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Dtruthspeaker:
CHANGE OF POST! FIGHT FAIR OR STAY SILENT OR FORFEIT THE CONTEST! THOSE ARE THE RULES.

Of course, atheists NEVER FIGHT FAIR AND LEGALLY!

LMFAO! We already know you will claim special privileges in the name of your god. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not good to make unreasonable and unlawful demands, so it is you who needs to stop making unreasonable demands.

Then stop making claims without evidence.
Dont tell us nonsense you cannot prove

LordReed:
But you said it is madness. LMFAO!

Everyone knows, (except of course (evils like you) when talking to plants has turned from the usual to madness!

NO ROAD!

Dtruthspeaker:
Everyone knows, (except of course (evils like you) when talking to plants has turned from the usual to madness!

NO ROAD!

LoL! OMFD! The excuses.

Workch:
Then stop making claims without evidence.
Dont tell us nonsense you cannot prove

And you think you are not mad?

First, you make unreasonable demands but rather than make the reasonable demand, you abandon all and go on to complain?

Respectfully, you are indeed mad!

LordReed:
LoL! OMFD! The excuses.

NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

LordReed:
LMFAO! We already know you will claim special privileges in the name of your god. Bwahahahahaha!

NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

Dtruthspeaker:
And you think you are not mad?

First, you make unreasonable demands but rather than make the reasonable demand, you abandon all and go on to complain?

Respectfully, you are indeed mad!

more and more excuses

LordReed:
He said he now has the magic in his bedroom. Don't worry he will soon try again. LoL

Oh, really?
Can't wait.

LordReed:
LoL! OMFD! The excuses.

I asked that clown why don't we see miracles of amputated limbs growing and he said such miracles have been preserved for the afterlife that it's only in heaven that amputees can get their missing body parts back. I asked him to show me a single verse in the bible that supports his claim, he started shouting "No Road", saying he has won the argument. Omo. A whole lawyer o.

kingxsamz:
I asked that clown why don't we see miracles of amputated limbs growing and he said such miracles have been preserved for the afterlife that it's only in heaven that amputees can get their missing body parts back. I asked him to show me a single verse in the bible that supports his claim, he started shouting "No Road", saying he has won the argument. Omo. A whole lawyer o.

LMFAO! OMFD! Laugh wan tear my belle o!

Dtruthspeaker:
NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

Dtruthspeaker:
NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

I put my mouth for song:
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open eye
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open sense
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
I put my mouth for song:
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!

LordReed:
I put my mouth for song:
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open eye
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
Mr. Follow Follow, make you open sense
Yeye rolling!
"Mr. Follow Follow"
Yeye rolling!
I put my mouth for song:
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!
"Zombie o, Zombie"
Yeye rolling!

Although, you got.
TO THE END OF THE ROAD
and there's no way to go O.

It's so natural
to,
To belong to God,
I belong to oooo Him.

NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

One more thing!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun SHAME!

Dtruthspeaker:
Although, you got.
TO THE END OF THE ROAD
and there's no way to go O.

It's so natural
to,
To belong to God,
I belong to oooo Him.

NO ROAD, AS USUAL AND AS ALWAYS!

One more thing!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun, SHAME! Gbagaun SHAME!

Bwahahahahaha! OMFD! You copied Boyz II Men then went on to condemn me for copying! You are so freaking hypocritical it's hilarious. LMFAO!

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! OMFD! You copied Boyz II Men then went on to condemn me for copying! You are so freaking hypocritical it's hilarious. LMFAO!

SINGING SONGS AS A RESPONSE IS MY STYLE, MY INGENUITY, MY CREATION.

No, you're never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

GO FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, BOY!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

Dtruthspeaker:
SINGING SONGS AS A RESPONSE IS MY STYLE, MY INGENUITY, MY CREATION.

No, you're never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

GO FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, BOY!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

The shame is upon you who cannot provide evidence for his imaginary sky friend.
You should be ashamed of yourself for having such a low IQ to believe things like that

Workch:
The shame is upon you who cannot provide evidence for his imaginary sky friend.
You should be ashamed of yourself for having such a low IQ to believe things like that

Your talk no get power! a feather did not even move. so you just wasted your energy doing nothingness!

Dtruthspeaker:
Your talk no get power! a feather did not even move. so you just wasted your energy doing nothingness!

Your evidence no get power, use shame drop one evidence for us.

ATHEISTS LACK WISDOM KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING PERIOD.

