I have always noticed that kick off boost, holding the first pad, I fit score like 6 goals and play u thoroughly but second half, to score a goal fit be by grace
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This is one topic that has divided gamers for some time. Does Scripting in video games exist or not? A lot of people still do not believe that it exists while some others swear that it does. What is scripting in video games? Does it actually exist?
What is Scripting in video games?
Scripting can be defined as when the outcome of a game is predetermined and cannot be changed, no matter what the players do. If one is playing a game that is scripted, and the game has billed the person to win, no matter how badly the person plays, they are going to win. If the game has billed the individual to lose, no matter how well they play, they are going to lose.
Whether you agree or not, scripting in video games is a thing now. It is real. Companies may not admit it but they actually need scripting. The question now is “why”?
First off, they need to ATTRACT and KEEP NEW PLAYERS. If the skill gap between new and old players is too wide, the new players might lose a lot of games. Losing multiple games does have a bad effect on a player’s psyche and could cause new players to dump the game entirely. In order to avoid this, these companies write scripts into the game to help new players “win” and form a psychological attachment to the game.
Secondly, they need to KEEP OLDER PLAYERS HAPPY. If older players hit a rough patch of form and start losing a lot of games, such players may get angry and call it quits. To avoid this, the script intervenes and helps these players win and halt such bad form. This would lift the spirits of the players and encourage them to keep playing.
Thirdly, it is to keep the game from being too easy. The human psyche is always looking for a challenge and tends to get bored or lose interest if the endeavour/game is too easy. One of the reasons why I quit Dream League in 2019 was that it was just too easy. I was beating the AI 12-0 every game. To avoid this, if a player gets a very good run of form, winning a lot of games along the way, the script will intervene and cause him/her to lose a few games. This would cause the player to want to try harder and get more interested in the game.
Scripting wants to make the game more “equal” in a way.
How does Scripting work in football games (PES/FIFA)
One of the ways that scripting works is that it increases an opponent abilities regardless of the types of players they are using, while it weakens your own players or vice versa. This would cause one side to coast through the game easily whilst the other side is struggling.
This lopsided handicapping can last the entire game but this is not alway true. Sometimes the script could favour player one in the first half and then favour player two in the second half. There is also something known as a kickoff boost, when the player kicking off is presented with easy scoring opportunities.
There is also the momentum system or Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment where the game gets progressively harder as you keep winning. The more you win, the harder it gets. This would continue till the game forces the player to lose. The system only resets after the player loses and picks up again.
Why is Scripting in Video games bad? Video games, especially when competitive or sporting, is supposed to be fair. Scripting is not fair competition.
Scripting makes a nonsense of the skill gap. Imagine practicing and playing a game just to be good at it only to be beaten unfairly by a novice? You attack an opponent from the start of the game to the end but their silver ball goalkeeper is Prime Oliver Kahn or worse, Lev Yashin. They get one corner and your keeper throws it into your own net and he wins.
Your players misplace every single pass. The strikers fall over when presented with an open goal, play shots straight at the keeper or just inexplicably miss. Your players are so damn slow and refuse to tackle and your keeper might as well not have even bothered to turn up.
Sometimes you just go into games hoping that the odds are in your favour.
Scripting also makes the player system worthless. What is the point of spending millions of in-game currency, buying players like Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rashford, Neymar etc. only to lose against a silver ball team?
This system of scripting tends to confuse players as players no longer know their true levels of performance or ability. Sometimes, there are matches that you ought to win based on the skill gap or your match performance. Yet you would lose those matches and then win the ones that you have no right to win. There are games where I have come away with a bad feeling that I did not deserve to lose or could not celebrate victories that felt hollow because I did not deserve to win.
Is Scripting ever going away? The answer to this question is no. Why?
The companies love it. This way they can attract new players and keep them happy without losing their older players. This helps them to increase their fan/player base and thus increase their potential revenue.
Players also love scripting too without knowing it. The gaming community is ultra-competitive and most players think that they are very good. The truth is everyone has been favoured by the script at one point or the other. But for a lot of people, to admit that there is scripting, means an admission that some of them are not as good as they think they are. This is especially true for new gamers. This is why many will fight the idea that they were probably given a leg up by the system.
If the gaming community cannot stand together and call for an end to scripting, it is going to be here for a very long time.
theakuko: I noticed this as well especially back then when playing FIFA 14. You make the mistake of conceeding a corner kick during stoppage time and by God, the game's AI is surely gonna make you pay. I mean I experienced this so many times that I could no longer see it as mere coincidence.
