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Goodvibes007:
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Nice try.

The Epoch Times is a far-right newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. Just cultists doing cultists things. This Anti China communist party paper is a lot useless than tissue paper in the USA.[/s]

Kush Patel is a Falun Gong member. Thanks I didn't know.
I do presume you don't ever listen to a priest unless you have vetted him to be a saint.

Enugurangers:
Cockroach. GV's post claimed that a fetus is same as an unborn baby. But cockroaches heads are filled with stinky and smelly puss, so it is not unsurprising to see you stinky cockroach post garbage as usual.

Obrigado ya donkey shut ya mouth ya addicted slug. get tha life. Ya and tha Goodvibes007 isa addicted nairaland junkie

God bless you buda for posing this article. People like benalvino3 don't care the negative impact of unwanted babies on women, families and society at large. They just want to satisfy their rabid thirst for revenge and punishment for sexual immorality.

A few months ago, I was late. You know what I mean: My usual period day came and went without a spot, and suddenly every wave of exhaustion, every twinge of anxious nausea, became a harbinger of a very unintended pregnancy, a sign that my NuvaRing had failed me. I’m married, happily at that. And I’m a mother, happily as well. But our family feels “complete,” as demographers put it, at one child. And so my husband and I had to make a choice—or so we thought, for a very tense week before my body made the choice for me. As we lay awake at night whispering pros and cons for continuing the pregnancy, stopping only when our daughter padded in to snuggle under our covers in the predawn hours, I wondered if our mere deliberating might call into question my soundness as a mother. If I, already happily immersed in parenting, chose to terminate, wouldn’t I be unusual for doing so, maybe even stigmatized as a sort of prenatal Medea?

I was wrong. Women who are already mothers have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. When Guttmacher Institute researchers last ran the numbers in 2008 they found that 61 percent of women who terminate a pregnancy in this country already have at least one child. That was before the recession, though—before the poverty rate rose to swallow 40.7 percent of women who head families, many of whom know they can’t afford another child.* So I asked the National Abortion Federation, a professional association of abortion providers, to run the numbers on the women visiting their clinics and calling their hotlines in the past few years. The resulting figures shocked NAF President Vicki Saporta, who called to tell me that every year since 2008, a whopping 72 percent of NAF clients looking to terminate a pregnancy were already mothers, up at least 10 percent from the years before the economy crashed.

But while the typical abortion patient is a mother, very few people seem to realize it. Lawrence Finer, Guttmacher’s director of domestic research, told me that this fact is “one of the most unknown and surprising statistics across the board.”* Guttmacher is trying to correct the public’s misperceptions with a YouTube PSA designed to show that women who have abortions aren’t necessarily who we think they are. But why are these misperceptions so skewed in the first place? Is the intersection of motherhood and abortion a minefield that activists choose not to navigate?

NAF’s Saporta told me she thinks anti-abortionists have successfully depicted women who choose to terminate a pregnancy as sexually indiscriminate. “It’s much harder to demonize the mother who is struggling to support the kid she already has,” she says. But then why doesn’t the group that she leads make this very point? “Good question—I think we should,” she replied. I also put the question to Gloria Feldt, the former longtime Planned Parenthood Federation of America president. “I believe the whole movement has made a terrible mistake,” she said, referring to the pro-choice movement’s decision to avoid talking about mothers’ motives for having abortions, and instead focus “on the less frequent reasons, which are rape and incest or teens who are simply not ready to be parents.”

For her part, Rachel Jones, a senior research associate at the Guttmacher Institute, thinks that public perceptions of who aborts and why are skewed mostly as a result of all the political heat around late-term abortions. and adolescent abortions (minors have only 7 percent of all abortions). In other words, she argues, mothers who abort are invisible not because anyone is conspiring to keep them that way, but because so much attention is focused on other women.

[b] But why do mothers have so many abortions in the first place? Jones co-authored a qualitative study titled “I Would Want To Give My Child, Like, Everything in the World: How Issues of Motherhood Influence Women Who Have Abortions,” which found that most mothers who abort say they are doing so to protect the kids they already have. As Jones points out, that rationale is tough to demonize politically, especially when you consider that most women making this choice are contending with some combination of low income, unemployment, and a lack of health insurance, or are struggling to raise kids on their own.

