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It is and insult to compare our LORD JESUS CHRIST to his creature mohammed, you would not love to see his other side. i pray you don't discover this when it is too late, because it will be terrible for you!

kindly go to this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/6843958/islam-full-fables-not-g-d#107556223

G-D FORBID MY JESUS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH MOLOCH.

BornofGod108:
It is and insult to compare our LORD JESUS CHRIST to his creature mohammed, you would not love to see his other side. i pray you don't discover this when it is too late, because it will be terrible for you!

Allah is an Idol.

Tiiitoo:
@antichrsitiann

I can be ignorant on many things but certainly not in the case of Islam because it is very easy to dispute this religion based on clear evidence of falsehood.

I'm trying to use my common sense and logic here so no need for Bible verses or Quran suras.

In your whole write up you repeatedly emphasize on credibility, that's to say Islam is more credible according to your Quran but you forget that the Quran Book itself is in no chronological order and one can't really differentiate between the Mecca revelations to Medina revelations where your prophet enacted the Law of abrogation, where Medina revelations supersedes previous revelations in Mecca. We all knew why he took this stance. (you see why we say the Quran is Mohammed desires, as the events goes; he adjusts his revelations accordingly).

How can I believe he was a true prophet. Pls God is not the Author of confusion.

Islam as a religion is centered on worldly subject matters such as rules for rituals, clothing, sex, food, Money, conduct etc, christianity on the other hand is a very spiritual religion that does not stand for any political idea.
These religious laws were rescinded in christianity , only faith, hope and love can bring salvation.

Many christians view Quran worship as idolatry as no worldly thing can have divine perfection.

Yes Muhammed got rid of Jesus Christ as the central figure in christianity to perpetuate Islam and Muhammed as seal of the prophets, they reduced Jesus to a mere prophet and went far as saying he was not crucified, that it was made to appear that he was crucified but some else was crucified in his stead.
This was why Islam was rejected earlier on amongst the earlier Christians..it is what they feed their little kids from young age in Islamic schools by their scholars.

Paul neither claimed divinity nor did he say he was God, so I don't understand that question.
Pls in christianity the bible is compiled by men with the inspiration from God while in Islam the Quran is the exact word of God.

Pls don't mind him.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Apostle Paul Jesus and Adam are equally God's Sons due to the process of their birth {1Corinthians 15:45} but Jesus himself told us why God loves him most than all other sons of God:

"And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” John 8:29

So while Adam (God's Son) became an outcast Jesus (God's Son) retained that status by ever remaining obedient to his God and Father! John 20:17

Don't mind him. I've challenged him to a debate.

Tiiitoo:
@antichrsitiann

I can be ignorant on many things but certainly not in the case of Islam because it is very easy to dispute this religion based on clear evidence of falsehood.

I'm trying to use my common sense and logic here so no need for Bible verses or Quran suras.

Of cos you are ignorant and still ignorant on many things. Common sense and logic can't be used to prove the trinity, how Jesus aka God was born by a human and how God died.

In your whole write up you repeatedly emphasize on credibility, that's to say Islam is more credible according to your Quran but you forget that the Quran Book itself is in no chronological order and one can't really differentiate between the Mecca revelations to Medina revelations where your prophet enacted the Law of abrogation, where Medina revelations supersedes previous revelations in Mecca. We all knew why he took this stance. (you see why we say the Quran is Mohammed desires, as the events goes; he adjusts his revelations accordingly).

Credibility means the quality of being trusted and believed in. How does this relate with Chronology? At least you agree the Qur'an was arranged by Muhammad. Who arranged the Bible and when was it arranged? Was it the desires of those that arranged it. How can we use your logic and common sense to prove the Bible was inspired?

How can I believe he was a true prophet. Pls God is not the Author of confusion.

You can't believe except you remove your bias and use your commonsense appropriately!

Islam as a religion is centered on worldly subject matters such as rules for rituals, clothing, sex, food, Money, conduct etc, christianity on the other hand is a very spiritual religion that does not stand for any political idea.
These religious laws were rescinded in christianity , only faith, hope and love can bring salvation.

