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MISHIGAS!

HellVictorinho:
I don't think there's anything like everything that exists neither do I think there's no thing without a beginning

I think there are things without a beginning.
In fact, there's no limit to the things without a beginning and these things can neither be created nor destroyed

These things form different combinations.

I FEEL INSULTED IN THAT I POSTED AT 6:55am AND YOU MERELY QUOTED MY ENTIRE POST, WITHOUT ADDRESSING ANY OF ITS CONTENT, AND POSTED AT 7:10am- YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO HAVE READ THROUGH MY POST, AND UNDERSTOOD IT.

Your response shows a complete failure of your intellect- no joke.

What is the point of this drivel?

This is what would be expected from someone who was DRUNK- in a STUPOR- that is, STUPID.

HellVictorinho:
Living things are combinations that accidentally manifest consciousness.

YOU HAVE TO BE A FOOL TO THINK THAT LIFE IS ANY SORT OF ACCIDENT- THAT IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU.

You have no interest in THE TRUTH about THE PARANORMAL, and whether or not it exists. You have no interest in me, nor those who believe as I do.

There is only ONE THING you want from us:

HellVictorinho:
Do you know anyone with paranormal abilities?

AFTER YOU HAVE SHOWN ME AND MY BRETHREN THIS LEVEL OF SELF-IMPORTANT DISRESPECT, THERE IS ZERO CHANCE THAT WE WILL EVER BE FRIENDS ON ANY LEVEL, NOR THAT I WILL HELP OR COOPERATE WITH YOU ON ANY LEVEL.

I am a Born Again, Full-Gospel Pentecostal Christian. As such, I have "PARANORMAL ABILITIES" by default.

We all do, by definition.

There are millions of us alive on Earth today. There will be hundreds into thousands of us right by you.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment
ye judge,
ye shall be judged:
and with what measure
ye mete,
it shall be measured
to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but consideredst not
the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say
to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

And behold, a beam
(is) in thine own eye.
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou
see clearly to cast out
the mote out of
thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is Holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again,
and rend you."

MOST THE PARANORMALITY OF OUR RELIGION AVAILABLE TODAY IS NOT USEFUL TO ATHEISTS.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth
a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in
to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men
put new wine
into old bottles:
else the bottles break,
and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine
into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

INVESTIGATING OUR RELIGION, WITHOUT REPENTING OF YOUR SINS AND CONVERTING, WILL INJURE AND DESTROY YOUR SOUL AND YOUR MIND.

This is an inescapable Law.

The type of Mind Sinners have cannot process Divine Truth without being aberrated, damaged, and destroyed.

That is why you think and reason so foolishly, when you try to discuss The Kingdom of God. Different parts of the Mind handle different Topics (some topics overlap in the Mind,) therefore, RICHARD DAWKINS can be the most brilliant MOLECULAR BIOLOGIST alive- but when he talks about RELIGION, it is like even PHINEAS GAGE can think better than him.

All Atheists are like that.

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus,
a Ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus
by night,
and said unto him,

"Rabbi, we know
that thou art a Teacher
come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles
that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN
BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

4. Nicodemus saith unto him,

"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus Answered,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CAN NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'

6. "That which is Born
of the Flesh
is flesh;
and that which is Born
of The Spirit
is spirit.
7. "Marvel not
that I Said unto thee,

'YE MUST BE
BORN AGAIN.'

8. "The wind bloweth
where it listeth,
and thou hearest
the sound thereof,
but canst not tell
whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one
that is Born of The Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered
and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
and knowest not
these things?
11. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK
THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY
THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT
OUR WITNESS.'

12. "If I have told you
Earthly Things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you
of Heavenly Things?
13. "And no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the Serpent in the Wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man
be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever
believeth in him
should not perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved
the World,
that He gave
His only Begotten Son,
that whosoever
believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son
into the World
to Condemn the World;
but that the World through him
might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth in him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned Already,
because he hath not
believed in
The Name of The Only
Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'

20. "For every one
that doeth Evil
hateth The Light,
neither cometh
to The Light,
lest his deeds
should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds
may be manifest,
that they are
wrought in God."

"BORN AGAIN" IN NORTHERN ARAMAIC MEANS: "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." NICODEMUS SPOKE SOUTHERN ARAMAIC, AND HENCE DID NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS. [Footnote to JOHN 3:3,5 in the Lamsa Peshitta Bible.]

IF YOU DO NOT REPENT (OF CERTAIN KEY SINS), IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

What you are trying to do is see The Kingdom of God.

There are PARANORMALS practically everywhere- but you don't see them, because there is a fucking beam in your "eye" (the term means "attitude".

BassReeves:
So, I assume you're trying to push a non existing point that Enoch didnt at all die a physical death?
Is that Yes, that Enoch you are saying didnt die a physical death?
Or its No, and you agree that Enoch did die a physical death?

Methuselah?
About the name Methuselah, are you familiar with the name? Yes or No?
Are you familiar with the 'When he dies, judgment' or 'When he is dead, it shall be sent' interpretation meaning of the name? Yes or No?

It certainly is another place on earth for as you rightly confirmed the earth was brimming full of evil, so God took Enoch out before the judgment that was to 120 years later to come.

John 3:9-13
'9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be possible?”
10Jesus replied, “You are the [great and well-known] teacher of Israel, and yet you do not know nor understand these things [from Scripture]?
11I assure you and most solemnly say to you, we speak only of what we [absolutely] know and testify about what we have [actually] seen [as eyewitnesses]; and [still] you [reject our evidence and] do not accept our testimony.
12If I told you earthly things [that is, things that happen right here on earth] and you do not believe, how will you believe and trust Me if I tell you heavenly things?
13No one has gone up into heaven, but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man [Himself--whose home is in heaven]'

Based on the above verses, it could not be heaven itself nor any of the other territories of God which we know or not know of. Enoch had no state or quality of being divine, and so was not immortal

BEING NEW TO THIS IS THE ONLY EXCUSE YOU HAVE FOR NOT KNOWING THAT LORD YESHUA DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH- NOR LATIN, NOR GREEK.

He spoke ARAMAIC.

[See: THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST, by Mel Gibson.]

The Ancients had ways of speaking that cannot be translated: you have to know the language to understand what they actually meant.

[color=silver].[/color] NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 24:15-16.

15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger
as he that is Born in the land,
when he Blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to Death."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:31.

31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.' "

If The Bible is translated literally- like as if it were run through GOOGLE TRANSLATE, then LORD YESHUA CONTRADICTED WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES.

He told Moses that NOT EVER SIN can be forgiven- BLASPHEMY and INIQUITY (deliberate Sins,) cannot be ATONED under The Law.

But Lord Yeshua literally said that EVERYTHING CAN BE FORGIVEN, except Blasphemy against The Holy Ghost.

How I alone explain this, is that what he literally said is not what he meant- but everyone present knew what he meant.

The King James Version is the only Bible I know that warns the reader, when THE TRANSLATORS add words that are NOT in the manuscript.

They indicate this with ITALICS.

They were trying to express what those verses mean to the Native speakers, that would be lost in a literal translation.

I BELIEVE that what Lord Yeshua really said was:

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:31. (Tunde Translation)

31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'EVEN IF all OTHER manner
of Sin and Blasphemy
shall be forgiven
unto men:
but The Blasphemy
against THE HOLY GHOST
shall NEVER be forgiven
unto men.' "

I do not expect a single Western Bible Scholar to have a reasonable objection to this interpretation.

Therefore, when Lord Yeshua said that no one had been to Heaven, that is the literal translation, but not the ACTUAL MEANING.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:13.

13. "And no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which is in Heaven."

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:13. Tunde's Terrible Translation

13. "And IT IS AS IF no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
BUT HE that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which IS in Heaven."

TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, I HAVE A PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF LORD YESHUA'S CLAIM TO HAVE DESCENDED FROM, OR TO BE DWELLING IN HEAVEN.

A number of people have claimed to have been to Heaven in the past couple of hundred years.

ELLEN G. WHITE.
MARIETTA DAVIS.
THE ADULLAM RESCUE MISSION ORPHANS.
KENNETH E. HAGIN.
ROLAND S. BUCK.
ROBERTS LIARDON.

[See: SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST LITERATURE.
SCENES BEYOND THE GRAVE: Trance of Marietta Davis, by J.L. Scott (1856).
VISIONS BEYOND THE VEIL, by H.A. Baker (1920).
I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth Erwin HAGIN (1972).
ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT, by Charles & Frances Hunter (1979).
I SAW HEAVEN, by Roberts S. Liardon (1983).]

They did not die to go to Heaven.

They went on to live more or less normal lives.

KENNETH HAGIN and ROLAND BUCK'S experiences are of particular interest, because they came back from Heaven- or wherever they went, with ARTIFACTS.

Most Organized Christianity teaches that these experiences are random, and that God instigates them arbitrarily- and that there is no way to go to Heaven deliberately.

My research says that that is a lie.

The implication of THE BOOK OF JOB, and THE PARABLE OF THE KING'S BANQUET is that God periodically summons His Sons to assemble before Him in Heaven.

[color=silver].[/color] JOB 1:1-22.

THERE was a man
in the land of Uz,
whose name was Job;
and that man was perfect
and upright,
and one that feared God,
and eschewed Evil.
2. And there were born
unto him seven sons
and three daughters.
3. His substance also
was seven thousand sheep,
and three thousand camels,
and five hundred yoke of oxen,
and five hundred she asses,
and a very great household;
so that this man
was the greatest
of all the men of the East.
4. And his sons went
and feasted in their houses,
every one his day;
and sent and called for
their three sisters
to eat and to drink
with them.
5. And it was so,
when the days
of their feasting
were gone about,
that Job sent
and sanctified them,
and rose up early
in the morning,
and offered burnt offerings
according to the number
of them all:
for Job said,

"It may be that
my sons have sinned,
and cursed God
in their hearts."

Thus did Job continually.
6. Now there was a day
when The Sons of God
came to present themselves
before The LORD,
and Satan came also
among them.
7. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Whence comest thou?"

Then Satan answered The LORD,
and said,

"From going to and fro
in the Earth,
and from walking
up and down in It."

8. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Hast thou considered
My Servant Job,
that there is none
like him in the Earth,
a perfect and an upright man,
one that feareth God,
and escheweth Evil?"

9. Then Satan
answered The LORD,
and said,

"Doth Job
fear God for nought?
10. "Hast not Thou
made an hedge
about him,
and about his house,
and about all that he hath
on every side?
Thou hast Blessed
the Work of his hands,
and his substance
is increased in the land.
11. "But put forth Thine Hand now,
and touch all that he hath,
and he will curse thee to Thy Face."

12. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Behold, all that he hath
is in thy Power;
only upon himself
put not forth thine hand."

So Satan went forth
from The Presence
of The LORD.

13. And there was a day
when his sons
and his daughters
were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother's house:
14. And there came
a messenger unto Job,
and said,

"The oxen were plowing,
and the asses feeding
beside them:
15. "And the Sabeans
fell upon them,
and took them away;
yea, they have slain the servants
with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

16. While he was
yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"The Fire of God
is fallen from Heaven,
and hath burned up
the sheep,
and the servants,
and consumed them;
and I only
am escaped alone
to tell thee."

17. While he was
yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"The Chaldeans
made out three bands,
and fell upon the camels,
and have carried them away,
yea, and slain the servants
with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

18. While he was yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"Thy sons and thy daughters
were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother's house:
19. "And, behold,
there came a great wind
from the wilderness,
and smote
the four corners of the house,
and it fell upon the young men,
and they are dead;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

20. Then Job arose,
and rent his mantle,
and shaved his head,
and fell down upon the ground,
and worshipped,
21. And said,

"Naked came I
out of my mother's womb,
and naked shall I return thither:
The LORD Gave,
and The LORD
hath Taken Away;
Blessed be The Name
of The LORD.

