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freshboi88:
But u just said none of the sons of God is like God. Y r u contradicting yourself

freshboi88:
Yes...only Begotten Son

MaxInDHouse:
NO He is not!
He is the only begotten Son of God so forget about the word "SON" because he is not a son!

I don't know why you guys aren't getting this simple thing, is it simply because you want to conquer the world? 1John 5:5

freshboi88:
U don enter figurative expression....hahahahahaha......wetin we no go hear.

Again if the Bible wanted to capture intelligent beings....y didn't your translation just put it there nah.....answer nah

Barristter07:
Guy , Rest. We both know things don't talk.

haddeylium:
Good boy!
The Bible called Isaac the only-begotten son of Abraham(Heb 11:17)
Does that means Isaac is not Abraham's son?
Or Abraham and Isaac are the same person?
What kind of low-witted people are these? Atleast you're passing off as comic relief.

If your understanding of english is established, you won't be playing 'Begotten' card if you understand it

The word “begotten” is used many times in the Bible and it means the same thing every time “given birth to” , “produced"
Since God does not give birth to being by reproduction. He did that by creation.
YES! Jesus is the only-begotten son God
He's only being created by God directly.

Barristter07:
I didn't contradict- Jesus is a son, I only emphasize that an exact representation came from you. Your image and your creation. If Jesus wasn't created, he won't be a representation of someone else


The Father is Not a representation of anyone,because nobody created him!!!!


I love this new building wey we enter

haddeylium:

freshboi88:

I have made a meal out of the verse. Nd turn it against him with the truth of that scripture. N now his mouth is wide open with flies going in and out as they please

DappaD:
Why do you like to interfere in what doesn’t concern you? Was I talking to or about you?

freshboi88:

What did I tell u guys they will dodge the question.
I quoted your own transportation
1. Why is Jesus separated from every creature. Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach
2. Why does he receive the same glory, honour, praise, worship, blessing that is given to Jehovah. Your own Bible says so.
These are the questions u are meant to answer not tap dancing and trying to deviate.
Can u provide the answers now

DappaD:
1. What do you mean by this statement? “Is he not supposed to be part of every creature as u guys teach” ?
Has Colossians 1:15 not be sufficient enough for this already?
Jesus being called the firstborn of all creation. is straightforward. It means he is also part of creation. Whereas Jehovah is the only One without a beginning. Psalm 93:2

When God told the Israelites to sanctify the firstborn of the all living things (Numbers 18:15) which included their sons, are we saying that the firstborns of the Israelites are not Israelites themselves? So if Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the firstborn of every creation, doesn’t it mean that Jesus is also a creation himself?


2. OK then you’ll have to explain to us why God told the Israelites that they would receive praise and honor and glory as they stood out from the nations around them. Deuteronomy 26:19
Does it mean that they now held status of God too since they would receive glory and honor?

freshboi88:
Dnt be smarter than your shadow think first.
NWT
Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory+ and the exact representation of his very being,
So why does your Bible say Jesus is the exact representation of Gods being ?
Do u agree that the NWT is contradicting itself and has shown that it is a perverted scripture, satan's LovePeddler ?

MaxInDHouse:
All these are SUPER STORY, the first thing is that Jesus is God's Son so whether you like it or not he still remains one of God's Sons!

freshboi88:

Very weak ! Trying to deviate from the question and drag the conversation to something else
Phyton dancing...hahahaha
You guys are the ones that interpret that to mean that he is created. Trinity teaches that Jesus is God so is not created.
So going by your interpretation and doctrine.
Can u answer the question.
1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving blessing, glory, praise and worship that is given to Jehovah
NWT
13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.
Until u provide answer, no deviation

DappaD:
According to you, my surmise is weak yet you couldn’t counter my points, instead you had to repeat the questions like a broken record? The questions have been sufficiently answered. All you have to do is bring up a rebuttal. Helloooo, that’s how debates work if you haven’t noticed. It’s also obvious that clear reasoning doesn’t work on you so why bother myself any longer.

freshboi88:
So if nobody created Jehovah and he is infinite... how can a finite creature be the exact representation of his infinite being ?

