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Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op):
Olaolufred:
If dad only preaches Christ to you without correcting you when you are friend to somebody with questionable character, will his "Jesus loves you" message be enough?

Bro. He is not criticizing Oyedepo, he is using the word of God also to tell us that if you are preaching the true gospel of Christ, many who have itchy ears will be offended. So, crowd will not want to congregate around the truth hitting them and challenging their lack of Christ when they claimed being Christian.

But when the focus is the crowd, the message can be diluted to pamper them for hell fire.

I was in that Church for close to 17 years (due to my living with my brother who's a member, now pastor) before God delivered me from the message of dominance on earth.

Seek you first the kingdom of God and it's righteousness is in giving your life to Jesus and living it daily by obeying him in all. It is not in monetary value.

How can a fornicator be a successful praise worship leader?
It happened because in a whole year, you will never hear pastor preach about what the works of the flesh are.

Bible is complete, but they selected where to use to motivate men to dominate the earth.

Let thy kingdom come oh Lord.
The deciet is getting too much.
Wow! Seventeen good years?

Thank God for your life, because not many get to realize this. It's alarming how many people were yet walking in ignorance and denial of the glaring Truth.

I really feel your Spirit and it's always a good thing to see people who were not willing to settle for less but all that God has to offer.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless.

Cc. Ishilove
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 7:49pm On Jul 25, 2021
Ishilove:
I hear you. Deputy Jesus.

Even your username already speaks of your conceit so your comment is not coming as a surprise.
It's not a surprise that you know not that every one who's born of the Spirit and truly understands the value of the Words of the Spirit which Jesus spake, as those disciples who remained with Him, was a jesusjnr. Jesus called them His brothers and His true family here on Earth, they had also become sons of God being born of the Spirit as Jesus was.

I wasn't expecting you to be able to comprehend the deep things of the Spirit anyway, for the carnal mind cannot discern such things.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op):
Olaolufred:
[b]This was one of the weakness of anyone going to that church (I was in that captivity for 17 years too)

They can use foul languages so easily because it is rear for anyone to teach them the attitudes/character of a Christian as taught by Jesus himself in Matthew 5.

My relations who goes there can say anything to anyone because even papa does that. You can slap any adult so easily when angry because papa does that.

You will never hear them expatiate on the word of God as touching the works of the flesh and the fruits of the Holy spirit. Galatians 5:19-23.

No wonder a fornicator can be a successful praise worship leader there.

No wonder Provincial / District Pastors can inflate valuation of landed property (proposed District or Zonal Centers) so as to share the extra millions on top between themselves (one of the cases went to court because the Deacons below who broker the deal around Isheri Olofin felt cheated in the sharing).

No wonder pastors can inflate cost of materials purchased by church without feeling any prick.

Wetin Musa eye no go see for gate.

The message about dominating the earth is 100% flawed.

The Lord knows those who are his, Let every one named the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.[/b]
Hmm...

This is very revealing but not unexpected though, because one cannot expect a different result when it's the words of the flesh which Jesus said profits nothing that's being sown.

You know we just do what we do a times, and damn the consequences, especially knowing that there were many here who were loyal to the church and her leader who would be offended, but after hearing revelations like these, they confirm the importance of what we was doing, and that we are actually being led of the Spirit.

God is really awesome.

Thank God for preparing us and giving us the courage to do things, which most shy away from, just as Jesus was doing while He was here on Earth. It's a real blessing and an honor.

Your experience and revelations have really been a blessing here and justified these efforts.

Thanks a lot for sharing.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m):
jesusjnr2020:
Hmm...

This is very revealing but not unexpected though, because one cannot expect a different result when it's the words of the flesh which Jesus said profits nothing that's being sown.

You know we just do what we do a times, and damn the consequences, especially knowing that there were many here who were loyal to the church and her leader who would be offended, but after hearing revelations like these, they confirm the importance of what we was doing, and that we are actually being led of the Spirit.

God is really awesome.

Thank God for preparing us and giving us the courage to do things, which most shy away from, just as Jesus was doing while He was here on Earth. It's a real blessing and an honor.

Your experience and revelations have really been a blessing here and justified these efforts.

Thanks a lot for sharing.
I have seen two part-time pastors shouting themselves down in church saying, "leave my wife alone" (inordinate affection).

How about a part time pastor laying a girl in hotel to help her get scholarships tó landmark university, omu aran?