22. In all this Job Sinned not,
nor charged God foolishly.


[color=silver].[/color]    MATTHEW 22:1-14.

AND Jesus Answered
and Spake unto them again
by Parables,
and Said,

2. "The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage
for his son,
3. "And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden
to the wedding:
and they would not come.
4. "Again, he sent forth
other servants,
saying,

'TELL THEM
WHICH ARE BIDDEN,

"BEHOLD,
I HAVE PREPARED MY DINNER:
MY OXEN AND MY FATLINGS
ARE KILLED,
AND ALL THINGS ARE READY:
COME UNTO THE MARRIAGE." '

5. "But they made light of it,
and went their ways,
one to his farm,
another to his merchandise:
6. "And the remnant
took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully,
and slew them.
7. "But when the king heard thereof,
he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.
8. Then saith he to his servants,

'THE WEDDING IS READY,
BUT THEY WHICH WERE BIDDEN
WERE NOT WORTHY.
9. 'GO YE THEREFORE
INTO THE HIGHWAYS,
AND AS MANY
AS YE SHALL FIND,
BID TO THE MARRIAGE.'

10. "So those servants
went out
into the highways,
and gathered together all
as many as they found,
both bad and good:
and the wedding
was furnished with guests.
11. "And when the king
came in
to see the guests,
he saw there a man
which had not on
a wedding garment:
12. "And he saith unto him,

'FRIEND,
HOW CAMEST THOU
IN HITHER NOT HAVING
A WEDDING GARMENT?'

And he was speechless.
13. "Then said the king
to the servants,

'BIND HIM
HAND AND FOOT,
AND CAST HIM
INTO OUTER DARKNESS,
THERE SHALL BE WEEPING
AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
14. 'FOR MANY ARE CALLED
BUT FEW (ARE) CHOSEN.'

I believe that it may be justifiably inferred that this August Assembly (no pun intended,) takes place as many as three times a year.

[TO BE CONCLUDED.]

BassReeves:
Matthew 16:28
'And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die (i.e. will not taste death) before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”'

Hebrews 9:27
'And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once
and after this [comes certain] judgment,'

Brah, I would have loved it, had it being that without giving explanation, you simply just answered the questions straight up

Bass i want to believe that you can see how long your epistle is to try to tell us that Enoch died when the Scripture clearly said otherwise. The same Hebrews that you quote says so. Quote the passage in the version you used. It ironically says "Enoch was caught up and taken to heaven so that he would not have a glimpse of death;"

Brah, absence of Bible passage evidence that says that Enoch died is not evidence that Enoch did not die (i.e. is not proof that Enoch did not experience physical death)

Brah, with the utmost respect, Hebrews does not very specifically says Enoch did not die.

It clearly says so, that is why you need a lot of paragraphs to attempt to make it say otherwise.
New International Version
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death:

New Living Translation
It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Enoch was taken away, and so he did not experience death.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By faith Enoch was taken away so he did not experience death,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By faith, Enoch was transported away and he did not taste death,

Contemporary English Version
Enoch had faith and did not die.

i could go on you know, but let's forge ahead.

There different things here. It's one thing, not to see death, but its a different thing to taste death (i.e. to die)

In, Shakespeare' Julius Caesar, Caesar quoted below is actually confirming scripture (i.e. Hebrews 9:27 seen above):
'A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once. It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.'

It's different according to you and Shakespeare?

Brah, Hebrew 11:5, states that Enoch was translated that he should not see death. The verse does not say that Enoch did not die, does not say Enoch did not taste death, but only said he did not see death, and so this makes me re-ask the question again and I humbly hope you'll sincerely, honestly and truthfully answer, which is:
What specific death was Enoch taken away not to see?

You are only attempting to make a very clear verse esoteric. Which one is tasting death, seeing death, specific deaths? Are these demarcations clearly taught in the Bible? How do we know that it is not my own(the normal) understanding of death that was referred to in chapter 9? What you are doing is called eisegesis.

Matthew 10:28
'“And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul;
rather be afraid of him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”'

Luke 12:4-5, 13-21
'4"I tell you, my friends, don't be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5But I will warn you whom you should fear.
Fear him, who after he has killed, has power to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
13One of the multitude said to him, "Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me."
14But he said to him, "Man, who made me a judge or an arbitrator over you?"
15He said to them, "Beware! Keep yourselves from covetousness, for a man's life doesn't consist of the abundance of the things which he possesses."
16He spoke a parable to them, saying, "The ground of a certain rich man brought forth abundantly.
17He reasoned within himself, saying, 'What will I do, because I don't have room to store my crops?'
18He said, 'This is what I will do. I will pull down my barns, and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19I will tell my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years. Take your ease, eat, drink, be merry."'
20"But God said to him, 'You foolish one, tonight your soul is required of you. The things which you have prepared—whose will they be?'
21So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

All these verse have no connection to the fact that Enoch was not, for God took him.

You are just reinforcing my point that all men taste death and so physically die, whether its Enoch, Elijah, Philip, Moses etc no man is an exception to that rule.

Let me ask you another easy, simple, innocent, harmless, not intimidating and straightforward question, which is:
How were Moses and Elijah perceived by Jesus' three closest followers (i.e. Peter, James and John)? Was it in the form of a physical appearance or in form of a vision?
If Peter, James and John in their lives prior to that moment have never met either Moses and Elijah, how did they know and recognise them without any form of introduction?

That was the experience of the Kingdom that Jesus mentioned which you also quoted. They knew them as supernaturally as Jeus knew Zaccheus. This has nothing to do with Enoch and Elijah not dying BTW, except you want to make another branch of it.

Brah, please stop using the same God yardstick for measuring puny mortal human beings

Is Jesus, God or Jesus isnt God?
Is it within God's power to be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time? Need I say more? Need I continue?

Lol, so we should take others literally but we should not take Jesus literally. Brother, stop kidding please.

Genesis 2:7
'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'

C'mon look at you talking this way.
Do human beings 100% obey every command of God?
Guess your answer will be No, and thats likely because you know that the art of snitching is all down to having the gift of freewill (i.e. freedom to do as you like)

Man, fundamentally is a soul, enrobed in a bodysuit or dust vestment

Lol, let me help you. It has nothing to do with human nature, it was simply the language employed. Jesus Himself told them to show themselves to men(the priests). So Him saying NO MAN does not mean NO MAN on earth.

It is the bodysuit, that makes a soul a man, makes a soul a human being. It is why our Lord and Saviour of the world, adopted the title Son of man, (i.e. male offspring of a human being)

John 3:9-13
'9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be possible?”
10Jesus replied, “You are the [great and well-known] teacher of Israel, and yet you do not know nor understand these things [from Scripture]?
11I assure you and most solemnly say to you, we speak only of what we [absolutely] know and testify about what we have [actually] seen [as eyewitnesses]; and [still] you [reject our evidence and] do not accept our testimony.
12If I told you earthly things [that is, things that happen right here on earth] and you do not believe, how will you believe and trust Me if I tell you heavenly things?
13No one has gone up into heaven, but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man [Himself--whose home is in heaven]'

Enoch had no state or quality of being divine, and so was not immortal. Meaning that Enoch died, his body returned to earth, his spirit returned back to God, while his soul is currently resting in Adam's bosom aka Paradise, awaiting Judgement Day, just as like every human being awaits that day.

Enoch and Elijah have a beginning, that's the difference. Angels and spirits/devils don't die BTW. That does not make them God. They all have a beginning. All those who will be alive and remain when Jesus comes will not see death too, i believe you remember this. They will also be change in a moment, just like Enoch and Elijah were. i'll leave it here, you are free to hang on to whatever you insist on. Enoch and Elijah cannot save anyone.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



I FEEL INSULTED IN THAT I POSTED AT 6:55am AND YOU MERELY QUOTED MY ENTIRE POST, WITHOUT ADDRESSING ANY OF ITS CONTENT, AND POSTED AT 7:10am- YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO HAVE READ THROUGH MY POST, AND UNDERSTOOD IT.

Your response shows a complete failure of your intellect- no joke.

What is the point of this drivel?

This is what would be expected from someone who was DRUNK- in a STUPOR- that is, STUPID.



YOU HAVE TO BE A FOOL TO THINK THAT LIFE IS ANY SORT OF ACCIDENT- THAT IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT YOU.

You have no interest in THE TRUTH about THE PARANORMAL, and whether or not it exists. You have no interest in me, nor those who believe as I do.

There is only ONE THING you want from us:



AFTER YOU HAVE SHOWN ME AND MY BRETHREN THIS LEVEL OF SELF-IMPORTANT DISRESPECT, THERE IS ZERO CHANCE THAT WE WILL EVER BE FRIENDS ON ANY LEVEL, NOR THAT I WILL HELP OR COOPERATE WITH YOU ON ANY LEVEL.

I am a Born Again, Full-Gospel Pentecostal Christian. As such, I have "PARANORMAL ABILITIES" by default.

We all do, by definition.

There are millions of us alive on Earth today. There will be hundreds into thousands of us right by you.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 7:1-6.

"JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what judgment
ye judge,
ye shall be judged:
and with what measure
ye mete,
it shall be measured
to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but consideredst not
the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou say
to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

And behold, a beam
(is) in thine own eye.
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou
see clearly to cast out
the mote out of
thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is Holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again,
and rend you."

MOST THE PARANORMALITY OF OUR RELIGION AVAILABLE TODAY IS NOT USEFUL TO ATHEISTS.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth
a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is put in
to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men
put new wine
into old bottles:
else the bottles break,
and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine
into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

INVESTIGATING OUR RELIGION, WITHOUT REPENTING OF YOUR SINS AND CONVERTING, WILL INJURE AND DESTROY YOUR SOUL AND YOUR MIND.

This is an inescapable Law.

The type of Mind Sinners have cannot process Divine Truth without being aberrated, damaged, and destroyed.

That is why you think and reason so foolishly, when you try to discuss The Kingdom of God. Different parts of the Mind handle different Topics (some topics overlap in the Mind,) therefore, RICHARD DAWKINS can be the most brilliant MOLECULAR BIOLOGIST alive- but when he talks about RELIGION, it is like even PHINEAS GAGE can think better than him.

All Atheists are like that.



IF YOU DO NOT REPENT (OF CERTAIN KEY SINS), IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

What you are trying to do is see The Kingdom of God.

There are PARANORMALS practically everywhere- but you don't see them, because there is a fucking beam in your "eye" (the term means "attitude".



BEING NEW TO THIS IS THE ONLY EXCUSE YOU HAVE FOR NOT KNOWING THAT LORD YESHUA DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH- NOR LATIN, NOR GREEK.

He spoke ARAMAIC.

[See: THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST, by Mel Gibson.]

The Ancients had ways of speaking that cannot be translated: you have to know the language to understand what they actually meant.

[color=silver].[/color] NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any man Sin
through Ignorance,
then he shall bring
a She Goat of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. "And the Priest
shall make an Atonement
for the Soul
that Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth
by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement
for him,
and it shall be
forgiven him.
29. " Ye shall have one Law
for him that Sinneth Ignorantly
(both for) him
that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth
(ought) presumptuously,
(whether he be)
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul
shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath
despised The Word
of The LORD,
and hath broken
His Commandment,
that Soul
shall utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity
(shall be) upon him."

[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 24:15-16.

15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger
as he that is Born in the land,
when he Blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to Death."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:31.

31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.' "

If The Bible is translated literally- like as if it were run through GOOGLE TRANSLATE, then LORD YESHUA CONTRADICTED WHAT GOD TOLD MOSES.

He told Moses that NOT EVER SIN can be forgiven- BLASPHEMY and INIQUITY (deliberate Sins,) cannot be ATONED under The Law.

But Lord Yeshua literally said that EVERYTHING CAN BE FORGIVEN, except Blasphemy against The Holy Ghost.

