(KNOWING) of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ.
c. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will teach the followers of Jesus Christ all things and bring to their remembrance all that Jesus Christ has taught.
d. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will bear witness about Jesus Christ to each of Jesus's own followers.
e. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will convict those who are in the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment.
f. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will guide each one of Jesus Christ's followers into all Truth for He will only speak of that which He hears of Jesus Christ and declare that which is to come concerning Jesus Christ(and His Kingdom)
g. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will glorify Jesus Christ, for He will take what belongs to Jesus Christ to declare to each of His followers
h. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus Christ and as such the Helper will teach to Jesus Christ's followers only that which is of Jesus Christ.

In conclusion, yes, Holy Spirit is God. However, given that the Holy Spirit doesn't possess all of the essences of Jesus Christ or of God, the Father, all inside of His person, He, the Holy Spirit, is not God, the Father.

Why are you cherry picking which doctrine of men you want to follow but abuse other people’s doctrine?
Hypocrite trinitarian, Tertulian must be proud.

peggywebbs:
■That's because you don't understand the concept of trinity. Most people don't understand the term trinity. It's like saying a trio book...like the twilight movie. They are three different parts but one story. Trinity represents three different entities that resonate as one. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit. They are seperate beings but from one God. They reflect the Supreme nature of God, one cannot be without the other. Jesus Christ is the word of God, he speaks only what the Father says and does what his Father does.The Holy Spirit, is given to us, as a guidance. He represents the spirit of God dwelling in us. Jesus was the Word made flesh. The Father, The Word and The Spirit. I hope this explains it better. So don't confuse it as saying that Jesus Christ is God the Father and also the Holy Spirit, it represents completeness. They are seperate but work as one.

1. Trinity doctrine is a lie that does not hold at all when put up against that spoken by Jesus Christ.