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Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1uCgERiON4

Finally it is confirmed thag the NA actually acquired the type 89 tracked APC from China.

Good News

tutudesz:
Good News

BAD news

Unless if later to fit with modern RCWS EO or KPV or ZSU23, or else its new NA sardine tin cans replacing damaged old Steyr APC.

No thermal night vision, No gun stabilizer, No superior firepower. NA should have copied Zimbabwe or Sri Lanka Army CT-COIN choice buy 40 units same Type 89 in IFV version RCWS 25 mm longer ranges 3 km rapido fire full-automatic-cannon to slaughter ISWAP dead, because IFV is amphibious, just add IED n RPG protection, simple.

Guys here asking for better infantry firepower with nite optics, Nigeria no get money, our Army n MoD wasting our little cash.

Ordinary Zamfara Bandits DShK Toyotruck fire to sides n rear or RPG will destroy all these 60 APC and our soldiers inside it to tiny pieces.

Waste of money Not game changer.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1uCgERiON4

Finally it is confirmed thag the NA actually acquired the type 89 tracked APC from China.

it looks like the federal government has decided to turn to China , Russia and fmr soviet states for the procurement of weapons for our armed forces , this is highly commendable.

Hope they will fit 23 mm or kpv cannons on these babies for maximum effects on these terrorists.

Roan77:
This actually happened outside Nigeria water, it happened on international water please.
Although the pirates are Nigerian descendants.

To raise the standard of the discourse move away from emotive and sentiment based "NOISE MAKING"

MSC Lucia, flying the flag of Panama and bound for Togo, sent out a distress call around 1pm local time on Monday, when it was boarded by armed men approximately 86 nautical miles southwest of the Agbami Terminal on the Nigerian coast.

https://www.rt.com/russia/538443-russian-destroyer-pirates-africa/

youghs:
The way you spit ignorance with confidence is incredible.
All stats released this year with regards to security status on Nigerian waters have stated that insecurity is at an all time low.

It's only in your own book that pirates are getting way too high.

The term "way too high" is subjective and opinion based from my personal expectations and experiences.

Yes shockingly for some and many may disbelieve but this year I've spent 7 months in Nigeria, over several trips. my view is first hand knowledge based not media anchored.

So unless you can substantiate your view and quantify it with figures and events , you should not call anyone ignorant.

Because you have low expectations and enthrone mediocrity , I don't have to join you in your misguided delusions.

Fynline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1uCgERiON4

Finally it is confirmed thag the NA actually acquired the type 89 tracked APC from China.

Here is a better video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my-GEp69q68

komekn:
To raise the standard of the discourse move away from emotive and sentiment based "NOISE MAKING"

MSC Lucia, flying the flag of Panama and bound for Togo, sent out a distress call around 1pm local time on Monday, when it was boarded by armed men approximately 86 nautical miles southwest of the Agbami Terminal on the Nigerian coast.

https://www.rt.com/russia/538443-russian-destroyer-pirates-africa/

Would it make any sense for the navy to deploy to the location after knowing that the Russians were closer to the scene? The Russians could have gotten the distress signal first and might have communicated their readiness to help with naval HQ though that isn't necessary so far the Nigerian navy was aware of their presence in Nigeria's EEZ. It could have also been that it was NN that got the information first and knowing there is a naval vessel close to the scene inform the Russians and solicit for their help. There are videos and pictures of the NN doing something similar on this thread. NN has also rescued vessels outside of Nigeria's EEZ several times.

keep2silent:
BAD news

Unless if later to fit with modern RCWS E/O turret or KPV or ZSU, its new NA sardine tin cans to replace lost old Steyr APC.

No thermal night vision, no gun stabilizer, no superior firepower. NA should have bought 40 units same Type 89 in IFV version RCWS 25mm rapid fire cannon to slaughter ISWAP dead, its amphibious, just add IED& RPG protection, simple.

Guys here asking for better infantry firepower, Nigeria no get money, and Army/MoD waste the little cash we find.

Ordinary Zamfara Bandit RPG will destroy it into pieces or close range DShK Toyota truck. Its waste of money not game changer at all !

