₦airaland Forum

Tingotoe:
Gidgiddy are you a judge to be the one to determine what constitutes a crime or not? You're not even a lawyer for Christ sake

You dont have to be a judge to know what is in the constitution. There is no constitution that will say that saying people will die in the future, is a crime. People will die in the future, whether we like it or not. Nobody will live forever

So how can it be a crime to say something everyone already knows will definitely happen?

gidgiddy:
You dont have to be a judge to know what is in the constitution. There is no constitution that will say that saying people will die in the future, is a crime. People will die in the future, whether we like it or not. Nobody will live forever

So how can it be a crime to say something everyone already knows will definitely happen?

You have to be a judge to interpret the law oga. That's the primary function of the judiciary: interpretation of the law. You are a layman so wait for the charges to be prosecuted in court and the judge decides if they have or lack merit

gidgiddy:
This is not even a threat as Nnamdi Kanu did not mention anyone or any people. He didnt even say he is killing anyone. All he said is that people will die in two weeks. Is it possible for two weeks to pass without anyone dying?

How anyone can file such a flimsy charge in court is beyond me

Context sir, CONTEXT! If someone who has the power to cause people's death says "what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word”, you can't pretend it's same as a regular joe saying "people will die tomorrow"!

gidgiddy:
Its not news that the FG brought an ammended seven count charge against IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu. However, it turns out that one of the charges is not even a crime. The charge reads:

That you Nnamdi Kanu, male, adult, of Afaraukwu Ibeku, Umuahia North Local Government Area of Abia Stale on the 16th of May, 2021, in London, United Kingdom within the jurisdiction of this Honourable Court did commit an act in furtherance of an act of terrorism by making a broadcast that “In 2 weeks’ time, what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word” and you thereby committed an offence contrary to and punishable under Section 1 (2) (b) of the Terrorism Prevention Amendment Act, 2013.

That Nnamdi Kanu said that in two weeks time, people will die? People die every day. How can it be a crime to say that people will die in the future? It is a statement of fact.

How is this charge a crime?

Thats how u know d kwantry agf is a senseless �.Even d charge of insulting buhari n calling him idiot is not a crime.It is never criminal offence to insult...a civil case maybe.As tins stands now ...there is now law in naija.D law is wat ever malami d cow says it is

FreeIgboho:
Context sir, CONTEXT! If someone who has the power to cause people's death says "what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word”, you can't pretend it's same as a regular joe saying "people will die tomorrow"!

Everyone has the power to cause another persons death. He didnt say it in any context, he didn't even say that he was going to kill anyone. All he said is that people people will die in two weeks. How can anyone be charged to court for saying that people will die in two weeks is beyond ne

gidgiddy:
Everyone has the power to cause another persons death. He didnt say it in any context, he didn't even say that he was going to kill anyone. All he said is that people people will die in two weeks. How can anyone be charged to court for saying that people will die in two weeks is beyond ne

Everyone is not the leader of IPOB and ESN. Stop arguing nonsense. You can argue he never actually caused anyone's death, not that what he said was not a threat

FreeIgboho:
Everyone is not the leader of IPOB and ESN. Stop arguing nonsense. You can argue he never actually caused anyone's death, not that what he said was not a threat

For that to amount to a threat, it must be directed at someone or a location. Kanu didn't even mention anyone or any people. All he said is that people will die in two weeks. For all we know, it could be in Japan, China, Sudan or any country as he did not mention anyone or any location

gidgiddy:
Its not news that the FG brought an ammended seven count charge against IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu. However, it turns out that one of the charges is not even a crime. The charge reads:

That you Nnamdi Kanu, male, adult, of Afaraukwu Ibeku, Umuahia North Local Government Area of Abia Stale on the 16th of May, 2021, in London, United Kingdom within the jurisdiction of this Honourable Court did commit an act in furtherance of an act of terrorism by making a broadcast that “In 2 weeks’ time, what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word” and you thereby committed an offence contrary to and punishable under Section 1 (2) (b) of the Terrorism Prevention Amendment Act, 2013.

That Nnamdi Kanu said that in two weeks time, people will die? People die every day. How can it be a crime to say that people will die in the future? It is a statement of fact.

