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Hebrews 9:27. And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment,

Kobojunkie:
Not according to Jesus Christ, and since the Kingdom(Heaven and Hell) are ruled over by Him, do you think someone else gets to decide the rules for His domain? Read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46

Whenever Jesus spoke a parable, it was always stated as such in scriptures, and would frequently begin as "and he spake a parable unto them, saying...the kingdom of God is like unto..." And Jesus never used named characters especially one revered as Abraham for parables

Kobojunkie:
It was a parable.. read Luke 16 vs 19-31 again if you have to.

LilMissFavvy:
Romans 9:15 "for he saith to Moses I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion". I do not know this pastor, but I know that God can show mercy to anyone at anytime, even in hell. Jesus showed mercy to a criminal who was hanged on the cross beside him. I never said I believe this man, but I feel it's not totally correct to refute his claims.

So what you are saying here is that Jesus Christ lied when He said that God will never send anyone back from the dead to warn the living in Luke 16 vs 19-31 then?

Basically when Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life, He, Jesus Christ, did not mean it.. He lied?

And that whole talk about the Word of God never passing away even though Heaven and Hell will, is all nonsense?

chymeze:
Whenever Jesus spoke a parable, it was always stated as such in scriptures, and would frequently begin as "and he spake a parable unto them, saying...the kingdom of God is like unto..." And Jesus never used named characters especially one revered as Abraham for parables

So, ok,let's assume for a minute that the story of Lazarus and the Richman is true. Then should we ignore what Jesus Christ taught in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ?

I showed you a scripture, whichever deliberations you have is left for you o, God can show up at any time to show mercy, even in hell fire, that's my point. Jesus did it for the criminal.

Kobojunkie:
So what you are saying here is that Jesus Christ lied when He said that God will never send anyone back from the dead to warn the living in Luke 16 vs 19-31 then?

Basically when Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life, He, Jesus Christ, did not mean it.. He lied?

And that whole talk about the Word of God never passing away even though Heaven and Hell will, is all nonsense?

LilMissFavvy:
I showed you a scripture, whichever deliberations you have is left for you o, God can show up at any time to show mercy, even in hell fire, that's my point. Jesus did it for the criminal.

See, your understanding of what is presented in that verse you quoted is not the same as mine. And since Jesus Christ is the standard we are to live and weigh all against.. .. I want you to help me understand what you mean using Jesus Christ's teaching in this...
So I ask if what you are saying here is that Jesus Christ lied when He said that God will never send anyone back from the dead to warn the living in Luke 16 vs 19-31 then?

Basically when Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life, He, Jesus Christ, did not mean it.. He lied?

And that whole talk about the Word of God never passing away even though Heaven and Hell will, is all nonsense?

I am content with my understanding of the scriptures, and I don't criticize your's. Believe whatever you wish, as long as you believe in God, keep his commandments, etc. We all know that differing denominations have shaped the way believers understand the scriptures. I still put it to you that God can decide to show mercy by giving a hell bound candidate a second chance.

Kobojunkie:
See, your understanding of what is presented in that verse you quoted is not the same as mine. And since Jesus Christ is the standard we are to live and weigh all against.. .. I want you to help me understand what you mean using Jesus Christ's teaching in this...
So I ask if what you are saying here is that Jesus Christ lied when He said that God will never send anyone back from the dead to warn the living in Luke 16 vs 19-31 then?

Basically when Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life, He, Jesus Christ, did not mean it.. He lied?

And that whole talk about the Word of God never passing away even though Heaven and Hell will, is all nonsense?

LilMissFavvy:
I am content with my understanding of the scriptures, and I don't criticize your's. Believe whatever you wish, as long as you believe in God, keep his commandments, etc. We all know that differing denominations have shaped the way believers understand the scriptures. I still put it to you that God can decide to show mercy by giving a hell bound candidate a second chance.

i am simply trying to know what this understanding you clam to have of scripture is.

So is it that your understanding is that Jesus Christ is not the Truth of God that He claims?

Aparche:
I want to answer this question.
Warning: This is going to be a very long read. But it will help us understand certain things...

Man is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body.

Your spirit is not like smoke or vapour, rather it's the inner man and it looks exactly like your physical being...it is immortal (this means that it can never cease to exist.)

What you call touch neurons are part of your soul; which is the centre of your feelings & emotions.
Your soul is also immortal, just like your spirit.

Your body on the other hand is mortal; it will die, decay and cease to exist. But while it is still alive, it is the container of your spirit/soul.

Let me explain to you how it works:

When you're alive, your soul gravitates more towards your physical body to allow you experience the earthly realm (this world).

