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Kingsnairaland:
The Torah states that

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Question
How can God make Adam in his image if his real self the original is not a man so what is the original since the original image is a man

Am waiting for your answer

Because Torah said Adam is made in the image of God

Man is made up of spirit of God + dust of the earth . The 'us' refers to God and the earth. God provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust with which God fashioned out man. When he breathed into his nostrils man became a soul...I don't know why it is hard for you to understand..it is not rocket science.

sonmvayina:
Man is made up of spirit of God + dust of the earth . The 'us' refers to God and the earth. God provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust with which God fashioned out man. When he breathed into his nostrils man became a soul...I don't know why it is hard for you to understand..it is not rocket science.

Is the Earth Goddess?

sonmvayina:
Jesus has got nothing to do with God. Jesus is serapis.
God already gave humanity his laws that will last forever. We are only waiting for an era of peace...not a man to come and die for sins. It is never God's plan.

It is a big Insuly against God.

My friend you don't know what you are saying

Go and read what use to happen when the law was in effect

Ask yourself why those things are no longer happening now

Since you said we are still using the laws covenant

Am waiting for you to tell me why the effects of the disobeying the law no longer shows up
Immediately

sonmvayina:
Man is made up of spirit of God + dust of the earth . The 'us' refers to God and the earth. God provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust with which God fashioned out man. When he breathed into his nostrils man became a soul...I don't know why it is hard for you to understand..it is not rocket science.

I know you don't know Torah that why you say what makes no sense from words of God

But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 4:29

Here Torah shows the two inward part of man seek God with your heart which is your spirit and soul which is your brain

I told you man is made up of
body soul, spirit...... Deuteronomy 4:29..... Proves the two part

Now I am about to go the way of all the earth. You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the Lord your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed.
Joshua 23:14.....


Here it says you know that in your heart which is your spirit then in your soul which is your intelligence part that God has kept his promises
Here to shows the two part of man while Genesis already talked about the body

Which shows man is made up of

Body or flesh

soul or brain intellect

spirit or heart

KnownUnknown:
Is the Earth Goddess?

Yes...you are awake..

Bishopkingsley:
I know you don't know Torah that why you say what makes no sense from words of God

But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deuteronomy 4:29

Here Torah shows the two inward part of man seek God with your heart which is your spirit and soul which is your brain

I told you man is made up of
body soul, spirit...... Deuteronomy 4:29..... Proves the two part

Now I am about to go the way of all the earth. You know with all your heart and soul that not one of all the good promises the Lord your God gave you has failed. Every promise has been fulfilled; not one has failed.
Joshua 23:14.....


Here it says you know that in your heart which is your spirit then in your soul which is your intelligence part that God has kept his promises
Here to shows the two part of man while Genesis already talked about the body

Which shows man is made up of

Body or flesh

soul or brain intellect

spirit or heart

Which one goes to hell fire..?

sonmvayina:
Which one goes to hell fire..?

When people die the body decays the soul which is in the spirit sleeps and the spirit returns to God who created it

At the last day when Jesus will judge the world he will awake all sleeping dead souls back to life and give every body a new body called spiritual body

This spiritual body will have the ability to live in the new heaven or on the new earth or in hell

So depending on what you believe when you are on earth will depend on where you go to spend eternity after judgement

So all three of them goes to hell but the first earthly body will be replaced with a new body called spiritual body

sonmvayina:
Yes...you are awake..

Does that go for the other planets also? Is Mars a God or Goddess?

KnownUnknown:
Does that go for the other planets also? Is Mars a God or Goddess?

No..Mars is a god, earth is a goddess, mercury a God, Venus is a goddess(she's the morning star and lucifer ) Uranus is a god, Jupiter a god, Saturn a god....etc

Bishopkingsley:
When people die the body decays the soul which is in the spirit sleeps and the spirit returns to God who created it

At the last day when Jesus will judge the world he will awake all sleeping dead souls back to life and give every body a new body called spiritual body

This spiritual body will have the ability to live in the new heaven or on the new earth or in hell

So depending on what you believe when you are on earth will depend on where you go to spend eternity after judgement

So all three of them goes to hell but the first earthly body will be replaced with a new body called spiritual body

Where did you get this from ?