Then there was career mode. When your team is like 3rd or 4th in the league and the other AI teams above you in the league's ranking are losing their own games on match day, the "system" will make sure you drop points in your own game as well in order to maintain the status quo. It doesn't matter how hard you try, the system will do it's utmost best to frustrate your efforts. It doesn't matter how superior your team is to the team your playing against, you will find yourself losing or at best, getting a draw for inexplicable reasons.
Great topic @op. Lalasticlala please consider
Thou shall not concede last min corner or free kick.....you won't beat AI to that
I and my brother noticed this rubbish too. I was beating Ai when my players started becoming stupid all of a sudden.. They scored a very cheap equaliser at the dying minutes.
Ejebleje: If the gaming community cannot stand together and call for an end to scripting, it is going to be here for a very long time
It's in the mind bro. The game developers announce tomorrow that they've put an end to scripting, and you'll feel like you're actually competing without influence but could that really be the case?
general111: I and my brother noticed this rubbish too. I was beating Ai when my players started becoming stupid all of a sudden.. They scored a very cheap equaliser at the dying minutes.
E dey pain ehn
I no dey gree make ball dey my area especially if I dey win 2-1 or 1-0. Na to dey blast the ball dey go opponent box or carry am go corner flag go guide.
The5DME: So dream league is scripted? No wonder the game sef de too easy, I con de suspect wetin de happen.
I don't think Dream league is scripted. But I also believe that once you master the game, the AI is really dumb and you'll find ways to choreograph goal scoring routines or exploit goalkeeper bugs which are quite plenty.
PES and FIFA on the other hand know this and have a momentum (PES), Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment System (FIFA) to try to keep the game interesting.
But the AI available isn't all that smart yet, so they just flat out resort to scripting by "nerfing" your players so that the AI has an easier ride through.
This is a nice write up but when it comes to football games in player vs player mode its all about you and your skills. That can't be scripted , i hardly get beaten in PES cause its my favorite and I'm the one playing the game ... If you're losing too often then sharpen your skills on player selection and formation ... Scripting is only done with player vs computer games but even that can be changed if you're good enough ...
mayorkun101: This is a nice write up but when it comes to football games in player vs player mode its all about you and your skills. That can't be scripted , i hardly get beaten in PES cause its my favorite and I'm the one playing the game ... If you're losing too often then sharpen your skills on player selection and formation ... Scripting is only done with player vs computer games but even that can be changed if you're good enough ...
Don't mind them as if the same thing don't happen in real life...
last 2 weeks twente scored an equaliser against Ajax at 90min plus..
mayorkun101: This is a nice write up but when it comes to football games in player vs player mode its all about you and your skills. That can't be scripted , i hardly get beaten in PES cause its my favorite and I'm the one playing the game ... If you're losing too often then sharpen your skills on player selection and formation ... Scripting is only done with player vs computer games but even that can be changed if you're good enough ...
Thank you for your offering your point of view in a civil manner. Unlike the human being below you.
1. PvP online is scripted. Career/master league mode can be scripted.
2. I never said that I lose "alot". I'm rated at 1300+ on PES Mobile. I wouldn't have gotten there if I lose alot.
3. I am not an idiot. I first discovered scripting in 2019 and I have been researching it for the better part of a year plus now. I wouldn't put out such information if I wasn't sure of it.
Here's a leaked transcript from the DDA files as posted on Reddit.
Taken from the dynamic difficulty paper:
...Some other non-limiting examples of features of the video game that can be modified, which may or may not be detectable by the user can include providing extra speed to an in-game character, improving throwing accuracy of an in-game character, improving the distance or height that the in-game character can jump, adjusting the responsiveness of controls , and the like. In some cases, the adjustments may additionally or alternatively include reducing the ability of an in-game character rather than improving the ability of the in-game character. For example, the in-game character may be made faster, but have less shooting accuracy.”
kemicalreact: @atheistandproud, see stats of the game I played with my junior bro. E con be like say him keeper get magnet for body wey dey attract ball.