Islam is a perfect way of life. It includes almost everything in the life of man even a country can be ruled with Islam. How many Country has ever been ruled with the bible? Where was faith, hope and love in the Old testament?

Many christians view Quran worship as idolatry as no worldly thing can have divine perfection.

Christianity was formed after Jesus. No one made it a religion. Even Jesus never led anyone while on earth. You can call Muslims idol worshippers but we know who are the true idol worshipers who believe God sent his son to be killed for his other sons. Is this not a ritual from God?

Yes Muhammed got rid of Jesus Christ as the central figure in christianity to perpetuate Islam and Muhammed as seal of the prophets, they reduced Jesus to a mere prophet and went far as saying he was not crucified, that it was made to appear that he was crucified but some else was crucified in his stead.
This was why Islam was rejected earlier on amongst the earlier Christians..it is what they feed their little kids from young age in Islamic schools by their scholars.

There was nothing like Christianity in the Bible! You can show us where it is mentioned as your religion. Jesus never started any religion by that name. And yeah we don't believe Jesus was crucified. He is not a son to God. Our God has no son or partners. Jesus is a Prophet as well as Moses, Muhammad and others.

Paul neither claimed divinity nor did he say he was God, so I don't understand that question.
Pls in christianity the bible is compiled by men with the inspiration from God while in Islam the Quran is the exact word of God.

Use you logic and common sense to prove to us how they were inspired?

@Antichrist

I dont believe there's need to go on with this because I feel our subject matter has no solid foundation. (In my opinion)

1. No sources foretold the coming of prophet Muhammad and his prophethood. (If there is, prove it). You can quote from any source.
2. Ethics of both Faiths are directly opposite, one is Love and the other is seemingly violent.
3. Muslim apologists continue to refer to the Bible for plausibility even when they say the Bible has been
corrupted and distorted.
4. I see Islam as another denomination of christianity just like JW but it is a militant and proselytizing faith.
5. Christianity does not need to refer to the qur'an for credibility, certainly not on the account of Jesus of Nazareth. (Islam came 630 years Later), dont tell me revelations.
6. Islam is an imperial sociopolitical ideology masquerading as a religion adopted by the Arabs to create a separate identity. A tool used by the oppressors (Ruling class) just like Marxism and fascism.

In summary, i simply dont think Islam is a true religion based on the points I highlighted above. The burden is on you to prove to us that your religion is the right one. It will be pointless arguing something that I view as a sociopolitical ideology with set of worldly rules to control people especially Women.

If you answer all the points I raised above I will answer your previous post comprehensively. I am an open-minded person.

I have some Muslim friends, very nice guys, liberal people but there's something similar here; they don't take the religion serious.
I don't have problem with Muslims but ISLAMISM.

Islamism impedes growth and development. (This is a fact most ardent muslims don't like to hear)

"Individual muslims may show splendid qualities but the presence of the religion impedes growth and development; there's no stronger retrograde force". The river war, Winston Churchill.

"Those that make you believe in absurdities will make you commit atrocities" Voltaire

Tiiitoo:
@Antichrist

You should have tagged me appropriately for me to respond sooner!

I dont believe there's need to go on with this because I feel our subject matter has no solid foundation. (In my opinion)

That's your opinion!

1. No sources foretold the coming of prophet Muhammad and his prophethood. (If there is, prove it). You can quote from any source.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Tawraat (Torah) (Deut, xviii 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John, xiv 16), — he commands them for Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At‑Tayyibaat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al‑Khabaa’ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allaah’s Covenant with the children of Israel), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur’aan) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful
[al-A’raaf 7:157]

2. Ethics of both Faiths are directly opposite, one is Love and the other is seemingly violent.

How can you define peace in the light of all the killings backed by Yahweh in the old testament?

3. Muslim apologists continue to refer to the Bible for plausibility even when they say the Bible has been
corrupted and distorted.

Something being corrupted or distorted does not mean it is entirely useless. Will you believe the Qur'an & Hadith if we use them to preach to you?

4. I see Islam as another denomination of christianity just like JW but it is a militant and proselytizing faith.

What about Judaism of Moses and Joshua, Yahweh supported them and they sure used their military well. Is Christianity a form of Judaism too? Show us where Yahweh changed the religion from Judaism to Christianity?