These are the kinds of stories Anne Baker hears daily across the little round table in her office at the St. Louis-area Hope Clinic for Women, where she has been counseling abortion seekers for 35 years. In 2008, the last year for which the clinic has available numbers, 62 percent of its patients were mothers. But Baker says the number of mothers coming in has swelled markedly since then, just as it did during the economic slowdown of the late ’70s, when she was first starting out at the clinic. She has compiled a list of 25 reasons mothers commonly give her for not having another child. By far the No. 1 reason is a desire to protect the families they already have. Most of the time, this calculus is an economic one, though Baker has also noted a growing number of women like me, women who are “less apologetic than they used to be about saying they’re a good mom and for them to continue to be a good mom, they choose to do it with one.”

Of course, when it comes to public opinion, it’s one thing for a mother to choose an abortion out of desperation, and another to do it out of preference. Feldt says the motivations behind a mother’s choice to terminate place her on a sliding scale of public opinion. Recalling her days polling voters at PPFA, she describes the American view of who gets to have an abortion like this: “The less in control of a woman’s life she is, the more the public supports her right to make that choice [to have an abortion]. The more she is in control of her life, saying this is the life I choose, the less people support it.” So if a mother who is destitute chooses to abort, we might accept her decision. But someone like me, who could support another child if only I moved to a less expensive ZIP code and got a job with a steadier paycheck? I’d be a moral pariah.

“It’s scandalous for white women like you and me,” Jennifer Baumgardner recently told me over coffee. When Baumgardner gathered women’s abortion testimonies for her book Abortion and Life, she had yet to terminate a pregnancy herself (on the book’s cover, she’s pictured pregnant with her second child). But when she subsequently found herself pregnant again, she chose to abort rather than have a third child. When we start talking about why the pro-choice movement hasn’t made mothers more of the story of abortion in America, Baumgardner rolls her eyes. “Women in the movement have this enormous disconnect between actual lives and what they believe in,” she says. “They’ll talk about other women but they think their own story can be used to undermine them.”

Is all this true, though? Is the stigma that attaches to abortion actually compounded if one makes this choice as a mother? Are we right to think that terminating a pregnancy after carrying another one successfully to term will undermine our standing not just as women but as good parents?

At the University of California-San Francisco, Kate Cockrill directs the Social and Emotional Aspects of Abortion Program, and is trying to measure sources of stigma. She has found that many mothers deliberately explain their choice to abort in the context of their motherhood, thinking that doing so will ward off judgment. “Motherhood is an assertion of their humanity,” Cockrill told me of women who fear condemnation, “and claiming their motherhood is part of managing the stigma of abortion.”

Still, Cockrill has found that once they have established social identities as mothers, many women will do everything they can to avoid tarnishing that identity. For example, she found women who had babies delivered by an OB-GYN refused to see that physician when they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy. “They wanted to be seen as a mother,” she said, “not an abortion patient.”

Corrections, Oct. 18, 2011: This article originally stated that 42 percent of women live in poverty. This statistic refers only to women who head families, and the correct percentage is 40.7, not 42 percent. (Return to the corrected sentence.) The article also misidentified Lawrence Finer as Larry. (Return to the current sentence.)
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/most-surprising-abortion-statistic-the-majority-of-women-who-terminate-pregnancies-are-already-mothers.html

The unspoken truth among gynocologists who perform abortion is that married women with children already perform more abortions than young single girls. Safe Abortion is so expensive in Nigeria that only the well to do can reasonable afford it. Most single girls can only afford quack back alley abortions which most of the time lead to complications or even death. Hypocritical religious nuts love to hide their head in the sand pretending the problem doesn't exist or just wish away the problem.

With the present economic realilities in Nigeria having a child must be well thought out and planned for. The religious mantra " God will take care of the pikin" is no longer tenable. School just started and most families are already stressed looking for school fees apart from New books, school bags, school sandals, etc.

benalvino3:
Lol, I observed as well.

That's what they do best. Biden never accepting responsibility in d real sense..had said he "inherited a Trump Afghanistan withdrawal plan" lol same Biden that reversed nearly all of Trump's policy with countless executive orders.

wirinet:
God bless you buda for posing this article. People like benalvino3 don't care the negative impact of unwanted babies on women, families and society at large. They just want to satisfy their rabid thirst for revenge and punishment for sexual immorality.


The unspoken truth among gynocologists who perform abortion is that married women with children already perform more abortions than young single girls. Safe Abortion is so expensive in Nigeria that only the well to do can reasonable afford it. Most single girls can only afford quack back alley abortions which most of the time lead to complications or even death. Hypocritical religious nuts love to hide their head in the sand pretending the problem doesn't exist or just wish away the problem.

