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Janosky:
John 20:17
"Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended. to my Father; but go to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God."

#1
According to Jesus Christ, does Jesus worship the God and Father of his brethren?
John 20:17, Why did Jesus & his brethren have the same God and Father?
In other words, why did Freshboi88 and his brothers have the same Father?

#2
According to Jesus Christ @John20:17 & Revelation 3:12 who RECEIVES worship @ Revelation 5:14?

Freshboi88 proven himself disloyal to Jesus because he is telling this public forum that John & Jesus have contradict John 20:17 and Revelation 3:12.


John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus says only his God and Father JEHOVAH receives worship.
This boi Trinity robbed your SENSE.

This one just left the question and started saying other things trying to deviate. Nah lie o.

Your brother said every creature doesn't include animals.....hahahaha hahahaha......comedy.


Now answer the question this time around



1. Why is Jesus separated from every creature. Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach

2. Why does he receive the same glory, honour, praise, worship, blessing that is given to Jehovah. Your own Bible says so.

freshboi88:
Hahahaha hahahaha....I no fit die for laugh.

So every creature doesn't include animals according Barrister07.....the Bible doesn't say that. Please show me where it says that.

If u can't then answer the question. But this time read it carefully before answering

The text said every creature SAYING

Do animals, stones or mountains talk ?

1. Why is Jesus separated from every creature. Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach

A lamb.

The same reason he is separated in Rev 5:3. Is Jesus in heaven or not ? I challenge you to answer

2. Why does he receive the same glory, honour, praise, worship, blessing that is given to Jehovah. Your own Bible says so.

The text didn't say he received worship.

Janosky:
Read Jesus Christ speaking at John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12, only JEHOVAH God receives worship in heaven and earth..
Revelation 5:14 is NOT an exception.
Matthew 4:10, do you recall Jesus instruction?

Hahahaha....thank God we can all read what your NWT said.

1. Why is Jesus separated from every creature. Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach. In Rev 5:13-14

2. Why does he receive the same glory, honour, praise, worship, blessing that is given to Jehovah. Your own Bible says so. Rev 5:13-14

Barristter07:
The text said every creature SAYING

Do animals, stones or mountains talk ?



A lamb.

The same reason he is separated in Rev 5:3. Is Jesus in heaven or not ? I challenge you to answer



The text didn't say he received worship.

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Rev 5:13 -14 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Every creature and All things in the sea, underneath the earth and in d sea.

Your own Bible calls u a liar !!!!!!!!....u r contradicting your own bible

Barristter07:
The text said every creature SAYING

Do animals, stones or mountains talk ?



A lamb.

The same reason he is separated in Rev 5:3. Is Jesus in heaven or not ? I challenge you to answer



The text didn't say he received worship.

Before we go to number 2 first clarify why Jesus isn't part of every creature

freshboi88:
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Rev 5:13 -14 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Every creature and All things in the sea, underneath the earth and in d sea.

Your own Bible calls u a liar !!!!!!!!....u r contradicting your own bible

Am not contradicting at all, All I want you to answer is - Do animals talk?

Unless you want to tell me the verse is figurative. Which kills your point instantly

freshboi88:
Before we go to number 2 first clarify why Jesus isn't part of every creature

Revelation 5 also said he is not among those in heaven as well. If he is not part of creature is your interpretation,then let's also agree he is not among those in heaven

Barristter07:
You play yourself right into the net with that Psalms. Own goal

Psalm 89:6,7
6 For who in the skies can compare to Jehovah?+
Who among the sons of God+ is like Jehovah?
7 God is held in awe in the council* of holy ones;+

Jesus is also a Son of God. So can't be compared to Jehovah in anyway despite having his nature. Whatever applies to humans partaking of the Divine nature. Applies to Jesus Christ. They are all Sons of God

And come to think of it. Sons of God are created beings.

Heb 1:8 so how can a created Jesus be the exact representation of Gods being. This one no let u answer.

I will be scoring an own goal if u r answering my question and countering it.

freshboi88:
Heb 1:8 so how can a created Jesus be the exact representation of Gods being. This one no let u answer.

I will be scoring an own goal if u r answering my question and countering it.