5. Christianity does not need to refer to the qur'an for credibility, certainly not on the account of Jesus of Nazareth. (Islam came 630 years Later), dont tell me revelations.

The credibility is clear! The Bible was written long after Jesus mostly by those who never met Jesus in real life who wrote from hearsays and who wrote letters! Paul, Luke, Mark are typical examples and they wrote about 60% of the New Testament.

6. Islam is an imperial sociopolitical ideology masquerading as a religion adopted by the Arabs to create a separate identity. A tool used by the oppressors (Ruling class) just like Marxism and fascism.

Can this same thing be said of Yahweh's Judaism? Islam is free of error but Muslims may not be free! And mind you there is no mention of a religion called Judaism or Christianity in the whole Bible!
They are coined by humans!

In summary, i simply dont think Islam is a true religion based on the points I highlighted above. The burden is on you to prove to us that your religion is the right one. It will be pointless arguing something that I view as a sociopolitical ideology with set of worldly rules to control people especially Women.

The control of women was also done strictly by Yahweh in the old testament. Even at a time in the Bible Yahweh permitted men inheriting the brother's wife and impregnating her for the dead brother. Gen 38. Many harsh laws does exists from Yahweh on woman in your Bible. These laws were used before and they are worse than that in Islam but you never detest them or blame Yahweh even for once!

If you answer all the points I raised above I will answer your previous post comprehensively. I am an open-minded person.

I have some Muslim friends, very nice guys, liberal people but there's something similar here; they don't take the religion serious.
I don't have problem with Muslims but ISLAMISM.

Islamism impedes growth and development. (This is a fact most ardent muslims don't like to hear)

"Individual muslims may show splendid qualities but the presence of the religion impedes growth and development; there's no stronger retrograde force". The river war, Winston Churchill.

"Those that make you believe in absurdities will make you commit atrocities" Voltaire

If Islam impedes growth then why are the Arabs rich? Why did Yahweh promise to make Ishmael in to a great nation in Gen 17:20?

Whoever is destined to be rich will be rich whether he is a Muslim or otherwise!
I take my religion seriously and I accept others so far as we don't clash in the religious path, we can work together.

But forcing me to do what my religion forbid or forbidding me from what my religion permits compulsorily na wahala o!
And lastly only unreligious people who only bear Muslim names are your friends, so how are you calling them Muslims?

@antichristian

Like I said Islam can only thrive in a room full of people who are ignorant of islam, this religion propagates falsehood, lies; goalpost shifting and cherry picking is their stock in trade.

Your Islamist scholars, Muslim apologists such as Ahmed dedat, Zaik Naik have all fed you poison and you have all swallowed it with less time to think for yourselves.

Let's look at the Gospel of John xiv:16 (14:16) you quoted. I am using KJV
John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So Jesus told us that he would send a comforter. Does this comforter sound like Muhammed to you?, was Mohammed a comforter? and did he live forever? We all knew how he died. So my friend, Jesus was never talking about Mohammed but the holy Spirit but let's go a bit further.

Chapter 17- Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Again, does this sound like Muhammed? Was he a spirit?? Did Mohammed dwell in us Did people not see Mohammed waged wars against countries, killing husbands and taking widows as sex slaves.
Again, you ignored the next verse because it does not serve your deceitful purpose.

Let's even assume Jesus Christ was referring to your prophet.

Again, you're quoting a Gospel that opened with a declaration of acknowledging the deity of Christ, something you muslims reject. I quote; KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

...John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Amplified Version
John 1:14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh, and lived among us; and we [actually] saw His glory, glory as belongs to the [One and] only begotten Son of the Father, [the Son who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, who is] full of grace and truth (absolutely free of deception).

Let's even forget about the deity of Jesus Christ. I can't be more generous than that, let's go further.

Muslims usually tell us that Allah sent Moahammed and even you have reiterated that severally in your write ups so no argument about that.