It is not in the Torah?

sonmvayina:
Where did you get this from ?

It is not in the Torah?

I started by showing you how Torah talked about the Messiah and how God gave birth to the Messiah and showed you how the Messiah is Jesus

Yet you continued to refuse to accept this links that Torah have been saying pointing to the future of Jesus coming

If you can't understand Torah how can you understand Jesus because Jesus brought and taught all these things I told above

Bishopkingsley:
I started by showing you how Torah talked about the Messiah and how God gave birth to the Messiah and showed you how the Messiah is Jesus

Yet you continued to refuse to accept this links that Torah have been saying pointing to the future of Jesus coming

If you can't understand Torah how can you understand Jesus because Jesus brought and taught all these things I told above

Send me the relevant old testament passages..

sonmvayina:
Send me the relevant old testament passages..

Isaiah 7:14—Isaiah prophesies that a pure young woman will give birth to God’s son.

Matthew 1:18–23—Isaiah’s prophecy is fulfilled.

Isaiah 9:6—Isaiah prophesies that Jesus Christ will come as a baby; Jesus is described by several names.

Micah 5:2—Micah prophesies that Jesus will be born in Bethlehem.

Matthew 2:4–6—The scribes knew that Bethlehem was the prophesied birthplace of the Messiah.


The characteristics of the Jewish Messiah:

1. He will be a servant of God: "Behold, my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles." (Isaiah 42:1).

2. He will build the kingdom of God: "He shall build a house for my name." (II Samuel 7:13).

3. He will be a national hero who will vanquish the enemies of Israel: "In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely." (Jeremiah 33:16); "And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies; also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee a house." (II Samuel 7:11); "Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him." (Psalms 72:11).

4. His kingdom will be eternal: "And I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever." (II Samuel 7:13).

5. He will have wonderful abilities: "And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord." (Isaiah 11:2).

6. He will engage in acts of moral judgment: "But with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth." (Isaiah 11:4).

7. He will be a light onto the nations: "I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and I will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the gentiles. To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." (Isaiah 42:6-7).

8. His success will be the result of spiritual, not violent activities: "But with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." (Isaiah 11:4).

9. He will be a stricken and suffering figure who will bear the pain of society: "Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed." (Isaiah 53:4-5).

10. He will be a scion of the house of David: "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots." (Isaiah 11:1).

11. We do not know exactly when he will appear.

According to what is written in the book of Zechariah, the Messiah will arrive riding on the foal of a donkey: "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem, behold, they King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass." (Zechariah 9:9).

In Judaism, the belief in the concept of the Messiah and his essence is given in the old testament

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In Christian doctrine, Jesus is identified as the Messiah and is called Christ (from the Greek for Messiah). In the New Testament, Jesus is called Messiah several times, for example the Gospel according to Mark begins with the sentence "The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God." (Mark 1:1). The Gospel according to Matthew identifies Jesus as the Messiah and even as the son of God: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." (Matthew 16:16). This statement expresses the belief that Jesus, as the son of God, possesses divine attributes. In the Gospel according to Mark, Jesus admits to the high priest that he is the Messiah: " Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? and Jesus said, I am." (Mark 14:61-62).

Aside from the statements in the New Testament regarding Jesus being the Messiah, in the actions described in the story of his life and death, Jesus does, indeed, show the characteristics of the Messiah as understood in Judaism:

1. He acts in the name of God: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor... This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." (Luke 4:18-21).

2. He will establish the kingdom of God forever  the kingdom of heaven: "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2).

3. He has wonderful abilities that enable him to perform miracles, including raising the dead: " The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them." (Matthew 11:5).

4. He engages in acts of judgment: "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats." (Mathew 25:31-32).

5. He is presented as pursuing peace and opposing violence: "But I say onto you, That ye resist not evil: but whoever shall smite thee on they right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39)

6. Jesus is depicted as suffering, both during the time of his ministry and in his death: "But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation." (Luke 17:25).

7. His ministry is directed not only at the people of Israel but at the gentiles as well: "Whosoever believeth in him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich onto all that call upon him." (Romans 10:11-12).