The screenshot has helped you enough " spoken to us Through a Son "


Now Pay attention to that Psalms

NONE among the sons of God is like Jehovah

Is Jesus a son of God ?

Kindly answer!

Barristter07:
The screenshot has helped you enough " spoken to us Through a Son "


Now Pay attention to that Psalms

NONE among the sons of God is like Jehovah

Is Jesus a son of God ?

Kindly answer!

@freshboi88
Is Jesus a son of God?

Barristter07:
Revelation 5 also said he is not among those in heaven as well. If he is not part of creature is your interpretation,then let's also agree he is not among those in heaven

Hahahahahahaha.....Isn't this hilarious.

Animals, humans and other spirit beings belong to all creation except for Jehovah and the lamb (Jesus).

Why is Jesus not part of all creation. ? This one is doing biblical gymnastics.

freshboi88:
Hahahahahahaha.....Isn't this hilarious.

Animals, humans and other spirit beings belong to all creation except for Jehovah and the lamb (Jesus).


Why is Jesus not part of all creation. ? This one is doing biblical gymnastics.

That text itself defeat you, as animals can't even talk. And the worse part is in response to the bold , why is Jesus not part of those in heaven as well ?

Barristter07:
The screenshot has helped you enough " spoken to us Through a Son "


Now Pay attention to that Psalms

NONE among the sons of God is like Jehovah

Is Jesus a son of God ?

Kindly answer!

By his son not by a son
Hebrews 1:2 ►

New International Version
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

New Living Translation
And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

English Standard Version
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

Berean Study Bible
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Berean Literal Bible
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages,

King James Bible
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

New King James Version
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

New American Standard Bible
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

haddeylium:
@freshboi88
Is Jesus a son of God?

He

Jesus is the only begotten son of God

Only

Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18). ... The mortal life of Jesus Christ began when He was born in Bethlehem.

The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

It’s this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn’t God; i.e., that Jesus isn’t equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham’s "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God’s Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God’s sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

Bishopkingsley:
By his son not by a son
Hebrews 1:2 ►

New International Version
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

New Living Translation
And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

English Standard Version
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

Berean Study Bible
But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

Berean Literal Bible
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the ages,

King James Bible
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

New King James Version
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

New American Standard Bible
in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

New Heart English Bible " by A Son "

You know why your point is pure dust ? " His" does not appear in that text. All that is there is son

Explaining that Greek word, Strong's says


" hyiós – properly, a son (by birth or adoption);"

Bishopkingsley:
He

Jesus is the only begotten son of God

Only

Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18). ... The mortal life of Jesus Christ began when He was born in Bethlehem.

So, in all these

Is Jesus a Son of God?

haddeylium:
@freshboi88
Is Jesus a son of God?

NO He is not!
He is the only begotten Son of God so forget about the word "SON" because he is not a son!

I don't know why you guys aren't getting this simple thing, is it simply because you want to conquer the world? 1John 5:5

haddeylium:
@freshboi88
Is Jesus a son of God?

Yes...only Begotten Son

He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,

So how can a created being be the exact representation of Jehovah's being ?

Do u know why I am laughing at u.cos whatever u want to prove....it will backfire

Because u will only end of proving that your NWT it's contradicting itself....hhahahah.....so go ahead bring it on

Barristter07:
New Heart English Bible " by A Son "

You know why your point is pure dust ? " His" does not appear in that text. All that is there is son

Explaining that Greek word, Strong's says


" hyiós – properly, a son (by birth or adoption);"

Some maybe using the Greek interliner of evil JW to translate here for you even when they show you others was added to your Bible you ran away from condemning your Bible

I am not your fake Greek interliner JW translation am using proper translation both good ones translated it says his son so

Since you refuse to run away when shown to you where new world translation added others to your Bible

It shows no translation can make you feel happy unless it from the devil new world translation

His son

Or is Jesus any one's son

Answer the question with your soul

So in a nutshell Jesus is one of God's Sons!

Lóbátán!

freshboi88:
Yes...only Begotten Son
He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,
So how can a created being be the exact representation of Jehovah's being ?

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell Jesus is one of God's Sons!

Lóbátán!

Dnt be smarter than your shadow think first.

NWT
Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,

So why does your Bible say Jesus is the exact representation of Gods being ?