Nah pepper soup u enter so....nah boil u go boil for inside

freshboi88:
Your sense no big pass that of groundnut seed. I ask u question u no answered.
Where were dey answered
Oga provide answer jhoor....u dey use question answer question.
1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature ? Rev 5: 13-14
2. Why does Jesus receive the worship, praise, glory, blessing, honor that is given to Jehovah.
Provide the answer or shut up n wail with your father the devil

freshboi88:
That one is for u to argue with your Bible

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

See as oga they fight with scripture. Dey argue with me like say nah me write Bible........

This your arguement is between u and scripture not u and I.

Nah wetin Bible talk I dey follow.....u for follow your elders o but nah Bible be our standard last last

Having said that u still haven't answered the question.

Why is Jesus not part of the created things

freshboi88:
Boy u r fighting with yourself...
So why does your new world translation say Jesus is the exact representation of Jehovahs being. How can a created finite being be the exact representation of an infinite being.........??
It's not adding up nah

freshboi88:
Your sense no big pass that of groundnut seed. I ask u question u no answered.

Where were dey answered

Oga provide answer jhoor....u dey use question answer question.

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creature ? Rev 5: 13-14

2. Why does Jesus receive the worship, praise, glory, blessing, honor that is given to Jehovah.

Provide the answer or shut up n wail with your father the devil

Barristter07:
This is the meaning of representation

an artistic likeness or image

Seth was called the exact representation of Adam remember ? Simple . Seth comes from him

That designation simply means God created him as his very own likeness.

achorladey:
The bold is enough

Personification does prove personality for Jesus but not for HOLY SPIRIT

The standard here is PERSONIFICATION does not prove personality

Your yes nau tells me the kind of standard used by the organization you belong.

Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter several times, Matthew 26:31-35. 16:13-17..... Janosky


Here is the insight book again......

It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a “helper” and spoke of such helper as ‘teaching,’ ‘bearing witness,’ ‘giving evidence,’ ‘guiding,’ ‘speaking,’ ‘hearing,’ and ‘receiving.’ In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the masculine personal pronoun to that “helper” (paraclete). (Compare Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15.)

Now look at the last scripture cited as it sit well with your question up there John 16:7 - 15

have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

How will the helper deliver what Jesus required without conversing with Jesus going by the words used by Jesus himself?

Achorladey brain no dey where God put am.

achorladey:
[s]Two references from the organization you belong of which you cannot say it does not belong to them. Here it is again below and this time explain the second reference material which states holy spirit is God's power in action, his active force

Holy spirit is not Jehovah’s power

Holy spirit is God's power

Or the God is not Jehovah


Power as defined by the insight books says the capacity to do things.

Does Jehovah use his ACTIVE FORCE to do things?

A. Yes

B. No

Na today I know you. You that say evidence na false claim and lies even before I present am. Pe le tie[/s].

freshboi88:
Already thrashed this now......like a boss is greater than his employee. Does that make him more human than his employee.......

Una no get sense walai

Barristter07:
Whose disposal would the angels be on Earth ? If he can control them, that's power to command. ?

Thankfully, Gave up everything never appear in the texts. You lied.

Emusan:
Lying liar! Does that mean to command them from heaven?

Anyway, Barristters are known for lying profession



Just as CREATING ALL OTHER THINGS never appeared in the texts

Barristter07:
New Heart English Bible " by A Son "

You know why your point is pure dust ? " His" does not appear in that text. All that is there is son

Explaining that Greek word, Strong's says


" hyiós – properly, a son (by birth or adoption);"

Bishopkingsley:
No

That is not a barrister remember JW don't go to school

They don't have lawyers or doctors in their mist

They only have people who will build things for them

Since they don't believe Jesus is preparing anew earth for us

Bishopkingsley:
This is where trinity is clearly shown from Jesus mouth

Matthew 28:19 ►
New International Version
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

New Living Translation
Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

English Standard Version
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore having gone, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Emusan:
Now he has jumped to another translation but when this translation goes against him in another place, he will enter ghost mode

New Heart English Bible is more accurate than your perverted NWT now

Does the word OTHER appear in Col 1:16-18 text?

You hypocrite can call other translations out for inserting word not found in manuscript but will never call your demonic organization out when does the same thing.

haddeylium:
If you mean Living.christ
I remember oo
Doubt if he has recovered from it