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“God Is Not Confused, Doesn’t Make Mistakes” – Pastor Adeboye Tells Transgenders

The General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, Pastor E.A Adeboye has reacted to the growing number of transgenders in the world.
The clergyman in a post shared on his Facebook page stated that God is not the author of confusion.

According to him, in the time of creation, God created humans in female and male, yet some people have decided to change their gender as if God did not know what he was doing

He further noted that God doesn’t make mistakes, while urging that they repent and begin to walk in the path of righteousness again.

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I don't even support transgenders anyway. To me it's just exuberance. But this man should just keep quiet already and leave God out of his lies and personal opinions. He has shown he doesn't know what he is talking about most times and it seems wisdom departed him a long time ago.

If God is not confused and doesn't make mistakes based on his definition, what about children born with both male and female genitals? Is that God's plan for them too? What about those born as she-males? What about men will very high estrogen levels and women with very high testosterone levels and babies with birth defects that need corrective surgery? We can't just explain everything away by claiming the way people are born is how God wants them to be.

This is what happens when people worship a man because they believe he talks to God when it's obvious he is just doing nairabet prophesies and declarations. He himself begins to believe he has some sort of special insights when he is just another helpless soul on earth fumbling around to understand his existence.

Yes, God does make mistakes.

The number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves this.

If god truly created humans and animals. Then the Hospital literally exists to fix gods mistakes.

Mr.Adeboye talking in the nonsense as usual.

Bacteriologist:
Yes, God does make mistakes.

The number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves this.

If god truly created humans and animals. Then the Hospital literally exists to fix gods mistakes.

Mr.Adeboye talking in the nonsense as usual.

It must require the height of ignorance not to know that the brains used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

If God gives you a perfect world and you turn into the disaster it currently is, it's completely irresponsible to blame God and not yourself for the outcome.

Bacteriologist:
Yes, God does make mistakes.

The number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves this.

If god truly created humans and animals. Then the Hospital literally exists to fix gods mistakes.

Mr.Adeboye talking in the nonsense as usual.

Exactly my point. It's probably why humans have been given the knowledge to fix these mistakes. But self-serving clowns like Adeboye just talk out of turn because they are not at the receiving end of some of these conditions. The same way he spoke without thinking when COVID started. The man's wisdom is declining with age.

The pastor is correct. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel has NEVER made a mistake. Innfact, everything He made was "good".
Genesis 1:31 (KJV)
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Followers of Christ cannot deny what is written in the Word of God...
regardless of how society may try to "re-vamp" it.

Being born a certain way and choosing to change something are two different things.


The problem lies in a sin corrupted world....where
1. A person can be mistakenly murdered.
2. A person can die on death row for a crime he/she didn't commit.
3. A baby could be born with a terminal illness (ex. cancer)
4. A person could be born with "2" genitals as was stated earlier in the thread
5. A person can be healthy all his/her life & still develop a terminal illness....
6. A person can be born into poverty or an impoverished nation....

Now deciding to "change" parts of oneself is a totally different thing. This was what Pastor Adeboye was speaking about....#1. Examples below...

1. Mutilating one's God-given organs (the male organ or female organ) that identify gender. )
2. Enhancing or creating one's breast --except for disease/illness reasons-- or buttocks
(Especially if born of an opposite gender)
3. Changing one's skin color to look more culturally "acceptable" (ex. bleaching)
4. Butchering one's nose to look more culturally "acceptable"
5. Continual dressing in attire that is opposite the sex one is born in etc.,

Sin affects people...because we simply were born into it. Deciding to change oneself in such dangerous and drastic ways, is saying that, "God somehow got it wrong....and didn't know what He was doing." The person then becomes a "god".

Sin covers a broad range of issues....(not just sexuality and abortion...as I always say). However, those "2" above mentioned, are the hot topics....regarding sin.
Clearly, whatever sex/gender one is born of, God clearly designed it to be...and it was no mistake...just as His creation of this galaxy was no mistake.
That is what Pastor Adeboye was saying...is what I think.

Eviana:
The pastor is correct. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel has NEVER made a mistake. Innfact, everything He made was "good".
Followers of Christ cannot deny what is written in the Word of God...
regardless of how society may try to "re-vamp" it.

Being born a certain way and choosing to change something are two different things.


The problem lies in a sin corrupted world....where
1. A person can be mistakenly murdered.
2. A person can die on death row for a crime he/she didn't commit.
3. A baby could be born with a terminal illness (ex. cancer)
4. A person could be born with "2" genitals as was stated earlier in the thread
5. A person can be healthy all his/her life & still develop a terminal illness....
6. A person can be born into poverty or an impoverished nation....

Now deciding to "change" parts of oneself is a totally different thing. This was what Pastor Adeboye was speaking about....#1. Examples below...

1. Mutilating one's God-given organs (the male organ or female organ) that identify gender. )
2. Enhancing or creating one's breast --except for disease/illness reasons-- or buttocks
(Especially if born of an opposite gender)
3. Changing one's skin color to look more culturally "acceptable" (ex. bleaching)
4. Butchering one's nose to look more culturally "acceptable"
5. Continual dressing in attire that is opposite the sex one is born in etc.,

Sin affects people...because we simply were born into it. Deciding to change oneself in such dangerous and drastic ways, is saying that, "God somehow got it wrong....and didn't know what He was doing." The person then becomes a "god".

