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DappaD:
You don’t have to tell me, I’ve done it countless times. There was once I saw shadeyinka and MuttleyLaff some months back seriously arguing on one of these NL threads. Guess what their argument was all about?
Can God talk to himself and send himself to do errands? so you can imagine what Trinity does to the brains of people.
The other day I quietly observed a thread where that self-acclaimed Bishop and Nancy were conversing. Nancy asked him what his thoughts were on idolizing Mary since she’s a Catholic, and then the bishop didn’t want to be straightforward in his answer so he used style dodged the question with long talks. Later, in another thread, he claimed that Catholics were wrong in idolizing dead saints(Mary) in the absence of Nancy

My brother, UNITY IN DIVERSITY is the reigning thing now oo!

What else do you expect from three Gods in one whose adherents can't find one definition for over 1500 years! Surely they can only unite (against JWs) in diverse understanding of their TRINITY God!

Barristter07:
What did Jesus partake when he share human nature ? The whole features of human beings and their sinful nature or just the flesh and blood that form their appearance ?

sin was never part of the nature of man, so flesh and blood is just appearance? Lol

Glory don become authority. Pure Delusion

you have a serious problem. So authority, so God's power and authority is not part of God glory?

Barristter07:
Are you aware humans share the nature of God ? In short they are equal to God as well .

God is God ...human are humans......u no get point

haddeylium:
Oxford Dictionary-
noun: honour; noun: honor; plural noun: honours; plural noun: honors
high respect; great esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honour"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/honour

Actually, you won't be having this conversation if you've taken my advice and check for the meaning of both in the Dictionary. They are not the same thing plainly and contextual. Your interpretation is just based on what you want to belief

@John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father
b)Wives, be subject to your husbands just as you are to the Lord.

Interpretation of A and B is the same in context. If you think the honour means equality on all levels then subjection is also the same on all levels


Jesus is Jehovah God chief agent and representativeJohn (17:3). He's a servant to him (Act 3:13).
You cannot respect (honour) God if you didn't respect his representative/messenger (Jesus).
It's just common sense, our disrespectful it would be to aking if your rude to his representative?. That's doesn't mean the King and his messenger are equal.

Remember Jesus own rule that 'Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master (John 15:20)

Yeah! Its impossible, they can't be equal. Who's Jesus in respect to his father

John 6:38
for I have come down from heaven to do, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
It's so clear that Jesus a loyal servant, is acting under the directive of his father .
Now, how can he be greater that the one that sent him? You wouldn't want to go against Jesus rule ..

Just quit blind arguments and make do with biblical facts. I know how hard it's to entertain truth especially if you have been holding on to your beliefs for long. But if you truly want to HONOUR Jesus and show appreciation to his ransom sacrifice, this is the first step.
TEST your Belief if it's really in harmony with the Bible

So many rubbish in one talk.

23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Typical JW take the first part of the text and useless comparison.

Where does it say when u don't submit to your husband u dnt submit to God.

@Bold we see denying the Jesus honor and worship is denying the Father, which shows their unity n equality.

So throw your logic into the dustbin

DappaD:
You don’t have to tell me, I’ve done it countless times. There was once I saw shadeyinka and MuttleyLaff some months back seriously arguing on one of these NL threads. Guess what their argument was all about?
Can God talk to himself and send himself to do errands? so you can imagine what Trinity does to the brains of people.

The other day I quietly observed a thread where that self-acclaimed Bishop and Nancy were conversing. Nancy asked him what his thoughts were on idolizing Mary since she’s a Catholic, and then the bishop didn’t want to be straightforward in his answer so he used style dodged the question with long talks. Later, in another thread, he claimed that Catholics were wrong in idolizing dead saints(Mary) in the absence of Nancy

My brother, UNITY IN DIVERSITY is the reigning thing now oo!

I have answered this. Now it's Gods job to use the truth of the scripture to illuminate your mind through the power and workings of the Holy Spirit

Emusan:
You got it so well.