He later carry the 2-1 go sha
I've met your brother twice online... He has beaten me twice on both occasions with just one goal difference... I think he uses Cech as GK.. if he's interested in a friendly best of 5 games... Drop his WhatsApp I'll chat him up
mayorkun101: This is a nice write up but when it comes to football games in player vs player mode its all about you and your skills. That can't be scripted , i hardly get beaten in PES cause its my favorite and I'm the one playing the game ... If you're losing too often then sharpen your skills on player selection and formation ... Scripting is only done with player vs computer games but even that can be changed if you're good enough ...
In addition, check out (1.) Vizeh and (2.) the Italian Stallion on YT. They have covered the topic extensively.
You can also read about Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment and Momentum if you can spare the time.
I've met your brother twice online... He has beaten me twice on both occasions with just one goal difference... I think he uses Cech as GK.. if he's interested in a friendly best of 5 games... Drop his WhatsApp I'll chat him up
Why play 5 games when you can easily set the time for a game to 15 mins?
Thank you for your offering your point of view in a civil manner. Unlike the human being below you.
1. PvP online is scripted. Career/master league mode can be scripted.
2. I never said that I lose "alot". I'm rated at 1300+ on PES Mobile. I wouldn't have gotten there if I lose alot.
3. I am not an idiot. I first discovered scripting in 2019 and I have been researching it for the better part of a year plus now. I wouldn't put out such information if I wasn't sure of it.
Here's a leaked transcript from the DDA files as posted on Reddit.
Taken from the dynamic difficulty paper:
...Some other non-limiting examples of features of the video game that can be modified, which may or may not be detectable by the user can include providing extra speed to an in-game character, improving throwing accuracy of an in-game character, improving the distance or height that the in-game character can jump, adjusting the responsiveness of controls , and the like. In some cases, the adjustments may additionally or alternatively include reducing the ability of an in-game character rather than improving the ability of the in-game character. For example, the in-game character may be made faster, but have less shooting accuracy.”
oga dont mind this man.. he should just go to youtube and type fifa /pes scripting and see the wonders of scripting i myself suffered this same scripting alot on fifa 19 my ball will hit thesame spot at the goal post at three to four time without the shot going in only for the oponent to score a very funny goal @ the end of the game... fifa is even worse this is offline o on ps4
I just realized that the scripting is real, I just finished a league on pes, I was playing man city at the last game of the season ye scoreline was 1 = 1 at 90th minute and I really need to win the match and hope for arsenal to lose their match cos we were on same point , then suddenly Marcos Alonso came all the way from left wing back and tackle 3 player and i shoot the ball, I was surprised that the ball scored cos it wont score on a normal match, arsenal that have been winning all the big team lost to a team at bottom of the table and I won the league, that motivated me to play the next season.
Sometimes I do feel computer intentionally gave me a goal and sometimes dey become harder.
Thank you for your offering your point of view in a civil manner. Unlike the human being below you.
1. PvP online is scripted. Career/master league mode can be scripted.
2. I never said that I lose "alot". I'm rated at 1300+ on PES Mobile. I wouldn't have gotten there if I lose alot.
3. I am not an idiot. I first discovered scripting in 2019 and I have been researching it for the better part of a year plus now. I wouldn't put out such information if I wasn't sure of it.
Here's a leaked transcript from the DDA files as posted on Reddit.
Taken from the dynamic difficulty paper:
...Some other non-limiting examples of features of the video game that can be modified, which may or may not be detectable by the user can include providing extra speed to an in-game character, improving throwing accuracy of an in-game character, improving the distance or height that the in-game character can jump, adjusting the responsiveness of controls , and the like. In some cases, the adjustments may additionally or alternatively include reducing the ability of an in-game character rather than improving the ability of the in-game character. For example, the in-game character may be made faster, but have less shooting accuracy.”
Well scripting is not out of the question sure but from a gamer point of view its fun to be challenged, don't you think.
I no dey gree make ball dey my area especially if I dey win 2-1 or 1-0. Na to dey blast the ball dey go opponent box or carry am go corner flag go guide.
kemicalreact: @atheistandproud, see stats of the game I played with my junior bro. E con be like say him keeper get magnet for body wey dey attract ball.
atheistandproud: This article first appeared on inquisitive universe
This is one topic that has divided gamers for some time. Does Scripting in video games exist or not? A lot of people still do not believe that it exists while some others swear that it does. What is scripting in video games? Does it actually exist?
What is Scripting in video games?
Scripting can be defined as when the outcome of a game is predetermined and cannot be changed, no matter what the players do. If one is playing a game that is scripted, and the game has billed the person to win, no matter how badly the person plays, they are going to win. If the game has billed the individual to lose, no matter how well they play, they are going to lose.
