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basilico:
I think its only the US that still continuing evacuations from Sunday .
There will be people left under the mercy of the Taliban.
Turkey will be stationed at the airport in a tech support role.
US will help Taliban to search for ISIS-K and probably bomb them too.

You are right.

Good write up. The author skips one detail.
Both want extreme implementation of the sharia law.
The difference with ISIS-K is that it is a province of ISIS , had pledged allegiance to the Caliph .Its goal was to acquire territory directly under one caliph or leader .The ultimate goal of the IS is to subject the whole world under Islam.Via war.
Taliban also seeks an Islamic state where the laws of Allah are supreme.The leaders want power using religion as the basis of holding leadership.Taliban is content with holding Afghanistan only and harbouring those who want to fight 'infidels' rest of the world excluding Afghanistan.
ISIS wanted the whole world including Afghanistan.
Put it simply, they dont have an ideological clash. Theirs is purely geographical territorial clash.
Both hate the west in name because they depend on everything western inventions

When clerics hold power, the results are devastating. Middle East nations are Islamic states.The rulers Id say are religious in name only, they leave the court system to the clerics while family lineage holds political power.

Tdotbluejays:
What is the difference between the Taliban and Isis?

Islamist militant factions have fought between themselves for control of Afghanistan since 2015

The Taliban and Isis are both Sunni Islamist extremist groups seeking to form authoritarian states under strict Sharia law and prepared to use violence to achieve their aim.

The two forces are actually enemies, however, who have fought bitterly since 2015 when Isis formed the Islamic State-Khorasan Province (ISKP) in Afghanistan at a time when it was first seeking to extend its geographical reach beyond Iraq and Syria.

The Taliban first came to prominence in 1994 during the Afghan Civil War, its ranks composed largely of students - from which the group derives its name in Pashto - many of whom had been mujahideen resistance fighters who had battled occupation by the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

A Deobandi fundamentalist Islamist movement originating in the Pashtun areas of eastern and southern Afghanistan and in northern Pakistan, the Taliban was led by Mullah Mohammed Omar and conquered first the province of Herat and then the whole country by September 1996, overthrowing the Burhanuddin Rabbani regime, establishing the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and making Kandahar the capital.

Its tyrannical rule, marked by the massacre of opponents, the denial of UN food supplies to starving citizens and the oppression of women, was brought to an abrupt end by US-led coalition forces in December 2001 in retaliation for Osama Bin Laden’s devastating al-Qaeda terror strike on the World Trade Center in New York City.

Since then, Taliban fighters have regrouped as an insurgency and continued to battle to retake Afghanistan from US, Western Allies and NATO peacekeeping forces ever since.

Isis meanwhile was first formed by Jordanian jihadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in 1999 before rising to global prominence when it drove Iraqi forces out of key cities in the west of the country in 2014 - having declared itself a worldwide caliphate - and later conquered swathes of eastern Syria before ultimately surrendering Mosul and Raqqa in 2017 when international forces intervened.

It established the ISKP in the Nangarhar Province of eastern Afghanistan in January 2015, actively recruiting defectors from the Taliban, in particular those who were discontented with their own leadership’s lack of success on the battlefield.

How have their respective factions interacted?

The formation of ISKP prompted Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Mansour to write a letter to his Isis counterpart, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, calling on him to abandon his recruitment drive of the disaffected and arguing that any war for their comparable cause in Afghanistan should be carried out under Taliban leadership.

Fighting duly broke out between the two sides that June 2015 and between two separate factions of the Taliban in the Zabul Province that November over whether or not to join forces with Isis.

More battles erupted in April 2017 when ISKP captured three drug dealers selling opium to raise funds for the Taliban in the northern Afghan province of Jowzjan and again in May 2017 when 22 militants were killed in clashes between the two sides along the Iranian border.

The Taliban launched an offensive to clear Isis out of Jowzjan the following summer, with the the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan joining in on the latter’s side, as up to 7,000 people were displaced from their homes.

That July’s conflict ended in a significant defeat for ISKP, who suffered further setbacks in skirmishes the following year before being almost entirely eradicated by the US and the Afghan military in late 2019, although the Council for Foreign Relations estimates that there are still 2,200 members of ISKP still active in Afghanistan.

Despite having an Afghan government in power, In February 2020, the Donald Trump administration signed its peace accord with the Taliban in Doha, Qatar, which saw the latter group pledge to keep other Islamist extremists, including Isis, out of the country.

Another one, blame Trump, blame Trump, blame Trump when all else fails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYGDN_3QhI

If she was this bad as a politician, imagine how bad she was as a bartender?

