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freezy4me:
A simple post and fanboys are triggered. I still don't understand what people gain from being fanatic to a particular brand.

I personally started with Samsung then moved to OnePlus. I don't care if am the only one buying OnePlus phone as long as they give me what I enjoy paying for, and if by tomorrow they start messing up and who knows maybe Techno might even be the one giving me what I need, then am jumping ship simple.

I tire lol.

Y'all are funny on this thread and no different from those fanboys at Apple reddit sub.

Similar post there, the same argument but truth is those profits are from Apple selling the iPhones as a premium commodity which boosts profits and other factors comes in play but we won't know since Apple no longer goes public with their sales like atheist said (and I've confirmed from today's gsmarena article).

If Apple wants to make profits, they'll jack the prices of the 13 series and come out saying they've made profits irrespective of declining unit sales and many will take it as is without much questions.

atheistandproud:
I tire lol.

You're lucky there is no dislike button. If not...

atheistandproud:
Everything you have said now still doesn't change the fact Xiaomi has broken into the top #2 for the first time ever whilst Samsung holds on to top spot.

iPhone sales are declining. You're yet to refute that argument.

iPhones YOY will remain steady as they continue to increase the prices of their devices to break even. Will they break back into the top #2, yes at some point. Is that a sustainable business model? Of course not.

Since you're hard of hearing. Here is the news, again, Xiaomi have reached top #2 in the world for the first time surpassing Apple in the process. Like they did to reach #3 last year (again). With their average growth chart, they seem to have a very good outlook.

1) YOY doesn't mean price it's a yardstick for an somehow accurate statistical analysis.
You keep wailing about how the Iphone is overpriced but the Samsung S21 Ultra cost $200 more than the iPhone 12 pro max, without giving you the charging brick or the earphone jack port but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple. Google Pixel 5 goes for $700 with a mid-range processor plastic built while you get a premium built iPhone 12 mini for the same price but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple.
Same way a lot of folks here will wail about Google surveillance and how they are evil but the Harmony OS has been out for sometime now, I'm yet to see people go out of their way to get it. Which bags the question, is it now a crime to run a successfully business just because that business isn't inline with your preferences
2) Read and try to understand what you read. How many times will I address this "IPhone sales is declining" abi until I call you?? How can you say IPhone sales is declining when the Iphone 12 sells more than the Iphone 11. When you bring your CNBC and Vice chart whatever, I explained in clear terms that the overall flagship market is losing because of the rise of mid-ranges. How can something that's is posting a considerable sales YOY be in decline... If 200 people are buy A and then a fraction of that stop buying A, then A cannot sell 200 units anymore. It's not magic, it's simple as A B C. A in this case is the flagship market.


I'm not saying you shouldn't fam Xiaomi, but don't downplay Apple because of that. The market is Big enough.

KrazyDave16:
Y'all are funny on this thread and no different from those fanboys at Apple reddit sub.

Similar post there, the same argument but truth is those profits are from Apple selling the iPhones as a premium commodity which boosts profits and other factors comes in play but we won't know since Apple no longer goes public with their sales like atheist said (and I've confirmed from today's gsmarena article).

If Apple wants to make profits, they'll jack the prices of the 13 series and come out saying they've made profits irrespective of declining unit sales and many will take it as is without much questions.

But the price of the 12 is the same as the 11 and its sales are doing great. Samsung had to use the same strategy for the S21 to be successful.

emae009:
But the price of the 12 is the same as the 11 and its sales are doing great. Samsung had to use the same strategy for the S21 to be successful.

Price of 12 has never been same with that of 11 and the S21 is actually lesser than the S20 when it was released, just want to point that out

emae009:
1) YOY doesn't mean price it's a yardstick for an somehow accurate statistical analysis.
You keep wailing about how the Iphone is overpriced but the Samsung S21 Ultra cost $200 more than the iPhone 12 pro max, without giving you the charging brick or the earphone jack port but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple. Google Pixel 5 goes for $700 with a mid-range processor plastic built while you get a premium built iPhone 12 mini for the same price but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple.
Same way a lot of folks here will wail about Google surveillance and how they are evil but the Harmony OS has been out for sometime now, I'm yet to see people go out of their way to get it. Which bags the question, is it now a crime to run a successfully business just because that business isn't inline with your preferences
2) Read and try to understand what you read. How many times will I address this "IPhone sales is declining" abi until I call you?? How can you say IPhone sales is declining when the Iphone 12 sells more than the Iphone 11. When you bring your CNBC and Vice chart whatever, I explained in clear terms that the overall flagship market is losing because of the rise of mid-ranges. How can something that's is posting a considerable sales YOY be in decline... If 200 people are buy A and then a fraction of that stop buying A, then A cannot sell 200 units anymore. It's not magic, it's simple as A B C. A in this case is the flagship market.