Do u agree that the NWT is contradicting itself and has shown that it is a perverted scripture, satan's LovePeddler ?

There is no one

No other sons
Only Jesus is from Jehovah

Second person in Trinity

As long as you worship devil cult

And this teaching we will rotate on this issue up and down till eternity

Solution

The last day will show who you will worship
.
We shall see if it Jesus will kneel down to worship another spirit

Or if every living thing will worship Jesus as God Almighty

Barristter07:
That text itself defeat you, as animals can't even talk. And the worse part is in response to the bold , why is Jesus not part of those in heaven as well ?

Firstly this text doesn't say animals can't talk...u r making that up...Has God made animals talk in the Bible ?

Where does it say Jesus is not heaven. I am still looking for it.

Tap dancing....oga u no get answer

This is from your own perverted NWT

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Biblical gymnastics master

Bishopkingsley:
Some maybe using the Greek interliner of evil JW to translate here for you even when they show you others was added to your Bible you ran away from condemning your Bible

I am not your fake Greek interliner JW translation am using proper translation both good ones translated it says his son so

Since you refuse to run away when shown to you where new world translation added others to your Bible

It shows no translation can make you feel happy unless it from the devil new world translation

His son

Or is Jesus any one's son

Answer the question with your soul

You have no point . Jesus is a Son of God. Correct
And no son is like Jehovah

freshboi88:
Firstly this text doesn't say animals can't talk...u r making that up...Has God made animals talk in the Bible ?

Where does it say Jesus is not heaven. I am still looking for it.

Tap dancing....oga u no get answer


13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

Biblical gymnastics master

Mr animals talk by miracle. Guy it said " things " which include stones, Lead, coal, Gold . All of them talk . You are yarning dust

As for Jesus not being in heaven Revelation 5:3 is there for you now

Don't you read? Do you agree with the same text that Jesus is not among those in heaven ?

Barristter07:
You have no point . Jesus is a Son of God. Correct
And no son is like Jehovah

You would have been correct. Except that your new world translation calls u a liar

NWT
He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,+

So it's either u r lying or u agree the NWT is contradicting itself and as such shows itself to be a perverted scripture

Barristter07:
Mr animals talk by miracle. Guy it said " things " which include stones, Lead, coal, Gold . All of them talk . You are yarning dust

As for Jesus not being in heaven Revelation 5:3 is there for you now

Don't you read? Do you agree with the same text that Jesus is not among those in heaven ?

Show me with the text............show me in scripture. Dnt tell me what u think nah.

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them , saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

@bold Your Bible says they do........argue that with your Bible not me....no be me put am there

If it your Bible didn't wanted to capture only intelligent creatures y did it say all things ?

If Jesus is not in heaven then the one sitting on he throne isn't in heaven too

freshboi88:
You would have been correct. Except that your new world translation calls u a liar

NWT
He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,+

So it's either u r lying or u agree the NWT is contradicting itself and as such shows itself to be a perverted scripture

Does being called an Exact representation remove him as " Son " ?

In fact !!! Your representation is someone that came out of you. Someone you created! Your image. Jesus is a creation .

freshboi88:
Show me with the text............show me in scripture. Dnt tell me what u think nah.

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them , saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

@bold Your Bible says they do........argue that with your Bible not me....no be me put am there

If it your Bible didn't wanted to capture only intelligent creatures y did it say all things ?

O boy, you now want to turn illogical,

The bible didn't say they do , Revelation said from start that some expressions are Figurative . You didn't listen . Gold, silver, sand and stones do not talk. It's left for you to think

Barristter07:
Does being called an Exact representation remove him as " Son " ?

In fact !!! Your representation is someone that came out of you. Someone you created! Your image. Jesus is a creation .

But u just said none of the sons of God is like God. Y r u contradicting yourself

Barristter07:
O boy, you now want to turn illogical,

The bible didn't say they do , Revelation said from start that some expressions are Figurative . You didn't listen . Gold, silver, sand and stones do not talk. It's left for you to think

U don enter figurative expression....hahahahahaha......wetin we no go hear.

Again if the Bible wanted to capture intelligent beings....y didn't your translation just put it there nah.....answer nah