Biden admin lying. Democrats are liars.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/27/biden-state-department-falsely-denies-taliban-terrorist-haqqani-network-ties/


The Biden State Department made the astounding claim Friday that the Taliban and its brother organization, the Haqqani Network, are “separate entities.”In truth, the two are tightly linked, and many of the top Haqqani leaders
– including self-described “Kabul chief of security” Khalil Ur-Rahman Haqqani – are also high ranking Taliban officials.

This life is really funny, the irony is stunning. The same Taliban u've been bombing d hell out of and killing with drones for decades now, is now the same folks u rely on to provide u security while u evacuate your citizens? And you gonna trust them now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HLp8gJwzc

PrideofLincoln1:
Thank you Bhudaman for being on the side of the truth.

This time, you mean. Wouldn't want to forget your recent view to the contrary.

Was going to place vitriolic in that sentence but it sounded far too confrontational for "sanctimonious" myself.

obixcel:
This life is really funny, the irony is stunning. The same Taliban u've been bombing d hell out of and killing with drones for decades now, is now the same folks u rely on to provide u security while u evacuate your citizens? And you gonna trust them now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HLp8gJwzc

The Taliban Badri 311 brigade is providing security. Bunch of ex-suicide bombers driving Humvees , wearing night vision googles while totting M4 Carbines with advanced gun sights.

All gifted by Biden.

wirinet:
What was the plan?

Drumpfthpq doesn't share with the likes of me so I couldn't exactly say. But all his other plans have unravelled so it was probably a plan to do nothing. We saw he had no Covid plan, and the huge cost too. And not even one for his own ever shifting reinauguration.

Everything with him is covfefe, and kraken.

budaatum:
Drumpfthpq doesn't share with the likes of me so I couldn't exactly say. But all his other plans have unravelled so it was probably a plan to do nothing. We saw he had no Covid plan, and the huge cost too. And not even one for his own ever shifting reinauguration.

Everything with him is covfefe, and kraken.

Drumph has a BT cellphone number.Its easier if you join his telegram group.
Do I send you an invite?

basilico:
The Taliban Badri 311 brigade is providing security. Bunch of ex-suicide bombers driving Humvees , wearing night vision googles while totting M4 Carbines with advanced gun sights.

All gifted by Biden.

So they wouldn't have taken these equipment from the Afghan army after Trump pulled out?

basilico:
Drumph has a BT cellphone number.Its easier if you join his telegram group.
Do I send you an invite?

You want to give me the BT cellphone number of a drumptfq that I couldn't even stand on my telly bas?

Please don't invite me to have my head filled with kraken. And say no to drugs!

You should apply to teach risk mgmt

obixcel:
This life is really funny, the irony is stunning. The same Taliban u've been bombing d hell out of and killing with drones for decades now, is now the same folks u rely on to provide u security while u evacuate your citizens? And you gonna trust them now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_HLp8gJwzc

Ibime:
So they wouldn't have taken these equipment from the Afghan army after Trump pulled out?

Hypotheticals.The elephant in the room is the chaotic imbecilic withdrawal.

They would not have them because Drumph would have dropped the MOAB on them.The Taliban right now would be running to their mommies begging to be rebirthed again.

basilico:
Hypotheticals.The elephant in the room is the chaotic imbecilic withdrawal.

They would not have them because Drumph would have dropped the MOAB on them.The Taliban right now would be running to their mommies begging to be rebirthed again.

Ibime is correct. The equipment were majorly for the Afgan Army. They were not only from the US but also Australia, India, France, Canada, United Kingdom e.t.c

Someone also posted earlier on the thread:

Taliban kills two US soldiers on February 8th, 2020. Trump did not drop the MOAB on them. He instead negotiated a surrender with the terrorist Taliban three weeks after.

[quote author=Tdotbluejays post=105275051][/quote]Nobody was killed ya. Biden Admin isa lie

basilico:
Hypotheticals.The elephant in the room is the chaotic imbecilic withdrawal.

They would not have them because Drumph would have dropped the MOAB on them.The Taliban right now would be running to their mommies begging to be rebirthed again.

Stop talking rubbish.

All those equipment are from the Afghan Army

Trump drop MOAB on who. Why hasn't Trump dropped MOAB on them.in the last 5 years? When your brain is that of a cultist, it will be reduced to simple imbecilic ideas like the utter stupidity you typed above. MOAB ko, Amos ni.

So after America withdrew competently under Trump, Trump will start returning regularly with MOABS to stop the Taliban defeating the Afghans and taking their equipment?

Enugurangers:
:
Taliban kills two US soldiers on February 8th, 2020. Trump did not drop the MOAB on them. He instead negotiated a surrender with the terrorist Taliban three weeks after.