My sister (been a part-time pastor's wife) had been approached by another pastor for a relationship outside the truth supposed to be upheld.

I have seen staffs of a pastor gathered at honor entrance to threaten pastor (who anchors program on altar regularly) to pay the money he's owing them because they know that point will be the last realm of embarrassment he would fear.
It worked o. He begged and paid.

I still worked on a padded contract of the church recently.

I saw it, but all I could tell someone close to me involved is, "sir, beware of these entanglements". Can I chide someone that was part of my school sponsorship?
Hard but I subtiltly adviced him. What shall it profit a man.

I have seen (mostly part time pastors and deacons) schemed fake transportation arrangement for people to travel to and from church claiming money for services never rendered.

Collection of offerings during WSF (winners satellite fellowship) in Lagos, ota and environs was cancelled when the highly-placed pastors / deacons began to involve new comer in the act of stealing offerings.

I know many of the part time pastors who ministers prospe....and claimed prospe....who are living from hands to mouth. They wasted their lives claiming lies. They are now in their 60s having been used for 20 years of their lives.
Some are wise though, they still balanced church works from their private business (these categories are mostly seen as not following).

The Ethhiopian Eunuch said, "how can I understand when there's no one to explain to me"

The job is to speak to your members the gospel of Christ.

True salvation (not the altar called attached to prosperity). Prosperity is for the children, not the dogs. You see people running to the altar to be saved because they want to prosper. Lori Iro.

Let them know that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Emphasize on the works of the flesh that can take them to hell even if they will have to run away from your church (you have done what a watchman should do).

Let them know what the fruits of the Spirit are even if they will choose not to bear them.

Let them now chose to obey or disobey.
But when you only pamper their itchy ears, you will be guilty of their damnation.

The gospel of Christ is so big and simple that it is an insult to Jesus Christ that we localized it to bread and butter.

May God save as many as possible from being firewoods in hell.

Have mercy Lord and revive your church.

With revival, the scale of coverings veiling people's eyes from the truth will be taken away.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op):
Olaolufred:
I have seen two part-time pastors shouting themselves down in church saying, "leave my wife alone" (inordinate affection).

How about a part time pastor laying a girl in hotel to help her get scholarships tó landmark university, omu aran?

My sister (been a part-time pastor's wife) had been approached by another pastor for a relationship outside the truth supposed to be upheld.

I have seen staffs of a pastor gathered at honor entrance to threaten pastor (who anchors program on altar regularly) to pay the money he's owing them because they know that point will be the last realm of embarrassment he would fear.
It worked o. He begged and paid.

I still worked on a padded contract of the church recently.

I saw it, but all I could tell someone close to me involved is, "sir, beware of these entanglements". Can I chide someone that was part of my school sponsorship?
Hard but I subtiltly adviced him. What shall it profit a man.

I have seen (mostly part time pastors and deacons) schemed fake transportation arrangement for people to travel to and from church claiming money for services never rendered.

Collection of offerings during WSF (winners satellite fellowship) in Lagos, ota and environs was cancelled when the highly-placed pastors / deacons began to involve new comer in the act of stealing offerings.

I know many of the part time pastors who ministers prospe....and claimed prospe....who are living from hands to mouth. They wasted their lives claiming lies. They are now in their 60s having been used for 20 years of their lives.
Some are wise though, they still balanced church works from their private business (these categories are mostly seen as not following).

The Ethhiopian Eunuch said, "how can I understand when there's no one to explain to me"

The job is to speak to your members the gospel of Christ.

True salvation (not the altar called attached to prosperity). Prosperity is for the children, not the dogs. You see people running to the altar to be saved because they want to prosper. Lori Iro.

Let them know that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Emphasize on the works of the flesh that can take them to hell even if they will have to run away from your church (you have done what a watchman should do).

Let them know what the fruits of the Spirit are even if they will choose not to bear them.

Let them now chose to obey or disobey.
But when you only pamper their itchy ears, you will be guilty of their damnation.

The gospel of Christ is so big and simple that it is an insult to Jesus Christ that we localized it to bread and butter.

May God save as many as possible from being firewoods in hell.

Have mercy Lord and revive your church.

With revival, the scale of coverings veiling people's eyes from the truth will be taken away.
Wow! shocked

Speechless!

What more can we say to these things?