It is not too heart-warming but still a good news, NA could have done better but the motive could have been finding a reasonable replacement for guntrucks in the hot zones in reasonable QUANTITY. I doubt they could get 40 modern IFVs for the price of 60 of these and its not like IFVs are indestructible. A little modification such as adding cage armor to these will significantly reduce the risk of rpgs. And in addition to the MTLBs and BMPs, it will definitely tilt the balance more in favor of NA in the next offensive. The MTLBs were reported to have been very effective in the last offensive.
And with increasing numbers of tracked platforms, NA's ability to continue offensive deep into the raining seasons increases.

JOSCOFELIX:
I am not surprised that Nigerian Army’s spokesman Brigadier General Onyema Nwachukwu came out with [oral] guns blazing at The Economist of London, which last week published an uncomplimentary editorial on Nigeria’s government and its army. It called Nigeria “A crime scene in the centre of Africa.” Which I think is okay because Britain itself is a historic crime scene in the centre of the world, of slavery, colonial exploitation, unprovoked warfare, economic undermining of nations and subtle instigation of conflicts dressed up as fine diplomacy.

The magazine said Nigerian Army “is mighty on paper” because it has not been able to end Boko Haram insurgency in ten years or, more recently, to defeat bandits and kidnappers. Well, if that is the yardstick for determining a mighty army on paper, I think The Economist should more appropriately direct that label at the US Army.

Nigeria’s military has been battling Boko Haram for only 12 years now, with a relatively meagre budget because the national treasury is beset by other problems. In contrast, the US military spent 20 years and $6 trillion battling the Taliban in Afghanistan. What was the result? Taliban is back in power in the country even as the Americans escaped with their tails behind their backs.

The British Army wasn’t any better in that respect. In twenty years until 1992, it proved wholly unable to defeat the Provisional Irish Republican Army [IRA], the “Provos” as they were called then, or even to end what the Irish called “The Troubles” in their province. It took the signing of the Good Friday Accord in 1992 to end the British Army’s agony. Now, the British Army is several hundred years older than, its armoury a hundred times more lethal and its annual budget is several times bigger than Nigerian Army’s. In addition, IRA were lightly-armed thugs compared to Boko Haram. So which of the two armies is mightier on paper, if truth be told?

All conventional armies in this world have difficulty fighting asymmetric warfare, essentially because they are not trained for it. Guerillas also have many advantages, including lack of scrutiny of their actions by human rights organisations. The Economist said many of our soldiers are “ghosts” who exist only on the payroll.

This allegation has routinely been made with respect to some Local Government Councils and some MDAs in Nigeria. This is however the first time that anyone is making this allegation against the Army, whose troops are always seen at the numerous battle fronts fighting insurgents, bandits, militants, secessionists and other criminals. Almost everyone in Nigeria can see that the number of our troops is inadequate for our current needs, but no one ever said the number is adequate on the payroll.

The Economist also made the strange allegation that “much of [Nigerian Army’s] equipment is stolen and sold to insurgents.” It should please cross-check with MI6, the British intelligence service. Much of Boko Haram’s weapons came from Muammar Gaddafi’s arsenal, which NATO countries bombed despite pleas from the African Union [AU] to desist. What about the weapons that have destabilized other Sahelian African countries all the way from Mali to Burkina Faso to Niger Republic to Darfur, South Sudan and Somalia? Were they all sold to insurgents by rogue Nigerian soldiers?

What is true is that in the earlier phase of this conflict, Boko Haram overrun many army posts and seized their weapons, a happening which ended with the consolidation of army posts into super camps. That is not the same thing as “selling” weapons to insurgents. In any case, you Western guys withheld from us much needed equipment and material needed to end this war based on allegations that our troops abused human rights of captured insurgents.

That was another hypocrisy. Were weapons denied to the US Army in Vietnam because of the My Lai massacre, when soldiers from Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment and Company B, 4th Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade, 23rd Infantry Division of the US Army massacred 504 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in March 1968? More recently, were they denied weapons because of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq?

Nigerian Army needs assistance from friendly countries to finish off insurgents and bandits. Sniping from the sidelines with false allegations, such as The Economist did, will only prolong everyone’s agony.

