₦airaland Forum

kabe1:
I think NAF is more interested in replacing the Alpha Jet than procuring a Frontline jet.

The JF-17 is Chinese and shares quite a number of similarities with the J-10. I don't see NAF buying the JF-17 and J-10 at the same time.

NAF would be eyeing the JF-17 block 3, but the service considers an AH and replacing the Alpha Jets as more pressing priorities.

I don't think we would see additional JF-17 block 2 orders if NAF actually buys the M-346FA.

Yes, this is what I'm saying, I don't think we will see any additional JF-17 block 2 with NAF, block 3 is their target, and I think production will start 2022 or 2023, and it would be similar to the Chinese J-10C, with it AESA radar.
The iconic Alpha jets, need a well deserved rest, I don't think any country in the world has utilized the Alpha jets like Nigeria, it has served it purpose, and the 346FA is the best trainer jet to replace the legendary Alphas.

Roan77:
Understandable, but I think there is diversification of weapons by the Egyptians recently, they are no longer relying heavily on American weapons, although still depends on American military aids but I understand your point.
I rate the Algerian military too.

they rely heavily on The US and Middle East for defence aid.....without the billions of dollars of aid they get they would be fvcked.

kabe1:
We also have a similar saying here - until the lions have their own historians, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.

This will do too

But what if the lion doesn't stop with the hunter and eats the historian too

Nemesis4you:
This will do too

But what if the lion doesn't stop with the hunter and eats the historian too

wahala don dey be dat!!!!

SAAF Helicopter

Another day, another Nigeria Helicopter purchase news.



Turkish Aerospace, Airbus and HAL vie for attack helicopter contract
The Nigerian Air Force, which is looking for attack helicopters to boost its firepower, is currently conducting negotiations with the European manufacturer Airbus and India's HAL. But the Turkish TAI, solidly supported by Ankara, has a head start with its T-129 model.

https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-and-west-africa_business/2021/11/24/turkish-aerospace-airbus-and-hal-vie-for-attack-helicopter-contract,109706885-art

kabe1:
I think NAF is more interested in replacing the Alpha Jet than procuring a Frontline jet.

The JF-17 is Chinese and shares quite a number of similarities with the J-10. I don't see NAF buying the JF-17 and J-10 at the same time.

NAF would be eyeing the JF-17 block 3, but the service considers an AH and replacing the Alpha Jets as more pressing priorities.

I don't think we would see additional JF-17 block 2 orders if NAF actually buys the M-346FA.

Now you are on point.

Everything you said is on point.

kabe1:
Another day, another Nigeria Helicopter purchase news.



Turkish Aerospace, Airbus and HAL vie for attack helicopter contract
The Nigerian Air Force, which is looking for attack helicopters to boost its firepower, is currently conducting negotiations with the European manufacturer Airbus and India's HAL. But the Turkish TAI, solidly supported by Ankara, has a head start with its T-129 model.

https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-and-west-africa_business/2021/11/24/turkish-aerospace-airbus-and-hal-vie-for-attack-helicopter-contract,109706885-art

been negotiating this deal since I arrived on Nairaland 7 years ago....

Specifically talking about tge T129... Not the rest

Nemesis4you:
This will do too

But what if the lion doesn't stop with the hunter and eats the historian too

He then has no history.
He who has no history doesn't exist.

kabe1:
Another day, another Nigeria Helicopter purchase news.



Turkish Aerospace, Airbus and HAL vie for attack helicopter contract
The Nigerian Air Force, which is looking for attack helicopters to boost its firepower, is currently conducting negotiations with the European manufacturer Airbus and India's HAL. But the Turkish TAI, solidly supported by Ankara, has a head start with its T-129 model.

https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-and-west-africa_business/2021/11/24/turkish-aerospace-airbus-and-hal-vie-for-attack-helicopter-contract,109706885-art

Why don't we go for the Mi28?

kabe1:
Another day, another Nigeria Helicopter purchase news.


