Kobojunkie:
1. Here's an easy one... This same teaching as far as faith, love, giving, Understanding ,etc., - the law in the Kingdom of God.

So you are saying there is also an initial deposit of faith, love,giving, "ability" and so on also right?

2. Subsequent understanding will cause your minds eyes to be opened and engaged so you can better hear and see that which He wants you to and be engaged in the way He desires for you to be, not as you used to engage when your mind was formerly closed to Him and His Truth.

That hasn't still answered the question.
Are subsequent understandings just given without any act of actively engaging one's mind in thinking through what one is reading?
Or is it the case that,one gets a better understanding of what one is actively engaging with,when one as already yielded to Christ?

jamesid29:

1. So you are saying there is also an initial deposit of faith, love,giving, " gift", "abilities" and so on also right?

2. That hasn't still answered the question.
Are subsequent understandings just given without any act of actively engaging one's mind in thinking through what one is reading?
Or is it the case that,one gets a better understanding of what one is actively engaging with,when one as already yielded to Christ?

1. That's what Jesus Christ said and I can attest to it being the case from my experience.

2. It is like I tried to explain earlier... subsequent understandings are just fed directly into your mind without your needing to first engage your mind or think on these things for yourself or even read these things for yourself first. If He needs to read, He will guide you to what you should read then. Soon long as you obey Him, He will do as He promised.

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Around this time last September, on one fateful afternoon, I suddenly got new information revealed to me about the Kingdom of God - new Understanding was downloaded straight to my mind from Him. It was as though scales dropped from my mind's eyes and i could suddenly see what I had missed for so long - light bulbs went on connecting previously disconnected ideas that seemed unrelated until that moment. It was of course not the first time such a thing had occurred to me, only on this particular reveal shook me at my core. I didn't even begin to imagine anyway I could have known of what was revealed.

The thought of what came on me had never really crossed my mind, nor had i ever wondered about it since the only exposure I had to the topic, up until that point, where the as it turned out, lies I had mostly heard from the mouth of Mogs and Pastors.

Nothing could have prepared me for what was revealed to me on that day and I spent many weeks after, in shock of what it was. I rummaged through scripture looking to find an answer to maybe give me leverage of some sort. I was mad at God for not letting me know of it sooner but at the same time I knew I was to blame for my ignorance. I have come to hate the lies of Mogs, all of them false teachers and prophets, with a passion since that particular reveal.

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God Himself will prepare you for the understanding He will give you. All he wants is for you to obey and He will take care of the rest. That is really how it works..just as it is written. I can attest to this too.

First, the reason they don't understand what Jesus was relaxing to them was because of their heart

Matt.13.15 [b]For this people's heart is waxed gross, [/b]and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. (KJV)

Kobojunkie:
1. That's what Jesus Christ said and I can attest to it being the case from my experience.

2. It is like I tried to explain earlier... subsequent understandings are just fed directly into your mind without your needing to first engage your mind or think on these things for yourself or even read these things for yourself first. If He needs to read, He will guide you to what you should read then. Soon long as you obey Him, He will do as He promised.

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Around this time last September, on one fateful afternoon, I suddenly got new information revealed to me about the Kingdom of God - new Understanding was downloaded straight to my mind from Him. It was as though scales dropped from my mind's eyes and i could suddenly see what I had missed for so long - light bulbs went on connecting previously disconnected ideas that seemed unrelated until that moment. It was of course not the first time such a thing had occurred to me, only on this particular reveal shook me at my core. I didn't even begin to imagine anyway I could have known of what was revealed.

The thought of what came on me had never really crossed my mind, nor had i ever wondered about it since the only exposure I had to the topic, up until that point, where the as it turned out, lies I had mostly heard from the mouth of Mogs and Pastors.

Nothing could have prepared me for what was revealed to me on that day and I spent many weeks after, in shock of what it was. I rummaged through scripture looking to find an answer to maybe give me leverage of some sort. I was mad at God for not letting me know of it sooner but at the same time I knew I was to blame for my ignorance. I have come to hate the lies of Mogs, all of them false teachers and prophets, with a passion since that particular reveal.

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God Himself will prepare you for the understanding He will give you. All he wants is for you to obey and He will take care of the rest. That is really how it works..just as it is written. I can attest to this too.

Sorry, I didn't reply sooner. Was a bit distracted this past couple of days.
So back to our conversation, if you are still interested.