Here is how they put it in their publications.

That's how I arrived at


1. Personification does not prove personality for HOLY SPIRIT

2. Personification does prove personality for Jesus.

Bishopkingsley:
This guy you are funny

How about this about the holy spirit that they believe as captured in the images below.

Then follow this conversation that result as a result of those images

JW: The holy spirit is God's active force, his power in action.

Non-JW: Would Jews and early Christians know about God's power?

JW: Of course!

Non-JW: [Acts 19:2]

and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?”+ They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”

JW: Oh... um....

Non-JW: Paul also said that the holy spirit isn't the same thing as God's power:

[2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]... by purity, by knowledge, by patience,+ by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,+ 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power;+ through the weapons of righteousness+ in the right hand and in the left,

JW: Um... I have to go.

freshboi88:

I have answered this. Now it's Gods job to use the truth of the scripture to illuminate your mind through the power and workings of the Holy Spirit

Who are you talking to? Did I mention you?

DappaD:
Who are you talking to? Did I mention you?

See Painment. Jesus is God n there's nothing u or ur father satan can do about it

achorladey:
How about this about the holy spirit that they believe as captured in the images below.

Then follow this conversation that result as a result of those images

JW: The holy spirit is God's active force, his power in action.

Non-JW: Would Jews and early Christians know about God's power?

JW: Of course!

Non-JW: [Acts 19:2]

and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?”+ They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”

JW: Oh... um....

Non-JW: Paul also said that the holy spirit isn't the same thing as God's power:

[2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]... by purity, by knowledge, by patience,+ by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,+ 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power;+ through the weapons of righteousness+ in the right hand and in the left,

JW: Um... I have to go.

[2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]... by purity, by knowledge, by patience,+ by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,+ 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power;+ through the weapons of righteousness+
Achorladey , 2 Corinthians 6:6-7,is purity a person?
Is knowledge a person?
Is patience a person?
Is kindness a person?
Is love without Hypocrisy a person?
Is truthful speech a person?
Indeed, we know where his SENSE dey, no be where God put am.

Achorladey proven himself deceptive, TWISTING messages from JWs publications.


it-2 pp. 1017-1027
SPIRIT

Distinguished from “power.” Ruʹach and pneuʹma, therefore, when used with reference to God’s holy spirit, refer to God’s invisible active force by which he accomplishes his divine purpose and will. It is “holy” because it is from Him, not of an earthly source, and is free from all corruption as “the spirit of holiness.” (Ro 1:4) It is not Jehovah’s “power,” for this English word more correctly translates other terms in the original languages (Heb., koʹach; Gr., dyʹna·mis). Ruʹach and pneuʹma are used in close association or even in parallel with these terms signifying “power,” which shows that there is an inherent connection between them and yet a definite distinction. (Mic 3:8; Zec 4:6; Lu 1:17, 35; Ac 10:38) “Power” is basically the ability or capacity to act or do things and it can be latent, dormant, or inactively resident in someone or something. “Force,” on the other hand, more specifically describes energy projected and exerted on persons or things, and may be defined as “an influence that produces or tends to produce motion, or change of motion.” “Power” might be likened to the energy stored in a battery, while “force” could be compared to the electric current flowing from such battery. “Force,” then, more accurately represents the sense of the Hebrew and Greek terms as relating to God’s spirit, and this is borne out by a consideration of the Scriptures."

Ruach ( Hebrew word for 'spirit') and pneuma (Greek word for 'spirit') are used in close association with Hebrew & Greek terms for power (koach & dynamis ) or even in parallel with these terms (koach & dynamis) which shows there is an inherent connection between them ('spirit' & 'power') , and yet a definite distinction.

For instance, is the "force of gravity" just a 'force'?
Is power associated with the force of gravity?
Achorladey is very deceptive gaan !

freshboi88:
So many rubbish in one talk.

23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Typical JW take the first part of the text and useless comparison.