How I alone explain this, is that what he literally said is not what he meant- but everyone present knew what he meant.

The King James Version is the only Bible I know that warns the reader, when THE TRANSLATORS add words that are NOT in the manuscript.

They indicate this with ITALICS.

They were trying to express what those verses mean to the Native speakers, that would be lost in a literal translation.

I BELIEVE that what Lord Yeshua really said was:

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:31. (Tunde Translation)

31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'EVEN IF all OTHER manner
of Sin and Blasphemy
shall be forgiven
unto men:
but The Blasphemy
against THE HOLY GHOST
shall NEVER be forgiven
unto men.' "

I do not expect a single Western Bible Scholar to have a reasonable objection to this interpretation.

Therefore, when Lord Yeshua said that no one had been to Heaven, that is the literal translation, but not the ACTUAL MEANING.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:13.

13. "And no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which is in Heaven."

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 3:13. Tunde's Terrible Translation

13. "And IT IS AS IF no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
BUT HE that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which IS in Heaven."

TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE, I HAVE A PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF LORD YESHUA'S CLAIM TO HAVE DESCENDED FROM, OR TO BE DWELLING IN HEAVEN.

A number of people have claimed to have been to Heaven in the past couple of hundred years.

ELLEN G. WHITE.
MARIETTA DAVIS.
THE ADULLAM RESCUE MISSION ORPHANS.
KENNETH E. HAGIN.
ROLAND S. BUCK.
ROBERTS LIARDON.

[See: SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST LITERATURE.
SCENES BEYOND THE GRAVE: Trance of Marietta Davis, by J.L. Scott (1856).
VISIONS BEYOND THE VEIL, by H.A. Baker (1920).
I BELIEVE IN VISIONS, by Kenneth Erwin HAGIN (1972).
ANGELS ON ASSIGNMENT, by Charles & Frances Hunter (1979).
I SAW HEAVEN, by Roberts S. Liardon (1983).]

They did not die to go to Heaven.

They went on to live more or less normal lives.

KENNETH HAGIN and ROLAND BUCK'S experiences are of particular interest, because they came back from Heaven- or wherever they went, with ARTIFACTS.

Most Organized Christianity teaches that these experiences are random, and that God instigates them arbitrarily- and that there is no way to go to Heaven deliberately.

My research says that that is a lie.

The implication of THE BOOK OF JOB, and THE PARABLE OF THE KING'S BANQUET is that God periodically summons His Sons to assemble before Him in Heaven.

[color=silver].[/color] JOB 1:1-22.

THERE was a man
in the land of Uz,
whose name was Job;
and that man was perfect
and upright,
and one that feared God,
and eschewed Evil.
2. And there were born
unto him seven sons
and three daughters.
3. His substance also
was seven thousand sheep,
and three thousand camels,
and five hundred yoke of oxen,
and five hundred she asses,
and a very great household;
so that this man
was the greatest
of all the men of the East.
4. And his sons went
and feasted in their houses,
every one his day;
and sent and called for
their three sisters
to eat and to drink
with them.
5. And it was so,
when the days
of their feasting
were gone about,
that Job sent
and sanctified them,
and rose up early
in the morning,
and offered burnt offerings
according to the number
of them all:
for Job said,

"It may be that
my sons have sinned,
and cursed God
in their hearts."

Thus did Job continually.
6. Now there was a day
when The Sons of God
came to present themselves
before The LORD,
and Satan came also
among them.
7. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Whence comest thou?"

Then Satan answered The LORD,
and said,

"From going to and fro
in the Earth,
and from walking
up and down in It."

8. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Hast thou considered
My Servant Job,
that there is none
like him in the Earth,
a perfect and an upright man,
one that feareth God,
and escheweth Evil?"

9. Then Satan
answered The LORD,
and said,

"Doth Job
fear God for nought?
10. "Hast not Thou
made an hedge
about him,
and about his house,
and about all that he hath
on every side?
Thou hast Blessed
the Work of his hands,
and his substance
is increased in the land.
11. "But put forth Thine Hand now,
and touch all that he hath,
and he will curse thee to Thy Face."

12. And The LORD
Said unto Satan,

"Behold, all that he hath
is in thy Power;
only upon himself
put not forth thine hand."

So Satan went forth
from The Presence
of The LORD.

13. And there was a day
when his sons
and his daughters
were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother's house:
14. And there came
a messenger unto Job,
and said,

"The oxen were plowing,
and the asses feeding
beside them:
15. "And the Sabeans
fell upon them,
and took them away;
yea, they have slain the servants
with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

16. While he was
yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"The Fire of God
is fallen from Heaven,
and hath burned up
the sheep,
and the servants,
and consumed them;
and I only
am escaped alone
to tell thee."

17. While he was
yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"The Chaldeans
made out three bands,
and fell upon the camels,
and have carried them away,
yea, and slain the servants
with the edge of the sword;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

18. While he was yet speaking,
there came also another,
and said,

"Thy sons and thy daughters
were eating and drinking wine
in their eldest brother's house:
19. "And, behold,
there came a great wind
from the wilderness,
and smote
the four corners of the house,
and it fell upon the young men,
and they are dead;
and I only am escaped alone
to tell thee."

20. Then Job arose,
and rent his mantle,
and shaved his head,
and fell down upon the ground,
and worshipped,
21. And said,

"Naked came I
out of my mother's womb,
and naked shall I return thither:
The LORD Gave,
and The LORD
hath Taken Away;
Blessed be The Name
of The LORD.

22. In all this Job Sinned not,
nor charged God foolishly.


[color=silver].[/color]    MATTHEW 22:1-14.

AND Jesus Answered
and Spake unto them again
by Parables,
and Said,

2. "The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage
for his son,
3. "And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden
to the wedding:
and they would not come.
4. "Again, he sent forth
other servants,
saying,

'TELL THEM
WHICH ARE BIDDEN,

"BEHOLD,
I HAVE PREPARED MY DINNER:
MY OXEN AND MY FATLINGS
ARE KILLED,
AND ALL THINGS ARE READY:
COME UNTO THE MARRIAGE." '

5. "But they made light of it,
and went their ways,
one to his farm,
another to his merchandise:
6. "And the remnant
took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully,
and slew them.
7. "But when the king heard thereof,
he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.
8. Then saith he to his servants,

'THE WEDDING IS READY,
BUT THEY WHICH WERE BIDDEN
WERE NOT WORTHY.
9. 'GO YE THEREFORE
INTO THE HIGHWAYS,
AND AS MANY
AS YE SHALL FIND,
BID TO THE MARRIAGE.'

10. "So those servants
went out
into the highways,
and gathered together all
as many as they found,
both bad and good:
and the wedding
was furnished with guests.
11. "And when the king
came in
to see the guests,
he saw there a man
which had not on
a wedding garment:
12. "And he saith unto him,

'FRIEND,
HOW CAMEST THOU
IN HITHER NOT HAVING
A WEDDING GARMENT?'

And he was speechless.
13. "Then said the king
to the servants,

'BIND HIM
HAND AND FOOT,
AND CAST HIM
INTO OUTER DARKNESS,
THERE SHALL BE WEEPING
AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
14. 'FOR MANY ARE CALLED
BUT FEW (ARE) CHOSEN.'

I believe that it may be justifiably inferred that this August Assembly (no pun intended,) takes place as many as three times a year.

[TO BE CONCLUDED.]

You are not the first to call me names.
You are not the first to condemn me.


So, what's the use

Image123:
Bass i want to believe that you can see how long your epistle is to try to tell us that Enoch died when the Scripture clearly said otherwise. The same Hebrews that you quote says so. Quote the passage in the version you used. It ironically says "Enoch was caught up and taken to heaven so that he would not have a glimpse of death;"



It clearly says so, that is why you need a lot of paragraphs to attempt to make it say otherwise.
New International Version
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death:

New Living Translation
It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying

Christian Standard Bible
By faith Enoch was taken away, and so he did not experience death.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By faith Enoch was taken away so he did not experience death,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
By faith, Enoch was transported away and he did not taste death,

Contemporary English Version
Enoch had faith and did not die.

i could go on you know, but let's forge ahead.



It's different according to you and Shakespeare?



You are only attempting to make a very clear verse esoteric. Which one is tasting death, seeing death, specific deaths? Are these demarcations clearly taught in the Bible? How do we know that it is not my own(the normal) understanding of death that was referred to in chapter 9? What you are doing is called eisegesis.



All these verse have no connection to the fact that Enoch was not, for God took him.



That was the experience of the Kingdom that Jesus mentioned which you also quoted. They knew them as supernaturally as Jeus knew Zaccheus. This has nothing to do with Enoch and Elijah not dying BTW, except you want to make another branch of it.



Lol, so we should take others literally but we should not take Jesus literally. Brother, stop kidding please.



Lol, let me help you. It has nothing to do with human nature, it was simply the language employed. Jesus Himself told them to show themselves to men(the priests). So Him saying NO MAN does not mean NO MAN on earth.




Enoch and Elijah have a beginning, that's the difference. Angels and spirits/devils don't die BTW. That does not make them God. They all have a beginning. All those who will be alive and remain when Jesus comes will not see death too, i believe you remember this. They will also be change in a moment, just like Enoch and Elijah were. i'll leave it here, you are free to hang on to whatever you insist on. Enoch and Elijah cannot save anyone.

Tell me what I have gained from you and that bastard

HellVictorinho:
Tell me what I have gained from you and that bastard

Hope that you failed and fail to use.

Image123:
Hope that you failed and fail to use.

You rendered me hopeless with accusations and condemnations!!!!!!



Now, you are accusing me of failing to use what I never had

I am hopelessly close to death as we speak and accusations can't save me


You are quickening my death with your hurting accusations


I fight accusations from you and that bastard everyday


When I die, I will never miss the useless accusations and condemnations that are capable of driving someone mad!!!!!!!

[CONCLUDING:]

GOD SUMMONS HIS SONS TO ASSEMBLE BEFORE HIM IN HEAVEN, AS MANY AS THREE TIMES A YEAR.

[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 23:14-17.

14. "Three times thou shalt
keep a Feast unto Me in the year.
15. "Thou shalt keep
The Feast of Unleavened Bread:
[thou shalt eat Unleavened Bread
seven days,
as I Commanded thee,
in the time appointed
of the month Abib;
for in it thou camest out
from Egypt:
and none shall
appear before Me empty:]
16. "And The Feast of Harvest,
the firstfruits of thy labours,
which thou hast sown in the field:
and The Feast of Ingathering,
which is in the end of the year,
when thou hast gathered in
thy labours out of the field.
17. "Three times in the year
all thy males shall appear
before The Lord GOD."

IT EMERGES THAT GOING TO HEAVEN IS VERY EASY- IF YOU FORGET THE NONSENSE OYINBO ORGANIZED RELIGION TELLS US.

oaroloye:
All Bible Teaching are summarized as follows:

[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 25:13-30.

13. "Watch therefore,
for ye know neither
the Day nor the Hour wherein
The Son of Man cometh.
14. "For The Kingdom of Heaven
is as a man travelling
into a far country,
who called his own servants,
and delivered unto them
his goods.
15. "And unto one
he gave five talents,
to another two,
and to another one;
to every man according to
his several ability;
and straightway
took his journey.
16. "Then he that had
received the five talents
went and traded
with the same,
and made them
other five talents.
17. "And likewise he
that had received two,
he also gained other two.
18. "But he that had
received one
went and digged in the earth,
and hid his lord's money.
19. "After a long time
the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.
20. "And so he that had
received five talents
came and brought
other five talents,
saying,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME FIVE TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
BESIDE THEM
FIVE TALENTS MORE.'

21. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
THOU GOOD
AND FAITHFUL SERVANT:
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'

22. "He also that had
received two talents
came and said,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME TWO TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
TWO OTHER TALENTS
BESIDE THEM.'

23. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT;
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'

24. "Then he which had
received the one talent
came and said,

'LORD,
I KNEW THEE
THAT THOU ART
AN HARD MAN,
REAPING WHERE
THOU HAST NOT SOWN,
AND GATHERING
WHERE THOU HAST
NOT STRAWED:
25. AND I WAS AFRAID,
AND WENT AND HID
THY TALENT IN THE EARTH:
LO, THERE THOU HAST
THAT IS THINE.'

26. "His lord answered
and said unto him,

'THOU WICKED
AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT,
THOU KNEWEST
THAT I REAP
WHERE I SOWED NOT,
AND GATHER WHERE
I HAVE NOT STRAWED:
27. 'THOU OUGHTEST THEREFORE
TO HAVE PUT MY MONEY
TO THE EXCHANGERS,
AND THEN AT MY COMING
I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED
MINE OWN WITH USURY.
28. 'TAKE THEREFORE
THE TALENT FROM HIM,
AND GIVE IT UNTO HIM
WHICH HATH TEN TALENTS.
29. 'FOR UNTO EVERY ONE
THAT HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN,
AND HE SHALL
HAVE ABUNDANCE:
BUT FROM HIM
THAT HATH NOT
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY
EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH.
30. 'AND CAST YE
THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT
INTO OUTER DARKNESS:
THERE SHALL BE
WEEPING AND GNASHING
OF TEETH.' "

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 30:10-20.

10. If thou shalt hearken
unto The Voice of
The LORD thy God,
to keep His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which are written
in this Book of The Law,
and if thou turn unto
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul.
11. For This Commandment
which I Command thee
This Day,
it is not hidden from thee,
neither is it far off.
12. It is not in Heaven,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO UP
FOR US TO HEAVEN,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"

13. Neither is it
beyond the Sea,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO OVER
THE SEA FOR US,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"

14. But the Word is
very nigh unto thee,
in thy mouth,
and in thy Heart,
that thou mayest do it.
15. See, I have set
before thee this day
Life and Good,
and Death and Evil;
16. In that I Command thee
this Day to love
The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to keep
His Commandments
and His Statutes
and His Judgments,
that thou mayest
live and multiply:
and The LORD thy God
shall Bless thee
in the Land
whither thou goest
to possess It.
17. But if thine Heart
turn away,
so that thou wilt not hear,
but shalt be drawn away,
and worship other gods,
and serve them;
18. I denounce unto you
This Day,
that ye shall surely perish,
and that ye shall not
prolong your Days
upon the Land,
whither thou passest
over Jordan
to go to possess it.
19. I call Heaven and Earth
to Record this Day
against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore Choose Life,

that both thou
and thy Seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love
The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey
His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy Days:

that thou mayest
dwell in the Land
Which The LORD Sware
unto thy Fathers,
to Abraham,
to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

[color=silver].[/color] 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

[color=silver].[/color]   AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:28-53.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that ye are
Abraham's Seed;
but ye seek to kill me,
because my Word hath
no place in you.
38. "I Speak That Which
I have seen with my Father:
and ye do that which
ye have seen with your Father."

39. They answered
and said unto him,

"Abraham is our father."

Jesus Saith unto them,

"If ye were Abraham's Children,
ye would do
the Works of Abraham.
40. "But now
ye seek to kill me,
a man that hath told you
The Truth,
Which I have heard of God:
this did not Abraham.
41. "Ye do the deeds
of your father."

Then said they to him,

"We be not
born of fornication;
we have one Father,
even God."

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

49. Jesus Answered,

"I have not a Devil;
but I honour my Father,
and ye do dishonour me.
50. "And I seek not
mine own Glory:
there is one that seeketh
and judgeth.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "

52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

HOLINESS IS ACHIEVED BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME- WITHOUT COMMITTING SIN, EVEN ONCE.

As Holiness increases, THE TALENTS ACTIVATE SEQUENTIALLY- until the FIFTH TALENT is attained.

Then the remaining FIVE TALENTS are acquired instantly.

THIS IS HOW IMMORTALITY IS ACHIEVED.

If, however, one has not "done one's homework," and prepared adequately, one will die, despite having achieved EVERLASTING LIFE.

I was able to piece this together from the testimony of Anthropologist CARLOS CASTANEDA, who was so kind as to disclose the details of his NAGUALISM APPRENTICESHIP.

I noticed that his training took place across the first five Talents, and he was expected to attain the final five on his own.

[See: JOURNEY TO IXTLAN: The Lessons of Don Juan, by Carlos Castaneda (1973).
THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).
THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda (1993).
THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, by James Redfield (1993).]

This involved the ability to PROJECT or TRANSLATE himself into a Realm consistent with Heaven.

There were seventeen Schools, each with their own characteristic skill- such as CURING, DANCING, DREAMING, STALKING.

There was a man known only as THE TENANT, who had been their mentor since 1723. He had been born 3,000 years previously.

He was part of a Brujeria of powerful Toltec(?) Sorcerers, who had been offered a Deal, whereby they would be Raptured into a Heavenly Realm, so that they would not die.

They did not know how to attain EVERLASTING LIFE. If they got too near to attaining the Sixth Talent, they could die from It.

When they got to Heaven, they found that they were actually prisoners, not allowed to leave.

It took him 3,000 years to figure out how to escape. When he came to Earth, he could not sustain himself with ordinary food. He needed Human Life Force to remain young.

He found NAGUALS, trying to revive the Lost Knowledge of their forefathers- trying to find a way to combat Oyinbo Roman Catholic Christian Oppression.

He gave them Spiritual Gifts in exchange for a non-critical donation of their Life Force, every Generation, in order to prolong his life.

BassReeves:
Enoch died, his body returned to earth, his spirit returned back to God, while his soul is currently resting in Adam's bosom aka Paradise, awaiting Judgement Day, just as like every human being awaits that day.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 4:1-2.

NOW therefore hearken,
O Israel,
unto The Statutes
and unto The Judgments,
Which I teach you,
for to do (Them),
that ye may live,
and go in and possess the land
which The LORD God
of your Fathers giveth you.
2. Ye shall not add unto The Word
which I Command you,
neither shall ye diminish
(ought) from It,
that ye may keep
The Commandments
of The LORD your God
Which I Command you.

WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS CALLED "BLASPHEMY:" [YOU ADDED TO THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT WHAT WAS NOT THERE./i]

Who told you that ADAM had a "BOSOM?"

ABRAHAM'S BOSOM is a place where the Righteous go upon Death- according to JEWISH BELIEF- which is supposedly modeled upon the HEBREW Y'SRAELITE Religion.

[See: ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDICAEA.]

But according to Native American NAGUALISM, everyone who dies without attaining TOTAL RECALL is destroyed immediately, their Soul Body cut open to access It's Memory Data, and then torn apart by Spirit Beings harvesting its last Life Energies.

Only the Souls that die with TOTAL RECALL are able to form the AFTERLIFE BODY, and go to HEAVEN, PARADISE, or HELL.

I believe this Testimony because is consistent with The Bible. But without someone like Carlos Castaneda [i]seeing parts of the whole procedure, no Bible Scholar alive could have understood that interpretation.

[See: THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda (1987).]

BassReeves:
Matthew 10:28
'“And you shall not be afraid of those who kill the body that are not able to kill the soul;
rather be afraid of him who can destroy soul and body in Gehenna.”'

EVERY CREATURE BORN IS CONNECTED WITH A SPIRITUAL POWER LINE OF PACKETS OF LIVING ENERGY THAT FEED IT WITH LIFE, EVERY MOMENT OF ITS DAYS, IT IS IMPRINTED WITH THE CREATOR'S COMMANDS TO ITS KIND, ENABLING IT TO DO THE THINGS OF ITS KIND.

The condition of the Soul Body depends on how efficiently one adheres to these Commands and executes them.

If this is less than 100%, the Soul Body deteriorates, and becomes rigid and brittle, so that eventually, the impact of the Power keeping It alive cracks It open, so that Its contents disgorge- which is Death.

This LifeLine manifests an "Accountant-Entity" that requires an immediate TOTAL RECALL account of how the Life given the Soul was used.

If It falls to receive a complete, unbroken account, It cuts into the Soul Body, to extract the Data by Brute Force.

The Soul Body so treated is so critically damaged, It is unable to deploy Its AfterLife Spirit Energy Body, able to carry Its Mind, Memory, and Personality into Its AfterLife Destination- Heaven, Paradise, or Hell.

Only those who have made sure to attain TOTAL RECALL before their Death are assured of escaping this Destruction.

This is a simple, though tedious procedure, that takes less than a year of progressive work.

The presence of this Technique makes all the difference between a "REAL" Religion, as opposed to ones that are merely "made up."

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by Carlos Castaneda (1950).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).
THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda (1987).
THE SORCERER'S CROSSING, by Taisha Abelar (1992).
THE CELESTINE PROPHECY, by James Redfield (1993).]

THE HUMAN RACE IS PREYED UPON BY A SPECIES OF CREATURE THAT HAS ENTERED INTO AN ADVANCED STAGE OF SOUL BODY DETERIORATION: SUCH THAT THE USE OF THE HEAVENLY LIFE FEED WOULD QUICKLY KILL THEM.

They therefore close their Soul Bodies' "mouths," so that the impact of the Life Energy packets does not shatter them.

This leaves them with the problem of where to get Life Energy to Survive.

They are able to harvest the Spiritual Energy corrupted by Sin. Which resembles golden "dust."

"THE TENANT" emulated their technique, and so was able to greatly extend his LIFE- so long as he was able to find people capable of feeding him.

This was not ordinary Humans- whose Life Force is depleted to 1% of what it ought to be- but only NAGUAL-CLASS Adepts could supply what he needed.

He therefore survived on Earth, hiding from the Heavenly Jail Wardens, from the 18^th through 20^th Centuries, until Carlos Castaneda disrupted his Ritual, enabling him to steal EVERLASTING LIFE from one of his co-Apprentices, named CAROL TIGGS- who attained It accidentally when Don JUAN MATUS recruited her.

[See: THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1991).
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda (1998).]

BassReeves:
The reason why our Creator tells us that 'death' is a 'sleeping' is because a sleeping person is unconscious and is not aware of all what is happening around him or her, so it is with death, once a person crosses over to the land of dead, such dead person, is not aware of all what is happening around in the land of the living on earth, so effect such dead person is said to be 'sleeping'

The body dies, goes back to being dust, the spirit returns back to its Owner, with an intact record of the person's entire life, no matter how small or big it might be, while the soul, goes to the land of dead, which has two sections separated by a wide gulf or chasm. If you want me to elaborate more on this, please feel free and ask. Mind you take cognisance of the above verses, to see that its the soul, that is precious to everyone. God wants to have your soul saved from damnation and destruction, however Satan is working towards achieving the contrary

THE HEBREW Y'SRAELITE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO GOD BY AGE 13 (BAR/BAT MITZVAH), AND THEN SPEND THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, STUDYING THE SCRIPTURES IN GENERAL, AND THE TORAH IN PARTICULAR.

Theoretically, a Hebrew Y'sraelite should have acquired all seven Spirits of God by age 20, and been in full, SINLESS CONTROL of their Soul and Body by age 21.

In practice, this rarely, if ever, happened.

It is therefore ridiculous for a GENTILE to say that they "UNDERSTAND" The Scriptures.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "UNCONSCIOUSNESS:" A HOLY PERSON IS AWARE OF EVERYTHING AROUND THEM WHEN THEIR BODY SLEEPS.

Noah knew what Ham had done when he awoke. This is another "PARANORMAL ABILITY" James Randi pretends not to know about.