Sin covers a broad range of issues....(not just sexuality and abortion...as I always say). However, those "2" above mentioned, are the hot topics....regarding sin.
Clearly, whatever sex/gender one is born of, God clearly designed it to be...and it was no mistake...just as His creation of this galaxy was no mistake.
That is what Pastor Adeboye was saying...is what I think.

I noticed you circumnavigated the issue of corrective surgeries for people born with both genitals and other defects. Are those corrective surgeries going against your definition of god too? I know being religious gives no room nuances and you just have to put things in clearly defined boxes but I am interested to see your reply to this.

Buliwyf:
I noticed you circumnavigated the issue of corrective surgeries for people born with both genitals and other defects. Are those corrective surgeries going against your definition of god too? I know being religious gives no room nuances and you just have to put things in clearly defined boxes but I am interested to see your reply to this.

Oh, I wasn't trying to circumnavigate anything.
Didn't think that was the main topic.
However, that (corrective "genital" surgery) would fall under the category of a medical situation. I would liken it to a cleft lip sort of thing.
Gender confusion would be a whole different thing for a hermaphrodite (a person born with "2" genitals) who didn't clearly have other strong features that would identify him/her as one gender over the other.
I have known of a few people who were hermaphrodites who clearly had strong enough features elsewhere on the body to know that he/she was a male or female...

I think he--Pastor Adeboye-- was speaking about people "choosing" to somewhat change their entire gender...

Eviana:
Oh, I wasn't trying to circumnavigate anything.
Didn't think that was the main topic.
However, that (corrective "genital" surgery) would fall under the category of a medical situation. I would liken it to a cleft lip sort of thing.
Gender confusion would be a whole different thing for a hermaphrodite (a person born with "2" genitals) who didn't clearly have other strong features that would identify him/her as one gender over the other.
I have known of a few people who were hermaphrodites who clearly had strong enough features elsewhere on the body to know that he/she was a male or female...

I think he--Pastor Adeboye-- was speaking about people "choosing" to somewhat change their entire gender...

I know what you mean. So here's a scenario for you.

We are discovering new human organs daily. So what if in the future due to advancement in scientific knowledge we discover that there is a whole way a woman's brain is wired and that the male brain is wired different. And then we discover that those transgenders have the opposite wiring in their brains which is why they usually want to do corrective gender surgeries, will you be willing to entertain the fact that being transgender is like being cleft-lipped?

PS: I am not in any way stating that the scenario I painted is actually what is happening right now if anything I doubt it is. I just believe that God should be left out of debates like this or else we run the risk of having an ever capricious god whose rules are shaped by ever-increasing knowledge and science.

Buliwyf:
I know what you mean. So here's a scenario for you.

We are discovering new human organs daily. So what if in the future due to advancement in scientific knowledge we discover that there is a whole way a woman's brain is wired and that the male brain is wired different. And then we discover that those transgenders have the opposite wiring in their brains which is why they usually want to do corrective gender surgeries, will you be willing to entertain the fact that being transgender is like being cleft-lipped?

PS: I am not in anyway stating that the scenario I painted is actually what is happening right now if anything I doubt it is. I just believe that God should be left out of debates like this or else we run the risk of having an ever capricious god whose rules are shaped by ever-increasing knowledge and science.

Hmmmm.....
Let me first say that I appreciate how you are conversing with me in a civil manner.
Ok....I also get what you are saying.

However, bcause someone "thinks" something, doesn't necessarily mean that it is reality.
We are creating a new world that omits God...."spirituality" or "religion" in a sense.
MODIFIED PORTION: For example, I can say that I believe I was meant to be short in height, and then endeavor to do so by getting my legs chopped down to achieve what I believe I am in my mind. I could find every method available, execute a surgery and put an imaginary height down on any paperwork requesting it, (in at attempt to convince myself), but that won't make it so. It was not my original...

As an adult, I'm honestly having difficulty with all of the terms...."trans-gender", "trans-sexual", "trans-vestite", fluid", "binary", "they" "them" etc...
I can only imagine the children, their confusion and I have an issue with that.

I don't understand how a "transgender's" mind is wired as a male or female (in a "wrong" gender) to the point that he/she would need surgery? Why would his/her mind be wired like that? What is the origin?
I can't, however, liken that to a cleft-surgery because to me, those are two different categories.

You, however, want science and religion to be separated. I understand.
My issue is that I don't know if by doing what you suggested in the last paragraph, that is a good thing.
Placing science above God is what I liken that to...and cannot accept. I do not know how to separate God from science.....in that He is the originator of "true" & "perfect" science.
You're saying, though, that it's not so black and white....
This is one of those respectfully "agreeing to disagree" situations.

Eviana:
Hmmmm.....
Let me first say that I appreciate how you are conversing with me in a civil manner.
Ok....I also get what you are saying.

