boyfrank:


Onuku, that's exactly how ridiculous benin people sound when they start claiming almost everywhere down south.

The difference between the claims of Benin people and the claims of others is the fact that eyewitness records back Benin claims. In a sane world that should count for something...
Also it is the people of the land whom are claiming their Benin bloodline, not the other way around !
The way people like you talk, it seems you believe it was a troll who created bight of Benin and Benin Republic and Benin bronze...
Stop being jealous ! Accept reality even if you don't like it !!!

Truthvalue41:


Eyewitness writen precolonial text:

"...of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

"ouyos" refers to ijo.

I hate talking to illiterates like you who spend their time perfecting the art of pretending. You know nothing about history. Just be honnest and stop writing rubbish. Every eye witness account shows the ijo to be pirates in the precolonial era. Even today they are still pirates !!!
So keep your feelings aside and look at facts, also stop pretending you know what you clearly don't.
Stop guessing history and start smartifying yourself.

I see you even want to start calling yourself a "scientist"...why do the dumbest people always try to parade themselves as if they were Albert Einstein ?

Is that one of the major reasons why ships refuse to use the ports in the South South?

Truthvalue41:


The difference between the claims of Benin people and the claims of others is the fact that eyewitness records back Benin claims. In a sane world that should count for something...
Also it is the people of the land whom are claiming their Benin bloodline, not the other way around !
The way people like you talk, it seems you believe it was a troll who created bight if Benin and Benin Republic and Benin bronze...
Stop being jealous ! Accept reality even if you don't like it !!!

The earlier u bininphiles wake up and the coffee, the better. That's how some of ur ilks started spreading falsehoods that enugu ezike was founded by one ur ubiquitous benin Prince, when we debunked it, they started to sound just like ur pathetic self. The beni empire is dead and gone. stop living in time past, it has been dead for over a 100 years and there is no resurrection whatsoever.

boyfrank:


The earlier u bininphiles wake up and the coffee, the better. That's how some of ur ilks started spreading falsehoods that enugu ezike was founded by one ur ubiquitous benin Prince, when we debunked it, they started to sound just like ur pathetic self. The beni empire is dead and gone. stop living in time past, it has been dead for over a 100 years and there is no resurrection whatsoever.

When someone is filled with hate and envy like you, it is best to ignore that person.

Efewestern:


Not all Urhobos were of Bini Origin, no ethnic group as big as Urhobo can claim they had a single ancestors. Some urhobo clans had a mixture of Ijaw ancestors, especially those around the Ughelli axis. I made a post about this yesterday.

Several Ijaw clans also had Urhobo ancestors, like the Kiagbodo people. Even the Epie people in Bayelsa were of Urhobo/Edo origin. Migration of people back then was just so inevitable.

So yes, the OP was partially correct.

Cc: SlayerForever

Edwin clark is Ijaw but some of his people speak urhobo language. I realize the interrelatedness of Urbohos and Ijaws when I took a shuttle from otuvwodo in Ughelli to kiagbodo. Secondly, Ughelli is very close to patani, an Ijaw LGA.
Even in Bayelsa, there are Urhobo and Isoko speaking communities in Sagbama.

Whatever rocks their boats is not anybody's businesses, does it matter if ijaws are urobos or urobos are ijaws if they agree

Lionnation:
Whatever rocks their boats is not anybody's businesses, does it matter if ijaws are urobos or urobos are ijaws if they agree

The thing is "they" do not agree, some ijo trolls and their associates are trying to push that revisionist narrative.

Truthvalue41:

The thing is "they" do not agree, some ijo trolls and their associates are trying to push that revisionist narrative.

then let the urobo fight the narrative themselves, I am yet to see one

Lionnation:
then let the urobo fight the narrative themselves, I am yet to see one

Let the Urhobos clame ijaw themselves is what you should be saying. I only brought out facts which showed the ijo claim is false. I live in a world in which facts matter.

Truthvalue41:

Let the Urhobos clame ijaw themselves is what you should be saying. I only brought out facts which showed the ijo claim is false. I live in a world in which facts matter.

OK so let the urobos claim ijaw na, or is their no single urobo person in politics section or are they all in romance section

Truthvalue41:


When someone is filled with hate and envy like you, it is best to ignore that person.

What's there to envy about benin, grow some sense, Enugu is far better than benin in all aspects of life. I get am b4 no be property. Rome colonised Britain and Germany but y can't compare them today. Egypt was civilised thousands of years b4 America.

boyfrank:


Onuku, that's exactly how ridiculous benin people sound when they start claiming almost everywhere down south.

Ọzuọ, like your father sounds abi?

michelz:
Well, it is their problem. Some few years ago on this forum, they both ganged up against Igbos. They were everywhere postulating and grandstanding against Igbos in the name of " our oyel" and" niger delta".
Now, they are claiming almost everywhere in Niger Delta. Not my business.

Ever since their Niger-Delta Republic failed with the Advent of Ibom Republic, Ijaw has gone nuclear, claiming other people, their lands and their history ear and dear.