Cc. Ishilove
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Ishilove: 11:18am On Jul 26, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Wow! shocked

Speechless!

What more can we say to these things?

Cc. Ishilove
Yes, deputy Jesus?
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 7:43am On Jul 28, 2021
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 8:49am On Jul 28, 2021
Do you know I have two books written by Bro. Gbile Akanni.

1. Becoming like Jesus
2. Go not the way of Balaam.

One will help us know that being called a Christian by birth is a wrong definition of the title.
Flesh is the reason why many who claimed being a Christian aren't one.
Our good actions seen by people aren't really a stamp that we are in Christ unless the actions were as led by the Holy Spirit.
A lot of expatiations of the word of God.

The second will expose the errors of buying and selling in the temple - that pervades the so-called body of Christ today.

Personally, My family in that Church are my first targets. I have been praying to God to help me on the approach to use.
These are the people Oyedepo knows directly. I love them. I want them to know there's more to following the master than riches and gold.
I bought the books and have been praying for God to arouse their spirit to read them (you know they have got a thousand written to confuse them and condition their mind towards dominance on earth). That God will also take over from there so that they may see that the death on the cross is more valuable than relegating it to the provisions of bread and butter.

I know they will see.

They will see.

They will see.

I love them.

Multitudes in that Church needs the true gospel.

They need more than junks.

OH LORD, SEND DOWN REVIVAL.

OPEN THY PEOPLE'S EYES OF UNDERSTANDING.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 9:17am On Jul 28, 2021
It is at best childish ignorance to compare 40 blatant failures to Jesus Christ. How many multitudes did they gather and how many company of people gathered to hear them? How many sick did they heal and how much signs and wonders were wrought by them? Common, let's not even start.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 9:29am On Jul 28, 2021
Olaolufred:
Do you know I have two books written by Bro. Gbile Akanni.

1. Becoming like Jesus
2. Go not the way of Balaam.

One will help us know that being called a Christian by birth is a wrong definition of the title.
Flesh is the reason why many who claimed being a Christian aren't one.
Our good actions seen by people aren't really a stamp that we are in Christ unless the actions were as led by the Holy Spirit.
A lot of expatiations of the word of God.

The second will expose the errors of buying and selling in the temple - that pervades the so-called body of Christ today.

Personally, My family in that Church are my first targets. I have been praying to God to help me on the approach to use.
These are the people Oyedepo knows directly. I love them. I want them to know there's more to following the master than riches and gold.
I bought the books and have been praying for God to arouse their spirit to read them (you know they have got a thousand written to confuse them and condition their mind towards dominance on earth). That God will also take over from there so that they may see that the death on the cross is more valuable than relegating it to the provisions of bread and butter.

I know they will see.

They will see.

They will see.

I love them.

Multitudes in that Church needs the true gospel.

They need more than junks.

OH LORD, SEND DOWN REVIVAL.

OPEN THY PEOPLE'S EYES OF UNDERSTANDING.
Thanks a lot bro.

Thank God not all are walking in blindness even though most are.

I have a belief that if we take care of God's, God would take care of ours.

Jesus said that anyone that forsakes all for the sake of the Kingdom shall gain them.

So that's the mindset I work with.

God bless.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 9:35am On Jul 28, 2021
Ishilove:
Yes, deputy Jesus?
It will take knowing the truth in the Gospel of Jesus Christ to know that being called Jesus junior is a blessed and lofty call if you follow him truly and live according to all he taught you (Mathew chapter 3 and 5) and the whole of his gospel (Mathew to revelation).

Jesus' Juniors is wise if he is a Born again Christian, If he is filled with the Holy Spirit and living daily in Christ Jesus. People like this finds it so hard to use foul languages.
Why? Jesus within them won't allow it.

I am proud of you Jesus junior, everyone of us who follows Christ in Spirit and in truth are called Heirs.
Since Jesus came well ahead of us, we are all born after him, hence his juniors.

I love you brother. Keep the truth going.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 10:56am On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
It is at best childish ignorance to compare 40 blatant failures to Jesus Christ. How many multitudes did they gather and how many company of people gathered to hear them? How many sick did they heal and how much signs and wonders were wrought by them? Common, let's not even start.
I don't even know much about the 40 you're talking about to begin with, so I can't say if they were failures or not, but who I know is a confirmed failure when compared to Jesus, is the person who sacked them, because if Jesus preached the same gospel he preached, the multitude of false disciples who left would have remained with Him, while the true disciples who remained because of the Word of the Spirit He preached would have left Him.