I'm not saying you shouldn't fam Xiaomi, but don't downplay Apple because of that. The market is Big enough.

This is a schematic of how Apple's prices have risen so that they keep posting postive figures for shareholders.

As you have said, if the flagship market is declining, how are apple still posting positive figures, year on year or YoY?

Something has got to give. In this case, it's price. That's why I keep hitting on it.

This your goalpost method of argument sha.

If Q3, Apple takes #2 or #1 sef. I'll be here to announce it. Maybe then I go turn Apple fanboy. Till then sha.

Meister:
Price of 12 has never been same with that of 11 and the S21 is actually lesser than the S20 when it was released, just want to point that out

smh... Do you people ever learn about Apple?
iPhone 11 - $699
✅✅ 11 pro - $999
✅✅ 11 pro Max - $1099

iPhone 12 Mini - $699
✅✅ 12 - $799
✅✅ 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1199

what I meant by Samsung following the same strategy was that even with the increase in performance and features the price didn't correspond to that.

atheistandproud:
This is a schematic of how Apple's prices have risen so that they keep posting postive figures for shareholders.

As you have said, if the flagship market is declining, how are apple still posting positive figures, year on year or YoY?

Something has got to give. In this case, it's price. That's why I keep hitting on it.

This your goalpost method of argument sha.

If Q3, Apple takes #2 or #1 sef. I'll be here to announce it. Maybe then I go turn Apple fanboy. Till then sha.

lol... 11 pro and 11 pro Max that was launched at $999 and $1099 is now $1600 on your own chart. weldone Sir.
Jeez!

Fanatics ( on both sides). People who think the type of device they use somehow makes them superior.

Meksbig:
Fanatics ( on both sides)

I only see some persons on one side using insultive words and running away lol.

emae009:
smh... Do you people ever learn about Apple?
iPhone 11 - $699
✅✅ 11 pro - $999
✅✅ 11 pro Max - $1099

iPhone 12 Mini - $699
✅✅ 12 - $799
✅✅ 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1199

what I meant by Samsung following the same strategy was that even with the increase in performance and features the price didn't correspond to that.

Boss you too dey change mouth, you literally wrote that the price of 11 and 12 are the same and Samsung is following their footsteps in that regard but your new write up shows otherwise or do you think a $100 difference is same as being the same price ?

In comparison check the difference in the launch price of S20 against S21

Meister:
Boss you too dey change mouth, you literally wrote that the price of 11 and 12 are the same and Samsung is following their footsteps in that regard but your new write up shows otherwise or do you think a $100 difference is same as being the same price ?

In comparison check the difference in the launch price of S20 against S21

Goalposts shifting

Are their devices still cheap tho?
It used to be comparatively way cheaper and equally as efficient as the Samsungs, Iphones, LGs etc. Is it still like that or they've moved up their capitalism

Meister:
Boss you too dey change mouth, you literally wrote that the price of 11 and 12 are the same and Samsung is following their footsteps in that regard but your new write up shows otherwise or do you think a $100 difference is same as being the same price ?

In comparison check the difference in the launch price of S20 against S21

Really? I'm wrote the launched prices of those phones which are all online. Once they were available for sales, the iPhone 12 Pro Max was/is sold for $1099. You can check it online. I wrote 4 prices for four phones with 2 matching the previous generation and that means I'm changing mouth or you don't want to accept you don't know that.
For your Samsung, this is their launched prices:
Samsung S20 5G - $999
Samsung S20+ 5G - $1199
Samsung S20 Ultra 5G - $1399
then
Samsung S21 - $799
Samsung S21+ - $999
Samsung S21 Ultra - $1299.

You really think that if the S21 was sold for $474, it wouldn't literally be the most bought phone of 2021?. Why would anyone buy the A72 that costs more if the S21 was $474. Hilarious.
Like I said Samsung after the S20 line up wasn't an overall success followed Apple strategy of not increasing cost even with the overall increase in performance and features of the newer model and it worked for both companies...

emae009:
But the price of the 12 is the same as the 11 and its sales are doing great. Samsung had to use the same strategy for the S21 to be successful.

Same price

If you mean PR, campaigns and discounts, that's a different story.

KrazyDave16:
Same price

If you mean PR, campaigns and discounts, that's a different story.

I posted their prices for the other guy, you can check it out

Mohzus:
You're a wise man . Most folks feel apple is just a phone maker not knowing it's a technological company that has subscription based services and other products like beat by Dre , watches , Mac and other accessories that brings in revenue for them.
That's why it's the most valuable company in the world

So, you assume all Phone making companies only make phones too?

emae009:
I posted their prices for the other guy, you can check it out

Checked it out.

iPhone 12 sales still declining.