Where does it say when u don't submit to your husband u dnt submit to God.

@Bold we see denying the Jesus honor and worship is denying the Father, which shows their unity n equality.

So throw your logic into the dustbin

I've been trying to be reasonable with you, if you want to keep this conversation going, you should keep it civil.

My simple explanation was that ' because Jesus' is God's representative, it's common sense that disrespect to him is disrespect to his father that sent him'.

When the israelites were murmuring against Moses. Jehovah said it's against him they were because Moses his representing him . So simple.

Now, consider Jesus own word to his followers here

Luke 10:16
[s
16“He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.”

Now, would I be correct to say Jesus and his followers representing him are equal? Because a disrespect to is followers is also a disrespect to him?
Then father

Do you people even study bible at all?

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freshboi88:

See Painment. Jesus is God n there's nothing u or ur father satan can do about it

This boy you well so? You sure you know who you’re replying to? Where and when did I quote you that you mentioned me with this?
Well now that you mentioned me, Yes Jesus is God, just like Moses(Exodus 7:1) and just like you and me(Psalm 82:6) but he is not and never will be the Almighty God! Matthew 27:46, John 17:3, 20:17; Revelation 3:12

haddeylium:
I've been trying to be reasonable with you, if you want to keep this conversation going, you should keep it civil.

My simple explanation was that ' because Jesus' is God's representative, it's common sense that disrespect to him is disrespect to his father that sent him'.

When the israelites were murmuring against Moses. Jehovah said it's against him they were because Moses his representing him . So simple.

Now, consider Jesus own word to his followers here

Luke 10:16
[s
16“He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.”

Now, would I be correct to say Jesus and his followers representing him are equal? Because a disrespect to his followers is also a disrespect to him?
Then father

Do you people even study bible at all?

He would only accept the GIBBERISH of his Pastorpreneurs drinking tea with their 3 deities.

freshboi88:
So many rubbish in one talk.

23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

Typical JW take the first part of the text and useless comparison.

Where does it say when u don't submit to your husband u dnt submit to God.

@Bold we see denying the Jesus honor and worship is denying the Father, which shows their unity n equality.

So throw your logic into the dustbin

John wrote, Jesus said: "The Father is greater than I am", John 14:28.
Freshboi88 proven himself disloyal to Jesus Christ his deity

achorladey:
Here is how they put it in their publications.

That's how I arrived at


1. Personification does not prove personality for HOLY SPIRIT

2. Personification does prove personality for Jesus.

Yes nau.
Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter several times, Matthew 26:31-35. 16:13-17.

Proverbs 8:22 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 , Jesus is the "Wisdom" at his Father's side.

Bros, which believer had a one on one conversation with holy spirit?

Bishopkingsley:
You pick where Jesus said the father is greater than I

#1
And you leave where Jesus said if you see me you have seen Jehovah

#2
Jehovah is in me and I am in Jehovah

Lol

#1
I have come in the name of my Father"
John 5:43

#2.
John 8:38. John 5:37
LIENUS of a Bishop.

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Bishopkingsley:
#1
In the old testament why did Jehovah not say Michael is the Savior since there was Michael since creation

Through out the Bible what you will see is Jehovah is the Savior and Jesus is the Savior

Michael is never in the equation.
Bible state that God don't trust his angels and watches them to make sure they don't do errors

Lack of knowledge is killing JW

Daniel 12:1, Douay-Rheims Bible
But at that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people: and a time shall come such as never was from the time that nations began even until that time. And at that time shall thy people be saved, every one that shall be found written in the book"

Daniel 10:13 & Daniel 12:1, 1 John 4:14 which people did Archangel Michael save?

LIENUS of a Bishop wey no know him Bible.

Janosky:
Yes nau.
Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter several times, Matthew 26:31-35. 16:13-17.

Proverbs 8:22 & 1 Corinthians 1:24 , Jesus is the "Wisdom" at his Father's side.

Bros, which believer had a one on one conversation with holy spirit?