If you think otherwise, then you'd also call Jesus a failure if He were here, because you're worldly in your judgment even though you claim to be of God.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 11:13am On Jul 28, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
I don't even know much about the 40 you're talking about to begin with, so I can't say if they were failures or not, but who I know is a confirmed failure when compared to Jesus, is the person who sacked them, because if Jesus preached the same gospel he preached, the multitude of false disciples who left would have remained with Him, while the true disciples who remained because of the Word of the Spirit He preached would have left Him.

If you think otherwise, then you'd also call Jesus a failure if He were here, because you're worldly in your judgment even though you claim to be of God.
You created a thread with a sensitive title based on the forty that you don't know much about. Shows you hardly know what you are doing. Again, nobody compares to Jesus. Be wise. Let's not even start.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 12:09pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
You created a thread with a sensitive title based on the forty that you don't know much about. Shows you hardly know what you are doing. Again, nobody compares to Jesus. Be wise. Let's not even start.
Says who? Your imagination?

Only the spiritually blind just as the many false disciples who left Jesus would not be able to discern the spiritual value of this message and the purpose of the title, so do not surprised that you can't see it.

As obvious, you're also ignorant of the fact that any true follower of Jesus ought to follow His example and be Christlike, hence your inability to comprehend my point.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 12:35pm On Jul 28, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
Says who? Your imagination?

Only the spiritually blind just as the many false disciples who left Jesus would not be able to discern the spiritual value of this message and the purpose of the title, so do not surprised that you can't see it.

As obvious, you're also ignorant of the fact that any true follower of Jesus ought to follow His example and be Christlike, hence your inability to comprehend my point.
It was not my imagination but you that said you "don't even know much about the 40". i should not waste much time on the rest to allow you enjoy your spirituality.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 12:50pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
It was not my imagination but you that said you "don't even know much about the 40". i should not waste much time on the rest to allow you enjoy your spirituality.
So, how did that now translate into your idea that this thread was created based on the 40?

That's must be your imagination fabricating things not what I said.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 1:03pm On Jul 28, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
So, how did that now translate into your idea that this thread was created based on the 40?

That's must be your imagination fabricating things not what I said.
Of course, it must be my imagination. Just that everyone else on the thread knows and has the same imagination, plus you've been shamelessly calling on the mod to read about the man that sacked the imaginable. Like i said, maybe i should beseech, let's not even start. You need to enjoy don't you think?
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 1:29pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
Of course, it must be my imagination. Just that everyone else on the thread knows and has the same imagination, plus you've been shamelessly calling on the mod to read about the man that sacked the imaginable. Like i said, maybe i should beseech, let's not even start. You need to enjoy don't you think?
That's why I said it's only the spiritually blind as the false disciples that won't be able to comprehend the spiritual importance of this message and the purpose of the title.

You should try and understand that the fact that you're many, doesn't mean that you're everyone else as you're deceived to think, because there are yet few that are spiritually sound as the disciples of Jesus that remained.

Even on this thread, you'd see that your idea that you're everyone has been proven false.

I told you that if Jesus were here you'd do the same to Him because you're carnally minded and reason no differently from those of the world.

Next time, don't try to judge things that transcend beyond the scope of your level of understanding, so you don't find yourself starting what you can't finish.

As for the mod, I don't know what you're speaking of, except it's your fellow carnally-minded person, who came here to speak blindly as you did, who I mentioned just twice so she could see what she was too blind to see, for her own good.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 1:32pm On Jul 28, 2021
undecided shocked
jesusjnr2020:
That's why I said it's only the spiritually blind as the false disciples that won't be able to comprehend the spiritual importance of this message and the purpose of the title.

You should try and understand that the fact that you're many, doesn't mean that you're everyone else as you're deceived to think, because there are yet few that are spiritually sound as the disciples of Jesus that remained.

Even on this thread, you'd see that your idea that you're everyone has been proven false.

I told you that if Jesus were here you'd do the same to Him because you're carnally minded and reason no differently from those of the world.

Next time, don't try to judge things that transcend beyond the scope of your level of understanding, so you don't start what you can't finish.