Quick Intervention in 21st Century Chronicle.

Mahmud Jega writes from Abuja

Impressive, Josco. Very impressive.

And I'm also glad NA is deepening relations with NORINCO, they have almost everything NA needs and with time, NA might get some TOT. In fact I see no other reason why they can't give TOT for this type 89 APC other than the quantity ordered. It is an old system that doesn't pose any significant threat to any military, in fact China should be retiring it soon.

There is an ongoing attack in damboa.

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Whyem15:
And I'm also glad NA is deepening relations with NORINCO, they have almost everything NA needs, and with time, NA might get some TOT. I see no other reason why they can't give TOT for this type 89 APC other than the quantity ordered. It is an old system that doesn't pose any significant threat to any military China should be retiring soon.

Vehicles like this have proven to be prime for our kind of environments, MRAPs are too heavy for the mud and marsh of L.Chad areas.

NA also reportedly been ordered 100 CS/VP3 'Bigfoot' MRAPs from Norinco.

https://www.africanmilitaryblog.com/2021/03/nigerian-army-orders-more-cs-vp3-bigfoot-mrap

We just need the commitment of the MNJTF that they'll deliver the same intensity they we definitely will and we'll make very significant progress this dry season

This is totally unfair, unacceptable and a clear case of hatred against the Police by the current administration of PMB.

We are a vital actor in the theatre, currently, the police has more than 5 squadron deployed in the NE. In the last 6yrs of PMB, the Police has benefited nothing from a logistical point of view.

NAF got 12 Tucanos, 3 JF-17, they're expecting more MI and drones. The Army on the other hand has gotten its fair share of logistics. Not a single pump action or tear gas was purchase for the Police.

How do you expect the Police to take over liberated territories from the army? Are we going to use those rickety Nissan vehicles and Shagari era APCs we have?

No body should come here and be complaining that the police are not living up to expectations. Everyone is watching this board daylight neglect.

When treating Malaria, you don't only take anti malaria, you also take panadol

keep2silent:
BAD news

Unless if later to fit with modern RCWS EO or KPV or ZSU23, or else its new NA sardine tin cans replacing damaged old Steyr APC.

No thermal night vision, No gun stabilizer, No superior firepower. NA should have copied Zimbabwe or Sri Lanka Army CT-COIN choice buy 40 units same Type 89 in IFV version RCWS 25 mm longer ranges 3 km rapido fire full-automatic-cannon to slaughter ISWAP dead, because IFV is amphibious, just add IED n RPG protection, simple.

Guys here asking for better infantry firepower with nite optics, Nigeria no get money, our Army n MoD wasting our little cash.

Ordinary Zamfara Bandit RPG or DShK Toyotruck close range will destroy all these 60 APC into tiny pieces.
Waste of money Not game changer.

Considering were we are coming from,this is good news

NafeesaAA:
This is totally unfair, unacceptable and a clear case of hatred against the Police by the current administration of PMB.

We are a vital actor in the theatre, currently, the police has more than 5 squadron deployed in the NE. In the last 6yrs of PMB, the Police has benefited nothing from a logistical point of view.

NAF got 12 Tucanos, 3 JF-17, they're expecting more MI and drones. The Army on the other hand has gotten its fair share of logistics. Not a single pump action or tear gas was purchase for the Police.

How do you expect the Police to take over liberated territories from the army? Are we going to use those rickety Nissan vehicles and Shagari era APCs we have?

No body should come here and be complaining that the police are not living up to expectations. Everyone is watching this board daylight neglect.

When treating Malaria, you don't only take anti malaria, you also take panadol

Recommended but not compulsory.

The police need to organize themselves better else Government will give more attention and funding to road safety than police.

At some point, the army was almost like the police but quickly did the needful.

Reorganizing the police force can come from within.

Abeg all those helos government got for the police, what were they used for?

Whyem15:
Abeg all those helos government got for the police, what were they used for?