Turkish Aerospace, Airbus and HAL vie for attack helicopter contract
The Nigerian Air Force, which is looking for attack helicopters to boost its firepower, is currently conducting negotiations with the European manufacturer Airbus and India's HAL. But the Turkish TAI, solidly supported by Ankara, has a head start with its T-129 model.

https://www.africaintelligence.com/central-and-west-africa_business/2021/11/24/turkish-aerospace-airbus-and-hal-vie-for-attack-helicopter-contract,109706885-art

Does the article (behind paywall) name any source for HAL and TAI in negotiations with the Nigerian armed forces?

kemicalreact:
Why don't we go for the Mi28?

Nigeria won't buy the sanctions vulnerable Turkish helicopter or the untidily developed Indian Chopper that cannot be supported with enough spares and maintenance. They will use a phantom airbus chopper acquisition to flash the Americans.
Eventually they will buy US made AH1Zs

RiceProducers:
Nigeria won't buy the sanctions vulnerable Turkish helicopter or the untidily developed Indian Chopper that cannot be supported with enough spares and maintenance. They will use a phantom airbus chopper acquisition to flash the Americans.
Eventually they will buy US made AH1Zs

.......

It's too expensive for that price

kemicalreact:
Why don't we go for the Mi28?

I have no idea.

RiceProducers:
Nigeria won't buy the sanctions vulnerable Turkish helicopter or the untidily developed Indian Chopper that cannot be supported with enough spares and maintenance. They will use a phantom airbus chopper acquisition to flash the Americans.
Eventually they will buy US made AH1Zs

This is what would happen eventually.

RiceProducers:
Nigeria won't buy the sanctions vulnerable Turkish helicopter or the untidily developed Indian Chopper that cannot be supported with enough spares and maintenance. They will use a phantom airbus chopper acquisition to flash the Americans.
Eventually they will buy US made AH1Zs

If only Denel had its act together..... The Rooivalk mk2 would have been an African helicopter built for African problems

RiceProducers:
Eventually they will buy US made AH1Zs

I could also think of the UH-1Y Venom as a potential candidate. (AH-1Z and UH-1Y share 85 percent parts commonality)

kemicalreact:
.......

It's too expensive for that price

The price is not just for the choppers. It is like paying 70% of the entire life cycle costs upfront, that is why it is high.

Bangladesh locally built 64m patrol craft.

..

Faithful007:
How?

Damn. I can't explain this to you. You're pro-american. I won't be able to convince you.

SuperSixSeven:
Who told you NAF technicians were left out of the maintenance of our platforms?

Why does the US act not like partners in this matter?

The U.S don't act as partners we all know that. They treat us like they are doing us a favor. Like we are literally begging em and can't do without them. You know that.

mekussa:
He then has no history.
He who has no history doesn't exist.

Maybe or maybe not

Lurker4Long:
Botswana already offered land to base the logistics hub and SADC needs to get a move on.

Odunayaw:
The SAMIM deployment is sure to make this come quick.

It transpires that we are both left behind by events. Came across this article whilst preparing my response to your broader SADC question:

SADC log depot for Botswana
Written by defenceWeb -22nd Oct 2021

The recent and still underway deployment of SADC forces from five member states to Mozambique as the SAMIN (SADC Mission in Mozambique) demonstrated the need for a depot “to mitigate mobilisation challenges best addressed by a fully functional logistics depot to support quick reaction.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/sadc-log-depot-for-botswana/

Nota Bene: I shall provide the wider SADC perspective I owe to you, kikuyu1,and I think, willybaby? Sometime in the next 3 days.

jl115:
they rely heavily on The US and Middle East for defence aid.....without the billions of dollars of aid they get they would be fvcked.

Not just defence aid. Egypt's economy, stripped of foreign aid, is such rubbish that as we saw earlier, increases in the price of bread were enough to bring down the Mubarak dynasty.

RiceProducers:
Nigeria won't buy the...untidily developed Indian Chopper that cannot be supported with enough spares and maintenance.

Care to expand on this, with reputable sources? Please, no Pak blogs.

Lurker4Long:
Not just defence aid. Egypt's economy, stripped of foreign aid, is such rubbish that as we saw earlier, increases in the price of bread were enough to bring down the Mubarak dynasty.

The military practically runs the economy. Is there any business without ties to the military? It's not healthy at all,such a situation stifles innovation as you need ties to succeed. Need a bakery? Call the army.

Nemesis4you:

SAAF Transport Helicopter

KDF marksmanship training Members of the Somalia National Army in Southern Somalia.