The bold is enough

Personification does prove personality for Jesus but not for HOLY SPIRIT

The standard here is PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality

Your yes nau tells me the kind of standard used by the organization you belong.

Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter several times, Matthew 26:31-35. 16:13-17..... Janosky


Here is the insight book again......

It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper” and spoke of such helper as ‘teaching,’ ‘bearing witness,’ ‘giving evidence,’ ‘guiding,’ ‘speaking,’ ‘hearing,’ and ‘receiving.’ In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the masculine personal pronoun to that “helper” (paraclete). (Compare Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15.)

Now look at the last scripture cited as it sit well with your question up there John 16:7 - 15

have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

How will the helper deliver what Jesus required without conversing with Jesus going by the words used by Jesus himself?

Janosky:
[2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]... by purity, by knowledge, by patience,+ by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,+ 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power;+ through the weapons of righteousness+
Achorladey , 2 Corinthians 6:6-7,is purity a person?
Is knowledge a person?
Is patience a person?
Is kindness a person?
Is love without Hypocrisy a person?
Is truthful speech a person?
Indeed, we know where his SENSE dey, no be where God put am.

Achorladey proven himself deceptive, TWISTING messages from JWs publications.


it-2 pp. 1017-1027
SPIRIT

Distinguished from “power.” Ruʹach and pneuʹma, therefore, when used with reference to God’s holy spirit, refer to God’s invisible active force by which he accomplishes his divine purpose and will. It is “holy” because it is from Him, not of an earthly source, and is free from all corruption as “the spirit of holiness.” (Ro 1:4) It is not Jehovah’s “power,” for this English word more correctly translates other terms in the original languages (Heb., koʹach; Gr., dyʹna·mis). Ruʹach and pneuʹma are used in close association or even in parallel with these terms signifying “power,” which shows that there is an inherent connection between them and yet a definite distinction. (Mic 3:8; Zec 4:6; Lu 1:17, 35; Ac 10:38) “Power” is basically the ability or capacity to act or do things and it can be latent, dormant, or inactively resident in someone or something. “Force,” on the other hand, more specifically describes energy projected and exerted on persons or things, and may be defined as “an influence that produces or tends to produce motion, or change of motion.” “Power” might be likened to the energy stored in a battery, while “force” could be compared to the electric current flowing from such battery. “Force,” then, more accurately represents the sense of the Hebrew and Greek terms as relating to God’s spirit, and this is borne out by a consideration of the Scriptures."

Ruach ( Hebrew word for 'spirit') and pneuma (Greek word for 'spirit') are used in close association with Hebrew & Greek terms for power (koach & dynamis ) or even in parallel with these terms (koach & dynamis) which shows there is an inherent connection between them ('spirit' & 'power') , and yet a definite distinction.

For instance, is the "force of gravity" just a 'force'?
Is power associated with the force of gravity?
Achorladey is very deceptive gaan !

Two references from the organization you belong of which you cannot say it does not belong to them. Here it is again below and this time explain the second reference material which states holy spirit is God's power in action, his active force

Holy spirit is not Jehovah’s power

Holy spirit is God's power

Or the God is not Jehovah


Power as defined by the insight books says the capacity to do things.

Does Jehovah use his ACTIVE FORCE to do things?

A. Yes

B. No

Na today I know you. You that say evidence na false claim and lies even before I present am. Pe le tie.

KNOWMORE56:
#1
"So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?"
Which of them will answer... lol

...

John 5:19 Jesus Christ says he copies from
God his Father.
John 5:19,Jesus has acknowledged his inferior status before his Father.

Therefore, your question ought to be:
"What can God his Father do, which Jesus can not do?"
Mark 10:40
"But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. God has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen"

Matthew 24:36 & Mark 10:40, can Jesus do everything his Father does?
How many times did God his Father die?
When did Jesus die?

.

KNOWMORE56:
I have many questions for them but they don't answer questions... except copying their organization answers and paste here.