AND ALL SO CALLED ATHEISTS ARE LUNAS.

ATHEISTS ARE AFRAID AND INSECURE.

Dtruthspeaker:
SINGING SONGS AS A RESPONSE IS MY STYLE, MY INGENUITY, MY CREATION.

No, you're never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

GO FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, BOY!

COPY, COPY
IS NOT GOOD O,
FIND YOUR OWN O.
USE YOUR HEAD O
SHEY, SHEY, SHEY
SHAAME!

Might as well tell me not to write in English because it is your style. BTW before you showed up on NL I was using song lyrics in my replies and why you think you are the only one who thought of it just shows you're just too whack. Bwahahahahahahaha!

LordReed:
Might as well tell me not to write in English because it is your style...

Internairaland thief, thief
I.T.T.
Internairalnd thief, thief
Internairaland rogue
Internairaland thief, thief
Internairaland thief
Internairaland thief, thief!

SINGING SONGS AS A RESPONSE IS MY STYLE, MY INGENUITY, MY CREATION.

No, you're never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

GO FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, BOY!

Dtruthspeaker:
Internairaland thief, thief
I.T.T.
Internairalnd thief, thief
Internairaland rogue
Internairaland thief, thief
Internairaland thief
Internairaland thief, thief!

SINGING SONGS AS A RESPONSE IS MY STYLE, MY INGENUITY, MY CREATION.

No, you're never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it
Never gonna get it, never get it

GO FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, BOY!

LMAO!

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Workch:
There’s was a thread by kingxsamz that provides theists the opportunity to provide evidence for their supernatural claims, the thread ended with almost 12pages of flimsy excuses. They were even offered 2.5million if they can prove it. I mean, is this not the opportunity for your nonexistent god to answer your financial prayers?
There are other bounties waiting for theists; be it traditionalist, Christian or Muslim to participate and convince all atheist that supernatural exist, all we get are excuses upon excuses.

Men, it’s beyond me how people cling to stuffs that cannot proven even when provided the opportunity to win lots of money if they successfully prove it.
Just one out of many of the platforms will forever make atheist remain silent and the opportunities are begging.

What other opportunity do you want us to give to you to provide evidence for all your imaginary friends? You want us to take your personal bias experiences as evidence?

Maybe you don’t even understand what the Christian believes in and how Christianity works.

Nothingserious:
Maybe you don’t even understand what the Christian believes in and how Christianity works.

i do and I know there’s no evidence for it yet, that’s why it’s a belief

Workch:
i do and I know there’s no evidence for it yet, that’s why it’s a belief

What kind of evidence do you seek from Christianity and religion?

The Christian faith and belief in God actually does not need proofs for their validity. Rather they are basic and warranted beliefs that come naturally with humans just like we believe our history, and eat naturally when we are hungry.

But you can still state the kind of evidence you seek from religion and Christianity.

Nothingserious:
The Christian faith and belief in God actually does not need proofs for their validity.

So how do you it is not false?

LordReed:
So how do you it is not false?

Quote from Alvin Platinga below:

Critics claim that Christian belief is not rationally justified or justifiable: what, precisely, is the infirmity or defect they are ascribing to the Christian believer? What, exactly, is the question?


What are Christians accused of lacking? He suggests this criticism arises out of an idea called foundationalism.

He explores the idea that theism is rationally acceptable only if there are good arguments for it. He suggests that this treats religion like a scientific hypothesis, but questions whether that is reasonable. He suggests that this lays down a standard that the very argument itself cannot meet.

Foundationalism itself fails to meet its own standard used here to reject religion. In fact it leads to the rejection of most of our beliefs, not just theistic ones.

How much meets the classical conditions for being properly basic?

Not much, if any.

I believe that I had cornflakes for breakfast, that my wife was amused at some little stupidity of mine, that there really are such ‘external objects’ as trees and squirrels, and that the world was not created ten minutes ago with all its dusty books, apparent memories, crumbling mountains, and deeply carved canyons. These things, according to classical foundationalism, are not properly basic; they must be believed on the evidential basis of propositions that are self-evident or evident to the senses.


There are many beliefs which we rely on that in fact cannot be provided with good arguments that make them scientifically proven. The existence of external objects are difficult to separate from our perception.

Memories are hardly scientifically proven and yet we believe them and rely on them. In short, the standard that people make when critics suggest Christian theism unreasonable, is so high than many everyday beliefs would also fail the test.