You have just exposed to us that Jesus sent prophet Muhammed in a bid to tell us that Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the Bible in the gospel of John 14:16 you highlighted.
So if Allah sent prophet Muhammad it means Jesus Christ = Allah because Jesus Christ sent the comforter.

Na you talk am o, no be me o.
This was why I said this debate has a weak foundation.

Tiiitoo:
@antichristian

Like I said Islam can only thrive in a room full of people who are ignorant of islam, this religion propagates falsehood, lies; goalpost shifting and cherry picking is their stock in trade.

Your Islamist scholars, Muslim apologists such as Ahmed dedat, Zaik Naik have all fed you poison and you have all swallowed it with less time to think for yourselves.

Let's look at the Gospel of John xiv:16 (14:16) you quoted. I am using KJV
John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So Jesus told us that he would send a comforter. Does this comforter sound like Muhammed to you?, was Mohammed a comforter? and did he live forever? We all knew how he died. So my friend, Jesus was never talking about Mohammed but the holy Spirit but let's go a bit further.

Chapter 17- Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Again, does this sound like Muhammed? Was he a spirit?? Did Mohammed dwell in us Did people not see Mohammed waged wars against countries, killing husbands and taking widows as sex slaves.
Again, you ignored the next verse because it does not serve your deceitful purpose.

Let's even assume Jesus Christ was referring to your prophet.

Again, you're quoting a Gospel that opened with a declaration of acknowledging the deity of Christ, something you muslims reject. I quote; KJV
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

...John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Amplified Version
John 1:14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh, and lived among us; and we [actually] saw His glory, glory as belongs to the [One and] only begotten Son of the Father, [the Son who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, who is] full of grace and truth (absolutely free of deception).

Let's even forget about the deity of Jesus Christ. I can't be more generous than that, let's go further.

Muslims usually tell us that Allah sent Moahammed and even you have reiterated that severally in your write ups so no argument about that.

You have just exposed to us that Jesus sent prophet Muhammed in a bid to tell us that Prophet Muhammad was foretold in the Bible in the gospel of John 14:16 you highlighted.
So if Allah sent prophet Muhammad it means Jesus Christ = Allah because Jesus Christ sent the comforter.

Na you talk am o, no be me o.
This was why I said this debate has a weak foundation.

I know it will be hard for you to address my last post. You just picked only only number 1.

You need to stop cherry picking, lies and deceit. Address my response in full.

IMAGINATIVE PRESENTATION. THE QURAN IS FOND OF THAT.

Ammishaddai:
Maryam is not Mary oga ; they were two different people with two different histories. If you doubt this , check the Quran's narrative and compare it with the bible's . You'll see that they are two completely different narratives that speak about two completely different people

They're the same but like you right said, from two differing narratives from two different religious views and history.

The Torah, Bible and Koran share the same foundational stories but from different perspectives. Viz the story of creation are similar but differing details.
The story of Abraham/Ibrahim and the promised child who is Isaac/Issaka in the bible but Ismael in the Koran.
The story of Moses and Pharoah.
Even the story of Mary/Mariam and Jesus/Yisa.

All these stories share similarities but differing details when studied from both accounts of the Bible and the Koran.

haekymbahd:
You are saying it because you don't believe Jesus is God. Allah says he has no begotten because Jesus was called God. So why meddle in the Affair when Allah says he doesn't have a son.


Don't you know the trinitarians don't believe Jesus was created. Allah knows the reason why he said he didn't have a son.

Where was that said??

Isa Is a Lamb & Is Man.

Islam simply means "Worship God"

AntiChristian:
O! Isa son of Maryam!

Jesus son of Mary!

One is senior the other is Junior abi?

Yes. Islam is Confucius.

AntiChristian:
O! Isa son of Maryam!

Jesus son of Mary!

One is senior the other is Junior abi?

Yes. Islam is Confucius. Ask Xi JINPING.

QURAN IS CONFUSION.

QURAN IS CONFUSION. AND IS CALLING A HOE A EOH.

@Antichristian

"I know it will be hard for you to address my last post. You just picked only only number 1"

I can't quote your posts because it will be long, however I will answer them.

Even in the book of deuteronomy you quoted, it is still not referring to your Muhammed.
Now that we have established that no convincing evidence or texts foretold the arrival of Muhammed, can we now conclude that he was a false prophet?