The mumu is talking as if MOAB is a nuclear bomb. A one button solves all problem cartoon network shìt that Biden must be.too stüpid to press.

That's what happens when you brain is reduced to that of a cultist and idol.worshipper, you start to spew simple Cartoon Network ideas.

Had Trump.withdrawn orderly as he said he would, nothing would stop the Taliban overrunning the Afghan Army and taking those equipment. Now this one is conflagrating issues, talking rubbish about MOAB

Ibime:
Stop talking rubbish.

All those equipment are from the Afghan Army

Trump drop MOAB on who. Why hasn't Trump dropped MOAB on them.in the last 5 years? When your brain is that of a cultist, it will be reduced to simple imbecilic ideas like the utter stupidity you typed above. MOAB ko, Amos ni.

So after America withdrew competently under Trump, Trump will start returning regularly with MOABS to stop the Taliban defeating the Afghans and taking their equipment?

Mumu. You made a stupid comment, I answered more stupidly. You cant tell satire , accepting everything s a true statement.

Why do you think US has a lot of heavy transports planes. They are for mass droppings of MOABs. When Taliban see tha huge transport after evacuations are over, they will squeal in fright because the MOAB is about to land.

basilico:
Mumu. You made a stupid comment, I answered more stupidly. You cant tell satire , accepting everything s a true statement.

Why do you think US has a lot of heavy transports planes. They are for mass droppings of MOABs.

Shutup Aba Arizona

You congratulated Biden for equipping Taliban

I told you those are Afghan army equipment so they would fall into hands of Taliban after US Withdrawal anyway

You said Trump will drop MOAB

Now you are saying you were being sarcastic while still talking about mass equipment for dropping MOAB.

Mumu, how will Trump drop MOAB on Taliban to stop them taking Afghan equipment after withdrawal. You can't make up your mind whether you want withdrawal or continued engagement.

basilico:
The Taliban Badri 311 brigade is providing security. Bunch of ex-suicide bombers driving Humvees , wearing night vision googles while totting M4 Carbines with advanced gun sights.

All gifted by Biden.

And in many instances d same Joe Biden provided the Talibans lists of Americans who are to be evacuated

Ibime:
Shutup Aba Arizona

You congratulated Biden for equipping Taliban

I told you those are Afghan army equipment so they would fall into hands of Taliban after US Withdrawal anyway

You said Trump will drop MOAB

Now you are saying you were being sarcastic while still talking about mass equipment for dropping MOAB.

Mumu, how will Trump drop MOAB on Taliban to stop them taking Afghan equipment after withdrawal. You can't make up your mind whether you want withdrawal or continued engagement.

Dont you know the MOAB destroys everything within a 300m radius.It is too heavy for a normal jet fighter, hence a heavy transport like C130 or its variants are needed.Yes that's why the US has many heavy transports. MOAB baby, that has GPS guidance, it is thermobaric weapon .Very deadly.
If Taliban joke two or three MOABs and they go running to mommy.

basilico:
Dont you know the MOAB destroys everything within a 300m radius.It is too heavy for a normal jet fighter, hence a heavy transport like C130 or its variants are needed.Yes that's why the US has many heavy transports. MOAB baby, that has GPS guidance, it is thermobaric weapon .Very deadly.
If Taliban joke two or three MOABs and they go running to mommy.

Mr Arizona, so Trump that has signed peace deal with the Taliban to allow US withdraw orderly will return with MOAB to bomb them to stop them overthrowing Afghan Army and stealing their equipment.

You should have spent your sabbatical resting instead of watching cartoon network.

Ibime:
Mr Arizona, so Trump that has signed peace deal with the Taliban to allow US withdraw orderly will return with MOAB to bomb them to stop them overthrowing Afghan Army and stealing their equipment.

You should have spent your sabbatical resting instead of watching cartoon network.

Wars are not won by being nice, having lawyers in the front lines and dropping. smart bombs that destroy only military targets leaving civilians unharmed.
MOAB is a shock weapon. Bomb baby bomb and the enemy will to fight goes out of the window.

MOAB.MOAB. is the solution to Taliban.

basilico:
Wars are not won by being nice, having lawyers in the front lines and dropping. smart bombs that destroy only military targets leaving civilians unharmed.
MOAB is a shock weapon. Bomb baby bomb and the enemy will to fight goes out of the window.

MOAB.MOAB. is the solution to Taliban.

You be mumu. You should have spent your sabbatical better than the absolute hell of a year you have had, drinking conspiracies which must have worsened your mental health compared to when you started your rest.

