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Empiree:
so how's this yourself business? If this Hadith gives you joy, them I have Quranic verse for you.

"Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you unless you follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." If you are to follow their desires after the knowledge which had reached you, then would you find neither Protector nor helper against Allah. "Q2:120. So your mission will continue to fail

(QURAN 3:103) Hold fast together to the cable of Allah, and be not divided. Remember the blessing that Allah bestowed upon you: ...

The above is an instruction allah supposedly gave mohammed to the ummah; it is not a prophecy. That allah said ‘thou shall not kill’ doesn’t mean Muslims/people are not killing themselves. There is a different between instruction and a prophecy. The quranic verse you provided was an admonition/instruction/advice and never a prophetic statement.

Mohammed was prophesying her when he said:

My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?”He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”
- Jam'i at-Tirmidhi 40/2641

Read the ayah you provide and reconcile it with the hadith above. I can’t be teaching you Islam.

true2god:
(QURAN 3:103) Hold fast together to the cable of Allah, and be not divided. Remember the blessing that Allah bestowed upon you: ...

The above is an instruction allah supposedly gave mohammed to the ummah; it is not a prophecy. That allah said ‘thou shall not kill’ doesn’t mean Muslims/people are not killing themselves. There is a different between instruction and a prophecy. The quranic verse you provided was an admonition/instruction/advice and never a prophetic statement.

Mohammed was prophesying her when he said:

My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?”He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”
- Jam'i at-Tirmidhi 40/2641

Read the ayah you provide and reconcile it with the hadith above. I can’t be teaching you Islam.

since you know better kindly tell us which of the groups of Muslims is going to paradise and which of the 73 sects that don't follow prophet and his companions?.

advocatejare:
Babaheekmat do you agree with your brother that Ahmadiyyas, Shias, Sufis etc are all muslims?

When will you get sense?

advocatejare:
Babaheekmat do you agree with your brother that Ahmadiyyas, Shias, Sufis etc are all muslims?

Even blind people for this forum knows that these Kufar ain't my brothers


They're yours. You are exactly the same thing

advocatejare:
Muslims are always quick to say that a Muslim is someone who submits to Allah.

But


Sunnis say that Shias are not Muslims, Shia say that Sunnis are not Muslims even though they both submit to the same Allah and they claim that Islam means submission to Allah.

Who then is a Muslim according to the Qur'an or authentic ahadith?

Why are sunnis and Shias always claiming that neither is a Muslim?

You can't understand. Sense is far from you.

Was shia existing during the era of prophet Muhammad?

Shia do not believe in Quran and they have sperate Hadith..

This topic is dead on arrival

advocatejare:
Was the Quran compiled as a book like you have it today during the time of Muhammad?

Did the Quran have diacritical marks during the time of Muhammad? Why do you have diacritical marks in your Quran today?


Shia believe in the Quran, it's just that they know that Uthman and Zaid manipulated the Quran and burnt the original Quran, Shias are not the first to challenge the authenticity of the Uthmanic version of the Quran.

Lemme teach you some sense
Muhammad died in 632 AD

Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.

The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.

During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)


As you can see, Muhammad didn't rebuke anyone reciting the Quran in any of the different dialects or ways it was revealed. Muhammad didn't standardize it into out dialect, Muhammad didn't say other dialect of revelation should be burnt. Why did Zaid burn the other manuscripts, why did he give you guys his own Quran which was different from the one Muhammad received?


But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.


So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa


So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.

And Muhammad was dead after the final compilation of the Quran was done and Muhammad was not alive to verify what was compiled but those Muhammad said he trusted their memories disagreed with the Quran that was compiled which further confirm that what was compiled was not what Muhammad claimed to have received.

Proof that the Quran is not complete and that it was not perfectly preserved, Ubai's recitation was not included


Apart from Ubai, they didn't compile the recitation of other people with good knowledge


Masud's recitation was not included and to tell you that the Quran compiled was not the original, Masud protested.



"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D.20years after Muhammad had died

Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received

WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?

If you ask a Muslim to bring a Quran he will bring out one of the 25 versions of the Quran

That means all the current Quran you have in the world today are fake because Usman destroyed all the other Qirats and gave you only one Qirat but 300 Years after, Ibn Mujahid synthesized the new 7 Qirats from nowhere and that's the source of the Quran you're reading today.

After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation.

The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran.

But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted.

The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.
In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.

Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's different one entirely.

Versions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Zc67FrpWU

Laughing

advocatejare:
Empiree, you see am now. Babaheekmat Saheed Adeshina has denied you, he said you are not a muslim.

Confused people always fighting one another

Does his opinion matters?. It only matters to you not the rest of the muslims. Which Muslims on this platform support his view/ideology since you know him?. The reason you support his position is because you have ulterior motives which he doesn't have sense to grab.

He's a plumber by profession (if he knows that at all) not student of Islamic knowledge.

Babaheekmat:
Laughing

why are you laughing?. Answer him now since you are the only Muslim. Let's see how knowledgeable and intelligent you are

Empiree:
why are you laughing?. Answer him now since you are the only Muslim. Let's see how knowledgeable and intelligent you are

Why would I answer a fool? The dude is so daft that simple thing he no fit understand.

The fool knows someone is a Kafir and he's seriously condemning a sahabah for killing a kafir

Laughing..

Can't waste my time on a Arrow

Empiree:
Does his opinion matters?. It only matters to you not the rest of the muslims. Which Muslims on this platform support his view/ideology since you know him?. The reason you support his position is because you have ulterior motives which he doesn't have sense to grab.

He's a plumber by profession (if he knows that at all) not student of Islamic knowledge.

Laughing... Baba oni jalabi.. ise wo le n se

true2god:
That means that only 1.7% of muslims are true muslims if only one out of 73 sect will be acceptable to allah. The salafis and the wahahis have already decleared that they are the 1.7% their prophet was talking about. So all the shia, the ahmadiyyas, the kwarajis, the Sufis, etc are wasting their time.

it doesn't change the fact that your Jesus is dead.