BassReeves:
Brah, absence of Bible passage evidence that says that Enoch died is not evidence that Enoch did not die (i.e. is not proof that Enoch did not experience physical death)

TIMOTHY'S EPISTLE TO THE HEBREWS IS NO MORE AUTHORITATIVE THAN ANY OTHER CHRISTIANS' WRITINGS: HE WAS JUST A MAN, ESTEEMED TO BE "INSPIRED BY GOD," THROUGH PURELY POLITICAL MEANS- WHICH INVOLVED THE LITERAL MURDER OF ANYONE WHO DISAGREED WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.

Just because TIMOTHY, Paul's Prize pupil said he knew things didn't mean he really knew what he was talking about.

Like the author of ECCLESIASTES- people elevated him to the status of a god, and hung on an interpretation of his claim to know what happens at Death, merely presuming that he knew what he was talking about.

EVERYONE MUST VERIFY THE TRUTH OF THE SPIRITUAL REALM FOR THEMSELVES.

Only fools trust others to tell them The Truth about their ETERNAL Destiny.

[CONTINUING:]

GOD SUMMONS HIS SONS TO ASSEMBLE BEFORE HIM IN HEAVEN, AS MANY AS THREE TIMES A YEAR.

[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 23:14-17.

14. "Three times thou shalt
keep a Feast unto Me in the year.
15. "Thou shalt keep
The Feast of Unleavened Bread:
[thou shalt eat Unleavened Bread
seven days,
as I Commanded thee,
in the time appointed
of the month Abib;
for in it thou camest out
from Egypt:
and none shall
appear before Me empty:]
16. "And The Feast of Harvest,
the firstfruits of thy labours,
which thou hast sown in the field:
and The Feast of Ingathering,
which is in the end of the year,
when thou hast gathered in
thy labours out of the field.
17. "Three times in the year
all thy males shall appear
before The Lord GOD."

IT EMERGES THAT GOING TO HEAVEN IS VERY EASY- IF YOU FORGET THE NONSENSE OYINBO ORGANIZED RELIGION TELLS US.

oaroloye:
All Bible Teaching are summarized as follows:

[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 25:31-46.

31. "When The Son of Man
shall come in his Glory,
and all the Holy Angels with him,
then shall he sit upon
The Throne of his Glory:
32. "And before him
shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate
them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth
his sheep from the goats:
33. "And he shall set the sheep
on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34. "Then shall the King say
unto them on his right hand,

'COME,
YE BLESSED OF MY FATHER,
INHERIT THE KINGDOM
PREPARED FOR YOU
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD:
35. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME DRINK:
I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME IN:
36. 'NAKED,
AND YE CLOTHED ME:
I WAS SICK,
AND YE VISITED ME:
I WAS IN PRISON,
AND YE CAME UNTO ME.'

37. Then shall the Righteous
answer him, saying,

'LORD, WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED,
AND FED THEE?
OR THIRSTY,
AND GAVE THEE DRINK?
38. 'WHEN SAW WE THEE
A STRANGER,
AND TOOK THEE IN?
OR NAKED,
AND CLOTHED THEE?
39. 'OR WHEN SAW WE THEE
SICK,
OR IN PRISON,
AND CAME UNTO THEE?'

40. "And the King shall answer
and say unto them,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE
MY BRETHREN,
YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ME." '

41. "Then shall he say also
unto them on the left hand,

'DEPART FROM ME,
YE CURSED,
INTO EVERLASTING FIRE,
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL
AND HIS ANGELS:
42. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME NO MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME NO DRINK:
43. 'I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME NOT IN:
NAKED, AND YE CLOTHED ME NOT:
SICK, AND IN PRISON,
AND YE VISITED ME NOT.'

44. "Then shall they also
answer him,
saying,

'LORD, WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED, OR ATHIRST,
OR A STRANGER, OR NAKED,
OR SICK, OR IN PRISON,
AND DID NOT MINISTER
UNTO THEE?'

45. "Then shall he answer them, saying,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE DID IT NOT
TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE,
YE DID IT NOT TO ME." '

46. "And these shall go away
into Everlasting Punishment:
but the Righteous into Life Eternal."

THE SOUL IS LIKE A BATTERY THAT STORES THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY THAT IS LIFE: THERE ARE FOUR LEVELS OF IT WITHIN A UNIVERSE LEVEL.

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color] REVELATION 22:11-12.

11. "He that is UNJUST,
let him be Unjust still:
and he which is FILTHY,
let him be Filthy still:
and he that is RIGHTEOUS,
let him be Righteous still:
and he that is HOLY,
let him be Holy still.
12. "And, behold,
I come quickly;
and my Reward is with me,
to give every man According
as his Work shall be."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together
unto him,
so that he went into a ship,
and sat;
and the whole multitude
stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a sower
went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds
fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell
upon stony places,
where they had
not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had
no deepness of earth:
6. "And when
the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had
no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell
among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell
into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou
unto them in Parables?"

11. He Answered and Said
unto them,

"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have
more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I
to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING
SEE NOT;
AND HEARING
THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY
UNDERSTAND.'

14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH
THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.
20. 'BUT HE THAT
RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.
22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 19:1-2.

AND The LORD
Spake unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto all
The Congregation of
The Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'YE SHALL BE HOLY:
FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD
(AM) HOLY."

The ISRAELITES were Commanded by God to live Holy Lives. A HOLY person can receive any sort of Miracle from God.

THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES OF PEOPLE, RANKED ACCORDING TO THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVELS.

Everyone has a DEFAULT SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVEL, which was determined by the MEAN of the Spiritual Energy Levels of the parents at the time of their Conception.

If both parents were HOLY, their child will be naturally HOLY- for life.

Spiritual Things will come effortlessly easy to them- easily understood, easily obtained, and easily executed.

But those whose parents are merely RIGHTEOUS, will find understanding, obtaining, and executing difficult, but not beyond their powers.

Those whose parents were FILTHY quickly believe the superficial aspects of The Word of God, but fail to understand, obtain, or execute anything that involves serious hardship.

But those whose parents were UNJUST have the worst of it- The Words of God can never make sense to THEM: they can NEVER understand, believe, receive, nor keep The Words of God.

IN THEORY, ANYONE CAN GO FROM LOWEST UNJUSTNESS TO HIGHEST HOLINESS.

It is debatable whether this has ever happened in Modern Protestant Christianity before. The Orthodox Monastic Celibates system will yield such fruits.

RECREATIONAL SEX is about the fastest way to reduce one's Spiritual Energy Level: during Sex, the Soul Bodies of each partner yields up a significant amount of Spiritual Energy in the attempt to create a new offspring; this happens, even when the creation of a new offspring is impossible.

Ignorance of this fact has caused temporarily Holy Brethren to lose all their Energy, and fall to their Default level, after getting married. They assumed that a mere Human Traditional Ceremony would enable them to supersede the Laws of Nature.

The Soul Body doesn't care about Human Legalisms: it operates by Divine Law.

God DECREED that the Soul operates that way, so the Soul operates that way.

In coming to God, a GENTILE must determine: "WHAT IS MY DEFAULT SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVEL?"

If it is not HOLINESS, they had best make it their priority to REMEDY THAT ASAP- or else failure will be inevitable.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to Record this Day
against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore Choose Life,

that both thou
and thy Seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love
The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey
His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy Days:

that thou mayest
dwell in the Land
Which The LORD Sware
unto thy Fathers,
to Abraham,
to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

[color=silver].[/color] 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

[color=silver].[/color]   AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO OFFER MILLION-DOLLAR BRIBES, AND ROAM ALL OVER THE WORLD, TO VERIFY THE PARANORMAL: A RIGHTEOUS MAN CAN VERIFY THE EXISTENCE OF THE PARANORMAL BY THEMSELVES.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

THE-TRUTH-THAT-MAKES-FREE IS THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

If you have those, you become free from ALL Bondages- even DEATH.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:42-53.

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

49. Jesus Answered,

"I have not a Devil;
but I honour my Father,
and ye do dishonour me.
50. "And I seek not
mine own Glory:
there is one that seeketh
and judgeth.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "

52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE HOLINESS AS THEIR GOAL HAVE NO CHANCE TO LOVE NOR TO UNDERSTAND MY TEACHINGS.

They even proudly tell me, that they did not bother to read all my "garbage" Teachings.

There are four categories of people:

4. SHEEP: who understand fully and effortlessly bear hundredfold fruits.

3. GOATS: who understand partially, and bear sparse fruits with effort.

2. PIGS: who believe instantly, but always fail to acquire actual fruit.

1. DOGS: who reject The Word of God- believing, receiving, and understanding NOTHING.

I have seen no evidence that anyone else here has even attained "PIG" level.

BassReeves:
Enoch died, his body returned to earth, his spirit returned back to God, while his soul is currently resting in Adam's bosom aka Paradise, awaiting Judgement Day, just as like every human being awaits that day.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 4:1-2.

NOW therefore hearken,
O Israel,
unto The Statutes
and unto The Judgments,
Which I teach you,
for to do (Them),
that ye may live,
and go in and possess the land
which The LORD God
of your Fathers giveth you.
2. Ye shall not add unto The Word
which I Command you,
neither shall ye diminish
(ought) from It,
that ye may keep
The Commandments
of The LORD your God
Which I Command you.

WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS CALLED "BLASPHEMY:" [YOU ADDED TO THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT WHAT WAS NOT THERE./i]

Your rhetoric is consistent with JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES^® Undercover Shills- should such exist.

[color=silver].[/color]   GENESIS 3:14-19.

14. And The LORD God Said
unto the Serpent,

"Because thou
hast done this,
thou art Cursed
above all Cattle,
and above every
Beast of the Field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life:
15. "And I will put Enmity
between thee and the Woman,
and between thy seed
and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel."

16. Unto the Woman He Said,

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt
bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be
to thy Husband,
and he shall rule over thee."

17. And unto Adam He Said,

"Because thou hast hearkened
unto the voice of thy wife,
and hast eaten of the Tree,
of which I Commanded thee,
Saying,

[i]'THOU SHALT NOT
EAT OF IT:'

Cursed is the Ground for thy sake;
in sorrow shalt thou eat of It
all the days of thy life;
18. "Thorns also and thistles
shall it bring forth to thee;
and thou shalt eat
The Herb of the Field;
19. "In the sweat of thy face
shalt thou eat bread,
till thou return unto the Ground;
for out of it wast thou taken:
for dust thou art,
and unto dust shalt thou return."

OYINBOS ARE EASILY THE LEAST SPIRITUAL PEOPLE ON EARTH, THEREFORE THEY COME TO STUPID INTERPRETATIONS OF THE BIBLE.

The Bible was written by SEERS: how can it possibly be understood by people who not only do not HAVE ESP- but they do not even believe that Extrasensory Perception EXISTS?

Carlos Castaneda saw into the Spiritual Realm, and saw rays of Spiritial Energy "condensing" into "dust;" then he saw snakelike Spirit Creatures feeding on this "dust."

Being a retarded Roman Catholic, he had no idea that practically everything that he saw corroborated The Bible.

I cannot think of anything he saw that js not in The Bible somewhere.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

BassReeves:
The reason why our Creator tells us that 'death' is a 'sleeping' is because a sleeping person is unconscious and is not aware of all what is happening around him or her, so it is with death, once a person crosses over to the land of dead, such dead person, is not aware of all what is happening around in the land of the living on earth, so effect such dead person is said to be 'sleeping'

IN SCIENTOLOGY, A COMMON SIDE-EFFECT OF CLEARING (THE ATTAINMENT OF TOTAL RECALL TO PRENATAL EXISTENCE,) IS "EXTERIORIZATION:" THIS IS 360° PERCEPTION.

Carlos Castaneda was taught to perceive his Physical Body from the outside, while sleeping.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda (1993).]

This is a very simple exercise.

(1) BEFORE SLEEPING, RESOLVE TO LOOK AT YOUR HANDS, WHATEVER IS GOING ON IN YOUR DREAMS.

(2) WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN YOUR HANDS, VIEW THE DREAM YOU ARE IN, WITHOUT FIXING ON ANYTHING- SCAN AROUND YOU.