Finally, Plantinga explores the idea of warrant. He considers those who argue that religious belief is wish fulfillment (Freud), or some sort of dysfunction (Marx). He notes that both begin their arguments from a position that claim theism is false. This is not argued, merely stated or asserted as a given. He continues to explore classic arguments against Christian belief (which he calls defeaters) and makes counter-cases. He believes none of these make serous challenges to the warrant Christian belief can enjoy, if it is true. The crucial difference here is not that he is arguing Christian beliefs are true, but that they are warranted if true.

https://www.reonline.org.uk/teaching-resources/16-plus-philosophy/warranted-belief-alvin-plantinga/

Nothingserious:
What kind of evidence do you seek from Christianity and religion?

The Christian faith and belief in God actually does not need proofs for their validity. Rather they are basic and warranted beliefs that come naturally with humans just like we believe our history, and eat naturally when we are hungry.

But you can still state the kind of evidence you seek from religion and Christianity.

Turn water to wine before me

Nothingserious:
Quote from Alvin Platinga below:

Critics claim that Christian belief is not rationally justified or justifiable: what, precisely, is the infirmity or defect they are ascribing to the Christian believer? What, exactly, is the question?


What are Christians accused of lacking? He suggests this criticism arises out of an idea called foundationalism.

He explores the idea that theism is rationally acceptable only if there are good arguments for it. He suggests that this treats religion like a scientific hypothesis, but questions whether that is reasonable. He suggests that this lays down a standard that the very argument itself cannot meet.

Foundationalism itself fails to meet its own standard used here to reject religion. In fact it leads to the rejection of most of our beliefs, not just theistic ones.

How much meets the classical conditions for being properly basic?

Not much, if any.

I believe that I had cornflakes for breakfast, that my wife was amused at some little stupidity of mine, that there really are such ‘external objects’ as trees and squirrels, and that the world was not created ten minutes ago with all its dusty books, apparent memories, crumbling mountains, and deeply carved canyons. These things, according to classical foundationalism, are not properly basic; they must be believed on the evidential basis of propositions that are self-evident or evident to the senses.


There are many beliefs which we rely on that in fact cannot be provided with good arguments that make them scientifically proven. The existence of external objects are difficult to separate from our perception.

Memories are hardly scientifically proven and yet we believe them and rely on them. In short, the standard that people make when critics suggest Christian theism unreasonable, is so high than many everyday beliefs would also fail the test.

Finally, Plantinga explores the idea of warrant. He considers those who argue that religious belief is wish fulfillment (Freud), or some sort of dysfunction (Marx). He notes that both begin their arguments from a position that claim theism is false. This is not argued, merely stated or asserted as a given. He continues to explore classic arguments against Christian belief (which he calls defeaters) and makes counter-cases. He believes none of these make serous challenges to the warrant Christian belief can enjoy, if it is true. The crucial difference here is not that he is arguing Christian beliefs are true, but that they are warranted if true.

https://www.reonline.org.uk/teaching-resources/16-plus-philosophy/warranted-belief-alvin-plantinga/

This doesn't answer the question. You said "The Christian faith and belief in God actually does not need proofs for their validity", in other words you don't need proof for them to be true. The question now is how did you eliminate the possibility that they are false since you don't need proof.

LordReed:
This doesn't answer the question. You said "The Christian faith and belief in God actually does not need proofs for their validity", in other words you don't need proof for them to be true. The question now is how did you eliminate the possibility that they are false since you don't need proof.

“I believe that I had cornflakes for breakfast, that my wife was amused at some little stupidity of mine, that there really are such ‘external objects’ as trees and squirrels, and that the world was not created ten minutes ago with all its dusty books, apparent memories, crumbling mountains, and deeply carved canyons. These things, according to classical foundationalism, are not properly basic; they must be believed on the evidential basis of propositions that are self-evident or evident to the senses.”

~Platinga

Nothingserious:
“I believe that I had cornflakes for breakfast, that my wife was amused at some little stupidity of mine, that there really are such ‘external objects’ as trees and squirrels, and that the world was not created ten minutes ago with all its dusty books, apparent memories, crumbling mountains, and deeply carved canyons. These things, according to classical foundationalism, are not properly basic; they must be believed on the evidential basis of propositions that are self-evident or evident to the senses.”

~Platinga

Evident to the senses is not the same as I have eliminated falsity. Hallucinations are evident to the senses as well.