With the present economic realilities in Nigeria having a child must be well thought out and planned for. The religious mantra " God will take care of the pikin" is no longer tenable. School just started and most families are already stressed looking for school fees apart from New books, school bags, school sandals, etc.

that's rubbish. how do you know if a baby will be a doctor, a criminal or a lawyer? unwanted babies are bad to the society so lets kill it all the criminals who are bad for the society as well. Oh wait, you cant do that... you people sha.

Goodvibes007:
The Nigerian government has gone mad again. As at the 16th of September, 1 dollar was trading for 565 to a naira. The FG decides to blame a reporting website for the cause depreciating naira instead of it's bad policies and corruption. What a very useless president they have in Nigeria.

The Aboki FX guys were savage in their response to the government.

The sarcasm in the circled paragraph, world class. LMAO

Video of Emefiele threatening the London based founder of Aboki FX. He said Aboki fx should come to CBN office in Abuja so that they can fight. Nigeria, the Ant of Africa.

Several other companies have now started posting rates. Is be going to shut them all down. Jokers we call leaders.

https://www.facebook.com/194146653930801/posts/4844879728857447/

benalvino3:
that's rubbish. how do you know if a baby will be a doctor, a criminal or a lawyer? unwanted babies are bad to the society so lets kill it all the criminals who are bad for the society as well. Oh wait, you cant do that... you people sha.

Might as well kill off the undesirables in the society. The elites then choose who lives and dies and who remains a serf.
Sounds racist to me.

wirinet:
God bless you buda for posing this article. People like benalvino3 don't care the negative impact of unwanted babies on women, families and society at large. They just want to satisfy their rabid thirst for revenge and punishment for sexual immorality.


The unspoken truth among gynocologists who perform abortion is that married women with children already perform more abortions than young single girls. Safe Abortion is so expensive in Nigeria that only the well to do can reasonable afford it. Most single girls can only afford quack back alley abortions which most of the time lead to complications or even death. Hypocritical religious nuts love to hide their head in the sand pretending the problem doesn't exist or just wish away the problem.

With the present economic realilities in Nigeria having a child must be well thought out and planned for. The religious mantra " God will take care of the pikin" is no longer tenable. School just started and most families are already stressed looking for school fees apart from New books, school bags, school sandals, etc.

School fees at good schools are insanely expensive.

basilico:
Might as well kill off the undesirables in the society. The elites then choose who lives and dies and who remains a serf.
Sounds racist to me.

The foolishness of this people is supernatural. Honestly. See what happened when George flyord was killed. A menace to society who put a gun in the belle of a pregnant woman.

benalvino3:
that's rubbish. how do you know if a baby will be a doctor, a criminal or a lawyer? unwanted babies are bad to the society so lets kill it all the criminals who are bad for the society as well. Oh wait, you cant do that... you people sha.

Why do you always appeal to emotion. The type of arguments you sometimes put out is what I expect to hear from an illiterate okada driver or farmer. I don't expect someone as educated as you purport to be to use the excuse of "you don't know if the pikin would become president" to have children you just can't cater for.

I know okada riders with 5 children living in a "face me I face you, and the wife is pregnant with a sixth. When I asked him why, his argument is the same as yours, only God knows what the children will become.
Sickening!

Tomorrow you will see the children (sometimes as young as carrying plantain on their heads roaming the streets.

Enugurangers:
School fees at good schools are insanely expensive.

Good schools ke? Any private school worth to be called a school has doubled its fees.
I have been having headache since my wife told me I much I must pay for my three children this term.

wirinet:
Why do you always appeal to emotion. The type of arguments you sometimes put out is what I expect to hear from an illiterate okada driver or farmer. I don't expect someone as educated as you purport to be to use the excuse of "you don't know if the pikin would become president" to have children you just can't cater for.

I know okada riders with 5 children living in a "face me I face you, and the wife is pregnant with a sixth. When I asked him why, his argument is the same as yours, only God knows what the children will become.
Sickening!

Tomorrow you will see the children (sometimes as young as carrying plantain on their heads roaming the streets.

They live in an alternative reality. A fantasy world to put it in layman's terms.

basilico:
Might as well kill off the undesirables in the society. The elites then choose who lives and dies and who remains a serf.
Sounds racist to me.

Man you like talking off point. What concern the elites with abortion debate. The elites will always be able to procure abortion whether banned or not. It's the poor masses that suffers the consequences of unwanted babies. They are the ones that born like rats.

wirinet:
Man you like talking off point. What concern the elites with abortion debate. The elites will always be able to procure abortion whether banned or not. It's the poor masses that suffers the consequences of unwanted babies. They are the ones that born like rats.

100 Percent true and the poverty cycle continues. Have kids like rats that they can't afford to give the best education and good standard of living.