How is this charge a crime?

if Bin laden says this same thing, would you call it a crime? This is a direct threat from a terrorist.

gidgiddy:
For that to amount to a threat, it must be directed at someone or a location. Kanu didn't even mention anyone or any people. All he said is that people will die in two weeks. For all we know, it could be in Japan, China, Sudan or any country as he did not mention anyone or any location

You are being intentionally pretentiously obtuse.
So if leader leader of Delta Avengers says people will die, he'll shock the world with what will happen, he must be talking about China or Sudan

FreeIgboho:
Context sir, CONTEXT! If someone who has the power to cause people's death says "what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word”, you can't pretend it's same as a regular joe saying "people will die tomorrow"!

Ok. But myetti Allah severally told Nigerians on national TV, not even on a private radio, that there won't be peace in Benue until the governor repeals the anti grazing law. When will government arrest them?
They are actually killing people in Benue over grazing law.

FreeIgboho:
Everyone is not the leader of IPOB and ESN. Stop arguing nonsense. You can argue he never actually caused anyone's death, not that what he said was not a threat

Ok what about myetti Allah leadership?

What about the threath on Igbos by Arewa youths forum?

Are these not influential enough to cause large scale mayhem?

Elrufai even gave other for the arrest of the group giving Igbos quit notice, but what has happened?

Did you even hear that DSS invited these duo for questioning?

naijapips04:
if Bin laden says this same thing, would you call it a crime? This is a direct threat from a terrorist.

What about the numerous threats made by myetti Allah (designated 4th most dangerous Terrorists group in the world).

What about the threat on Igbos by some northern groups?

Shouldn't DSS have invited these sacred cows for at least cautioning?

FreeIgboho:
You are being intentionally pretentiously obtuse.
So if leader leader of Delta Avengers says people will die, he'll shock the world with what will happen, he must be talking about China or Sudan

You are just throwing insults and innuendos but the guy has refused to roll in the mud with you.

You have no point at all other than your pathological hatred for Ndigbo. Well, good news is, they don't like you too.

FreeIgboho:
Context sir, CONTEXT! If someone who has the power to cause people's death says "what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word”, you can't pretend it's same as a regular joe saying "people will die tomorrow"!

Context only exist in your head. The law only recognizes evidence.
Even if I say people will die, but you have never seen me with a gun or bomb before, it will be difficult to convict me.



Professor A ( congrats to all matriculants! people will fail, ) ~ this is not a threat

Professor B ( welcome to physics class, you will fail my class)
~ this is a threat

gidgiddy:
Its not news that the FG brought an ammended seven count charge against IPOB leader, Nnamdi Kanu. However, it turns out that one of the charges is not even a crime. The charge reads:

That you Nnamdi Kanu, male, adult, of Afaraukwu Ibeku, Umuahia North Local Government Area of Abia Stale on the 16th of May, 2021, in London, United Kingdom within the jurisdiction of this Honourable Court did commit an act in furtherance of an act of terrorism by making a broadcast that “In 2 weeks’ time, what will happen will shake the world, people will die, the whole world will stand still, mark my word” and you thereby committed an offence contrary to and punishable under Section 1 (2) (b) of the Terrorism Prevention Amendment Act, 2013.

That Nnamdi Kanu said that in two weeks time, people will die? People die every day. How can it be a crime to say that people will die in the future? It is a statement of fact.

How is this charge a crime?

Okay lets focus on those you agree is a crime.

BeardedMeat:
Ok. But myetti Allah severally told Nigerians on national TV, not even on a private radio, that there won't be peace in Benue until the governor repeals the anti grazing law. When will government arrest them?
They are actually killing people in Benue over grazing law.

You can say that, but don't be ridiculously saying they never made a threat or they could be talking about China!

bigpriik:
My own is it KANU Goes to jail federal government should prepare for another round of war .

He is already in jail.You said same thing if he should be arrested.

BeardedMeat:
Ok what about myetti Allah leadership?

What about the threath on Igbos by Arewa youths forum?

Are these not influential enough to cause large scale mayhem?

Elrufai even gave other for the arrest of the group giving Igbos quit notice, but what has happened?

Did you even hear that DSS invited these duo for questioning?

Oga, you can say that, just don't say myetti Allah never made a threat or that they were talking about Japan

BeardedMeat:
You are just throwing insults and innuendos but the guy has refused to roll in the mud with you.