FALSE claim

KNOWMORE56:
This issue of worship that maxInDHouse and his fellow worshipper of watch Tower, barristter07, are talking about is the Word...

By the way, I have similar question about this "Jesus is created"

They claim it is Jesus speaking in Proverbs 8.

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

cc: Janosky, maxInDHouse, canticles, captivator,barristter07,haddeylium, peacefulworld01,tamyfire, fengchui...

Bros,next time commence your quote from verse 22 & end at 30
You want to dodge something (read the Screenshot of Proverbs 8:22).
"HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"?
Colossians 1:15, who is first born?

johnw47:
false jw mad max

oh duh, of course i will continue to worship the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

and you will continue to worship your g b and fellow false jw's, praising them constantly

false jw mad max not only worships his fellow false jw's, praising them often

but he even has idols of them, pictures that he regularly posts

Luk_1:47  And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Php_3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:



^^ God/Lord Jesus Christ is my/the saviour
God/Lord Jesus Christ the Saviour, came down from heaven





Tit_1:4  To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Tit_2:10  Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

^^ again: the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour/God our Saviour

the Holy Spirit sent the three wise men to worship Jesus:

Mat_2:2  Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Mat 2:11  And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.







Jesus said false teachers worship him in vain
in other words true christians worship wouldn't be in vain:

Mat_15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.




Father said Jesus is to be worshipped:

Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Janosky:
John wrote, Jesus said: "The Father is greater than I am", John 14:28.
Freshboi88 proven himself disloyal to Jesus Christ his deity

Already thrashed this now......like a boss is greater than his employee. Does that make him more human than his employee.......

Una no get sense walai

DappaD:
This boy you well so? You sure you know who you’re replying to? Where and when did I quote you that you mentioned me with this?
Well now that you mentioned me, Yes Jesus is God, just like Moses(Exodus 7:1) and just like you and me(Psalm 82:6) but he is not and never will be the Almighty God! Matthew 27:46, John 17:3, 20:17; Revelation 3:12

MuMu reasoning.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

The ability to abide n dwell in multidues at the same time not only shows that u r a liar but u r a deceiver just like your father satan who u work for.

John 14:23 shows u the Omniscient nature of Jesus. Moses, u or I do not posses these qualities.

Only God Almighty does. Jesus is God Almighty

haddeylium:
I've been trying to be reasonable with you, if you want to keep this conversation going, you should keep it civil.

My simple explanation was that ' because Jesus' is God's representative, it's common sense that disrespect to him is disrespect to his father that sent him'.

When the israelites were murmuring against Moses. Jehovah said it's against him they were because Moses his representing him . So simple.

Now, consider Jesus own word to his followers here

Luke 10:16
[s
16“He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.”

Now, would I be correct to say Jesus and his followers representing him are equal? Because a disrespect to is followers is also a disrespect to him?
Then father

Do you people even study bible at all?

New International Version
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Why did the verse not say to reject u is to reject God ? Because there is no equality between The Father and the disciples

But there is a perfect intercessor in the middle here. Who is fully God and Fully man

Who shares equality with Man in his humanity and equality with God by his very divine nature.

So to answer your question yes....Jesus shares equality with his disciples in his humanity.

Notice his use of the word "But" showing that distinction of his nature.

But to reject me is to reject the Father not when u reject the disciples because they do not share the nature of the one who sent him.

So this actually backtracks on your face as to reject one is to reject the other

achorladey:
How about this about the holy spirit that they believe as captured in the images below.

Then follow this conversation that result as a result of those images

JW: The holy spirit is God's active force, his power in action.

Non-JW: Would Jews and early Christians know about God's power?

JW: Of course!

Non-JW: [Acts 19:2]

and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?”+ They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”

JW: Oh... um....

Non-JW: Paul also said that the holy spirit isn't the same thing as God's power:

[2 Corinthians 6:6, 7]... by purity, by knowledge, by patience,+ by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy,+ 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power;+ through the weapons of righteousness+ in the right hand and in the left,

JW: Um... I have to go.