You will see descent working class folks with 2 or 3 kids. They usually have 2 to 3 for a reason and have managed to keep it that way due to being able to afford good reproductive health options (abortion inclusive).

wirinet:
Why do you always appeal to emotion. The type of arguments you sometimes put out is what I expect to hear from an illiterate okada driver or farmer. I don't expect someone as educated as you purport to be to use the excuse of "you don't know if the pikin would become president" to have children you just can't cater for.

I know okada riders with 5 children living in a "face me I face you, and the wife is pregnant with a sixth. When I asked him why, his argument is the same as yours, only God knows what the children will become.
Sickening!

Tomorrow you will see the children (sometimes as young as carrying plantain on their heads roaming the streets.

What in my comment or argument can you refute?

obixcel:
That's what they do best. Biden never accepting responsibility in d real sense..had said he "inherited a Trump Afghanistan withdrawal plan" lol same Biden that reversed nearly all of Trump's policy with countless executive orders.

Its the cult of biden. They must deflect

benalvino3:
The foolishness of this people is supernatural. Honestly. See what happened when George flyord was killed. A menace to society who put a gun in the belle of a pregnant woman.

They painted a mural of George Floyd in Afghanistan. Taliban painted over it.

basilico:
They painted a mural of George Floyd in Afghanistan. Taliban painted over it.

Wirinet cannot even understand his own arguments when called out he said I am resorting to emotions because I asked him a question.

He has been here attacking religious people without making any sense. He has never seen the work the religious are doing for abandoned children the ignorance is enormous.

A child has not done anything wrong, has not been born, wirinet justify killing it because of menace to society and effect on family but he is fine with the menace parents raced up who carries a gun and rob people, sell drugs and Group Intimacy each other. When you will one of those menace, if they are black, he will start shouting murder, burn the shit down... Instead of shouting abortion has occurred nothing to see here.

Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.

budaatum:
I already did. Read the factcheck I posted on the subject. If you are capable of differentiating between "abort a baby" and "kill a baby", I'm confident you can differentiate between "a comment" and "a bill".


Politics, probably. You know what you Americans can be like. Though, in my opinion, it's a stupid bill.

In my opinion, abortions should not be happening if the foetus has reached the point of viability except in very extreme circumstances like the life of the mother is threatened. When you decide to fight for that, please call on me to support you.

Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.



Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

As per Texas medically ,the heart beat is detected at six weeks.
Budaatum should tell us whether at that point the foetus is viable

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.



Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

Whether 1 month or 9 months, you want to start jailing women who gets pregnant but don't want to have a baby?

Are you more interested in punishing women who was impregnated by irresponsible men but not want to keep the baby. What about the men that got them pregnant in the first place, should they not bear any responsibility?

wirinet:
Whether 1 month or 9 months, you want to start jailing women who gets pregnant but don't want to have a baby?

Are you more interested in punishing women who was impregnated by irresponsible men but not want to keep the baby. What about the men that got them pregnant in the first place, should they not bear any responsibility?

The land has laws. They jail women or men who take drugs, then jail men who refused to pay child support, they jail women who abuse or abandon their kids.

Budaatum argument, his first post to me was her body her choice. he says fetus is not human, I showed him a fetus that is fully developed. Now I dig house his post that proves he does not believe in HER BODY HER CHOICE.

So I am asking him when does it stop being her body her choice? Becuase he seem to be all over the place

wirinet:
Whether 1 month or 9 months, you want to start jailing women who gets pregnant but don't want to have a baby?

Are you more interested in punishing women who was impregnated by irresponsible men but not want to keep the baby. What about the men that got them pregnant in the first place, should they not bear any responsibility?

You keep saying I am interested in punishing women, I have been the only one talking about women and their safety, and responsibilities and taking measures so they don't get pregnant from a stranger, budaatum you and Enugurangers have attacked me for saying women who want to have fun should not rely on a stranger not to get her pregnant since he mostly does not hope to see her again or care about her well-being.

There are a lot of women who gets pregnant and did not abort the baby but they don't know who the father of the baby is. Some have 2 to 3 kids with different father and have no idea who the fathers of their baby is.

I have said if a woman is pregnant she has a window to do the abortion, I said before the heartbeat and most time it's during rape. Some people on the other hand see abortion as contraceptive. It's unacceptable.

benalvino3:
Budaatum this is your word that contradict you.

Based on the bold budaatum, when does it stop being her body her choice?

1month 9months? When?

As long as its in her body, her body her choice, ben.