As for the mod, I don't know what you're speaking of, except it's your fellow carnally-minded person, who came here to speak blindly as you did, who I mentioned just twice so she could see what she was too blind to see, for her own good.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 1:46pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
You created a thread with a sensitive title based on the forty that you don't know much about. Shows you hardly know what you are doing. Again, nobody compares to Jesus. Be wise. Let's not even start.
Jesus himself knows this title is not a sin against him.

Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed?

How is this sensitive?

What made it sensitive?

NOTE:

The real problems is that the prophetic blessings and give and take messages has made many to be claiming Christians without "true" Bible knowledge or truths.

Let us do a bit of Bible Study of John 6: 48-70.

I know "winners" use the verses to take "communion". In contest, they needed verse 48-59 to prove that communion is eaten for life (healing of the body). Though there is an epidemic of the sickness of the spirit, because of eating the wrong food (polluted word of God).

Body of Christ and his flesh are to be taken as a remembrance of the spiritual connection every truly-born again Christian (carrying his cross daily) have with the man who gave all for our salvation on the cross of Calvary. This thing is not supposed to be what tom, dick and harry jumps at. It must only be done understanding the true value of the cross.
Which eternal life is in a fornicator that is leading praise and worship on the altar of the big church?. What eternal life are we remembering? The one we don't even know?

Reducing it to healing of the body that is going to fizzle in few years (60-100, or less) is heresy.
We know that healing can happen by faith in Jesus Christ, but not because of the communion, but Jesus and faith in him.
So, the eternal life communion brings is that indept spiritual understanding of the price paid on the cross that keeps you in that relationship with Christ till the day of his coming. This is where multitudes are lacking.

If Jesus showed up today to tell them in that big auditorium that his death is not for the meaning they are giving it, they will stone him.

How many messages do they even preach about this eternal life? You hear Eternal life when it is read in the bible on the road to making another points that is not dealing with eternal life. That is how bad it is. Important tenets of Jesus teachings relegated to passive reading.

IT WAS A HARD TEACHING THEN. But do you know that it is no longer a hard teaching today because it has been reduced to a bodily healing meal that every unrepentant sinners can take for healing.

Many who found the true teaching of Christ hard went away from him. and he asked his disciples, won't you go away too? (vs 67)
Peter answered in a captivating way (Vs 68-69). Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

So from this passage, how is the topic sensitive?

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know Christ Jesus.

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know the word of God.

It will only be sensitive to the Church-going almanjiris who fights for their own God (Jesus is happy with Jesusjnr anyway).

I know that anytime they use the passage to eat and drink the blood, it is always from verse 48-58. No member cares to ask more questions that will make them hunger for more truths about the whole John Chapter 6.

IF CHRIST COMES TO THAT AUDITORIUM TO TELL THEM THEY ARE TAKING IN HERESIES, THEY WILL STONE HIM FOR CONTRADICTING PAPA.

Jesusjnr, continue to serve the master in truth and in HOLINESS, without which no man shall see the LORD.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 2:11pm On Jul 28, 2021
Olaolufred:
Jesus himself knows this title is not a sin against him.

Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed?

How is this sensitive?

What made it sensitive?

NOTE:

The real problems is that the prophetic blessings and give and take messages has made many to be claiming Christians without "true" Bible knowledge or truths.

Let us do a bit of Bible Study of John 6: 48-70.

I know "winners" use the verses to take "communion". In contest, they needed verse 48-59 to prove that communion is eaten for life (healing of the body). Though there is an epidemic of the sickness of the spirit, because of eating the wrong food (polluted word of God).

Body of Christ and his flesh are to be taken as a remembrance of the spiritual connection every truly-born again Christian (carrying his cross daily) have with the man who gave all for our salvation on the cross of Calvary. This thing is not supposed to be what tom, dick and harry jumps at. It must only be done understanding the true value of the cross.
Which eternal life is in a fornicator that is leading praise and worship on the altar of the big church?. What eternal life are we remembering? The one we don't even know?

Reducing it to healing of the body that is going to fizzle in few years (60-100, or less) is heresy.
We know that healing can happen by faith in Jesus Christ, but not because of the communion, but Jesus and faith in him.
So, the eternal life communion brings is that indept spiritual understanding of the price paid on the cross that keeps you in that relationship with Christ till the day of his coming. This is where multitudes are lacking.

