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Ibime:
These Trumpanzees are deluded if they think a group whose aim is establishment of Sharia will share power with a secular Government.

Well some President has to carry the can for what would have been an eventual withdrawal. Let it be Biden. Americans won't care.

On a longer time frame, parties carry the can for the wars they start and Afghanistan and Iraq wars were started by a Republican President.

Abascoh:
You are the one that knows nothing, Can you even read at all? The deal wasn't followed through by biden and that's why it collapsed and the fighting resumed. There was supposed to be a power sharing deal under Trump's deal but Biden literally handed over the whole country to the taliban with his incompetence

Abascoh:
You are the one that knows nothing, Can you even read at all? The deal wasn't followed through by biden and that's why it collapsed and the fighting resumed. There was supposed to be a power sharing deal under Trump's deal but Biden literally handed over the whole country to the taliban with his incompetence

Abascoh:
Biden should stop behaving like Buhari and step up and lead. People are elected to lead in time of crises not passing blames around while disaster happens under your watch.

How much money has been spent?
The vast majority of spending in Afghanistan has come from the US.

Between 2010 to 2012, when the US for a time had more than 100,000 soldiers in the country, the cost of the war grew to almost $100bn a year, according to US government figures.

As the US military shifted its focus away from offensive operations and concentrated more on training up Afghan forces, costs fell sharply.

By 2018 annual expenditure was around $45bn, a senior Pentagon official told the US Congress that year.

According to the US Department of Defense, the total military expenditure in Afghanistan (from October 2001 until September 2019) had reached $778bn.

In addition, the US state department - along with the US Agency for International Development (USAID) and other government agencies - spent $44bn on reconstruction projects.

That brings the total cost - based on official data - to $822bn between 2001 and 2019, but it doesn't include any spending in Pakistan, which the US uses as a base for Afghan-related operations.

According to a Brown University study in 2019, which has looked at war spending in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, the US had spent around $978bn (their estimate also includes money allocated for the 2020 fiscal year).

The study notes that it is difficult to assess the overall cost because accounting methods vary between government departments, and they also change over time, leading to different overall estimates.

The UK and Germany - who had the largest numbers of troops in Afghanistan after the US - spent an estimated $30bn and $19bn respectively over the course of the war.

Despite pulling out nearly all their troops, the US and Nato have promised a total of $4bn a year until 2024 to fund Afghanistan's own forces.

So far this year, Nato has sent $72m worth of supplies and equipment to Afghanistan.

Some of this money has been lost to waste, fraud and abuse over the years.

In a report to the US Congress in October 2020, the watchdog responsible for the oversight of reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan estimated that about $19bn had been lost this way between May 2009 and December 31, 2019.

What about the human cost?
Since the war against the Taliban began in 2001, there have been more than 3,500 coalition deaths, of which more than 2,300 have been US soldiers.

A further 20,660 US soldiers have been injured in action.

MaziAlaye:
You sat down to type this rubbish..God of mercy!!!!
You're not worried that Taliban’s take over of major cities in Afghanistan might embolden most Terrorist groups in sub-Saharan countries. Countries like Burkina Faso, DRC, Nigeria, Somalia and Mali are gonna see more terrorist activities and you say it's not gonna affect the USA??... Lmao thank God say no be your type dey handle foreign policy.

zendi:
It's over, Kabul has fallen.
Afghan President bails from Country.
"Sorry, Afghans, we didn't tell you,"
"Woke Generals and Admirals fight 'racism' and 'climate change', not talibans."

Abascoh:
Biden should stop behaving like Buhari and step up and lead. People are elected to lead in time of crises not passing blames around while disaster happens under your watch.

zendi:
It's over, Kabul has fallen.
Afghan President bails from Country.
"Sorry, Afghans, we didn't tell you."
"Woke Generals and Admirals fight 'racism' and 'climate change', not talibans."

wirinet:
I vehemently disagree with you. The Afghan debacle is one of the greatest failures in US foreign policy. Just like in Iraq, the US went into Afghanistan without any clear objective or agenda outside getting Osama bin Laden for the 911 attack. No long time strategy.

The US should have lead her allies for have a longer presence in Afghanistan - maybe 50 years or beyond, until the present generation of die hard Islamic fundamentalists die out. The British were in Nigeria and Ghana for close to 100 years. You cannot significantly change the mindset of a people in 20 years.

In 20 years, the $2 trillion and 2,500 dead would pale into insignificance when compared with the havoc an Islamic fundamentalist Taliban can wreck on US and it's allies, along with their interests.

On geo-political strategic levels the Afghanistan withdrawal was a disaster. Afghanistan is situated mid way between Russia, China and Iran. A strong US presence there would have been a very stategic position. Now I am sure China would rush in and create an alliance with the Taliban. The incoming Taliban government would need money to run its government and China is always willing to loan rogue governments money - with conditions attached. Imagine the anti west alliance of China, Russia, Iran and now Afghanistan. It would be more difficult to rein in Iran.