Dartilo:



One thing is fact Bro,Benin was on his own level in ancient time in these past of the world...No matter how history is distorted it can't be changed....As far as Ado Ekiti was under Benin,way into Lagos......
Same to the east of Onitsha...Even Igala fell to the power of the Edo....it was called bight of Benin because although Benin in the interior but was controlling those area greatly.....

Benin should be a Pride to southern Nigeria No doubt

Ordinary Agbor was never under Benin, let alone Onitsha. Even Benin Oba told the Portuguese that Nri Kingdom in the east was the greatest kingdom around there.

Malawian:

Ordinary Agbor was never under Benin, let alone Onitsha. Even Benin Oba told the Portuguese that Nri Kingdom in the east was the greatest kingdom around there.

Agbor was part of Benin, even the current Agbor monarch owes his ascension to the fatherly role of the Oba of Benin.
Onitsha was also part of Benin.
The Oba of Benin never told any Portuguese about NRI village.
You seem to be learning how to lie like a yoruba.

Truthvalue41:

Agbor was part of Benin, even the current Agbor monarch owes his ascension to the fatherly role of the Oba of Benin.
Onitsha was also part of Benin.
The Oba of Benin never told any Portuguese about NRI village.
You seem to be learning how to lie like a yoruba.

Agbor that invaded Benin kindom and occupied Benin Kingdom for years is the same people that were supposedly "under Benin" right?

Malawian:

Agbor that invaded Benin kindom and occupied Benin Kingdom for years is the same people that were supposedly "under Benin" right?

Do you care to prove your claim ?
At this stage, you are just an other crazy nairalander spewing complete rubbish.

I repeat: Agbor was part of Benin.

Below is the Obi of Agbor in the 1930's.

sageb:


Edwin clark is Ijaw but some of his people speak urhobo language. I realize the interrelatedness of Urbohos and Ijaws when I took a shuttle from otuvwodo in Ughelli to kiagbodo. Secondly, Ughelli is very close to patani, an Ijaw LGA.
Even in Bayelsa, there are Urhobo and Isoko speaking communities in Sagbama.

Yes, that is why I'm insisting we don't narrow or limit our ancestral linkage to just one ethnic group. It beats common sense and logic.

In some Ijaw kingdoms, a king cannot be crowned if his mother isn't Urhobo. What does this tells you? It means the Ijaws have always shared great ancestral connection with the Urhobos.

PS; We have several urhobo communities in Patani, but that should be a topic for another day.

Most ijaw "kingdoms" were created recently by state governments. I hate when fools think they know something.
These are not historical nor ancestral kingdoms, these are just new creations done by politicians.

Truthvalue41:

Agbor was part of Benin, even the current Agbor monarch owes his ascension to the fatherly role of the Oba of Benin.
Onitsha was also part of Benin.
The Oba of Benin never told any Portuguese about NRI village.
You seem to be learning how to lie like a yoruba.

Can you present any evidence that Onitsha and Agbor were under Benin at some point?

michelz:


Can you present any evidence that Onitsha and Agbor were under Benin at some point?

Apart from the picture of the Obi of Agbor in the 1930's, you also have precolonial maps and oral stories.

Once again: Obi of Agbor in the 1930's

Malawian:

Ever since their Niger-Delta Republic failed with the Advent of Ibom Republic, Ijaw has gone nuclear, claiming other people, their lands and their history ear and dear.

exactly my point. They are very useless ethnic group.

Truthvalue41:

Do you care to prove your claim ?
At this stage, you are just an other crazy nairalander spewing complete rubbish.

I repeat: Agbor was part of Benin.

Below is the Obi of Agbor in the 1930's.

It is not a claim. I have read that history from Benin dailies while schooling in Edo state. There was a time Agbor invaded and Occupied Benin Kingdom. Go and ask your Oba, he will know that history.

Malawian:

It is not a claim. I have read that history from Benin dailies while schooling in Edo state. There was a time Agbor invaded and Occupied Benin Kingdom. Go and ask your Oba, he will know that history.

Please stop confusing your hallucinations caused by your generator fumes with reality. Agbor was a part of Benin, a part of Benin doesn't invade Benin. In other words Agbor is Benin !

Also you need to learn English and especially the word "claim", you also need to learn some logics.

Truthvalue41:


Please stop confusing your hallucinations caused by your generator fumes with reality. Agbor was a part of Benin, a part of Benin doesn't invade Benin. In other words Agbor is Benin !

Also you need to learn English and especially the word "claim", you also need to learn some logics.

Agbor invaded and occupied Benin kingdom.in that History I read in your Benin newspaper,it was actually noted as "Igbo" not Agbor,but I know it was Agbor in particular because they were the ones the Benin were always at war with. This happened during one of those wars with Agbor and the exact terminology they used in that Article was "Counter-attack".

Truthvalue41:

Apart from the picture of the Obi of Agbor in the 1930's, you also have prevolonial maps and oral stories.