You said "Common sense and logic can't be used to prove the trinity, how Jesus aka God was born by a human and died on the cross"

I believe you're questioning the divinity of Jesus christ and the core tenets of the Christian faith. Jesus was divine and yet he's not the father that's why the new testament could only be understood in the light of the doctrine of the trinity, where God is ONE in essence but exists eternally in 3 divine persons. Of course you wouldnt grasps this concept because your religion tells you it is Shirk and God has no partners, I can imagine the level damage that islamic conditioning has done to your brain over the years.
Is it unthinkable for God, the all-knowing, all-wise and almight to take the appearance of a man and humble himself be obedient to death, even-death on the cross to save his already drowning creation.. That is why Jesus was exalted, his name placed above every other name, above your prophet Muhammed to the Glory of God the father.

Imagine a powerful king was walking and sees his child drowning in a pool of water, wouldn't he immediately dive into the water to rescue his Child?. Imagine this is human Love o takeless of God's Love.

Christianity is all about Love. I know your religion knows nothing about love.
Again, do I believe in such (the Gospel, Jesus stories)? I am amazed that I actually believe from my own analysis and research,
1. Jesus was a true historical figure that existed.
2. He performed miracles like raising the dead, casting out Demons, healing the sick even your prophet attested to that.
3. He was crucified, buried and resurrected on the 3rd day.

To believe this makes Logical sense to me (in my view).
These are belief systems, I love my Muslim brothers because Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves but do not go on to propagate lies, falsehood to the unsuspecting public about christianity.

You said the Quran was arranged by prophet Mohammed.
I thought he was unlettered and the Quran came about 100 hundred years after his death. What was the work of his companions?

You said Islam the perfect way of life and that all countries should model after it.
Islam is a perfect way of life?., How is Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Palestine, Nothern Nigeria, ISIS, ISWAP, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, alqeada, Alshabab working for ya??.

Christian countries have learnt to separate the Church and State something Islam cannot do. That's why millions of muslims are migrating to these countries by any means necessary because of tolerance, freedom, security and prosperity these countries provide for them something elusive in Muslim majority countries.

Why do you keep on about this old testament?

Of course you keep quoting the old testament to justify your rapacious murderous terrorists organisation, like ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram and co.

Which religion is violent for the most part today? Is it not Islam?... Judaism and christianity like other religions have grown mature Islam is still stuck in cave era.
The violence you keep reiterating was a destruction of an enemy at a point in time for God to establish his Kingdom of Israel (The promised Land) of which the Messiah would be born to bring salvation to all Nations. Now compare it to Islam's continous onslaught against unbelievers and infidels in order to subjugate them. This is an aggressive doctrine, it is set up for global domination.

My friend this is the major difference between Judeo-Chrstian faith and Islam.

I don't know why you have problem with Apostle Paul, I deliberately ignored some comments you made earlier about Paul.
Well, first of all, Apostle Paul was neither among the 12 disciples nor the 13th disciple. After the encounter with Jesus christ on his way to Damascus to persecute Christians, his mission was clear, to preach to the Gentiles, that is why most of his writings were to the churches and moral codes in the church. Even Peter, the Desciple of Christ acknowledged Paul's work and recommended it.
Did Paul preached something different from what Jesus taught? If yes bring it up.

The problem I see here your Allah was was unaware about Paul's existence or perhaps he forgot to reveal it to Muhammed. So you muslims hate Paul. It is understandable.

You said Islam is free of error. I will leave this one for some else to reply.

In all of this,I still love you my brother though I don't know you but I hope you see sense in our discussion.

thatsleepboy1:
kindly go to this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/6843958/islam-full-fables-not-g-d#107556223
G-D FORBID MY JESUS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH MOLOCH.
Allah is an Idol.
Pls don't mind him.
Don't mind him. I've challenged him to a debate.