Apple pushed trade-in with more Android devices listed and bumped the price for each device trade-in after they reduced the trade-in value of the iPhone 11 to get more profits

Freebies on their products increased, subscriptions slashed...


Sure Samsung has been doing it, it's a first for Apple (or not) but its community keeps living in denial

bkool7:
So, you assume all Phone making companies only make phones too?

No , iPhone sales has been dropping and their business services has been a major source of revenues and it has been positioned to bring in more earnings for them .

I hope I can communicate my thoughts in the right way and not be misunderstood

So let's leave this facts and figures and try to be objective for a bit
I sincerely think both of you are right in your own way
I personally think the number of iPhones been sold has reduced (not as much as is been publicised though)
I personally think again that apart from the iPhone 6 the next iPhone that did very well in sales was the iPhone X series cause it was a huge jump from the features of the 8

Now I think this has affected iPhone for the last 2 years. Their iPhone 11 was definitely not a big jump from the iPhone X and so yes, most people did not buy that.(my personal opinion )
The iPhone 12 came and it got a big bump in screen, battery and a few other things and definitely people jumped on it so yes......I think the iPhone 12 definitely sold more than the iPhone 11 but I don't think Its doing better in sales than the iPhone 11


I would also like to point out that I think personally apple is now more concerned about you subscribing to their numerous services than you buying their iPhone yearly.
I think that's where most of the profit is relaistically coming from .




The androids on the other hand topping the chart have been having Better sales on the next gen of their phones compared to iPhones
The s21 ultra will definitely selll more than the S20

Same thing with Xiaomi mi11 ultra selling more than their last flagship

The same thing also happens with their midrangers

We obviously know people are rushing for Xiaomi 10 pros,Poco and Samsung a31,50's and what not.



Let me just end here .
Ask yourself this question
If 10 people were In a room different financial status but well educated and all and you told to instantly buy a phone they can afford
I think we all know were the pendulum will swing




And that's why Samsung is currently no 1
Xiaomi no 2
iPhone 3..


.again it's my personal opinion and just how I see things no bias or anything .
Hopefully people read to understand and not to argue

APPLE lost innovation since the demise of Steve Jobs the monopoly of IOS and Hype still keeping them in business though.

KrazyDave16:
Checked it out.

iPhone 12 sales still declining.

Apple pushed trade-in with more Android devices listed and bumped the price for each device trade-in after they reduced the trade-in value of the iPhone 11 to get more profits

Freebies on their products increased, subscriptions slashed...


Sure Samsung has been doing it, it's a first for Apple (or not) but its community keeps living in denial

Jeez!... use the Internet Oga. Not going over the same point as with the other two. From overpriced to having freebies and slashing subs. Right.

Timiflexi:
I hope I can communicate my thoughts in the right way and not be misunderstood

So let's leave this facts and figures and try to be objective for a bit
I sincerely think both of you are right in your own way
I personally think the number of iPhones been sold has reduced (not as much as is been publicised though)
I personally think again that apart from the iPhone 6 the next iPhone that did very well in sales was the iPhone X series cause it was a huge jump from the features of the 8

Now I think this has affected iPhone for the last 2 years. Their iPhone 11 was definitely not a big jump from the iPhone X and so yes, most people did not buy that.(my personal opinion )
The iPhone 12 came and it got a big bump in screen, battery and a few other things and definitely people jumped on it so yes......I think the iPhone 12 definitely sold more than the iPhone 11 but I don't think Its doing better in sales than the iPhone 11


I would also like to point out that I think personally apple is now more concerned about you subscribing to their numerous services than you buying their iPhone yearly.
I think that's where most of the profit is relaistically coming from .




The androids on the other hand topping the chart have been having Better sales on the next gen of their phones compared to iPhones
The s21 ultra will definitely selll more than the S20

Same thing with Xiaomi mi11 ultra selling more than their last flagship

The same thing also happens with their midrangers

We obviously know people are rushing for Xiaomi 10 pros,Poco and Samsung a31,50's and what not.



Let me just end here .
Ask yourself this question
If 10 people were In a room different financial status but well educated and all and you told to instantly buy a phone they can afford
I think we all know were the pendulum will swing




And that's why Samsung is currently no 1
Xiaomi no 2
iPhone 3..


.again it's my personal opinion and just how I see things no bias or anything .
Hopefully people read to understand and not to argue

The iPhone 12 sold more than the iPhone 11 but isn't better in terms of sells than the iPhone 11.
care to elaborate??

emae009:
The iPhone 12 sold more than the iPhone 11 but isn't better in terms of sells than the iPhone 11.
care to elaborate??

You like arguing, don't you?

I personally don't hate Apple, and there are still certain things I like about their business strategy, not necessarily about their phones.


But let's face the news at hand, and it's that Apple's sales is dwindling, obviously because people are waiting out the next iteration of iPhones while Samsung and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are still raking in sales from their new devices.