Once again: Obi of Agbor in the 1930's

I don't see how the pic you posted is an evidence that Agbor was under Benin. Maybe you can kindly point it out to me.
As for the pre colonial map, can you post it here for all to see?
The oral accounts wouldn't pass for any serious evidence, would it?

Malawian:

Agbor invaded and occupied Benin kingdom.in that History I read in your Benin newspaper,it was actually noted as "Igbo" not Agbor,but I know it was Agbor in particular because they were the ones the Benin were always at war with. This happened during one of those wars with Agbor and the exact terminology they used in that Article was "Counter-attack".

Let us go through the logics of what you are saying:

1) your claim: a Benin newspaper reported that Agbor invaded Benin
2) your claim: the name used was Igbo, not agbor.

Analysing the logics of your statements:

1) If Agbor (which is a part of Benin) invaded Benin (whatever sense this makes) and the newspaper reported it, wouldn't that mean that it happened recently ? Or does Benin have newspapers which are several hundred years old ?

2) now your taking of liberty to change "Igbo" to "agbor" looks like a desperate move and it is completely silly.

3) I think you are confusing the Nigerian civil war with something else. So if you read anything of an Igbo invasion in a news paper then it is referring to the biafrans, not Agbor.

4) you have the mind of a toddler.

michelz:

I don't see how the pic you posted is an evidence that Agbor was under Benin. Maybe you can kindly point it out to me.
As for the pre colonial map, can you post it here for all to see?
The oral accounts wouldn't pass for any serious evidence, would it?

So the Obi of Agbor having the same prevolonial uniform as the Oba of Benin and his other vassals means nothing ?

The one sector that hardly gets corrupted is the monarchy.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Also, the current Obi of Agbor ascended the throne of his father thanks to the intervention of the Oba of Benin.

Truthvalue41:

Let us go through the logics of what you are saying:

1) your claim: a Benin newspaper reported that Agbor invaded Benin
2) your claim: the name used was Igbo, not agbor.

Analysing the logics of your statements:

1) If Agbor (which is a part of Benin) invaded Benin (whatever sense this makes) a the newspaper reported it, wouldn't that mean that it happened recently ? Or does Benin have newspapers which are several hundred years old ?

2) now your taking of liberty to change "Igbo" to "agbor" looks like a desperate move and it is completely silly.

3) I think you are confusing the Nigerian civil war with something else. So if you read anything of an Igbo invasion in a news paper then it is referring to the biafrans, not Agbor.

4) you have the mind of a toddler.

1. Agbor at no time was ever under Benin.
2. I know it was Agbor for the singular fact that only Agbor was enough to put Benin under control.
3. I am not talking about the Civil War. Benin were too cowardly to fight during the civil war, let alone attack Igbos to warrant a counter attack from Igbos (Agbor in this case).
4. Thanks. Even Christ said the Kingdom of God belongs to Children.


Meanwhile, go and ask your Oba. Agbor occupied Benin Kingdom militarily in the past and this my brother is a true history.

Truthvalue41:

Let us go through the logics of what you are saying:

1) your claim: a Benin newspaper reported that Agbor invaded Benin
2) your claim: the name used was Igbo, not agbor.

Analysing the logics of your statements:

1) If Agbor (which is a part of Benin) invaded Benin (whatever sense this makes) a the newspaper reported it, wouldn't that mean that it happened recently ? Or does Benin have newspapers which are several hundred years old ?

2) now your taking of liberty to change "Igbo" to "agbor" looks like a desperate move and it is completely silly.

3) I think you are confusing the Nigerian civil war with something else. So if you read anything of an Igbo invasion in a news paper then it is referring to the biafrans, not Agbor.

4) you have the mind of a toddler.

benin were running and that was why they built moats to surround true cities.... The Agbor invaded them

I have spoken more than enough to you people, clearly you are not very smart. You keep repeating your claims over and over and you keep showing your bigotry. Look, I don't do trolling, I'm a real life mathematician and also a teacher.
I will educate you, but I won't join in trolling.
So stop wasting my time.
To conclude with: Agbor is a part of Benin.

Truthvalue41:


So the Obi of Agbor having the same prevolonial uniform as the Oba of Benin and his other vassals means nothing ?

The one sector that hardly gets corrupted is the monarchy.

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2

Also, the current Obi of Agbor ascended the throne of his father thanks to the intervention of the Oba of Benin.

Yes, it doesn't mean much that he wore an outfit similar to that of an Oba of Benin. It could be that he simply copied the Oba's mode of dressing and nothing more. Cultures copy from one another; so it is not strange. Even the present Oba, I bet, has one or two elements in his regalia that he borrowed from somewhere else. It doesn't mean that he is not autonomous.
As per your last statement, honestly, that doesn't count, even slightly.
I was hoping for, maybe, a documented account from a neutral source of how Agbor and Onitsha were once under the sovereignity of Benin.
How about that map you mentioned?