As a result you can feel pain, pleasure, sadness, joy, understand things, remember people, taste food, enjoy sex etc...the soul makes all these possible.

However, after you die (remember it's only your body that dies...), your soul will then gravitate towards your spirit.

Don't forget that your spirit looks exactly like your physical body...same form, shape, colour.

So, just as was the case with your physical body, your soul will enable your spirit to experience the spiritual realm (heaven or hell).

As a result, even though your life has ended in the earthly realm, you will find yourself alive in another realm (either in heaven or in hell).

Depending on which part of these spiritual realms you find yourself, you will still feel pain, pleasure, joy, sadness, hunger, thirst, remember things, regret, gladness etc... your soul makes all these possible.

The difference between the earthly and spiritual realms is that on earth your soul allows you to experience both the good and the bad things.... you can be happy one moment & sad the next, in pain today & enjoying yourself the next day. And it's temporary.

But in the spiritual realm you can only experience the good OR the bad. If you're in heaven you will experience only the good.
If you're in hell, you will experience only the bad. And it is for eternity.

Think about how you feel when you're experiencing good and pleasurable things; you don't want it to end. But when you're experiencing bad or horrible things you want it to stop or go away.

Then think about eternity in either heaven or hell. Which one would you prefer?

If you want to enjoy pleasure and all the good stuff forever, there's only one way to ensure that... Jesus Christ is the way.

All of us, based on our nature are supposed to end up in hell when we die... irrespective of how good you think you are.

If you don't want that for yourself, you have to ask Jesus Christ to save you. And you must do it now that you're still alive. When you die physically, it becomes too late.

This is why Jesus Christ came, died and rose again....so that you don't have to go to hell.

But then, it's your decision to make.

Call upon Jesus Christ now and be saved!

You said our spirit look exactly like us? So you you mean bent old man will still bent in the spirit realm?

You talked about the spirit experiencing sleep, hunger so on and so forth, but you forget the Bible in the book of revelation said there will be no hunger or test neither will there be night or day which simply means you won't have to sleep

shepherd316:
E be like say they don capture this guy, abeg who get prayercity address make him give this my English student before gbege happen. Bros whatever a man faces after death, he faces alone- your pastor will stand for himself - use your head bros

So you mean the spirit is somewhere before a man is born and when he dies the spirit leave to another world?. In order word God is not done with creation, he has a factory where spirit are manufactured for new babies

The scriptures I quoted is found in Bible, just as yours is found that's the fact. I understand my Bible perfectly, and know God can show mercy to whom he wishes even in hell. Keep your understanding of the scriptures to yourself, I am content with mine.

Kobojunkie:
i am simply trying to know what this understanding you clam to have of scripture is.

So is it that your understanding is that Jesus Christ is not the Truth of God that He claims?

Sorry I don't get your point on how the two are related. Maybe you could tell me what your point is exactly.

Kobojunkie:
So, ok,let's assume for a minute that the story of Lazarus and the Richman is true. Then should we ignore what Jesus Christ taught in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 ?

LilMissFavvy:
The scriptures I quoted is found in Bible, just as yours is found that's the fact. I understand my Bible perfectly, and know God can show mercy to whom he wishes even in hell. Keep your understanding of the scriptures to yourself, I am content with mine.

Scripture does not tell you everything found in the bible is the Truth of God though. The words of Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Satan, Delilah, King Saul, demons, the Serpent, etc. All of them found written of in scripture, are not God's Truth, right?

Instead what scripture says is True is God's Word, the Word that comes out of the mouth of God Himself..
The "thus sayeth the Lord", "And the Spirit of God said...", " And the Lord said....", "Jesus said...." ...that is what scripture says is Truth of God. So when Jesus Christ declares that A is the case, are you saying A can be overridden by your understanding of words said by a man?

chymeze:
Sorry I don't get your point on how the two are related. Maybe you could tell me what your point is exactly.

In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ tells us exactly what is to take place when He returns to judge His flock - No one can gain access to Heaven or Hell until after that event.

If we,of the New Covenant, are to take literally that which Jesus Christ taught in Luke 16 vs 19-31 in His story of Lazarus and the Richman, what we are to believe instead is that those who die are immediately ushered into either of Heaven or Hell and that this goes on as life continues here on earth. Essentially, doing this would imply that Jesus Christ lied to us in Mattthew 25 vs 31 - 46 , this among many other teachings and parables He gave to us of the Kingdom of God.

This is pure fiction.

So the scripture I showed you is not in your Bible, is that your point? I used the scripture from Bible to tell you that we can't draw conclusions that the man is lying. If that scripture isn't in your Bible, then maybe you belong to a Christian doctrine that printed their own Bibles, because we have such doctrines.