Kobojunkie:
1. That's what Jesus Christ said and I can attest to it being the case from my experience.

Well, that wasn't really what Jesus said but rather what you inferred from what He said, I believe.
Ofcourse that doesn't mean you are wrong but without any methodology for interpretation, there's no way of judging if you're interpretation is correct or not. And once we get down that road of inference, it already means we are engaging our minds in trying to understand the text, don't you agree?

But not to bother too much on that, I find your story quite fascinating. But I have 2 quick questions

1) The initial deposit of understanding, does it come before one has become a believer or does it come after?

2) If God's goal was to primarily download information into our heads, then what was the purpose of given us written documents of the old testament and the Gospels? I mean, we don't have only one gospel but we have four(that's a lot of biography for any historical figure).

jamesid29:

Sorry, I didn't reply sooner. Was a bit distracted this past couple of days.
So back to our conversation, if you are still interested.

Well, that wasn't really what Jesus said but rather what you inferred from what He said, I believe.
Ofcourse that doesn't mean you are wrong but without any methodology for interpretation, there's no way of judging if you're interpretation is correct or not. And once we get down that road of inference, it already means we are engaging our minds in trying to understand the text, don't you agree?

But not to bother too much on that, I find your story quite fascinating. But I have 2 quick questions

1) The initial deposit of understanding, does it come before one has become a believer or does it come after?

2) If God's goal was to primarily download information into our heads, then what was the purpose of given us written documents of the old testament and the Gospels? I mean, we don't have only one gospel but we have four(that's a lot of biography for any historical figure).

That is what Jesus Christ explained to you via the Parable of 10 talents and the Parable of 10 Minas... an initial deposit was made by the Master to His servants before His departure to a distant land.

There is no methodology for interpretation necessary as Jesus Christ was quite clear that you use what you already have... no special magic necessary - in order to obtain more.

1. According to the story told us by Jesus Christ, the deposit is made by the Master to all of His servants, so it is not made clear whether it comes before one becomes a believer or afterwards.

2. The answer to that question is right there in Matthew 13 vs 10 - 17. What is written down for us in all the 4 Gospels combined are the details of the New Covenant Law and agreement which Jesus Christ came to deliver to Israel, with which the nations of ghe world have in turn been blessed with. What you read of in the Gospels are the terms and agreements of that Law /Contract as it applies to all those who exists in the Kingdom of God. The understanding that one obtains from a download is information that ties up the many loose ends and answers every question one may have or think of pertaining to the Kingdom of God. That information is key in understanding such things as what it means to be a citizen of the Kingdom, how to use the Law and promises to one's benefits, what is expected of one, etc.,.

Paul wrote down, this to a mostly Jewish Christian audience mind you, what he obtained from his own downloads. The other disciples also wrote in their epistles the much they could from their own downloads, trying hard not to add to or remove from it in any way or form.

The same data and more is available to each and everyone who follower of Jesus Christ.... we are each able to access the same information that Paul and all the others also had access to... without all the errors and contradiction included over time, straight from the Source Himself. This way we can even compare the Truth as revealed through these downloads with the experiences and views expressed by the apostles in their letters.

Kobojunkie:
That is what Jesus Christ explained to you via the Parable of 10 talents and the Parable of 10 Minas... an initial deposit was made by the Master to His servants before His departure to a distant land.

Could you kindly show where Jesus explained that the parable of the 10 talents must mean an initial deposit of understanding. Or is it an inference you made?
Secondly, how do you understand the parable of the 10virgins from the same chapter?

1. According to the story told us by Jesus Christ, the deposit is made by the Master to all of His servants, so it is not made clear whether it comes before one becomes a believer or afterwards.

If the initial deposit is given to only His servants, wouldn't that imply that it is only given after one has chosen to become a servant?

2. The answer to that question is right there in Matthew 13 vs 10 - 17. What is written down for us in all the 4 Gospels combined are the details of the New Covenant Law and agreement which Jesus Christ came to deliver to Israel, with which the nations of ghe world have in turn been blessed with. What you read of in the Gospels are the terms and agreements of that Law /Contract as it applies to all those who exists in the Kingdom of God. The understanding that one obtains from a download is information that ties up the many loose ends and answers every question one may have or think of pertaining to the Kingdom of God. That information is key in understanding such things as what it means to be a citizen of the Kingdom, how to use the Law and promises to one's benefits, what is expected of one, etc.,.