I asked you that after US complete withdrawal, there was no plan to continue fighting the Taliban, so how did you expect Afghan Army weapons not to fall in Taliban hands, you are shouting bomb baby bomb. Bomb what does not concern you again?

Ibime:
You be mumu. You should have spent your sabbatical better than the absolute hell of a year you have had, drinking conspiracies which must have worsened your mental health compared to when you started your rest.

I asked you that after US complete withdrawal, there was no plan to continue fighting the Taliban, so how did you expect Afghan Army weapons not to fall in Taliban hands, you are shouting bomb baby bomb. Bomb what does not concern you again?

Your initial question is not reasonable. Was ut ordained that the Taliban were to come back to power. Nowhere was that indication apparent.
The Bagram airbase withdrawal speeded up the collapse.Americns did not even tell the afghan commander they were leaving, they shut down the lights after leaving and looters soon came in. There was no close air support for the Afghan army.
The Airbase held 5000 ISIS prisoners who Taliban released. If the groups are enemies why were the ISIS-K released.

We are being hypothetical about what would have happened had it been Trump.

basilico:
Your initial question is not reasonable. Was ut ordained that the Taliban were to come back to power. Nowhere was that indication apparent.
The Bagram airbase withdrawal speeded up the collapse.Americns did not even tell the afghan commander they were leaving, they shut down the lights after leaving and looters soon came in. There was no close air support for the Afghan army.
The Airbase held 5000 ISIS prisoners who Taliban released. If the groups are enemies why were the ISIS-K released.

We are being hypothetical about what would have happened had it been Trump.

Since the US was operating there ISIS k did not strike them, Taliban came in, release some prisoners of Al Q... and ISIS and the strike the US Because they thought the Taliban Care about protecting US lives when they are free to kill women who did not cook good food. The taliban is now saying the US will pay for killing ISIS K members, Members that the biden admin will not name. I think all this are just shows. They did not kill anyone. they just want to look like they are taking actions. Drone strikes Usually have Footage and if they really killed anyone they would have showed something.

The US abandoned Equipment including drones. The US does not leave drone tech for any military especially Afghan militaries because those are techs they would not even sell to their Allies.

They left a lot of planes than afghans can pilot. these are things they could deliver based on request and Usage needs. Ibime will likely excuse or believe the lies biden admin puts out... I don't blame him because it is both true and false. some of the equipment were for the afghan Army but many were abandoned.

they left the base like there was a ticking time bomb there taking even UK by surprise, no one in Afghanistan or the government knew. Ibime look at this excerpt and tell me if those were not abandoned equipment?

The US military departed from the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan last week in a remarkably unceremonious way.

The Americans had been using the massive, heavily fortified facility the size of a town for 20 years.

But the Afghan general who took over the place found out the Americans were gone two hours after they had turned off the electricity.

There was no ceremony. No handover. No: "Here's the keys, good luck!"

Many of the vehicles were actually left behind with no keys.

So, why did the US military slip away without telling anyone? Is this a normal way to end a war?

And why did they leave so much stuff behind?

I am at a loss about what actions Biden handlers have been taking.You mentioned the haphazard withdrawal. Gen Miller said it was Biden's idea to maintain Trump level troops, Bagram had to be closed .
Leaving the evacuations to be handled from Kabul only.

Let's go back to 1975 in Saigon. Hurried evacuations as the city was taken over by American enemies.

Fast forward today.Mass frenzied evacuations as Taliban takes Kabul .

In the middle of it all. Kamala Harris goes to Vietnam. She takes this darnphoto infront of the North Viet Communist Ho Chin Minh.She is paying homage to a communist.
I dont think this is a coincidence.
Taliban when they see this interpret it differently than a simple photo op.
Military when they see the photo get demoralized for all their blood, tears and sweat.

benalvino3:
Since the US was operating there ISIS k did not strike them, Taliban came in, release some prisoners of Al Q... and ISIS and the strike the US Because they thought the Taliban Care about protecting US lives when they are free to kill women who did not cook good food. The taliban is now saying the US will pay for killing ISIS K members, Members that the biden admin will not name. I think all this are just shows. They did not kill anyone. they just want to look like they are taking actions. Drone strikes Usually have Footage and if they really killed anyone they would have showed something.

The US abandoned Equipment including drones. The US does not leave drone tech for any military especially Afghan militaries because those are techs they would not even sell to their Allies.