VVIP transport limited

Whyem15:
It is not too heart-warming but still a good news, NA could have done better but the motive could have been finding a reasonable replacement for guntrucks in the hot zones in reasonable QUANTITY. I doubt they could get 40 modern IFVs for the price of 60 of these and its not like IFVs are indestructible. A little modification such as adding cage armor to these will significantly reduce the risk of rpgs. And in addition to the MTLBs and BMPs, it will definitely tilt the balance more in favor of NA in the next offensive. The MTLBs were reported to have been very effective in the last offensive.
And with increasing numbers of tracked platforms, NA's ability to continue offensive deep into the raining seasons increases.

Mate, I cant blame you for being optimistic o, abi wetin man pikin go do now?

But sha in 2015 NA used 43 tokunbo T-72 tanks to recapture like 60 towns in 8 weeks what 136 new Vickers tanks cannot do in a whole year, night vision n RPG resistant made big difference, gave us victory in 2015.

Yes IFV of hull n belly STANAG 4, RPG cage, is nearly indestructible to Naija Bandits, BHT, ISWAP, such IFV is d real game changer.

Type 89 IFV uses low-cost RCWS 25mm with cheap IR night vision as China makes it specially very cheaply affordable, easy to use, effective power, thats why poor armies Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, etc rushed to buy it plenty.

But why waste effort to fix RPG cage on APC that its sides and rear can only resist ordinary AK-47 rifle?

No mind our Naija Army n MoD big men joor, they dont care for best choice Cheapest may not solve problem as our 10 years war now turn to nationwide insecurity. NA needs equipment thats able to bring us final solution not just plenty of ineffective cheapest vehicles in market
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keep2silent:
Mate, I cant blame you for being optimistic o, abi wetin man pikin go do now?

But sha in 2015 NA used 43 tokunbo T-72 tanks to recapture like 60 towns in 8 weeks what 136 new Vickers tanks cannot do in a whole year, night vision n RPG resistant made big difference, gave us victory in 2015.

Yes IFV of hull n belly STANAG 4, RPG cage, is nearly indestructible to Naija Bandits, BHT, ISWAP, such IFV is d real game changer.

Type 89 IFV uses low-cost RCWS 25mm with cheap IR night vision as China makes it specially very cheaply affordable, easy to use, effective power, thats why poor armies Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, etc rushed to buy it plenty.

But why waste effort to fix RPG cage on APC that its sides and rear can only resist ordinary AK-47 rifle?

No mind our Naija Army n MoD big men joor, they dont care for best choice Cheapest may not solve problem as our 10 years war now turn to nationwide insecurity. NA needs equipment thats able to bring us final solution not just plenty of ineffective cheapest vehicles in market
°

Final solution?. What does this mean exactly. I think we got the best equipment for the threat level and threat nature.
We don't want think skin vehicles
We want to be able to storm defences in all terrains
We want decent fire support whilst disembarking
This solution fits everything.

Nobody uses this mechanized infantry tool without IFVs, a few light tanks and even some eye in the skies providing back up.

RWS/RCWS are near useless and expensive to own. Nobody has actually talked about use case, operatability and reliability in the whole fog of was situation.

The only thing missing in this solution is an active protection system APS like GL5 but the MBTS and IFVs in convoy would have that and there are just too many other sensors active during an offensive to destroy any hostile with RPG or RCL quickly

I gave Intel about camp under supercamp 7 should reinforce there defence permiter early this week damboa face a serious battle yesterday but our gallant men made us proud. Ruggedity no by month na blood dey tin dey. Guntruck capture bastard killed. More victory to the men of 25task force brigade. More thank to the men of 133sf force reinforce and thank to air support. Victory

RiceProducers:
Final solution?. What does this mean exactly. I think we got the best equipment for the threat level and threat nature.
We don't want think skin vehicles
We want to be able to storm defences in all terrains
We want decent fire support whilst disembarking
This solution fits everything.

Nobody uses this mechanized infantry tool without IFVs, a few light tanks and even some eye in the skies providing back up.

RWS/RCWS are near useless and expensive to own. Nobody has actually talked about use case, operatability and reliability in the whole fog of was situation.

