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thebosstrevor1:
You don't know what you are typing.

Different cultures have their own systems of governance and it wasn't democracy.

Every culture isn't the same, each has its own unique system of governance that keeps society intact

Democracy is a Greek world derived from DEMO +Cracy= Peoples Government.

In the Old Oyo Empire, there were provisions in varying degrees for the people to participate in their Government and power was shared between the Monarch, the Oyo-Mesi (similar to the legislature) and the Ogboni (similar to the Judiciary). The Governance system had checks and balances that prevents the emergence of dictatorship.

The Emperor (Alaafin) is 'elected' by the Oyo-Mesi among eligible princes.

thebosstrevor1:
I say most Christian converts in Nigeria, don't understand the bible, they read the surface and not the deep meaning of things.

The bible deals with politics, leadership, loyalty, how citizens are suppose to behave and lot more.

Western civilization is based on Christian values from the bible.

Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity. Christianity is about the teaching of Christ and not just anything written in the Bible.
The Bible is a collection of History, Moral codes, Prophecies and the Gospels.

oyatz:
Democracy is a Greek world derived from DEMO +Cracy= Peoples Government.

In the Old Oyo Empire, there were provisions in varying degrees for the people to participate in their Government and power was shared between the Monarch, the Oyo-Mesi (similar to the legislature) and the Ogboni (similar to the Judiciary). The Governance system had checks and balances that prevents the emergence of dictatorship.

The Emperor (Alaafin) is 'elected' by the Oyo-Mesi among eligible princes.

It is the height of inferiority complex trying to make sure your distinct system is the same with democracy which is western.

How did a monarchy system became a democracy.

Is democracy only about choosing someone to rule.

In oyo empire, only the elites could select who is the next king and the next king wasn't choosen from the people rather from the families who are of royal blood.

How then is that democracy??

oyatz:
Christ is the cornerstone of Christianity. Christianity is about the teaching of Christ and not just anything written in the Bible.
The Bible is a collection of History, Moral codes, Prophecies and the Gospels.

You know nothing about the foundation of western society.

The bible is the foundation of western civilization.

The western churches were the people who brought about education, science, the law system,research, the tax code, taking care of the poor,universities and lot of ideas in the bible which help shaped their society. The bible or even christ teaching was more than just a history book.

You Christian converts only read the surface but not the deep meaning of what was written in the bible

thebosstrevor1:
It is the height of inferiority complex trying to make sure your distinct system is the same with democracy which is western.

How did a monarchy system became a democracy.

Is democracy only about choosing someone to rule.

In oyo empire, only the elites could select who is the next king and the next king wasn't choosen from the people rather from the families who are of royal blood.

How then is that democracy??

Democracy is about the PEOPLE.

Britain pride itself with her 800 year old democracy yet the British citizens never votes to elect either the Queen or the Prime Minister.


The levels of Peoples participation in the governance and emergence of political leaders varies from Countries to Countries.

The United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, Greece and Denmark are European countries that still practice Monarchial system with democracy.

Democracy predated Christianity by centuries and Christianity has nothing to do with how people rule themselves so how is Democracy a Christian concept?

thebosstrevor1:
Why do you have to insert igbo people everywhere.

Is it only igbo people that exist in this world.

He had to insert Igbo because Igbos too bring Yoruba into everything!

thebosstrevor1:
Christians accuse muslims of carrying out Jihads, anyway, the truth is that jihad isn't only a Muslim issue, it is also a Christian issue.

The first jihad ever taken place was carried out by Christians, it is called the crusaders, they killed non believers and forcefully converted them to Christians, those who wouldn't convert were killed.

On the African soil, ths Christians took their jihad to another level, all the Christian nations in the west came together to sell africans into slavery without remorse.

Another Christian jihad was colonization, they saw africans as babarians, people who can't think, had no systems, they sent their armies and administrators then colonized the whole africa, then partitioned it to suit their fantasy. Even one of the Christian kings owned Congo as his property and told his administrators that they cut the hands of people who doesn't reach a certain farming quota in his property.

What is presently going on?