I was born a Muslim but after so much findings i discovered that something is missing in Islam that's why i never took religion seriously until i met Jehovah's Witnesses.
Today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Islam is a political movement established after the Arabs themselves have killed Muhammad, they're not interested in God rather their intentions is to rule the whole world through recruitment of more hands against the West.
The Western power have long discovered this secret that's why they have no issues with Saudi Arabia because those really agitating for power are three major former world powers:

EGYPT they became the first world power after the fall of Babel after God has confused the language of the builders of Babel. Many nations back then were struggling to dominate others until Joseph made Egypt the richest through the food they stored during the drought. So it was through the Israelites that Egypt became the first world power and it's by means of the same Israelites that Egypt lost it's best army at the Red Sea.

ASSYRIA known today as Iran, later became the world power and was dominating all surrounding nations until their King stupidly (Sennacherib) fixed his heart on destroying Jerusalem during the reign of faithful King Hezekiah. In just one night an angel from heaven came down and killed 185,000 Assyrian soldiers! 2Kings 19:35
That was the end of the Assyrian dynasty.


BABYLON known today as Iraq later became the world power and their king Nebuchadnezzar came to destroy Jerusalem after the people turned to worshiping foreign idols. God foretold that due to the cruel way Babylonian dealt with the Israelites Babylon will be destroyed and never to be rebuilt again! And it was so, the Northern part of Assyria formed alliance with the orients and they came to destroy Babylon during the reign of Belchazzar (Nebuchadnezzar's son) then the prophecy about the release of God's people (Israelites) took place as King Cyrus of Persia declared that Israelites (God's people) may return to their home land.

MEDO-PERSIA this is the Kingdom of two nations (MIdians and Persians) they reigned until Greece took over the world power from them.

So it's these three nations now that are trying to regain what their ancestors lost. Egypt, Iran and Iraq. Saudi Arabia has never ruled the world before so they are not agitating but the agitating nations want to use Islam (the religion that sprang up in Saudi) to achieve their goal. The Western powers later sent spies to investigate what is causing the problem because they realized that the main religious center (Saudi) is not agitating. That's when it was discovered that their agitations is not about RELIGION but POLITICAL. Because Arabs don't have forgiving spirit the old dispute between Iraq and Iran is still ongoing because it was the Iranians alliance with Orients that destroyed Babylon (Iraq) so even if they're allowed to rule the world there will still be wars between these two nations despite the Islam they're using as cover up.

I only pity people from other nations joining the so called Islam because it has nothing to do with the God of Israel, and do you know that the God of Israel has foretold through His angel that this will happen?

Please read what God's angel told this woman:
And the angel of Jehovah said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son; and thou shalt call his name Ishmael, because Jehovah hath heard thy affliction.And he shall be [as] a wild ass among men; his hand [shall be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren. Genesis 16:11-12

Ishmael is Abraham's first son God told Abraham that the promise to redeem the entire human race will be made possible through Abraham's lineage, so Abraham thought Ishmael (his first Son) will fulfill that but God told Abraham:

And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!" Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." Genesis 17:18-21

Here God is telling Abraham that Ishmael will live but the promise of Salvation will come through Isaac not Ishmael.

So what will be the result if Ishmael's race try to establish a religion as Abraham's first born?

Well remember what the angel told Ishmael's mother, Ishmael will only breed terrorists!
That's why Islam is associated with terrorism throughout the earth today.

May you have PEACE!

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=108242037][/quote]You're talking from the JW aspect and you said some truth but they're not related at all.

thatsleepboy1:
You're talking from the JW aspect and you said some truth but they're not related at all.

Well i'm now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:
Well i'm now one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

G-d bless you sir

Pls sir, how did you do the yellow tag

thatsleepboy1:
G-d bless you sir

Pls sir, how did you do the yellow tag

Same way you did yours!

MaxInDHouse:
Same way you did yours!

I later checked your post to see it.

Tiiitoo:
@Antichristian

Even in the book of Deuteronomy you quoted, it is still not referring to your Muhammed.
Now that we have established that no convincing evidence or texts foretold the arrival of Muhammed, can we now conclude that he was a false prophet?

So who was the Deuteronomy verse referring? Bring your proofs here! You haven't established anything so your conclusion is illogical.