Throughout history, countries invade other countries for exploitation or for strategic reason most times at huge financial and human costs. The did not exploit its advantageous positions in all its military adventures. They are too impatient and usually give up after a couple of decades. We all now know that the best way to defeat the US military is just hold out for 1 or 2 decades and they will run off with their tails between their legs.

This is an agreement between USA and Taliban.

The USA is broke, they can't sustain the war or rebuild the country since the tribes are loyal to Taliban.

Option left is pretend to withdraw and allow Taliban take over. Looks better than USA handover power to Taliban directly.

The USSR also had to withdraw from Afghanistan in the 80s.

.. how can a country fall within two weeks if not that the people really don't want the scam democracy enforce on them.

America failed to build government of the people for the people in afghanistan.

When taliban rose back, it was the people that suppose to rise and chase them back to their holes.
But the government was too useless and did not belong to the people.

The people of Afghanistan want Taliban to rule, the Afghanistan force with their corruption want Taliban to take over, if this is allowed no external force can win.

That's what they want, total Islamic country, that they will get.

Women will have little or no rights.

The president is Taliban sympathizer,no resistance at all

How come taliban could overpowered the country of forty million people?

Their government is incredibly so useless and unpopular.

The people of Afghanistan wanted Taliban back so there's nothing US and it allies can do about it.


Majority of them are Taliban sympathizers including the Afghan National security forces.

Which one be unfolding chaos..
Afgahnistan is a tribal oriented country.
The elders and the tribesmen supported the Taliban course, that why the government fall so easily with just little resistance.
Its hightime people expecially the Western countries start respecting other peoples way of life and how they want to live their lifes.
Democracy is just modern slavery and a scam.

Because the Taliban comes from an ethnic group that forms 37% of the population, hence the largest ethnic group in the country.

Beancounter94:
So what do you want Biden to do?

The only way America could have changed the situation in Afghanistan was to commit to a 100 year stay to modernize the country.....

The only people that can change Afghanistan are the Afghans. Expecting the US to stay and do it for them is expecting too much.

Beancounter94:
So what do you want Biden to do?

The only way America could have changed the situation in Afghanistan was to commit to a 100 year stay to modernize the country.....

The only people that can change Afghanistan are the Afghans. Expecting the US to stay and do it for them is expecting too much.

PrideofLincoln1:
Thank you. No one can help you if you are not willing to help yourself. America spent in excess of $2 Trillion not to talk of thousands of young people who died and got maimed. We should have left Afghanistan 5 years after Bin Laden was killed by the Seal Team. Some of these people just want America to be their for eternity while America's infrastructure is falling down everyday. Fvck Afghanistan if the people can't defend themselves with all the armories and arsenals left behind by US.

Tdotbluejays:
Exactly.

The US and their allies have tried enough. The money been spent on Afghanistan can be spent in their individual countries to boost their own security networks and intelligence.

Tdotbluejays:
The Afghan armed forces must by now have surrendered all those US and allied weapons to the Taliban.

I saw a Taliban flying a western military helicopter on twitter a few days ago. Who taught the taliban how to fly the military aircraft? It's most likely a member of the Afghan armed forces that are sympathetic to the cause of the Taliban.

PrideofLincoln1:
All those armaments left behind by Uncle Sam are in the hands of Taliban now who are not even sweating taking over some of the pronvices because Afghanistan soldiers are just throwing up white towels of surrendering. These people love their Sharia law since the days of Mujahadeen and nothing any country can do to change their culture and the way of life they prefer. They like living in 18th century and that's fine with me as long as they don't bring their lunacy to my side of the aisle.

basilico:
Jow Biden came into office with the express determination to undo everything Trump had done and do it better. Joe Biden saw Trump had a September deadline for withdrawal. Joe moved it forward.



Barack Obama voiced concerns about Joe
Biden’s presidential candidacy and warned
allies not to underestimate his ability to “f**k
things up”, according to reports.

Beancounter94:
There is nothing the US could do.

Short of committing to a long term colonization project LASTING generations, with American district commissioners in every village surrounded by ten heavily armed US troops......which means more money and more lives lost.

At some point the US would have had to leave Afghanistan.

The fault is squarely with the Afghans themselves, not the US, TRUMP or BIDEN, or woke or not woke.

obixcel:
He never thought about the implications other than self serving egomaniac. All he wanted to do was to be the guy that bears the title of the one that actually moved the US troops out of Afghanistan - that's all!

obixcel:
He never thought about the implications other than self serving egomaniac. All he wanted to do was to be the guy that bears the title of the one that actually moved the US troops out of Afghanistan - that's all!

PrideofLincoln1:
Here comes another intellectual dullard. Known the least but yell the most. Go and join Bubu Army and that wilk be an Avenue for you to hop on a plane on your way to Kabul to defend your Afghanistan friends. Hope you are strong enough to carry AK 47 and M15.

benalvino3:
Some of you trying to pin this on trump but no, trump has nothing to do with this. Set a date for withdrawal, none of you can tell me how he would have handled the withdrawal. The fact that they flew the troops out and had to flew them back in to secure or evacuate the embassy means they have no clue what was going to happen. The signs were there and again, if it was Trump who knows? No one knows.