Move yourself around by intending to move- not by walking or running as you would in the Normal World.

(3) WHEN YOU CAN VIEW AROUND YOU EASILY, DELIBERATELY GAZE AT THINGS, TO MAKE THEM CHANGE, THUS CHANGING YOUR DREAM INTO ANOTHER DREAM, WITHOUT WAKING UP.

(4) WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR DREAMS ENOUGH, YOU WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE ONE IN WHICH YOU SEE SOMEONE ASLEEP IN BED- WHO TURNS OUT TO BE YOU.

James Randi cannot say that he does not know about this.

WARNING! THIS EXERCISE CAN ABERRATE OR KILL YOU, IF YOU Bleep UP!

When you have reached this THE FOURTH GATE OF DREAMING, you do not, on any account interfere with your sleeping body! Turn away, and find something useful to do.

WHEN YOU GAZE AT OBJECTS IN YOUR DREAM TO CHANGE THEM, AND THEY DON'T CHANGE, WHEN THE DREAM CHANGES, THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DREAMING THEM.

These are INTRUDERS from OUTSIDE you.

They are SCOUTS serving Beings who want you to follow them to their Worlds, where they will tell you or show you anything to get you to stay in their Realm.

All they need is your VERBAL ASSENT.

Words are very powerful in that Realm.

You must be careful what you say.

[ NOWHERE NEAR CONCLUDED!]

[CONTINUING:]

BassReeves:
The body dies, goes back to being dust, the spirit returns back to its Owner, with an intact record of the person's entire life, no matter how small or big it might be, while the soul, goes to the land of dead, which has two sections separated by a wide gulf or chasm. If you want me to elaborate more on this, please feel free and ask. Mind you take cognisance of the above verses, to see that its the soul, that is precious to everyone. God wants to have your soul saved from damnation and destruction, however Satan is working towards achieving the contrary

THE SOULS OF MOST SINNERS ARE EATEN BY THE DEVILS.

The Life Energy of Consciousness is eaten by "THE EAGLE SPIRIT MONSTER" that LIFE apparently emanates from.

This is a Spiritual Fact.

Even the NAGUALS say that their Vision of THE EAGLE cannot be correct- because one is not supposed to see recognizable objects at that level.

The Native Americans called It that, because that is what It most resembles.

It is understood by those who know anything, that It is not an actual Eagle, and Eagles have little or nothing in common with It, besides the shape.

oaroloye:
There are FOUR CATEGORIES OF AWARENESS.

1. ANIMAL AWARENESS: Animals reduce their vibrations to match those of the Environment, in order to perceive It.

2. THE FIRST ATTENTION: This is the Awareness of THE NATURAL MAN- who knows NOTHING about the SUPERNATURAL. Cannot even CONCEIVE of it. Not even in their DREAMS. It is like a GLASS CEILING holds them back from that Awareness.

[color=silver].[/color] 1^st CORINTHIANS 2:14.

14. But the Natural Man
receiveth not the Things
of the Spirit of God:
for they are
Foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them,
because they are
spiritually discerned.

PAUL FAILS TO MENTION THAT THE PURPOSE OF HIS TEACHINGS IS TO REDUCE CHRISTIANS TO THAT STATE....

3. THE SECOND ATTENTION: The Awareness of THE MORTAL SPIRITUAL MAN.

All things that live are fed by Living Energy that comes to the Earth through seven Realms collectively called HEAVEN.

All things that Exist are made of Living Data, that look like fibres of Living Light. These would be THE WORDS OF GOD. Attempts to analyze them deeply KILLS MORTAL SEERS on the spot.

These light fibres never occur alone, but form CLUSTERS which are group together to form BANDS. Bands are grouped into GREAT BANDS.

The whole Earth is made up of BANDS of Spiritual Energy. These Bands occur in association with one another, called GREAT BANDS.

This Life Energy has three types consistent with Plants, with Insects, and with Animals.

BANDS contained in rigid containers called RECEPTACLES make specific "Non-Living" OBJECTS.

BAND contained in flexible containers called COCOONS make specific LIVING THINGS.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

FORTY GREAT SPIRITUAL ENERGY BANDS feed "Non-Living" structures in the Earth.

[color=silver].[/color] THE 40 LEVELS OF AWARENESS.

40. SERENITY
30. POSTULATES
22. GAMES
20. ACTION
8.0 EXHILARATION
6.0 AESTHETICS

4.0 ENTHUSIASM
3.5 CHEERFULNESS
3.0 CONSERVATION
2.5 BOREDOM

2.0 OVERT HOSTILITY
1.8 PAIN
1.5 ANGER
1.4 HATE
1.2 NO SYMPATHY
1.1 COVERT HOSTILITY
1.0 FEAR
0.9 SYMPATHY
0.5 GRIEF
0.1 APATHY
0.0 BODY DEATH.

[color=silver].[/color] THE EIGHT DYNAMICS.

1. SELF; 2. FAMILY; 3. GROUPS; 4. ALL MANKIND; 5. ALL LIVING THINGS; 6. THE MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time - PHYSICAL) UNIVERSE; 7. SPIRITS; 8. GOD.

[color=silver].[/color] AWARENESS LEVELS REQUIRED TO COMMAND THE DYNAMICS.

8. SELF; 12. GROUPS; 15. ALL MANKIND; 22. MEST UNIVERSE; 32. SPIRITS; 40. GOD.

[color=silver].[/color] THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. POSTULATES; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).
SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard (1970).
THE DYNAMICS & TONE SCALE, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

ONCE THE DOORWAY OF BELIEF IS OPENED, ONE ENTERS INTO A DIFFERENT WORLD!

[color=silver].[/color] DIANETICS AXIOM 119. L. Ron Hubbard.

119. Agreement with any Source- contra or prosurvival,
Postulates a New Reality for the Organism.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 13:44-53.

44. "Again,
The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto Treasure hid in a field;
the which when a man hath found,
he hideth,
and for joy thereof
goeth and selleth all that he hath,
and buyeth that field.
45. "Again,
The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a merchant man,
seeking goodly pearls:
46. "Who, when he had found
one Pearl of Great Price,
went and sold all that he had,
and bought it.
47. "Again,
The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a Net,
that was cast into the Sea,
and gathered of every kind:
48. "Which, when it was full,
they drew to shore,
and sat down,
and gathered the Good into vessels,
but cast the Bad away.
49. "So shall it be
at the End of the World:
The Angels shall come forth,
and sever the Wicked
from among the Just,
50. "And shall cast them
into The Furnace of Fire:
there shall be wailing
and gnashing of teeth."

51. Jesus Saith unto them,

"Have ye understood
all these things?"

They say unto him,

"Yea, Lord."

52. Then Said he unto them,

"Therefore every scribe
which is instructed
unto The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a man
that is an householder,
which bringeth forth
out of his Treasure
things New and Old."

53. And it came to pass,
that when Jesus had
finished these Parables,
he departed thence.

THE KOSHER/TREYF LAW IS BASIC TRAINING OF TRUE DISCERNMENT ABILITY.

THE GOSPEL is worth any sacrifice, because it gets you THIS:

[color=silver].[/color] THE TEN TALENTS. (Matthew 25:1-46.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.

4. THE THIRD ATTENTION: The

Awareness of IMMORTAL Spiritual Men.

At some point, those who attain High Spirituality become aware of a LIMITATION to their Powers- Things that can DESTROY even their SOUL BODY, if they attempt to see them.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:30-32.

30. As he Spake these Words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
(then) are ye my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall know The Truth,
and The Truth shall make you Free."

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:51-53.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER SEE DEATH.'

52. Then said the Jews unto him,
"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
And the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

THE OBEDIENCE OF YESHUA'S TEACHINGS BUILDS UP HOLINESS TO THE POINT THAT THE TALENTS ARE ENABLED, ONE-BY-ONE. Then, LITERAL IMMORTALITY IS ACHIEVED.

6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

The OYINBOS could not achieve this, because they have NEVER CONTINUED in Yeshua's Word.

Therefore, they could NEVER achieve THE-TRUTH-THAT-MAKES-FREE.

[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 33:17-20.

17. And The LORD
Said unto Moses,

"I will do this thing also
that thou hast spoken:
for thou hast found Grace
in My Sight,
and I know thee by Name."

18. And he said,

"I beseech Thee,
shew me Thy Glory."

19. And He Said,

"I will make
all My Goodness
pass before thee,
and I will proclaim
The Name of The LORD
before thee;
and will be Gracious
to whom I will be Gracious,
and will shew Mercy
on whom I will shew Mercy."

20. And He Said,

"Thou canst not
see My Face:
for there shall
no man see Me,
and live."

THAT IS KNOWLEDGE THAT CANNOT BE SAFELY PERCEIVED BY MORTAL BEINGS, BECAUSE THE MERE ACT OF PERCEIVING IT CAUSES SPIRITUAL, MENTAL, AND BODILY INJURY AND EVEN DEATH.

Whereas, armed with It, there is no confinement that can hold one.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

BassReeves:
Brah, absence of Bible passage evidence that says that Enoch died is not evidence that Enoch did not die (i.e. is not proof that Enoch did not experience physical death)

Brah, with the utmost respect, Hebrews does not very specifically says Enoch did not die.

There different things here. It's one thing, not to see death, but its a different thing to taste death (i.e. to die)

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT TIMOTHY SAID ABOUT DEATH, BECAUSE HE WAS DECEIVED BY PAUL.

BassReeves:
It seems to me most strange that men should fear, seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.

ONLY A FOOL DOES NOT FEAR DYING- IT IS A TOTAL FAILURE.

William Shakespeare was a FALSE CHRISTIAN, being active as a PlayWright from 1582-1613: that meant that he could not have opposed England's involvement in THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE (begun in 1563).

[color=silver].[/color] NUMBERS 6:6-7.

6. "All the days
that he separateth (himself)
unto The LORD
he shall come at no dead body.
7. "He shall not make himself unclean
for his father, or for his mother,
for his brother, or for his sister,
when they die:
because The Consecration
of his God (is) upon his head."

A HOLY PERSON IS NOT ALLOWED TO SEE ANYONE DEAD.

Therefore, when people brought dead people to Lord Yeshua, he Raised them from the Dead.

To fail to Raise the Dead would be a failure of HOLINESS. It would be like a Starving, Naked, Sick Beggar came to you for HELP- and you turned them away, without doing anything for them.

BassReeves:
Brah, Hebrew 11:5, states that Enoch was translated that he should not see death. The verse does not say that Enoch did not die, does not say Enoch did not taste death, but only said he did not see death, and so this makes me re-ask the question again and I humbly hope you'll sincerely, honestly and truthfully answer, which is:
What specific death was Enoch taken away not to see?

ATHEISTIC UNBELIEVERS NEVER BELIEVE THAT BIBLE AUTHORS AND CHARACTERS CAN DO THINGS THEY CANNOT, THEREFORE, THEY HAVE TO FALSIFY EVERYTHING THE BIBLE HAS TO TELL THEM.

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 5:21-24.

21. And Enoch lived
sixty and five years,
and begat Methuselah:
22. And Enoch walked with God
after he begat Methuselah
three hundred years,
and begat sons and daughters:
23. And all the days of Enoch
were three hundred sixty and five years:
24. And Enoch walked with God:
and he was not;
for God took him.

YOU HATE GOD, AND THE WORD OF GOD- THEREFORE YOU WOULD NEVER THINK OF READING THE ORIGINAL REFERENCE FOR YOURSELF.

[color=silver].[/color] JASHER 3:27-38.

27. And at that time
the sons of men were with Enoch,
and Enoch was speaking to them,
and they lifted up their eyes
and the likeness of a great horse
descended from Heaven,
and the horse paced in the air;
28. And they told Enoch
what they had seen,
and Enoch said to them,

"On my account does this horse
descend upon Earth;
the time is come
when I must go from you
and I shall no more be seen by you."