The only thing missing in this solution is an active protection system APS like GL5 but the MBTS and IFVs in convoy would have that and there are just too many other sensors active during an offensive to destroy any hostile with RPG or RCL quickly

What do you mean by RWS/RCWS are useless?

Army procurement can be annoying sometimes.
Why buy an IFV just to fit 12.7mm on it like WTF

youghs:
What do you mean by RWS/RCWS are useless?

What's the use case for RWS/RCWS? - the ability to hide somewhere in the vehicle or in another vehicle and shoot?

If you think 'soldiers' want this then rethink. Maybe it's only justification is trying to bring choppers down when the enemy is a conventional force

youghs:
Army procurement can be annoying sometimes.
Why buy an IFV just to fit 12.7mm on it like WTF

It is not an IFV. You lied calling it an IFV and then wondered why it does not have a 30mm. This APC will be used in convoy with IFVs and Tank destroyers

RiceProducers:
What's the use case for RWS/RCWS? - the ability to hide somewhere in the vehicle or in another vehicle and shoot?

If you think 'soldiers' want this then rethink. Maybe it's only justification is trying to bring choppers down when the enemy is a conventional force

I believe this will help you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvFkeBXeoc

youghs:
Army procurement can be annoying sometimes.
Why buy an IFV just to fit 12.7mm on it like WTF

That's why it was called an Armoured protected Carrier and not IFV.

youghs:
I believe this will help you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvFkeBXeoc

This is nonsense. I know what RWS is. Soldiers don't want it in most countries. RWS are good as stand alone, unmanned guard emplacements. Part of electronic fencing.
Maybe when autonomous robots start getting deployed, the systems would find widespread adoption.

RiceProducers:
This is nonsense. I know what RWS is. Soldiers don't want it in most countries. RWS are good as stand alone, unmanned guard emplacements. Part of electronic fencing.
Maybe when autonomous robots start getting deployed, the systems would find widespread adoption.

Can you point me to where soldiers said they don't want it cos this is the first time I'm hearing this

The Nigeria army should to take perimeter defence in dikwa, damsaka,marte, damaturu iswap have issue a directive to abu sumaliya the guy that lead damboa attack to strike from now to Monday . 402sf,133df,135,sf should also take perimeter defence . Thy will strike . 3guntruck was capture by the Nigeria army. A directive have being giving to all formation around lake Chad, that when next iswap strike with mrap and apc it should be capture this come with a price to any unit that fulfill it. More victory.equipment will come from Russia for the army .wait for it

NafeesaAA:
This is totally unfair, unacceptable and a clear case of hatred against the Police by the current administration of PMB.

We are a vital actor in the theatre, currently, the police has more than 5 squadron deployed in the NE. In the last 6yrs of PMB, the Police has benefited nothing from a logistical point of view.

NAF got 12 Tucanos, 3 JF-17, they're expecting more MI and drones. The Army on the other hand has gotten its fair share of logistics. Not a single pump action or tear gas was purchase for the Police.

How do you expect the Police to take over liberated territories from the army? Are we going to use those rickety Nissan vehicles and Shagari era APCs we have?

No body should come here and be complaining that the police are not living up to expectations. Everyone is watching this board daylight neglect.

When treating Malaria, you don't only take anti malaria, you also take panadol

You have spoken well NafeesaAA.

I have been on the proposing side for better equipping and functionality of the NPF, given them the right tools and reengineering structurally to enable them do a better job for all Nigerians. You spoke well and anyone without a whimp idea on the shallow thinking and stinking corruption bedeviling them even at the expense of their lives seamlessly bounding the officers, the rank and file would fall for theses gimmicks just as i had. Gimmicks? Yes, ma'am Gimmicks.

I wouldn't dwell on the outright corruption, we all know is a bone stuck in their necks they rather die with than vomit but preferably, i would be reveling to you the simple things that must have led to their unrespected status when it comes to budgeting and allocations in Nigeria.