I believe you're questioning the divinity of Jesus christ and the core tenets of the Christian faith. Jesus was divine and yet he's not the father that's why the new testament could only be understood in the light of the doctrine of the trinity, where God is ONE in essence but exists eternally in 3 divine persons. Of course you wouldnt grasps this concept because your religion tells you it is Shirk and God has no partners, I can imagine the level damage that islamic conditioning has done to your brain over the years.
Is it unthinkable for God, the all-knowing, all-wise and almight to take the appearance of a man and humble himself be obedient to death, even-death on the cross to save his already drowning creation.. That is why Jesus was exalted, his name placed above every other name, above your prophet Muhammed to the Glory of God the father.

Everything you are saying here is illogical and not even in consonance with your bIble. If your God has been existing in three persons why did he state that clearly in the Bible instead of waiting for people to help him interpret it to mean such? Which Bible verse states that Jesus was divine? God is three but one? And where was Jesus's name placed above other names? In your dreams!

Imagine a powerful king was walking and sees his child drowning in a pool of water, wouldn't he immediately dive into the water to rescue his Child?. Imagine this is human Love o takeless of God's Love.

The Powerful king need not dive in to the water less he perish along with child. The King just needed to command things and all will be well.

Christianity is all about Love. I know your religion knows nothing about love.

While there is no religion called Christianity in the Bible, Islam is a religion of peace from the Qura'n!

Again, do I believe in such (the Gospel, Jesus stories)? I am amazed that I actually believe from my own analysis and research,
1. Jesus was a true historical figure that existed.

Yeah Jesus existed but his people till today never believed in him. Compare Muhammad in this regard. The crucifixion and resurrection are simply false.

2. He performed miracles like raising the dead, casting out Demons, healing the sick even your prophet attested to that.

Even false Prophet can do this too. It does make them divine.

3. He was crucified, buried and resurrected on the 3rd day.

No eye witness for this. All that was reported were hearsays. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not there when he was crucified. The disciples fled!

To believe this makes Logical sense to me (in my view).
These are belief systems, I love my Muslim brothers because Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves but do not go on to propagate lies, falsehood to the unsuspecting public about christianity.

Jesus never preached Christianity. Paul did. You don't love anybody than to convert them to your false and unfounded religion.

You said the Quran was arranged by prophet Mohammed.
I thought he was unlettered and the Quran came about 100 hundred years after his death. What was the work of his companions?

The Qur'an was compiled in to Book about 2 years after the death of the Prophet. Stop telling lies. 100 years! The Prophet usually recite the Qur'an with Angel Gabriel yearly and twice the year he died. He was unlettered and yet he received revelations!

You said Islam the perfect way of life and that all countries should model after it.
Islam is a perfect way of life?., How is Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Palestine, Nothern Nigeria, ISIS, ISWAP, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, alqeada, Alshabab working for ya??.

Islam is the perfect way of Life but some Muslims are bound to err. Most if not all of those countries, associations or regions you wrote up there have killed Muslims too in their quest. And most have been involved in politics outside Islam. Don't you wonder why no system of Government uses the Bible as their constitution? Even Jewish Israel the Country of Jesus called him a bastard born out of wedlock.

Christian countries have learnt to separate the Church and State something Islam cannot do. That's why millions of muslims are migrating to these countries by any means necessary because of tolerance, freedom, security and prosperity these countries provide for them something elusive in Muslim majority countries.

Where are the Christian countries? Countries that permit LGBT and all forms of immorality are Christians? To say the truth, the new testament does not contain much input from Jesus and the contribution of Paul is not sufficient to even rule a home successfully.

Why do you keep on about this old testament?

Of course you keep quoting the old testament to justify your rapacious murderous terrorists organisation, like ISIS, Taliban, Boko Haram and co.

We quote old testament to show you the blood shed on behalf of your God before he repented to instead kill his son!

You will never blame your God for the murders in the old testament. but it is only Islam that is a terrorist religion! Your God does not change. So how did he stop killing in the New testament? The truth is because He lost his armies in Moses and Joshua.