Christian jihad take form in politics, This time they are not spreading christianity but another form of religion called DEMOCRACY, if the heads of various Christian nations do not like a leader of a particular country, they start shouting democracy, if he doesn't listen, they assassinate him, if it not possible, they organized a coup, if that is not possible, they sanction the country, place an economic embargo, make the population of the non believers suffer and then purposely make them revolt by all means until the leader is removed or killed by the non believers.

If the people support their leader, the Christian jihadists will start subverting the nation, placing embargos in important sectors, black mailing the nation through their media, films , music and Various Ngos.

The truth is that the muslim jihadists are just a counter attack to the Christian jihadists in global political battle.

Almost all the whole world have been affected by Christian jihadists, the reality is that the world is in choas because of Christian jihadists, they are everywhere disguise in suits, creating unrest, using economic sanctions as a tool of control, trapping countries through debts, sending armies and mercenaries to destroy a nation, my question is when will it stop?

“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

oyatz:
Democracy is about the PEOPLE.

Britain pride itself with her 800 year old democracy yet the British citizens never votes to elect either the Queen or the Prime Minister.


The levels of Peoples participation in the governance and emergence of political leaders varies from Countries to Countries.

The United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, Greece and Denmark are European countries that still practice Monarchial system with democracy.

Democracy predated Christianity by centuries and Christianity has nothing to do with how people rule themselves so how is Democracy a Christian concept?

What you wrote had no resemblance with the oyo empire.

The people don't vote, there was no parliamentary system of government and no debate in the oyo empire.

Stop confusing your self by trying hard to compare your own local system with that of the west, they have no similarities.

The parliamentary system of government and monarchy is a new idea, what was practiced in Europe was absolute monarchy. Europe Monarchy became outdated after the second world war after some of the monarchs were killed or assassinated only a few survived, the ones which survived had to become ceremonial with a parliamentary system of government where the people had a say through votes.


These are bible verses about democracy in your bible

https://www.openbible.info/topics/democracy

Pls take your time to read about the Christian worldview

Is democracy a Christian form of government?
https://www.gotquestions.org/democracy-Christian.html

thebosstrevor1:
What you wrote had no resemblance with the oyo empire.

The people don't vote, there was no parliamentary system of government and no debate in the oyo empire.

Stop confusing your self by trying hard to compare your own local system with that of the west, they have no similarities.

The parliamentary system of government and monarchy is a new idea, what was practiced in Europe was absolute monarchy. Europe Monarchy became outdated after the second world war after some of the monarchs were killed or assassinated only a few survived, the ones which survived had to become ceremonial with a parliamentary system of government where the people had a say through votes.


These are bible verses about democracy in your bible

https://www.openbible.info/topics/democracy

Pls take your time to read about the Christian worldview

Is democracy a Christian form of government?
https://www.gotquestions.org/democracy-Christian.html

You keep exuding a dangerous blend of ignorance and arrogance.

The practice of democracy varies from Countries to Countries.

Democracy officially started in Britain following the transformation of the British Realm from Absolutely Monarchy to Constitutional Monarchy following the promulgation of the Magna Carta in 1215.
The summary of the event was that King John-1 agreed to share power with the people as represented by the British nobilities and much more later, the representatives of the commoners (hence the institution of the House of Commons).


This arrangement is very similar to what was obtainable in Old Oyo and the Bini Empires.


Instead of displaying crass ignorance with your fixed narrative of 'Democracy is a Christian concept' , why not google (a) Democracy (b) Christianity and read about these terms. This will help you rather than projecting your assumptions on the topics as the Gospel Truths.

oyatz:
You keep exuding a dangerous blend of ignorance and arrogance.

The practice of democracy varies from Countries to Countries.

Democracy officially started in Britain following the transformation of the British Realm from Absolutely Monarchy to Constitutional Monarchy following the promulgation of the Magna Carta in 1215.
The summary of the event was that King John-1 agreed to share power with the people as represented by the British nobilities and much more later, the representatives of the commoners (hence the institution of the House of Commons).


This arrangement is very similar to what was obtainable in Old Oyo and the Bini Empires.


Instead of displaying crass ignorance with your fixed narrative of 'Democracy is a Christian concept' , why not google (a) Democracy (b) Christianity and read about these terms. This will help you rather than projecting your assumptions on the topics as the Gospel Truths.