We all know most institutions, hospitals, federal parastatals and varsities have all suffered from the Nigeria's governments underfunding but did that ever stop them from carrying out their basic constitutional roles the best way they can? No!. Have you been to a hospital and there wasn't any form of help because of governments underfunding, in worse case scenarios you pay and they get the work done, but with the Nigeria police force we have seen a "Total disregard" of their basic roles and functions with the excuse of underfunding. Policing the country, crime prevention and enforcement of justice have been thrown out the window; if it doesn't bring in money then they say 'it be damned', and even when it brings out money nothing is done else they share amongst a few and do nothing why?, The Nigeria police force has forfeited it's roles to the Armed forces of Nigeria. Basic patrols have been turn to to money milking venture, investigations barely yield results at the community and divisional levels, they can barely contain street crime and urchins, home bulgers and armed robbers give police a run for their training leaving them with unbeaten most times. Our marine units, Mopol units and the strategic checkpoints have all lost it's relevance everything has been suited for one aim and one aim alone to 'Extort' eroding professionalism for an institution that can be bought, not only bought; but cheaply as it stands.

These has made people to lose faith in them, they rather kill criminals (Jungle justice) than hand them to the police for prosecution . All these was pointing to anarchy and gradually gave the federal government more impetus to allow the army step in the police as didn't show competence at any level and the NA at least wouldn't be cheaply bought by just anybody.

We have been in more recent times battling with insurgency and now banditry, what capacity has the police brought to show it wants to fight for it's place on the table? We have seen the NIGERIA ARMY AND THE AIRFORCE metamorphose to tackle the challenges head on, we saw several trainings by the army from conventional Orbat to CT-COIN warfare, same with the Airforce giving birth to the Panthers. What has the Nigeria police force done 'efficiently' to enhance their capacity knowing they police the largest expanse of land?, they gave birth to CT TRAINING TO SOME PERSONNELS, which most have now been channeled to Special protection units for those individuals with big bags in the society, all the investment by the federal government now wasted, the investment in special weapons and trucks left to rot. Why aren't the police changing the Orbat to tackling non-state actor whenever they might arise from in any part of the country before the army is drafted in?.

SOLUTION: It's going to be a long road but they should stop their rhetoric's and create a special Swat team, with about a 100 men in each state, they should be well equipped with tactical gears, armored and soft skin mobility(APC 2 per state X 36 =72), heavy firepower and communications. They would be spaced in each state at least into four teams comprising of 25 men for each formation, they should have their own building's within the police division commands and one at the state command no matter how small provisions should be made for their hostels and lounge. This team would form the tip of the spear for any challenge too overwhelming for the Mopol units in any state. They aren't for patrols except in critical times, each roll out squad should comprise of a 10 man team, meaning we have two teams and a reserve of 5 men. These 5 men must be at the base incase of backups or emergencies when a unit calls. If they can stay highly disciplined and dedicated they would motivate a face lift of the Nigeria police force. You as an IGP can invite the CiC, members of the senate and HoR for your annual drills and wispher your needs in campaigning for more budget allocations.

Let's talk about your budget, have you seen the police budget for and their supplementary budgets?, you would weep, THEY COMPLAIN OF BEEN UNDERFUNDED BUT you would see an outright lack of foresight, what is their short and long term plan? it was rather full of sadist heart breaking tags which gives a pointer to the fact these men aren't rather to take charge of their roles. Anyone who has the budget can help post it to show the cancer with planning, killing the NPF.

Let's talk about the massive funding by their special protection units running into billions as reported sometime back during the last IGP'S tenure, cooperate organization, well meaning Nigerians and the most importantly the support by the state's government, example LASG,RVSG and a whole lot of others.

What is their maintenance culture? Everything isn't about money.

The police has programmed itself for failure with their redundancy and outright lack of planning. Respect is earned not given, did you notice the last security meeting where the President was briefed at the state house the Igp wasn't in attendance?

tutudesz:
Good News

It is news. Whether the news is good or not will be determined by the events of the next 6 months. This could be very bad news if they get into the hands of terror.

RiceProducers:
This is nonsense. I know what RWS is. Soldiers don't want it in most countries. RWS are good as stand alone, unmanned guard emplacements. Part of electronic fencing.
Maybe when autonomous robots start getting deployed, the systems would find widespread adoption.

Sir, you believe RWS are useless on an MBT platform too?