Fair point but I have a couple of issues with it

Why isn't the terms of the Convenant downloaded into the minds of believers. Why exclude the most vital aspect of this new Convenant. You used to quote Jeremiah 31:31-34 as an aspect of the new Convenant. How does this square with what you wrote above?

If the Gospels were primarily about the terms of the Contract/Convenant, why then do we have the infancy stories, the healing and casting out narratives,the walking on water and so on? Those don't sound like terms and conditions of a contract and are not usually found in one. Of what role do they play in the narratives?

Paul wrote down, this to a mostly Jewish Christian audience mind you, what he obtained from his own downloads. The other disciples also wrote in their epistles the much they could from their own downloads, trying hard not to add to or remove from it in any way or form.

Fair point. But if the apostles expected everyone to get these downloads, why write all these letters to the communities in the first place?

The same data and more is available to each and everyone who follower of Jesus Christ.... we are each able to access the same information that Paul and all the others also had access to... without all the errors and contradiction included over time, straight from the Source Himself. This way we can even compare the Truth as revealed through these downloads with the experiences and views expressed by the apostles in their letters.

How do we objectively compare these downloads to know which ones are true and which ones are made up. 10 different people can have 10 different downloads that are irreconcilable with each other.

For example some people say Jesus is God, some say He is an angel, Some say He was purely a mere man and others say He is something else. Every one of them can make a claim to special revelation and lived experience.
How do we square these radically different views to know which is true and which is false?

jamesid29:

1. Could you kindly show where Jesus explained that the parable of the 10 talents must mean an initial deposit of understanding. Or is it an inference you made?

If the initial deposit is given to only His servants, wouldn't that imply that it is only given after one has chosen to become a servant?

2. Secondly, how do you understand the parable of the 10virgins from the same chapter?

Fair point but I have a couple of issues with it

3. Why isn't the terms of the Convenant downloaded into the minds of believers. Why exclude the most vital aspect of this new Convenant. You used to quote Jeremiah 31:31-34 as an aspect of the new Convenant. How does this square with what you wrote above?

If the Gospels were primarily about the terms of the Contract/Convenant, why then do we have the infancy stories, the healing and casting out narratives,the walking on water and so on? Those don't sound like terms and conditions of a contract and are not usually found in one. Of what role do they play in the narratives?

4. Fair point. But if the apostles expected everyone to get these downloads, why write all these letters to the communities in the first place?

5. How do we objectively compare these downloads to know which ones are true and which ones are made up. 10 different people can have 10 different downloads that are irreconcilable with each other.

For example some people say Jesus is God, some say He is an angel, Some say He was purely a mere man and others say He is something else. Every one of them can make a claim to special revelation and lived experience.
How do we square these radically different views to know which is true and which is false?

1. Matthew 25 vs 14 -15 & Luke 19 vs 12 - 14. About the deposits, I don't know exactly when it is given. Whether it is is given when you first believe or after you are saved .I.e. made it through one of the gated of the Kingdom - Matthew 7 vs 13 -14

2. Parable of 10 virgins connects with the content found in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 instead.

3. Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34 Speaks of the New Covenant Law which is what is written out in the Gospels for us. In much the same way the Book 0f the Law of Moses contains stories of the creation, how God chose the Israelites, their journey from Egypt to Canaan, the details of the Law itself, so also the Gospels provide us with a full take on Jesus Christ and the Law that He is the embodiment of.

The downloads tie up the different parts and reveals the mysteries of the Kingdom that are not easily grasped by simply reading.

Heres an example of what I got from one recently. Did you know that the purpose of salvation is to give us redemption not from sin but from the condemnation of Sin, the curse that God placed on man and woman in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19 - no one who lives in submission to the curse will enter into God’s Kingdom of Heaven. For example, anyone who believes in Jesus Christ, but still works for food that spoils as stated in the curse will never see God. Jesus Christ prescribed an alternative in John 6 vs 25 - 33.

4. The apostles have nothing to do with the downloads. They got what they did and probably tried to share the information like I try to do myself but those who are blind cannot be forced to see what they do not want to see or understand.

5. You really don't need to ask me this. All you have to do is start doing as Jesus Christ commands and you can learn for yourself how the good things God gives cannot be corrupted by the lies of men.