You have no point at all other than your pathological hatred for Ndigbo. Well, good news is, they don't like you too.

See this undercover Fulani trying to incite Southerners against each other. Ain't gonna work. I love my Igbo brothers. There is nothing that insulting in anything I said and OP knows it. You are FULANI. Your cover has been blown. Now run along.
Everyone:
BeardedMeat is FULANI trying to incite Southerners against each other!

Broveens42:
Context only exist in your head. The law only recognizes evidence.
Even if I say people will die, but you have never seen me with a gun or bomb before, it will be difficult to convict me.



Professor A ( congrats to all matriculants! people will fail, ) ~ this is not a threat

Professor B ( welcome to physics class, you will fail my class)
~ this is a threat

Did you ever see Hitler with a gun or bomb, or Trump, or Putin, or most presidents and leaders? Stop arguing nonsense

FreeIgboho:
Did you ever see Hitler with a gun or bomb, or Trump, or Putin, or most presidents and leaders? Stop arguing nonsense

You can say all you want. But the law only recognizes evidence and not mere opinion

gidgiddy:
But Kanu said it and they charged him to court.

When you are a man of great influence, you take responsibility for what you say.

With great power comes great responsibility.

You can't just talk anyhow like a motorpark tout threatening to kill and destroy when you have hundreds of thousand followers.

Broveens42:
You can say all you want. But the law only recognizes evidence and not mere opinion

The law also recognizes eye-witness account, and people are routinely convicted based solely on that

FreeIgboho:
See this undercover Fulani trying to incite Southerners against each other. Ain't gonna work. I love my Igbo brothers. There is nothing that insulting in anything I said and OP knows it. You are FULANI. Your cover has been blown. Now run along.
Everyone:
BeardedMeat is FULANI trying to incite Southerners against each other!

Gerrout!

paramakina202:
He is already in jail.You said same thing if he should be arrested.

Mockery is a tribute cowards pay to the brave.
Done talking!

ba7man:
When you are a man of great influence, you take responsibility for what you say.

With great power comes great responsibility.

You can't just talk anyhow like a motorpark tout threatening to kill and destroy when you have hundreds of thousand followers.

Oh I see. So what you are saying is that Nigerian law is not based on equality, but status?

So if a motor park tout says that people will die in two weeks, no point charging him to court. But if Kanu says the same, you charge him to court?

Interesting

FreeIgboho:
The law also recognizes eye-witness account, and people are routinely convicted based solely on that

Eye witness account are backed with evidence before they are tenable in any court of competent jurisdiction..
I hope your meaning of eye witness account is not all these pictures you people litter on nairaland? Lol


Eg. I saw Mr A kill Mr B..
What is your proof that your account is true?.
(Then you tender pictures)

If it is established in the law court that those pictures didn't originate from your device, you have lost the case even if Mr A actually killed Mr B

FreeIgboho:
People merely dying doesn't shake the world. So it is the context and tone that made it a threat - a crime

Buhari should be tried in the court first for his post 2011 election violence inducing utterances.

t6:
Threatening is a punishable offence.

Then Buhari should be punished first

Broveens42:
Eye witness account are backed with evidence before they are tenable in any court of competent jurisdiction..
I hope your meaning of eye witness account is not all these pictures you people litter on nairaland? Lol


Eg. I saw Mr A kill Mr B..
What is your proof that your account is true?.
(Then you tender pictures)

If it is established in the law court that those pictures didn't originate from your device, you have lost the case even if Mr A actually killed Mr B

You don't know what you are talking about. If the judge or jury finds the witness credible, the suspect will be convicted. All these people convicted of rape but later released based on DNA, how do you think they were convicted in the first place? - Solely because the victim positively identified them as the rapist.

Stone03:
Buhari should be tried in the court first for his post 2011 election violence inducing utterances.

You are right - he should be charged for many things, but that's another discussion

FreeIgboho:
You don't know what you are talking about. If the judge or jury finds the witness credible, the suspect will be convicted. All these people convicted of rape but later released based on DNA, how do you think they were convicted in the first place? - Solely because the victim positively identified them as the rapist.

It is the victim that identified the rapist not some other person and can be useful enough in conviction. The witness here is the victim.

So if you are going to stand as witness to testify, make sure all records are directly linked to you.. you are still reaffirming my position ignorantly