You are ignorant. You don't understand the meaning of democracy.

Britain did not become a democracy until the Representation of the People Acts of 1918 and 1928 that gave the vote to all men and women over the age of 21.

Magna carta has nothing to do with democracy rather
to prevent the king from exploiting his power, and placed limits of royal authority by establishing law as a power in itself.

Old oyo and benin never practised democracy, nobody voted in those empire.

thebosstrevor1:
You are ignorant. You don't understand the meaning of democracy.

Britain did not become a democracy until the Representation of the People Acts of 1918 and 1928 that gave the vote to all men and women over the age of 21.

Magna carta has nothing to do with democracy rather
to prevent the king from exploiting his power, and placed limits of royal authority by establishing law as a power in itself.

Old oyo and benin never practised democracy, nobody voted in those empire.

1) You assume that voting for the president/Head of State = Democracy.

2) You keep insisting that Democracy = Christian concept.


Now where did Christ taught his followers to vote for the head of their country? Did any election to select the king of Israel/Judah take place in the Bible?

oyatz:
1) You assume that voting for the president/Head of State = Democracy.

2) You keep insisting that Democracy = Christian concept.


Now where did Christ taught his followers to vote for the head of their country? Did any election to select the king of Israel/Judah take place in the Bible?

Voting is the participation of people in politics, the ability for them to elect leaders, that is democracy.

Government by the people is democracy.

Democracy isn't government by some privileged few or those from the lineage of a certain ancestor.


As for the bible.

Deuteronomy 1 vs 13

Choose for your tribes wise, understanding, and experienced men, and I will appoint them as your heads.’

2 Peter 1:10

Therefore, brothers,[a] be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

What the bible wrote about government and obeying government

I peter 2 vs 13 -17

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

thebosstrevor1:
Voting is the participation of people in politics, the ability for them to elect leaders, that is democracy.

Government by the people is democracy.

Democracy isn't government by some privileged few or those from the lineage of a certain ancestor.


As for the bible.

Deuteronomy 1 vs 13

Choose for your tribes wise, understanding, and experienced men, and I will appoint them as your heads.’

2 Peter 1:10

Therefore, brothers,[a] be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

What the bible wrote about government and obeying government

I peter 2 vs 13 -17

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

There is no point debating issues with you further because you already have a fixed mind that's not open to further ideas & information.


So when the Bible talks about your call your 'calling and election' it refers to voting? So when you see the 'Elect' in the Bible , you understand it to mean those who have been voted for?


So in Deut-1: 13 ,who were the persons that won 'the elections'?

So when the people of Zaria Emirate chose Nuhu Bamali as their Emir recently , it means the people just voted for Nuhu Bamali?



So a moral admonition to subject to EVERY Human authority which you qouted in 1Peter 2: 13 was just talking about submitting to a president that was elected by the people?

thebosstrevor1:
Sharia is tradition,culture and way of life.

You are born inside your tradition

If its culture, how come Muslims are trying to use force to spread this archaic tradition on others?

PrinceOfLagos:
This one is obviously a terrorist

Only a terrorist would support a terrorist

And what do you think are too. A Christian terrorist supporter defending Christian terrorists activities

Aketi2:
If its culture, how come Muslims are trying to use force to spread this archaic tradition on others?

There is nothing like archaic tradition or culture. What we have now is the spread of Islam for political and cultural purposes, this is the golden age of islam

If op is not dumb, he should have known that Christianity has nithing to do with jihad. Islam is synonymous with jihad. You can only associate christianity with Crusade.

oyatz:
Democracy is about the PEOPLE.

Britain pride itself with her 800 year old democracy yet the British citizens never votes to elect either the Queen or the Prime Minister.


The levels of Peoples participation in the governance and emergence of political leaders varies from Countries to Countries.

The United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, Greece and Denmark are European countries that still practice Monarchial system with democracy.

Democracy predated Christianity by centuries and Christianity has nothing to do with how people rule themselves so how is Democracy a Christian concept?

They do elect the prime minister not sure what you're talking about and the queen has no physical power or influence on politics