It's simple logic, and nobody is downplaying Apple. They probably will reclaim that no. 2 spot when the iPhone 13 series hits the market.

But what we're looking at here currently is that Apple has not been able to record the same success as they did since the iPhone 6 Series, and people are not seeing enough reasons to upgrade to the latest iterations of their smartphones anymore.

And the problem is you don't wanna admit it.

Even the in the US which is one of their strongholds, how many people people can afford an iPhone 12 Pro Max there? Let's not act like we don't know the income of an average American. Many of them are still using older generations of iPhone.

Apple thinks maintaining the flagship/premium game will always play in their favour. Time will tell.

Mustiboy:
You like arguing, don't you?

I personally don't hate Apple, and there are still certain things I like about their business strategy, not necessarily about their phones.


But let's face the news at hand, and it's that Apple's sales is dwindling, obviously because people are waiting out the next iteration of iPhones while Samsung and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are still raking in sales from their new devices.

It's simple logic, and nobody is downplaying Apple. They probably will reclaim that no. 2 spot when the iPhone 13 series hits the market.

But what we're looking at here currently is that Apple has not been able to record the same success as they did since the iPhone 6 Series, and people are not seeing enough reasons to upgrade to the latest iterations of their smartphones anymore.

And the problem is you don't wanna admit it.

Even the in the US which is one of their strongholds, how many people people can afford an iPhone 12 Pro Max there? Let's not act like we don't know the income of an average American. Many of them are still using older generations of iPhone.

Apple thinks maintaining the flagship/premium game will always play in their favour. Time will tell.

Why this generation dey like this. That statement contradicted itself. Why I pointed it out. Then you go on and on and on about other stuff. Why would I care if you hate or like Apple?
You can't say B outsold A but A is better in sales. It doesn't make any sense. Wasn't an argument, not looking for one. Pointing out a contradiction

emae009:
Why this generation dey like this. That statement contradicted itself. Why I pointed it out. Then you go on and on and on about other stuff. Why would I care if you hate or like Apple?
You can't say B outsold A but A is better in sales. It doesn't make any sense. Wasn't an argument, not looking for one. Pointing out a contradiction

You were making it seem like everyone ditching out facts here hate Apple. That's what Fanboys do.


I wouldn't be surprised if you're using an iPhone 6. Na Una dey make this kind noise.

Mustiboy:
You were making it seem like everyone ditching out facts here hate Apple. That's what Fanboys do.


I wouldn't be surprised if you're using an iPhone 6. Na Una dey make this kind noise.

how Oga?
you keep trying to force an argument with me. I'm not arguing with you.
You made a contradictory statement, I drew your attention to it.
If as you so claim I wanted to make it sound like you hated Apple or everyone here does, I would have used that contradiction to make a case but no I only pointed it out to you.
I even ask you to explain further because it might be contradictory to me but you have a perfect explanation for it. We learn everyday which is my believe but did you explain? No. Have you corrected the contradiction? No. Saying I like argument or I'm making it everybody VS Apple; instead feels like the right path for you to go.
PS: you can let it be there, it's your public record not mine.

emae009:
how Oga?
you keep trying to force an argument with me. I'm not arguing with you.
You made a contradictory statement, I drew your attention to it.
If as you so claim I wanted to make it sound like you hated Apple or everyone here does, I would have used that contradiction to make a case but no I only pointed it out to you.
I even ask you to explain further because it might be contradictory to me but you have a perfect explanation for it. We learn everyday which is my believe but did you explain? No. Have you corrected the contradiction? No. Saying I like argument or I'm making it everybody VS Apple; instead feels like the right path for you to go.
PS: you can let it be there, it's your public record not mine.

It's like you're mistaking me for the guy who made that statement.

My own stance is different. I never made any contradicting statement.

Dat Iphone guy dey argue blindly

emae009:
Jeez!... use the Internet Oga. Not going over the same point as with the other two. From overpriced to having freebies and slashing subs. Right.

The same internet gave me what I told you and I broke it down but you still couldn't grasp anything...

Honestly, arguing with you is pointless. Believe in whatever makes you sleep better at night.

freezy4me:
A simple post and fanboys are triggered. I still don't understand what people gain from being fanatic to a particular brand.

I personally started with Samsung then moved to OnePlus. I don't care if am the only one buying OnePlus phone as long as they give me what I enjoy paying for, and if by tomorrow they start messing up and who knows maybe Techno might even be the one giving me what I need, then am jumping ship simple.

It's just so ridiculous and incomprehensible.
I personally was addicted to Samsung, then for personal reasons, I decided to move to xiaomi. Tomorrow if they stop meeting my taste, I switch. What do I gain from being so sensitive concerning brands? No be my Papa own the company nah. I no even get share for anyone of them. Nawaa o