29. And the horse descended
at that time and stood before Enoch,
and all the sons of men
that were with Enoch saw him.
30. And Enoch then again
ordered a voice to be proclaimed,
saying,

"WHERE IS THE MAN
WHO DELIGHTETH TO KNOW
THE WAYS OF THE LORD HIS GOD,
LET HIM COME THIS DAY TO ENOCH
BEFORE HE IS TAKEN FROM US."

31. And all the sons of men
assembled and came to Enoch
that day;
and all the kings of the Earth
with their princes and counsellors
remained with him that day;
and Enoch then taught
the sons of men Wisdom and Knowledge,
and gave them Divine Instruction;
and he bade them serve The LORD
and walk in His Ways
all the days of their lives,
and he continued
to make peace amongst them.
32. And it was after this
that he rose up
and rode upon the horse;
and he went forth
and all the sons of men
went after him,
about eight hundred thousand men;
and they went with him
one day's journey.
33. And the second day
he said to them,

"Return home to your tents,
why will you go?
Perhaps you may die;"

and some of them went from him,
and those that remained
went with him six day's journey;
and Enoch said to them every day,

"Return to your tents,
lest you may die;"

but they were not willing to return,
and they went with him.
34. And on the sixth day
some of the men remained
and clung to him,
and they said to him,

"We will go with thee to the place
where thou goest;
as The LORD liveth,
Death only shall separate us."

35. And they urged so much
to go with him,
that he ceased speaking to them;
and they went after him
and would not return;
36. And when the kings returned
they caused a census to be taken,
in order to know the number
of remaining men that went with Enoch;
and it was upon the seventh day
that Enoch Ascended into Heaven
in a Whirlwind,
with Horses and Chariots of Fire.
37. And on the eighth day
all the kings that had been with Enoch
sent to bring back the number of men
that were with Enoch,
in that place from which
he Ascended into Heaven.
38. And all those kings
went to the place
and they found the earth
there filled with snow,
and upon the snow
were large stones of snow,
and one said to the other,

"Come,
let us break through the snow
and see,
perhaps the men
that remained with Enoch are dead,
and are now under the stones of snow,"

and they searched but could not find him,
for he had ascended into Heaven.

BassReeves:
Let me ask you another easy, simple, innocent, harmless, not intimidating and straightforward question, which is:
How were Moses and Elijah perceived by Jesus' three closest followers (i.e. Peter, James and John)? Was it in the form of a physical appearance or in form of a vision?

WHEN L. RON HUBBARD CAME TO AFRICA FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE WAS WARNED: "YOU'LL GET ALONG FINE, SO LONG AS YOU DON'T ASK THEM TO DO SOMETHING THEY CAN'T DO- THEN THEY'LL GO SURLY ON YOU!"

[See: RHODESIA, by L. Ron Hubbard (1966?).]

I was surprised to learn locally-raised Africans do not well tolerate being made to think and act in ways they were never accustomed-to. "Outside-the-box."

There are Folklore Stories that illustrate this belief, that anyone introducing New Knowledge or Techniques can ONLY be doing so to CHEAT those whom they are teaching. That they can NEVER be doing so to help those whom they are Teaching.

They prefer to FAIL, doing things the old way, than try a new way, that MIGHT succeed.

IT IS NOTHING TO OYINBOS TO IDENTIFY SOMEONE FROM THEIR VERBAL DESCRIPTION ALONE- THE IDEA THAT THE Y'SRAELITES COULD IDENTIFY ALL OF THE PROPHETS WITHOUT PICTURES, WOULD NOT FAZE AN OYINBO.

Police routinely employed artists to draw the images of fugitive suspects from the verbal descriptions of the eyewitnesses.

These Y'sraelites were all descendants of the people who met the Prophets.

If they saw Moses with that his staff, and Eliyah in his miniskirt, TRANSLATE out of nowhere, they should not be true sons of their fathers, if they should have had to ask: "WHO THE Bleep ARE THEY??"

In NAGUALISM, The Voice of Seeing identifies what you are seeing.

I know for a fact that this exists, because I have heard it myself.

BassReeves:
If Peter, James and John in their lives prior to that moment have never met either Moses and Elijah, how did they know and recognise them without any form of introduction?

Brah, please stop using the same God yardstick for measuring puny mortal human beings

ATHEISM IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MENTAL DISEASE CALLED "ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER."

Their Minds cannot process sequential facts. By the time they are supposed to add them up to learn New Knowledge, they fall short, because they have forgotten things that were clearly explained earlier.

CEPHAS, YOCHANNAN, AND YACUB- were not "puny Human Beings," but the three most Spiritually-powerful men on Earth, besides Lord Yeshua himself.

They could do everything he could do.

How ignorant you are, for not knowing that!

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 16:13-20.

13. When Jesus came
into the coasts of
Caesarea Philippi,
he asked his Disciples,
Saying,

"Whom do men say that I
The Son of Man am?"

14. And they said,

"Some say that thou
art John the Baptist:
some, Elias;
and others, Jeremias,
or one of the Prophets."

15. He Saith unto them,

"But whom say ye
that I am?"

16. And Simon Peter
answered and said,

"Thou art the Christ,
The Son of The Living God."

17. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Blessed art thou,
Simon Barjona:
for Flesh and Blood hath not
Revealed It unto thee,
but my Father
Which is in Heaven.
18. "And I Say also unto thee,

'THAT THOU ART PETER,
AND UPON UPON THIS ROCK
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH;
AND THE GATES OF HELL
SHALL NOT PREVAIL IT.'

19. "And I will give unto thee
The Keys of
The Kingdom of Heaven:
and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on Earth
shall be bound in Heaven:
and whatsoever
thou shalt loose on Earth
shall be loosed in Heaven."

20. Then charged he
his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

HOW DID CEPHAS KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA WAS THE CHRIST? DO YOU KNOW?

GOD Told him!

Lord Yeshua said that THIS is The Rock HIS CHURCH was to be founded on.

GOD TEACHING CONVERTS WHO HE WAS.

Not men!

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 24:1-5.

AND Jesus went out,
and departed from the Temple:
and his Disciples came to him
for to shew him the Buildings
of The Temple.
2. And Jesus Said unto them,

"See ye not all these things?
Verily I Say unto you,

'THERE SHALL NOT
BE LEFT HERE
ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER
THAT SHALL NOT BE
THROWN DOWN.'

3. And as he sat upon
the mount of Olives,
the Disciples came
unto him privately,
saying,

"Tell us,
when shall these things be?
And what shall be
The Sign of thy Coming,
and of The End of the World?"

4. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto them,

"Take heed
that no man deceive you.
5. "For many shall come
in my Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many."

. JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

[CONCLUDING:]

BassReeves:
If Peter, James and John in their lives prior to that moment have never met either Moses and Elijah, how did they know and recognise them without any form of introduction?

Brah, please stop using the same God yardstick for measuring puny mortal human beings

ATHEISM IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MENTAL DISEASE CALLED "ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER."

Their Minds cannot process sequential facts. By the time they are supposed to add them up to learn New Knowledge, they fall short, because they have forgotten things that were clearly explained earlier.

CEPHAS, YOCHANNAN, AND YACUB- were not "puny Human Beings," but the three most Spiritually-powerful men on Earth, besides Lord Yeshua himself.

They could do everything he could do.

How ignorant you are, for not knowing that!

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 16:13-20.

13. When Jesus came
into the coasts of
Caesarea Philippi,
he asked his Disciples,
Saying,

"Whom do men say that I
The Son of Man am?"

14. And they said,

"Some say that thou
art John the Baptist:
some, Elias;
and others, Jeremias,
or one of the Prophets."

15. He Saith unto them,

"But whom say ye
that I am?"

16. And Simon Peter
answered and said,

"Thou art the Christ,
The Son of The Living God."

17. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Blessed art thou,
Simon Barjona:
for Flesh and Blood hath not
Revealed It unto thee,
but my Father
Which is in Heaven.
18. "And I Say also unto thee,

'THAT THOU ART PETER,
AND UPON UPON THIS ROCK
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH;
AND THE GATES OF HELL
SHALL NOT PREVAIL IT.'

19. "And I will give unto thee
The Keys of
The Kingdom of Heaven:
and whatsoever
thou shalt bind on Earth
shall be bound in Heaven:
and whatsoever
thou shalt loose on Earth
shall be loosed in Heaven."

20. Then charged he
his Disciples
that they should tell no man
that he was Jesus The Christ.

HOW DID CEPHAS KNOW THAT LORD YESHUA WAS THE CHRIST? DO YOU KNOW?

GOD Told him!

Lord Yeshua said that THIS is The Rock HIS CHURCH was to be founded on.

GOD TEACHING CONVERTS WHO HE WAS.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 24:1-5.

AND Jesus went out,
and departed from the Temple:
and his Disciples came to him
for to shew him the Buildings
of The Temple.
2. And Jesus Said unto them,

"See ye not all these things?
Verily I Say unto you,

'THERE SHALL NOT
BE LEFT HERE
ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER
THAT SHALL NOT BE
THROWN DOWN.'

3. And as he sat upon
the mount of Olives,
the Disciples came
unto him privately,
saying,

"Tell us,
when shall these things be?
And what shall be
The Sign of thy Coming,
and of The End of the World?"

4. And Jesus Answered
and Said unto them,

"Take heed
that no man deceive you.
5. "For many shall come
in my Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many."

. JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then
murmured at Him,
because he Said,

“I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN.”

42. And they said,

“Is not this Jesus,
the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother
we know?
How is it then that he Saith,

‘I CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’

Every man therefore
that hath heard
and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

BassReeves:
Is Jesus, God or Jesus isnt God?

LORD YESHUA NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD: IT IS THE FATHER'S PREROGATIVE TO EXPLAIN WHO HIS SON IS.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 11:25-30.

25. At that time Jesus Answered
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
because thou hast hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes.
26. "Even so, Father:
for so it seemed good in Thy Sight.
27. "All things are delivered unto me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth The Son,
but The Father;
neither knoweth any man The Father,
save The Son,
and he to whomsoever The Son
will reveal him.
28. "Come unto me,
all ye that labour
and are heavy laden,
and I will give you rest.
29. "Take my Yoke upon you,
and learn of me;
for I am meek and lowly in heart:
and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30. "For my Yoke is easy,
and my burden is light."

THOSE IDIOTS RUNNING AROUND, INFLATING LORD YESHUA'S ATTRIBUTES LIKE A DIRIGIBLE, ARE ALWAYS DECEIVERS!

Lord Yeshua NEVER sent anyone to tell men that he was GOD, THE MESSIAH, or ANGEL MICHAEL, or anything.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 8:30.

30. And he charged them
that they should
tell no man of him.

NO RACE IS FUNNIER THAN THE OYINBOS- THEY DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO EXPEL GOD FROM THEIR LIVES- AND THEN WONDER WHY THEY CANNOT FIND GOD IN THEIR LIVES!

BassReeves:
Is it within God's power to be in Heaven and on Earth at the same time?

WHAT IS YOUR POINT ASKING THESE STUPID QUESTIONS? CARLOS CASTANEDA WAS SHOWN HOW TO MANIFEST HIMSELF IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME ROOM.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

BassReeves:
Need I say more? Need I continue?

Genesis 2:7
'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'

C'mon look at you talking this way.
Do human beings 100% obey every command of God?
Guess your answer will be No, and thats likely because you know that the art of snitching is all down to having the gift of freewill (i.e. freedom to do as you like)

ONE OF THE OYINBO DIRTY TRICKS IS TO CHANGE THE TERMS OF AN ARGUMENT TO CONTROL IT.

There is no Commandment:

"THOU SHALT HAVE FREE WILL!"

Nor Promise: "I GIVE THEE FREE WILL!"