Kobojunkie:
Scripture does not tell you everything found in the bible is the Truth of God though. The words of Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Satan, Delilah, King Saul, demons, the Serpent, etc. All of them found written of in scripture, are not God's Truth, right?

Instead what scripture says is True is God's Word, the Word that comes out of the mouth of God Himself..
The "thus sayeth the Lord", "And the Spirit of God said...", " And the Lord said....", "Jesus said...." ...that is what scripture says is Truth of God. So when Jesus Christ declares that A is the case, are you saying A can be overridden by your understanding of words said by a man?

LilMissFavvy:
So the scripture I showed you is not in your Bible, is that your point? I used the scripture from Bible to tell you that we can't draw conclusions that the man is lying. If that scripture isn't in your Bible, then maybe you belong to a Christian doctrine that printed their own Bibles, because we have such doctrines.

Did I say somewhere that it is not in scripture?

Again, scripture does not tell you everything found in the bible is the Truth of God though. The words of Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, Satan, Delilah, King Saul, demons, the Serpent, etc. All of them found written of in scripture, are not God's Truth, right?

Instead what scripture says is True is God's Word, the Word that comes out of the mouth of God Himself..
The "thus sayeth the Lord", "And the Spirit of God said...", " And the Lord said....", "Jesus said...." ...that is what scripture says is Truth of God.

So when Jesus Christ declares that A is the case, are you saying A can be overridden by your understanding of words said by the words attributed to a man in scripture?

Kobojunkie:
I think you are confusing issues here.

My response to you was that Death is as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 17-19 and Hell describes a domain in the Kingdom of God where the unrighteous are to be sent for eternal damnation - Matthew 25 vs 40-46.

This is false teaching. God has never have it in mind to subject people to eternal torment.

I quote from Jehovah own word at Jeremiah 7:​31

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinmom in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.

That passage shows what Jehovah can never do. He can never and will never burn people in fire

LilMissFavvy:
You see, the book of Hebrews you dropped says God spoke in the past to people through the prophets, the passage never mentioned God speaking directly to people through dreams and visions. Meaning that the Hebrew portion you shared mentions Jesus as one of the means through which God also uses to communicate with his children. No scripture in the new testament condemns God speaking tro visions, dreams, etc. Yes, the scriptures is all we need, but being immersed in scriptures is what usually give birth to a believer seeing visions, dreams, etc. It is a gift, Joseph used the gift of dream to deliver the kingdom from famine. In Mathew 10:7-8, Jesus encouraged the deciples that in as much as they go about preaching the "scriptures" they should also make the people benefit from the fruits of the scriptures. Yes Jesus knew scriptures were enough, yet still told the deciples to heal, deliver, etc, why didn't Jesus tell them to just give people the scriptures and go, since scriptures are enough? The ability to dream and have vision is a gift, still in existence, it didn't die with the old testament. We should not condemn these things.
As for your last question, the pastor said body cannot go to hell, but his soul is what was feeling the pains he described.

It actually said he spoke today through ONLY JESUS.

Besides I can see you haven't read the book , This is an excerpt from the book, 23 minutes in Hell.

" Along side the fire I could see through the flames, just enough to see bodies, people in the fire screamingg, screaming for mercy, burning in this place! And I knew I didn't want to go in there. The pain
I'd endured already was bad enough, but the heat from that flame I knew was worse. These people were begging to get out. "

Do you agree with him that human bodies go to hell ? And where is that written in the Bible ?

sagieramos:
This is false teaching. God has never have it in mind to subject people to eternal torment.

I quote from Jehovah own word at Jeremiah 7:​31

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinmom in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart.

That passage shows what Jehovah can never do. He can never and will never burn people in fire

You are still confusing issues.... again... Death is as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 17 - 19, and Hell refers to the place of eternal damnation declared by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 40 - 46.

What exactly are you having a problem with? Is it that a place of eternal damnation exists as declared by Jesus Christ or is it that Death is as declared by God.

Alright, now let me expatiate this for you. There are several judgments in scriptures. Hell is just a temporary place or like I love to put it a warm up for the main thing which is the lake of fire. That scripture you quoted is the white throne judgment, that is the very final judgment where the fate of sinners will be eventually sealed and believers would receive their reward. The final punishment for sinners is the lake of fire not hell. Scriptures even tell us that hell itself will be thrown into the lake of fire along with the devil,his angels and all sinners. So hell is like a temporary place of torment till the great white throne judgment. At this white throne judgment, Bible tells us that hell will give up all the sinners within it so they can stand before the throne (which is now where the scripture you quoted comes in) and be judged. It is after this judgment that they are thrown into the lake of fire.
And regarding heaven there are many scriptures that point to believers going to heaven when they die. Paul said to be absent from the body (that is, dead) means to be with the Lord Jesus (of course in heaven). Paul in Thessalonians also made reference to believers who are asleep (dead) being with the Lord in heaven

Kobojunkie:
In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ tells us exactly what is to take place when He returns to judge His flock - No one can gain access to Heaven or Hell until after that event.