If Jesus showed up today to tell them in that big auditorium that his death is not for the meaning they are giving it, they will stone him.

How many messages do they even preach about this eternal life? You hear Eternal life when it is read in the bible on the road to making another points that is not dealing with eternal life. That is how bad it is. Important tenets of Jesus teachings relegated to passive reading.

IT WAS A HARD TEACHING THEN. But do you know that it is no longer a hard teaching today because it has been reduced to a bodily healing meal that every unrepentant sinners can take for healing.

Many who found the true teaching of Christ hard went away from him. and he asked his disciples, won't you go away too? (vs 67)
Peter answered in a captivating way (Vs 68-69). Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

So from this passage, how is the topic sensitive?

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know Christ Jesus.

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know the word of God.

It will only be sensitive to the Church-going almanjiris who fights for their own God (Jesus is happy with Jesusjnr anyway).

I know that anytime they use the passage to eat and drink the blood, it is always from verse 48-58. No member cares to ask more questions that will make them hunger for more truths about the whole John Chapter 6.

IF CHRIST COMES TO THAT AUDITORIUM TO TELL THEM THEY ARE TAKING IN HERESIES, THEY WILL STONE HIM FOR CONTRADICTING PAPA.

Jesusjnr, continue to serve the master in truth and in HOLINESS, without which no man shall see the LORD.
Quite a long talk for such a "sensitive" short alarm. My advice to you is to focus on Jesus Christ and stop your seeming obsession with "winners". Chasing shadows don't help the Christian.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 2:18pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
Quite a long talk for such a "sensitive" short alarm. My advice to you is to focus on Jesus Christ and stop your seeming obsession with "winners". Chasing shadows don't help the Christian.
My advice to you too is to go study the true word of God.

Give your life to Christ.

So that you and I will be able to inherit the kingdom of God.

Jesus is coming again. Either by individual's death or rapture.

Without salvation, all burning of fuel from Surulere, Apapa, Mushin, Ketu to Canaan land is a waste of life.

What shall it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?

Jesus told us to preach the word. You have read it.

You may use bold face today, but Christ will one day arrest you the same way he did to Saul on the road to Damascus.

When the scale has fallen of, you will see it the way it is.

Shalom.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 2:23pm On Jul 28, 2021
Olaolufred:
My advice to you too is to go study the true word of God.

Give your life to Christ.

So that you and I will be able to inherit the kingdom of God.

Jesus is coming again. Either by individual's death or rapture.

Without salvation, all burning of fuel from Surulere, Apapa, Mushin, Ketu to Canaan land is a waste of life.

What shall it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?

Jesus told us to preach the word. You have read it.

You may use bold face today, but Christ will one day arrest you the same way he did to Saul on the road to Damascus.

When the scale has fallen of, you will see it the way it is.

Shalom.
Beware of the Pharisees and Sadducees, keep that warning like it's the Word of God. undecided
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 2:37pm On Jul 28, 2021
Image123:
Beware of the Pharisees and Sadducees, keep that warning like it's the Word of God. undecided
They are exactly what we are praying that many church goers don't become, (having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof).

We must beware of not being ready for the kingdom of God and also denying others too.

Let us read Mathew Chapter 23, and pray that the Lord open up our inner eyes to see.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 3:11pm On Jul 28, 2021
Olaolufred:
They are exactly what we are praying that many church goers don't become, (having the form of godliness but denying the power thereof).

We must beware of not being ready for the kingdom of God and also denying others too.

Let us read Mathew Chapter 23, and pray that the Lord open up our inner eyes to see.
You see why Jesus said we shouldn't cast out pearls before those who don't know and don't want to know the value of them?

Instead of appreciating them, they'd trash them and come after you lol!

So this wasn't meant for such ones who don't know and don't want to know... but for those who know, also those who don't know but desire to know the Truth.

Thanks bro.

God bless you.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 3:50pm On Jul 28, 2021
Olaolufred:
Jesus himself knows this title is not a sin against him.

Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed?

How is this sensitive?

What made it sensitive?

NOTE:

The real problems is that the prophetic blessings and give and take messages has made many to be claiming Christians without "true" Bible knowledge or truths.

Let us do a bit of Bible Study of John 6: 48-70.

I know "winners" use the verses to take "communion". In contest, they needed verse 48-59 to prove that communion is eaten for life (healing of the body). Though there is an epidemic of the sickness of the spirit, because of eating the wrong food (polluted word of God).