But once Oyinbo has tricked you into Pasting that Satanic Concept into The Holy Bible, It will no longer make sense.

[color=silver].[/color]   DIANETICS LOGICS 5-15.

5. A definition of terms
is necessary to the Alignment,
Statement and Resolution of Suppositions,
Observations, Problems and Solutions
and their Communication.

Definition - DESCRIPTIVE DEFINITION: one
which classifies by characteristics,
by describing existing states of Being.

Definition - DIFFERENTIATIVE DEFINITION: one
which Compares unlikeness
to existing states of Being or Not-Being.

Definition - ASSOCIATIVE DEFINITION: one
which declares Likeness
to existing states of Being or not Being.

Definition - ACTION DEFINITION: one
which delineates Cause and Potential Change
of State of Being by cause of Existence,
Inexistence, Action, Inaction,
Purpose or Lack of Purpose.

6. Absolutes are unobtainable.

7. Gradient scales are necessary
to the evaluation of
Problems and their data.

Corollary - Any datum has only relative Truth.

Corollary - Truth is relative to
Environments, Experience and Truth.

8. A datum can be
evaluated only by a datum
of Comparable Magnitude.

9. A datum is as valuable
as it has been evaluated.

10. The value of a datum
is established by
the amount of Alignment (Relationship)
it imparts to other data.

11. The value of a datum
or field of data
can be established by
its degree of assistance
in Survival
or its inhibition to Survival.

12. The value of a datum
or a field of data
is modified by
the viewpoint of the Observer.

13. Problems are resolved
by compartmenting them
into Areas of similar
magnitude and data,
comparing them to data
already known
or partially known,
and Resolving each Area.
Data which cannot
be known immediately
may be resolved by addressing
what is Known
and using its Solution
to resolve the Remainder.

14. Factors introduced
into a Problem or Solution
which do not derive
from Natural Law,
but only
Authoritarian Command
aberrate that Problem
or Solution.

15. The Introduction
of an Arbitrary
into a Problem or Solution
invites the further
Introduction of Arbitraries
into Problems and Solutions.

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard (1970).]

LORD YESHUA ELIMINATED ALL THOSE NONSENSE QUESTIONS.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 25:11-19.

11. When men strive together
one with another,
and the wife of the one
draweth near
for to deliver her husband
out of the hand of him
that smiteth him,
and putteth forth her hand,
and taketh him by the secrets:
12. Then thou shalt
cut off her hand,
thine eye shall not pity her.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be lengthened
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an abomination
unto The LORD thy God.

17. Remember what Amalek
did unto thee by the way,
when ye were come forth
out of Egypt;
18. How he met thee
by the way,
and smote
the hindmost of thee,
even all that were feeble
behind thee,
when thou wast
faint and weary;
and he feared not God.
19. Therefore it shall be,
when the LORD thy God
hath given thee rest
from all thine enemies
round about,
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee
for an inheritance
to possess it,
that thou shalt blot out
the Remembrance of Amalek
from under Heaven;
thou shalt not forget it.

[color=silver].[/color]    MATTHEW 18:1-14.

AT the same time came
the Disciples unto Jesus,
saying,

"Who is the greatest
in The Kingdom of Heaven?"

2. And Jesus Called
a little child unto him,
and set him
in the midst of them,
3. And Said,

"Verily I Say unto you,

'EXCEPT YE
BE CONVERTED,
AND BECOME
AS LITTLE CHILDREN,
YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.'

4. "Whosoever therefore
shall humble himself
as this little child,
the same is greatest
in The Kingdom of Heaven.
5. "And whoso shall receive
one such little child
in my Name receiveth me.
6. "But whoso shall offend
one of these little ones
which believe in me,
it were better for him
that a millstone
were hanged about his neck,
and that he were drowned
in the Depth of the Sea.
7. "Woe unto the World
because of Offences!
For it must needs be
that Offences come;
but woe to that man
by whom the Offence cometh!
8. "Wherefore if thy hand
or thy foot offend thee,
cut them off,
and cast them from thee:
it is better for thee
to enter into life
halt or maimed,
rather than having
two hands or two feet
to be cast into Everlasting Fire.
9. "And if thine eye offend thee,
pluck it out,
and cast it from thee:
it is better for thee
to enter into life
with one eye,
rather than having two eyes
to be cast into Hell Fire.

10. "Take heed that ye
despise not one
of these little ones;
for I Say unto you,

'THAT IN HEAVEN
THEIR ANGELS DO ALWAYS
BEHOLD THE FACE
OF MY FATHER
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'

11. "For The Son of Man
is come to Save
that which was Lost.

12. "How think ye?
If a man have
an hundred sheep,
and one of them
be gone astray,
doth he not leave
the ninety and nine,
and goeth into the mountains,
and seeketh that
which is gone astray?
13. "And if so be
that he find it,
verily I Say unto you,

'HE REJOICETH
MORE OF THAT SHEEP
THAN OF
THE NINETY AND NINE
WHICH WENT
NOT ASTRAY.'

14. "Even so it is not
The Will of your Father
Which is in Heaven,
that one of these little ones
should perish."

IF GOD IS YOUR MASTER, YOU OBEY HIM AND LIVE- SACRIFICE WHATEVER PART OF YOU YOU FEEL YOU CANNOT CONTROL, TO KEEP FROM SINNING.[i]

Aramaic Language authority, GEORGE LAMSA said in his MATTHEW 18 footnote:

"PLUCK OUT YOUR EYE" meant "STOP COVETING!"

"CUT OFF YOUR HAND" meant "STOP STEALING!"

"CUT OFF YOUR FOOT" meant "STOP COMMITTING ADULTERY!"

If you resolve to do these, your willingness to commit Sin reduces to zero.

BassReeves:
Man, fundamentally is a soul, enrobed in a bodysuit or dust vestment

It is the bodysuit, that makes a soul a man, makes a soul a human being. It is why our Lord and Saviour of the world, adopted the title Son of man, (i.e. male offspring of a human being)

[i]ANOTHER IGNORANT STATEMENT! MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY ARE ATTRIBUTES OF THE SOUL, NOT OF THE BODY AT ALL!

You could not possibly know this, because you are not a SEER.

At the Penultimate ESP Level of Perception, nothing looks like it does in Normal Vision: living things look like eggs with a Glow in them, indicating the position of their Awareness, and that they are alive.

In Humans, this egg is the size of a person with arms outstretched, while the Glow of Awareness is the size of a Tennis Ball, usually positioned two feet beyond the right shoulder-blade.

Awareness changes as its position changes- and this is either easy to do, or impossible.

If the Glow of Awareness moves upward, we become Wiser. If inward, toward our core, The Talents activate.

The Glow of Awareness has a shiny side, and a dull side. In females, the shiny side faces outward, while in males, the shiny side faces inward.

If the orientation can be reversed, the gender of the person changes.

If the shiny side facing outside is made to face inwards, the former woman will change immediately into a man.

If the dull side facing outward is made to face inward, the former man will become a woman, instantly.

The change is physiological in all regards.

Transformed male or female will have all the organs expected.

Only a SEER can tell that something weird is going on with their Soul-Body.

THIS IS HOW THE TOLTEC SORCERER CALLED THE TENANT ESCAPED DROM IMPRISONMENT IN "HEAVEN."

The World he was imprisoned on did not want females.

After 3,000 years, he figured out how to change himself into a woman- and the World immediately expelled him- allowing him to escape to the Earth.

BassReeves:
John 3:9-13
'9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be possible?”
10Jesus replied, “You are the [great and well-known] teacher of Israel, and yet you do not know nor understand these things [from Scripture]?
11I assure you and most solemnly say to you, we speak only of what we [absolutely] know and testify about what we have [actually] seen [as eyewitnesses]; and [still] you [reject our evidence and] do not accept our testimony.
12If I told you earthly things [that is, things that happen right here on earth] and you do not believe, how will you believe and trust Me if I tell you heavenly things?
13No one has gone up into heaven, but there is One who came down from heaven, the Son of Man [Himself--whose home is in heaven]'

THE SEPTUAGINT WAS AN EARLY ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SCRIPTURES TO FIT THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRANSLATORS- THIS MISINTERPRETATION IS BASED ON IGNORANCE OF THE ARAMAIC ORIGINAL LANGUAGE.

In NORTHERN ARAMAIC, Born Again means "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." Nicodemus spoke Southern Aramaic- that is why he did not understand what Lord Yeshua was saying.

In SCIENTOLOGY, the PreClear has to RETURN TO THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB, to find the KEY MEMORY of ERROR being forced into their Mind.

BassReeves:
Enoch had no state or quality of being divine, and so was not immortal. Meaning that Enoch died, his body returned to earth, his spirit returned back to God, while his soul is currently resting in Adam's bosom aka Paradise, awaiting Judgement Day, just as like every human being awaits that day.

WICKED PEOPLE LIE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE, AND CARE NOTHING ABOUT THE SOULS DESTROYED FOR THEIR VANITY!

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 3:22-24.[u]

22. And The LORD God Said,

"Behold,
the Man is become
as one of us,
to know Good and Evil:
and now,
lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of The Tree of Life,
and eat,
and live for ever:"

23. Therefore The LORD God
sent him forth
from The Garden of Eden,
to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
24. So He drove out the Man;
and he placed at
the East of the Garden of Eden
Cherubims,
and a flaming sword
which turned every way,
to keep The Way
of The Tree of Life.

[color=silver].[/color] [u]REVELATION 22:14.

14. Blessed are they
that do His Commandments,
that they may have Right
to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in
through The Gates
into The City.

THIS IS HOW OYINBOS REASON- ENOCH GOES TO WHERE THERE IS NO SICKNESS, NOR DISEASE- TO MEET THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE.

What is he going to do in Heaven?

"Die!"

Commonsense is not common in Europe nor America. Africans are not going to corner the Market any time soon, either.

WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE THAT GOD COULDN'T HAVE GIVEN HIM FRUIT OF THE TREE OF LIFE?

Image123:
The atheist has defined god with no example. God doesn't fit into his definition, therefore there is no God.

YOU SEE, THIS IS HOW SOME OF YOU PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEBATE! HOW CAN YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENT, WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED THE OPPOSITION IN YOUR PREAMBLE?

Dtruthspeaker:
Enoch and Elijah did not die at all.

THE OPPOSITION IS DEAD- WHY ARE YOU STILL SHOOTING?

Dtruthspeaker:
I think this is off topic for the issue is After Life! Re Enoch and Elijah.

He has to be put in another clean environment of which by the words "brimming Full" the earth is automatically disqualified already.

Besides, when Philip was taken, we were clearly told where he was dropped on the earth. When Christ came back from "Travel to After Life", we were clearly told when he came back to earth until his next departure from the earth, to which we are told that "He'll be back!"

So, if Enoch and Elijah were returned to the earth, the Bible would have told us so.

TRYING TO REASON WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT REASONABLE.

What could possibly go wrong?

Dtruthspeaker:
The point here is, you agree with me on Afterlife, which is what the thread is about.

NO HUMAN CAN TRANSLATE BEYOND THIRD HEAVEN, BECAUSE THEIR SPIRIT ENERGY IS DEPLETED.

Either they accept Energy from the Denizens of the Heaven- in which case they cannot be allowed to return to the Earth.

Or, they must transform into a lower lifeform, to save Spiritual Energy.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Maker of Enoch and Elijah Exercised His Right to Determine that they shall not Die.

WHEN THE GLOW OF AWARENESS IS MOVED BELOW ITS NORMAL POSITION, HUMANS IMMEDIATELY SHAPEHIFT INTO LOWER LIFEFORMS- ANIMALS, INSECTS, EVEN PLANTS- THAT IS WHAT NAGUALISM IS ABOUT IN ORDER TO SAVE ENERGY TO EXIST BEYOND THIRD HEAVEN.

The Bible specifically says that that is what happened to Moses and Eliyah.

[CONCLUDED.]