The cult wants to replace Jesus on earth that is why they said he is not God Almighty Satan needs his revenge that why he set up an organization that will be telling people that

Jesus is an angel and holy spirit can not speak or think so you can not receive holy spirit because he is just a force that only Apostles used before which no one can use now

JW members don't even know how this organization has been bending God's word

Janosky:
#1
I have come in the name of my Father"
John 5:43

#2.
John 8:38. John 5:37
LIENUS of a Bishop.

Answer

John 5

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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The reason you write Bible verse and you refuse to write what it says is because you don't know what is inside the Bible you wrote

Let explain John 5

Jehovah bears witness of Jesus
Jesus said the person Jehovah sent you refuse to believe Jehovah because the words of Jehovah is not actually inside you

What is in you is organization words that why you don't believe Jesus is God Almighty

Jesus said scriptures talk about Jesus yet you search it and can't see it

Jesus came to JW in his name you refuse his name but
if another shall come in his own name,(like JW organization) him ye will receive.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, ( JW and GB) in whom ye trust.

You say Moses is like Jesus that why you trust JW organization and GB but Jesus said Moses will accuse you on the last day for refusing to trust Jesus

haddeylium:
I've been trying to be reasonable with you, if you want to keep this conversation going, you should keep it civil.

My simple explanation was that ' because Jesus' is God's representative, it's common sense that disrespect to him is disrespect to his father that sent him'.

When the israelites were murmuring against Moses. Jehovah said it's against him they were because Moses his representing him . So simple.

Now, consider Jesus own word to his followers here

Luke 10:16
[s
16“He that listens to YOU listens to me [too]. And he that disregards YOU disregards me [too]. Moreover, he that disregards me disregards [also] him that sent me forth.”

Now, would I be correct to say Jesus and his followers representing him are equal? Because a disrespect to is followers is also a disrespect to him?
Then father

Do you people even study bible at all?

I love how your own Bible gives u guys away all the time

I think it's time to put an end to this arguement and bury u all once and for all to the glory of Jesus who is God almighty.

I'll use your own perverted scripture the NWT

NWT
Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Questions that cannot be answered by JW because of their perverted doctrine.

1. Can the JW tell us why is John separates Jesus from every created being ? Isn't Jesus supposed to be part of the created beings worshipping God here according to JW doctrine ?

Pls tell us why !!!!

2. Why is Jesus together with Jehovah receiving the same praise, glory, might, worship, honor that is accorded to Jehovah by every creature that God made.


When you all can answer this...this debate can continue.

Trinitarians in the house let's press them for answers

Janosky:

John 5:19 Jesus Christ says he copies from
God his Father.
John 5:19,Jesus has acknowledged his inferior status before his Father.

Therefore, your question ought to be:
"What can God his Father do, which Jesus can not do?"
Mark 10:40
"But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. God has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen"

Matthew 24:36 & Mark 10:40, can Jesus do everything his Father does?
How many times did God his Father die?
When did Jesus die?

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FALSE claim




Bros,next time commence your quote from verse 22 & end at 30
You want to dodge something (read the Screenshot of Proverbs 8:22).
"HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"?
Colossians 1:15, who is first born?

I love how your own Bible gives u guys away all the time

I think it's time to put an end to this arguement and bury u all once and for all to the glory of Jesus who is God almighty.

I'll use your own perverted scripture the NWT

NWT
Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Questions that cannot be answered by JW because of their perverted doctrine.

1. Can the JW tell us why is John separates Jesus from every created being ? Isn't Jesus supposed to be part of the created beings worshipping God here according to JW doctrine ?

Pls tell us why !!!!

2. Why is Jesus together with Jehovah receiving the same praise, glory, might, worship, honor that is accorded to Jehovah by every creature that God made.


When you all can answer this...this debate can continue.

Trinitarians in the house let's press them for answers