Whether you agree or not, scripting in video games is a thing now. It is real. Companies may not admit it but they actually need scripting. The question now is “why”?
First off, they need to ATTRACT and KEEP NEW PLAYERS. If the skill gap between new and old players is too wide, the new players might lose a lot of games. Losing multiple games does have a bad effect on a player’s psyche and could cause new players to dump the game entirely. In order to avoid this, these companies write scripts into the game to help new players “win” and form a psychological attachment to the game.
Secondly, they need to KEEP OLDER PLAYERS HAPPY. If older players hit a rough patch of form and start losing a lot of games, such players may get angry and call it quits. To avoid this, the script intervenes and helps these players win and halt such bad form. This would lift the spirits of the players and encourage them to keep playing.
Thirdly, it is to keep the game from being too easy. The human psyche is always looking for a challenge and tends to get bored or lose interest if the endeavour/game is too easy. One of the reasons why I quit Dream League in 2019 was that it was just too easy. I was beating the AI 12-0 every game. To avoid this, if a player gets a very good run of form, winning a lot of games along the way, the script will intervene and cause him/her to lose a few games. This would cause the player to want to try harder and get more interested in the game.
Scripting wants to make the game more “equal” in a way.
How does Scripting work in football games (PES/FIFA)
One of the ways that scripting works is that it increases an opponent abilities regardless of the types of players they are using, while it weakens your own players or vice versa. This would cause one side to coast through the game easily whilst the other side is struggling.
This lopsided handicapping can last the entire game but this is not alway true. Sometimes the script could favour player one in the first half and then favour player two in the second half. There is also something known as a kickoff boost, when the player kicking off is presented with easy scoring opportunities.
There is also the momentum system or Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment where the game gets progressively harder as you keep winning. The more you win, the harder it gets. This would continue till the game forces the player to lose. The system only resets after the player loses and picks up again.
Why is Scripting in Video games bad? Video games, especially when competitive or sporting, is supposed to be fair. Scripting is not fair competition.
Scripting makes a nonsense of the skill gap. Imagine practicing and playing a game just to be good at it only to be beaten unfairly by a novice? You attack an opponent from the start of the game to the end but their silver ball goalkeeper is Prime Oliver Kahn or worse, Lev Yashin. They get one corner and your keeper throws it into your own net and he wins.
Your players misplace every single pass. The strikers fall over when presented with an open goal, play shots straight at the keeper or just inexplicably miss. Your players are so damn slow and refuse to tackle and your keeper might as well not have even bothered to turn up.
Sometimes you just go into games hoping that the odds are in your favour.
Scripting also makes the player system worthless. What is the point of spending millions of in-game currency, buying players like Mbappe, Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rashford, Neymar etc. only to lose against a silver ball team?
This system of scripting tends to confuse players as players no longer know their true levels of performance or ability. Sometimes, there are matches that you ought to win based on the skill gap or your match performance. Yet you would lose those matches and then win the ones that you have no right to win. There are games where I have come away with a bad feeling that I did not deserve to lose or could not celebrate victories that felt hollow because I did not deserve to win.
Is Scripting ever going away? The answer to this question is no. Why?
The companies love it. This way they can attract new players and keep them happy without losing their older players. This helps them to increase their fan/player base and thus increase their potential revenue.
Players also love scripting too without knowing it. The gaming community is ultra-competitive and most players think that they are very good. The truth is everyone has been favoured by the script at one point or the other. But for a lot of people, to admit that there is scripting, means an admission that some of them are not as good as they think they are. This is especially true for new gamers. This is why many will fight the idea that they were probably given a leg up by the system.
If the gaming community cannot stand together and call for an end to scripting, it is going to be here for a very long time.
Well scripting is not out of the question sure but from a gamer point of view its fun to be challenged, don't you think.
Yes absolutely.
It's for the reason that I dropped my 3 year squad which I built on Dream League from 2016 to 2019. The game was too easy offline and the online mode had been absolutely hacked.
PES/FIFA is not easy and that's what makes it interesting. It also has better graphics courtesy of the Unreal Engine. But my issue is "why tamper with the outcome?" All in a bid to "increase player engagement".
Make the game challenging, make it interesting, make the AI smarter but don't tamper with a person's players (nerf) or the outcome of the match.