If we,of the New Covenant, are to take literally that which Jesus Christ taught in Luke 16 vs 19-31 in His story of Lazarus and the Richman, what we are to believe instead is that those who die are immediately ushered into either of Heaven or Hell and that this goes on as life continues here on earth. Essentially, doing this would imply that Jesus Christ lied to us in Mattthew 25 vs 31 - 46 , this among many other teachings and parables He gave to us of the Kingdom of God.

chymeze:
Alright, now let me expatiate this for you. There are several judgments in scriptures. Hell is just a temporary place or like I love to put it a warm up for the main thing which is the lake of fire. That scripture you quoted is the white throne judgment, that is the very final judgment where the fate of sinners will be eventually sealed and believers would receive their reward. The final punishment for sinners is the lake of fire not hell. Scriptures even tell us that hell itself will be thrown into the lake of fire along with the devil,his angels and all sinners. So hell is like a temporary place of torment till the great white throne judgment. At this white throne judgment, Bible tells us that hell will give up all the sinners within it so they can stand before the throne (which is now where the scripture you quoted comes in) and be judged. It is after this judgment that they are thrown into the lake of fire.
And regarding heaven there are many scriptures that point to believers going to heaven when they die. Paul said to be absent from the body (that is, dead) means to be with the Lord Jesus (of course in heaven). Paul in Thessalonians also made reference to believers who are asleep (dead) being with the Lord in heaven

I hate the ramblings as they amount to meaninglessness.

Jesus Christ, the one who owns and controls Hell has told you what is to happen when He returns in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. He is Law in the Kingdom of God so try to keep up.

In Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, Jesus Christ tells us exactly what is to take place when He returns to judge His flock - No one can gain access to Heaven or Hell until after that event.

If we,of the New Covenant, are to take literally that which Jesus Christ taught in Luke 16 vs 19-31 in His story of Lazarus and the Richman, what we are to believe instead is that those who die are immediately ushered into either of Heaven or Hell and that this goes on as life continues here on earth. Essentially, doing this would imply that Jesus Christ lied to us in Mattthew 25 vs 31 - 46 , this among many other teachings and parables He gave to us of the Kingdom of God.

Where did you see the word ONLY? In which version of the Bible? I don't listen to hearsays. Tell me the version let me confirm before I engage in any back and forth discussion.

Barristter07:
It actually said he spoke today through ONLY JESUS.

DisLifeSha:
Hebrews 9:27. And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment,

After that "immediately" or after that "when Jesus Christ returns" comes judgement?

DisLifeSha:
After death judgement and you pass to where fits you

According to Jesus Christ or according to your understanding of what is written somewhere 3lse in scripture?

shepherd316:
You sound like a typical Christ Embassy member, through Christianity is hindered by philosophy, Many schools of thought believe in human logic when dealing with issues that involves eternity. pls bro, snap out of falsehood, and pray to God that he guides you through His Spirit.��

Even your Christ embassy people no believe the teachings of Jesus Christ at all. Jesus Christ said in Matthew 25 vs 31 -46 , in plain speak ,that Heaven and Hell will remain vacant until He returns to judge so any spirit telling you anything else is lying to you.

Also, any spirit that tells you, contrary to what Jesus Christ taught using the parable of Lazarus and the Richman in Luke 16 vs 19 - 31, that God sends people back from the grave to warn you of what is to come is a lying spirit.

Funny comment full this thread like ofada rice..

I just dey laugh since.

How?

Kobojunkie:
But Bill's mission is not according to Jesus Christ either.

[Lazarus was dead and buried,this man wasn't,he had a vision oh

quote author=Kobojunkie post=103600414] Open that very same book you call a bible to read it for your own self. Jesus Christ made it clear that no one will enter Heaven or Hell until after His return.

In the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man, He said no one will be sent back from the dead to warn the Living.

Did Jesus Christ lie? [/quote]

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Greenerie:
How?

Read Luke 16 vs 19-31 for the first reason.

Either Jesus Christ lied or your man Bill is the liar and my money is on Bill being the liar here.

Greenerie:
Lazarus was dead and buried,this man wasn't,he had a vision oh

You mean He didn't die at all?