Good thing is she's likely far more sensible than you so would have decided way before the third month in most cases and barring the untoward unforeseen.

basilico:
As per Texas medically ,the heart beat is detected at six weeks.
Budaatum should tell us whether at that point the foetus is viable

buda should not tell you. You should go research if a six week foetus is viable if extracted from the womb.

benalvino3:
The land has laws. They jail women or men who take drugs, then jail men who refused to pay child support, they jail women who abuse or abandon their kids.

Budaatum argument, his first post to me was her body her choice. he says fetus is not human, I showed him a fetus that is fully developed. Now I dig house his post that proves he does not believe in HER BODY HER CHOICE.

So I am asking him when does it stop being her body her choice? Becuase he seem to be all over the place

budaatum:
I already did. Read the factcheck I posted on the subject. If you are capable of differentiating between "abort a baby" and "kill a baby", I'm confident you can differentiate between "a comment" and "a bill".

Politics, probably. You know what you Americans can be like. Though, in my opinion, it's a stupid bill.

In my opinion, abortions should not be happening if the foetus has reached the point of viability except in very extreme circumstances like the life of the mother is threatened. When you decide to fight for that, please call on me to support you.

You can't understand what you read. It's why you claim "maths is racist".

basilico:
As per Texas medically ,the heart beat is detected at six weeks.
Budaatum should tell us whether at that point the foetus is viable

12 weeks is 3months. Look at the video of fetal development, they said I tried to blackmail them with a photo but that photo is a fetal still developing born yet.

Evangelynn argument is it does not have rights or not counted in Census, it's not human so let's kill it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VktZZEeGdSs

Goodvibes007:
1 USD now selling for 570 naira as at yesterday.

The naira is on life support.

The fact that one Belize currency is more than 200 naira is one regrettable reality that I find very pathetic about my beloved kantry. In deed, the Bubu-led APC has brought a great change--a very destructive one.

budaatum:
You can't understand what you read. It's why you claim "maths is racist".

I asked you a question you are dodging it.

budaatum:
See you deceiving yourself as usual. Is it not the truth that it is Californians, the majority at least, that love their abortions after 6 weeks?

Can't wait for the next election to see who else likes it.

You post the photo too.

Again, what month does it stop being my body my choice?

You clearly said abortion should not be performed when the fetus is viable but the fetus is still in the woman's body. Again when does it stop being my body my choice?

budaatum:
I already did. Read the factcheck I posted on the subject. If you are capable of differentiating between "abort a baby" and "kill a baby", I'm confident you can differentiate between "a comment" and "a bill".


Politics, probably. You know what you Americans can be like. Though, in my opinion, it's a stupid bill.

In my opinion, abortions should not be happening if the foetus has reached the point of viability except in very extreme circumstances like the life of the mother is threatened. When you decide to fight for that, please call on me to support you.

benalvino3:
You keep saying I am interested in punishing women, I have been the only one talking about women and their safety, and responsibilities and taking measures so they don't get pregnant from a stranger, budaatum you and Enugurangers have attacked me for saying women who want to have fun should not rely on a stranger not to get her pregnant since he mostly does not hope to see her again or care about her well-being.

Can someone inform this lying idiot that no one is attacking him for the above! One can't say my body my choice, then expect some stranger one picks up in a club whom one would likely never see again to have a choice in one's body!

If ben understood anything at all he'd realise, "Husband, My body my choice"! Though I wouldn't be surprised if in ben's world husband is that random guy she picked up in a club and one night stood with, then waited way past the first couple of months to abort.

budaatum:
Can someone inform this lying idiot that no one is attacking him for the above! One can't say my body my choice, then expect some stranger one picks up in a club whom one would likely never see again to have a choice in one's body!

If ben understood anything at all he'd realise, "Husband, My body my choice"! Though I wouldn't be surprised if in ben's world husband is that random guy she picked up in a club and one night stood with, then waited way past the first couple of months to abort.

Ask wirinet and Enugurangers if they have said I am shaming women and putting responsibility only on women or I am punishing them for their sexual immorality and you specifically lied I said women who go to club for one night stand are abortionists.

You still can't lie properly despite it is what you love to do so much.

benalvino3:
I asked you a question you are dodging it.


You post the photo too.

Again, what month does it stop being my body my choice?

You clearly said abortion should not be performed when the fetus is viable but the fetus is still in the woman's body. Again when does it stop being my body my choice?

My body my choice ben, so long as it is in my body.

There are thankfully already laws that clearly limit the time I have to decide to abort, and husband can even sue to court to stop abortion after a certain number of weeks, and apart from the difficulty of finding a place to abort after a certain number of months.

If you come into the real world instead of dwelling in your imaginary emotional one you'd know all this.