8. He is a scion of the house of David: "Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David." (Romans 1:3).

9. Jesus is described as riding a donkey foal into Jerusalem: "And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him: and he sat upon him." (Mark j. 11:7).

10. We do not know when he will come, except for the fact that this event will occur at the End of Days: "Watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come...Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 24: 42-44).

Despite the similarity in the concepts, above there are only little differences between the concept of the Messiah in Judaism and in Christianity:

1. In Judaism, they falsely assume the Messiah is only flesh and blood.............
Even though the Tanach states that God will be a father to him and he will be a son to God: "I will be his father and he shall be my son." (II Samuel 7:14), and the meaning of this verse is apparently clearly seen

: the Messiah will enjoy the benevolence of God as a son enjoys the benevolence of his father.
In both Hebrew Scriptures and new testaments the Messiah is the son of God (while also being mortal): "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever." (Romans 9:5).

2. Contrary to the common belief in Judaism that the Messiah has yet to come, in Christianity the Messiah has already arrived:

"I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith onto her, I that speak onto thee am he." (John 4: 25-26). He will return at the End of Days.

According to the Christian concept, if Israel sinned by refusing to recognize Jesus as the Messiah: "...a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ," (Galatians 2:16).

If they recognize his Messianism, they will be saved: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
(Romans 10:9).

sonmvayina:
No..Mars is a god, earth is a goddess, mercury a God, Venus is a goddess(she's the morning star and lucifer ) Uranus is a god, Jupiter a god, Saturn a god....etc

And the Sun is only begotten son of God who is enthroned above the firmament (the imaginary celestial sphere where the stars hang). The seven lamps in front of the throne of god meaning sun, moon, mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and saturn.
The foundations of your beliefs are all in Astrology.

Now let see what Torah says

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy

In Genesis 3:15, the Lord announces the future coming of a “seed” (זֶ֫רַע) who will bruise the head of the serpent. While many have long considered this verse the protoevangelium, or the first gospel, However, when one examines Genesis 1–3 in context, an anticipatory expectation emerges as the most viable option.

Furthermore, once the interpreter understands the promise God gave to Abraham concerning his “seed” (22:17–18) as a contextual allusion to Genesis 3:15, it becomes clear that this verse stands as the fountainhead of the Old Testament’s anticipatory hope.

Therefore, although the book of Genesis uses neither the noun מָשִׁיחַ nor the verb מָשַׁח to refer to this coming individual, due to the anticipatory hope found within, Genesis 3:15 is best understood as the protoevangelium.

The New Testament presents Jesus as the long-awaited Messiah; the Savior the prophets predicted. When Jesus began his ministry, the Jewish people seemed ready, waiting for and expecting the Messiah. For example, when Jesus called his disciples, Philip announced to Nathanael, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the Law and also the Prophets wrote—Jesus of Nazareth” (John 1:44).

1 Additionally, the Samaritan woman asserted, “I know that Messiah is coming” (John 4:25). Even Jesus himself taught the prophetic nature of the Old Testament to the disciples on the road to Emmaus: “Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures” (Luke 24:27).

2. Genesis 3:15 as Protoevangelium?

When commentators discuss the anticipatory nature of the OT, they often identify Genesis 3:15 as the first promise of deliverance in the Bible. In this passage, God announces to the serpent, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel.”

From this passage, many commentators affirm the hope of a coming “seed,” a concept that is ultimately developed further in the rest of the OT as the hope of a coming Messiah. For example, Bible scholars states,

Genesis 3:15 has commonly been called the protoevangelium (the “first gospel”) because it was the original proclamation of the promise of God’s plan for the whole world … it gave our first parents a glimpse … of the person and mission of the one who was going to be the central figure in the unfolding drama of the redemption of the world. The “seed/offspring” mentioned in this verse became the root from which the tree of the OT promise of a Messiah grew.

God declares to the serpent in the presence of Adam and Eve, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise you on the head, and you shall bruise him on the heel” (3:15). Here, God promises Adam and Eve “seed” or “offspring” who will one day bruise the serpent’s head.

Although some may think it odd that the promise refers to the woman’s “seed,” given the context in which the serpent had just deceived Eve—and thereby brought the curse upon all creation—it seems quite fitting that her “seed” should be responsible to bring punishment. However, this punishment will not be accomplished without both sides sustaining injury in the process.