They left a lot of planes than afghans can pilot. these are things they could deliver based on request and Usage needs. Ibime will likely excuse or believe the lies biden admin puts out... I don't blame him because it is both true and false. some of the equipment were for the afghan Army but many were abandoned.

they left the base like there was a ticking time bomb there taking even UK by surprise, no one in Afghanistan or the government knew. Ibime look at this excerpt and tell me if those were not abandoned equipment?

basilico:
Your initial question is not reasonable. Was ut ordained that the Taliban were to come back to power. Nowhere was that indication apparent.
The Bagram airbase withdrawal speeded up the collapse.Americns did not even tell the afghan commander they were leaving, they shut down the lights after leaving and looters soon came in. There was no close air support for the Afghan army.
The Airbase held 5000 ISIS prisoners who Taliban released. If the groups are enemies why were the ISIS-K released.

We are being hypothetical about what would have happened had it been Trump.

Story for the Gods. Funny how Trump never had any criticism of the withdrawal, even praising it a month ago, only to start making noise when Taliban started taking over. Even last week he said he will evacuate civilians, equipment then troops in that order. That means decommissioning of equipment and no Bagram airbase.

Now all of a sudden, story done change. He had already cut troops down to 2.5k. How many was he planning to keep to defend Bagram airbase.

You bloody liar. Someone who has been boasting that he will leave no troop in Afghanistan.

So again, how would he stop Taliban overrunning Afghan army and taking their equipment. Save your psychophantic MOAB bomb baby bomb story for Cartoon Network.

Bagram withdrawal was the catalyst.
Boom boom bomb bomb MOAB MOAB is what the jihadist need when they threaten a stronger force.
Welding the big stick while holding a carrot is what Biden did not do. He tucked his tail, they smelt the fear.And moved in for the kill.

It may have been part of the plan though.
Make the military look weak.
By Joe Biden.

Ibime:
Story for the Gods. Funny how Trump never had any criticism of the withdrawal, even praising it a month ago, only to start making noise when Taliban started taking over. Even last week he said he will evacuate civilians, equipment then troops in that order. That means decommissioning of equipment and no Bagram airbase.

Now all of a sudden, story done change. He had already cut troops down to 2.5k. How many was he planning to keep to defend Bagram airbase.

You bloody liar. Someone who has been boasting that he will leave no troop in Afghanistan.

So again, how would he stop Taliban overrunning Afghan army and taking their equipment. Save your psychophantic MOAB bomb baby bomb story for Cartoon Network.

basilico:
Bagram withdrawal was the catalyst.
Boom boom bomb bomb MOAB MOAB is what the jihadist need when they threaten a stronger force.
Welding the big stick while holding a carrot is what Biden did not do. He tucked his tail, they smelt the fear.And moved in for the kill.

Can you show me anywhere Trump criticised the evacuation of the airbase. At the time the airbase was being evacuated, Trump was praising the withdrawal claiming it was a process he started that Biden can't stop.

The Bagram airbase criticism is a Lindsay Graham idea. If Lindsay Graham opens his mouth to say I told you so, I would side with him because Lindsay Graham was even warning Trump against a full withdrawal last year. But any nonsense talk about the dumbo Trump keeping Bagram airbase in order to launch MOABs belongs in the bin.

A full withdrawal means you abandon airbase. Airbase has to be defended by troops on the ground otherwise Taliban breaks in and steals your planes and drones. Trump full withdrawal equals no airbase, stüpid.

Looking at the whole matter critically, Joe Biden wanted the Taliban to come to power.
Just like the democrat ex president directly aided the jihadists in Syria and Iraq. He removed all troops despite warnings.

All these actions leaving eqpmt, withdrawal chaos, media fawning ,no questions from media, Tis too much.
They seem to love jihadists.
Wonder why.
Maybe not Biden but we know the power behind the throne.

benalvino3:
Since the US was operating there ISIS k did not strike them, Taliban came in, release some prisoners of Al Q... and ISIS and the strike the US Because they thought the Taliban Care about protecting US lives when they are free to kill women who did not cook good food. The taliban is now saying the US will pay for killing ISIS K members, Members that the biden admin will not name. I think all this are just shows. They did not kill anyone. they just want to look like they are taking actions. Drone strikes Usually have Footage and if they really killed anyone they would have showed something.

The US abandoned Equipment including drones. The US does not leave drone tech for any military especially Afghan militaries because those are techs they would not even sell to their Allies.

They left a lot of planes than afghans can pilot. these are things they could deliver based on request and Usage needs. Ibime will likely excuse or believe the lies biden admin puts out... I don't blame him because it is both true and false. some of the equipment were for the afghan Army but many were abandoned.

they left the base like there was a ticking time bomb there taking even UK by surprise, no one in Afghanistan or the government knew. Ibime look at this excerpt and tell me if those were not abandoned equipment?