Which religion is violent for the most part today? Is it not Islam?... Judaism and christianity like other religions have grown mature Islam is still stuck in cave era.
The violence you keep reiterating was a destruction of an enemy at a point in time for God to establish his Kingdom of Israel (The promised Land) of which the Messiah would be born to bring salvation to all Nations. Now compare it to Islam's continous onslaught against unbelievers and infidels in order to subjugate them. This is an aggressive doctrine, it is set up for global domination.

No religion is violent. It is humans that became violent. Yahweh sent people to kill others. Many were killed on behalf of your God. Your God that you'll say he is forgiving and peaceful. No matter the excuse you give, it still doesn't change anything!
The land God wanted to give his people, how did He achieve that? Your God is not aggressive? Didn't he start the apostasy law? Was Yahweh not dominant then?

I don't know why you have problem with Apostle Paul, I deliberately ignored some comments you made earlier about Paul.
Well, first of all, Apostle Paul was neither among the 12 disciples nor the 13th disciple. After the encounter with Jesus christ on his way to Damascus to persecute Christians, his mission was clear, to preach to the Gentiles, that is why most of his writings were to the churches and moral codes in the church. Even Peter, the Desciple of Christ acknowledged Paul's work and recommended it.
Did Paul preached something different from what Jesus taught? If yes bring it up.

Apostle Paul was simply an enemy of Christ when Christ was in this world. So How was the film acted that he saw a bright light became converted and quickly wrote about 13 books of the new testament more than all the original disciples together? This is a film trick! Paul started the Church not Jesus. You follow Paulinism!

The problem I see here your Allah was was unaware about Paul's existence or perhaps he forgot to reveal it to Muhammed. So you muslims hate Paul. It is understandable.

Allah is all-aware of everything. Even Jesus does not know Paul in reality. And the bright light that converted Paul could be anything not Jesus.

You said Islam is free of error. I will leave this one for some else to reply.

In all of this,I still love you my brother though I don't know you but I hope you see sense in our discussion.

Of cos Islam is the only ordained religion from Allah! And none will enter Paradise except the Muslims who submit to Allah through their Prophet!

@Antichristian

Bros, you haven't defended or proven to me that your religion is the true religion, all you have done is attack christianity just like an atheist would.

Let me quickly burst your little lies again.

Let's look at (Deut, xviii 15) you quoted that foretold the coming of your beloved prophet. KJV
Deuteronomy 18:15
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Verse Analysis:
The book of Deuteronomy reiterates the Law of Moses to a new generation of Israelites who were soon to enter the promised land following their long, 40-year wanderings in the wilderness.

In anticipation of Gods people (Isrealites) entry into the promised Land through Moses, God forbade all vices such as idolatry, sorcery, necromancies, soothsayers, wizardry, witchcraft etc amongst his chosen people. That was why God told Moses he would raise a prophet from the midst of thee, amongst thy brethren.

Now you muslims are saying that this verse (Deut 18:15) is referring to prophet Muhammad, seriously I don't get the relationship between Mohammed and Israel's new found Land.
Was Mohammed an israelite? a jew? Was muhammad from the brethren? Was he a fellow country man?? were the Arabs Gods chosen people?.

First of all, God made his covenant with isaac and not Ismael and you muslims say arabs are descendants of Ismael.
The last time I checked muhammad was from an obscure quraish tribe of the Arabia and the arabs were an enemy of Israel, why would God raise a prophet amongst them, pls our God is not the author of confusion. This verse was obviously referring to Jesus because he ticked all the criteria.

I understand that you guys are trying so hard to prove the authenticity of your religion but you guys cannot keep misrepresenting the Bible every time. Jeeeeez!
If you say your prophet Muhammad is greater and mightier than Jesus, don't you think he would have been foretold by God explicitly, not these incoherrent nonsense chapters you're quoting up and down.

In conclusion to all these, the Bible nowhere specifically predicts the coming of Muhammad. Muhammad was not the prophet Moses predicted, and Muhammad was not the Comforter Jesus predicted. Since the message of Muhammad contradicts the message of Jesus and the Bible on many points, the only biblical prophecy that would apply to the coming of Muhammad would be Matthew 24:11, “And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people…”

I will not reply to your other insinuations, I feel it's a D**k measuring contest.