Quite simply, for a human to שׁוף (“strike”; or contextually “crush”) the head of a serpent implies a mortal blow, while for a serpent to שׁוף (“strike”; or contextually “bite”) the heel of a human, at most suggests a potentially mortal blow.

As such, it seems best to conclude that in this conflict, it is the “seed” of woman who will claim victory over the serpent. At this point, it is necessary to determine the identity of the serpent as well as the identity of the “seed.”

From these data it becomes clear that, on the syntactical level, the singular pronoun hû’ [he] in Genesis 3:15 is quite consistent with the pattern where a singular individual is in view.

In fact, since the subject pronouns are not normally necessary for the meaning, we might wonder if the singular hû’ in Genesis 3:15 is used precisely in order to make it plain that an individual is being promised by God.

the serpent may be identified as the evil one, the promise of future victory over the serpent implies the defeat (or elimination) of the serpent’s negative influence from the world. In other words, this victory includes the future destruction of evil. In view of the previously perfect state described in
Genesis 1–2, through this promise, it is evident that this individual’s victory will accomplish something great.

Therefore, once the serpent is defeated and the world rid of its influence, the world will be able to be brought back to its Genesis 1–2 state (void of the effects of the curse—such as sin, sickness, death, pain). Also, in view of God’s relationship with Adam and Eve prior to the fall—where he dwelt with them freely (cf. 3:8–9)—this promise seems to include not only a restoration of creation, but also a restoration of relationship.

As such, from the content given solely in Genesis 3:15 (within the context of Genesis 1–3), the hope offered to Adam and Eve can be summarized as God’s promise to accomplish three tasks: (1) Destroy evil (defeat the serpent, its seed, and thereby destroy the influence of evil); (2) Restore creation (to the state it was previously, void of all evil, i.e. the Genesis 1–2 state—cf. 1:31); and (3) Allow God to dwell with his people (just as he previously dwelt with Adam and Eve in Eden—cf. 3:8.. .

These three themes are alluded to and developed greatly throughout the rest of the Bible. As such, from the very beginning, one can see that God’s first promise is to send an individual who will come to restore the world.

At this point, we must examine Genesis 22:17–18 in greater depth. In this passage, the Lord declares to Abraham,

I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring (זֶ֫רַע) as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring (זֶ֫רַע) shall possess the gate of his enemies, and in your offspring (זֶ֫רַע) shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice.60

From this passage, two primary points are evident (and will be expanded below):

Individual “Seed”: Just as Genesis 3:15 was a promise of a coming individual “seed,” so too is 22:17b–18 a promise of a coming individual “seed.”
Universal Blessing: Within the Abrahamic account, the promise of universal blessing intrinsically relates to an “undoing” of the curse brought upon creation in 3:14–19.

The point is that in genesis 22:17b to 22:18, the Lord promises a single individual who will come through the line of Abraham. All in all, the presence of the plural pronoun in 17:9 indicates that the inclusion of the singular pronoun in 3:15 and 22:17b was an intentional decision on the part of the author of Genesis

based on the context of Genesis and the genealogical line through which this “seed” is traced, this individual “seed” must be understood as the same individual “seed” promised in 3:15; the same “seed” that God had promised would crush the head of the serpent.

The grammatical similarities between these passages are not coincidental—and Abraham certainly would have recognized this when the Lord revealed his covenant in 22:17–18.

Torah what Exodus, say about the Messiah


The Messiah IN EXODUS:
In Exodus 33:17, He is the One greater than the deliverer, Moses -

He is Messiah in ALL the Scriptures! In Exodus we find the Messiah (christ) is the :

The Voice in the Burning Bush (Exodus 3:1-6)

The Passover Lamb of God (Exodus 12:1-28)

The Unleavened Bread (Exodus 13:3-10)

The Rock/Pillar of Cloud and Fire leading them (Exodus 13:21-22)

The Red Sea Crossing (Exodus 14)

The Manna from Heaven (Exodus 16)

The Source of Living Water (Exodus 17:1-7)
We can see Pictures of Messiah in every section of Exodus.

I will be back to deal on the rest