Because someone "thinks" something, doesn't necessarily mean that it is reality.
We are creating a new world that omits God...."spirituality".
As an adult, I'm honestly having difficulty with all of the terms...."trans-gender", "trans-sexual", "trans-vestite", fluid", "binary", "they" "them" etc...
I can only imagine the children, their confusion and I have an issue with that.

I don't understand how a "transgender's" mind is wired as a male or female (in a "wrong" gender) to the point that he/she would need surgery? Why would his/her mind be wired like that? What is the origin?
I can't, however, liken that to a cleft-surgery because to me, those are two different categories.

You, however, want science and religion to be separated. I understand.
My issue is that I don't know if by doing what you suggested in the last paragraph, that is a good thing.
Placing science above God is what I liken that to...and cannot accept. I do not know how to separate God from science.....in that He is the originator of "true" & "perfect" science.
You're saying, though, that it's not so black and white....
This is one of those respectfully "agreeing to disagree" situations.

Exactly. It's not so black and white.
Most of us have never been in the shoes of these people so it's hard for us to understand why they feel that way. Maybe in the future all they will need is just a drug that cures the feeling. Who knows? Until such a time as that we must be careful not to solve problems with religious arguments. It hasn't worked out well in the past. Galileo is an example.

The problem with your claims about not placing science above God is that we don't all believe in the same gods. In every major really there are schisms and each groups in their religion have their own interpretation of the gods of that religion. So which gods and interpretation of gods should science respect and which should it not? And who determines that?

The best solution is to separate science from every notion of a god until it is established that a particular god is needed for some scientific breakthroughs.

jesusjnr2020:

It must require the height of ignorance not to know that brain used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

If God gives you a perfect world and you turn into the disaster it currently is, it's completely irresponsible to blame God and not yourself

Lool you have no idea how senseless the post above was.

It must require the height of ignorance not to know that brain used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Did you just stupidly imply that the brains of the surgeons are created by god but that of the little babies who get brain cancer, brain tumors and other terminal illnesses was created by man?

Do you have any grasp of how silly you sound because you're trying to credit your god with the good stuff but shift the blame of the bad stuff to man?



SMH


And Moreover......Why should I give a sh*t what the Bible says about anything? The same useless book also said that god regretted creating man...a.k.a god himself admitting he made a mistake in Gen 6:6. Obviously the buybull is a silly book that can be used to exonerate and knock down any damn thing. So quoting it in this discussion is entirely useless and unnecessary.

You, sir, have a warped sense of reasoning. And you need to take a seat and then think long and hard about why you say really stupid things such as the above.

Buliwyf:
Exactly. It's not so black and white.
Most of us have never been in the shoes of these people so it's hard for us to understand why they feel that way. Maybe in the future all they will need is just a drug that cures the feeling. Who knows? Until such a time as that we must be careful not to solve problems with religious arguments. It hasn't worked out well in the past. Galileo is an example.

The problem with your claims about not placing science above God is that we don't all believe in the same gods. In every major really there are schisms and each groups in their religion have their own interpretation of the gods of that religion. So which gods and interpretation of gods should science respect and which should it not? And who determines that?

The best solution is to separate science from every notion of a god until it is established that a particular god is needed for some scientific breakthroughs.

MODIFIED PORTION: You are correct.
My heart goes out to them...cause I can only imagine the struggles.
Thr only hope I can give, which is the best answer, is Christ Jesus.


About "gods", I figured that out in your earlier post.
I am coming from a Christian viewpoint...as you know.

If you are not a Christian, then this won't convict you.
I know Christianity does not hold the view by itself though.

Appreciate the convo.

This cleric should leave Transgenders alone. They ain't his problem.

Eviana:
I figured that out in your earlier post.
I am coming from a Christian viewpoint...as you know.

If you are not a Christian, then this won't convict you.
I know Christianity does not hold the view by itself though.

Appreciate the convo.

Appreciated.

Bacteriologist:
Yes, God does make mistakes.

God is incapable of making mistakes

Bacteriologist:
The number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves this.

None of the number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves nothing to make God culpable

Bacteriologist:
If god truly created humans and animals. Then the Hospital literally exists to fix gods mistakes.

Where from is the power, what is the source of the knowledge gained that the hospitals use in providing medical and surgical treatment and nursing care for sick or injured people?

Bacteriologist:
Mr. Adeboye talking in the nonsense as usual.

I am unable to disagree with this observation

Churchians, christians and narrow minded mOGs like Adeboye are hypocrites. If he has problems with some people who have decided to change their gender, why isnt the lambasting, those with Brazilian or straight hairs, those putting on fake nails etc as if God did not know what He was doing.

Alright

jesusjnr2020:
It must require the height of ignorance not to know that the brains used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

If God gives you a perfect world and you turn into the disaster it currently is, it's completely irresponsible to blame God and not yourself for the outcome.

Meaning you agree that what God created needed refixing by man.
If that is not mistake then I wonder what is.

Thanks to Doctors for salvaging premature births. For Caesarians sections. For blood transfusions. For tooth and brain surgeries. SS chidren, Leukamia patients, Etc
Not to talk of haemophrodites and Siamese twins.

Mind you several successful doctors don't believe in God but the efficacy of science.