Body of Christ and his flesh are to be taken as a remembrance of the spiritual connection every truly-born again Christian (carrying his cross daily) have with the man who gave all for our salvation on the cross of Calvary. This thing is not supposed to be what tom, dick and harry jumps at. It must only be done understanding the true value of the cross.
Which eternal life is in a fornicator that is leading praise and worship on the altar of the big church?. What eternal life are we remembering? The one we don't even know?

Reducing it to healing of the body that is going to fizzle in few years (60-100, or less) is heresy.
We know that healing can happen by faith in Jesus Christ, but not because of the communion, but Jesus and faith in him.
So, the eternal life communion brings is that indept spiritual understanding of the price paid on the cross that keeps you in that relationship with Christ till the day of his coming. This is where multitudes are lacking.

If Jesus showed up today to tell them in that big auditorium that his death is not for the meaning they are giving it, they will stone him.

How many messages do they even preach about this eternal life? You hear Eternal life when it is read in the bible on the road to making another points that is not dealing with eternal life. That is how bad it is. Important tenets of Jesus teachings relegated to passive reading.

IT WAS A HARD TEACHING THEN. But do you know that it is no longer a hard teaching today because it has been reduced to a bodily healing meal that every unrepentant sinners can take for healing.

Many who found the true teaching of Christ hard went away from him. and he asked his disciples, won't you go away too? (vs 67)
Peter answered in a captivating way (Vs 68-69). Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

So from this passage, how is the topic sensitive?

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know Christ Jesus.

It will only be sensitive to those who truly don't know the word of God.

It will only be sensitive to the Church-going almanjiris who fights for their own God (Jesus is happy with Jesusjnr anyway).

I know that anytime they use the passage to eat and drink the blood, it is always from verse 48-58. No member cares to ask more questions that will make them hunger for more truths about the whole John Chapter 6.

IF CHRIST COMES TO THAT AUDITORIUM TO TELL THEM THEY ARE TAKING IN HERESIES, THEY WILL STONE HIM FOR CONTRADICTING PAPA.

Jesusjnr, continue to serve the master in truth and in HOLINESS, without which no man shall see the LORD.
It occurred to me that I need to Explain the bolded further.
My Joy is that anyone who truly hungered for truth in that Church who reads this will come to know the truth in Christ.
Those with itchy ears will ever continue to live like in the days of Noah (They were celebrating the new cars, houses, businesses, weddings, naming etc). You know what happened next. Many missed the Ark. In our days, Jesus-The Ark will be missed too by Majority.
Narrow is the way, but myself and you can still strive to take the Narrow way.


TO THE BOLDED 2:

Peter knew exactly who Jesus was (by their fruits you shall know them). JESUS HAVE THE WORD OF ETERNAL LIFE.

How come eternal life have been replaced with DOMINATING THE EARTH?

I JOHN 2; 15-17 SAYS,

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

CAN YOUR PASTOR BE SAID TO HAVE THE WORD THAT MATTERED (THE WORD OF ETERNAL LIFE)?.

TO THE BOLDED 3:

Paul and Silas in Berea (ACT 17: 10-12).

10That very night the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea. When they arrived there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul’s message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth. 12As a result, many Jews believed, as did many of the prominent Greek women and men.

Do not allow the deceivers to play on your intelligence.
Whenever they quote a verse, please go home and pray that the Holy Spirit help you to understand the truth in his word. Go and read the whole Chapter to understand the REAL truth about the verse they quoted.
Be like the Berean Christians.

Don't be bamboozled with quoting verses that appeals to people's emotions.
Don't be excited about pastors dazzling about with "one verse here and connect with another there".

Read the Bible. They are in Chapters, so study them in-depth.

The Lord bless Ishilove, Image123 and many who will come to read this in future in the true understanding of his word.

Amen.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 10:33pm On Jul 28, 2021
jesusjnr2020:
You see why Jesus said we shouldn't cast out pearls before those who don't know and don't want to know the value of them?

Instead of appreciating them, they'd trash them and come after you lol!

So this wasn't meant for such ones who don't know and don't want to know... but for those who know, also those who don't know but desire to know the Truth.

Thanks bro.

God bless you.
I Appreciate the fact that you did not use the exact word in KJV by replacing it with "those who don't know and don't want to know the value of them"

Jesus only was preparing us to know that some will pour peppery water on us because they don't want to receive the gospel of Jesus Christ.
A disciple was sawn into pieces, Another crucified upside down, they stoned Stephen to death, Paul survived death in some occasion just for the gospel.

So, image123 has done nothing compared to what the disciples faced.
We could be partners tomorrow in sharing this gospel truth together when he understands better.

Jesus said we must preach it "in season and out of season". Whether there are insults or attack, We must preach it.
It is a task we can't shy away from.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 1:54am On Jul 29, 2021
Olaolufred:
I Appreciate the fact that you did not use the exact word in KJV by replacing it with "those who don't know and don't want to know the value of them"

Jesus only was preparing us to know that some will pour peppery water on us because they don't want to receive the gospel of Jesus Christ.
A disciple was sawn into pieces, Another crucified upside down, they stoned Stephen to death, Paul survived death in some occasion just for the gospel.

So, image123 has done nothing compared to what the disciples faced.
We could be partners tomorrow in sharing this gospel truth together when he understands better.

Jesus said we must preach it "in season and out of season". Whether there are insults or attack, We must preach it.
It is a task we can't shy away from.
You're right that such ones could become partners in sharing the true gospel tomorrow.

If you knew me well, you'd understand that there's nothing I would love more than for that to happen.

There have have been proven instances of some of my fiercest attackers here and those who once disapproved of me becoming some of my best friends here in Nairaland. One was literally led of the Spirit to change his disapproving opinion of me.

My own is to preach the gospel of Christ, everything else is secondary to me, so I take such things as a bonus when they come because whether or not, I must needs preach the Gospel of Christ regardless. I'm not here to make friends but to do the Will of He that sent me here.

I have been literally arrested, beaten, and faced serious persecution for preaching the Gospel of Christ elsewhere, so when I speak of the apostles and what they went through, I'm not just speaking of something beyond me but the reality of the life I live. Perhaps the only thing is, i've not been killed for Christ's name and Gospel sake. If i were, i wouldn't be here, but that's one of my dreams left, because I don't want to be left out of what the apostles experienced, when from the worst of situations they translated to the best.

I had been prepared for this from the onset since 2002 when I became born of the Spirit. God told me that because of the Word I was going to preach, which is basically the Words of Jesus, that I would face serious persecutions, but that because I was founded upon the rock, I would not be moved.

That's the Word that going to bring about the end-time revival you've been hearing about. It the Words of Jesus which has inflicted the greatest damage on the works of Satan, even that which he fears most, hence the extent of persecution and opposition it faces from the children of the devil including those he planted inside the church, even also some who were of God but yet lack true knowledge.

But we are grateful to God because the life we live today which is similar to those of the apostles, is a dream we once had, so we thank God for making our dreams come true.

I must say that you've have truly been a blessing and inspiration in the few moments I have known you.

Thanks and God bless.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by jesusjnr2020(op): 10:42pm On Jul 30, 2021
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Myer(m): 9:25am On Aug 01, 2021
Hezzyluv:
God is not a failure, will not be a failure and can never be a failure
God's not a failure.
But by Oyedepo's standard, he's calling God a failure.

If after over 6000 years God has not been able to successfully undo the damage that the sin of Adam and Eve caused mankind and in fact all creation, then according to Oyedepo's gospel God failed.

If Oyedepo could ordain pastors and sack them for underperformance in less than 1 year especially in a Covid-19 ridden season, then he definitely would have sacked God for underperformance too.
Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Olaolufred(m): 7:32am On Aug 02, 2021
@Ishilove
@image123
@all who desires truth in Christ.
Watch this and check for more on YouTube @ Bro. Gbile Akanni.


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Re: Was Jesus A Failure Because Many Of His Disciples Left Him And Few Stayed? by Image123(m): 9:42am On Aug 02, 2021
Olaolufred:
@Ishilove
@image123
@all who desires truth in Christ.
Watch this and check for more on YouTube @ Bro. Gbile Akanni.


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Brother, you are comparing apples to oranges. Mind you, i've probably listened to Gbile Akanni before you ever heard the name, so i know exactly what i mean. The topic of discussion was on numerical increase, and yes it is a criterion in any church and in the Bible. If you don't like it, no problem. i don't intend to argue with you or offend your sincere, tender and growing heart. Just heed to the advice given as you go along.
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