ariesbull:


Don't be close minded... Watch the documentary and learn at least one thing today instead of arguing ups and downs


Or do you want data....

Why must I believe you and not the Benin?
If you want me to be open minded, why can't I be open to the fact that he was committed to ending human slavery with years of interactions with Africa slaves, making Nigeria as a plot of his story. As a writer, he could have gathered some vital amount of information from the slaves he had encountered especially from Sierra Leone where there was a large contingent of Nigeria slaves.

Why not also be open minded to sources describing him as Gustavus Vassa.

Igboid:


You know the stories of Idu n'oba was rife in Igboland.
The Europeans made Bini popular and everyone wanted to be part of that popularity.
Olauda trying to add Bini flavor to his Isseke history tells you all you need to know about Ikwerre, Etche, Ogba, etc Bini origin stories.

People were trying too hard to be seen to be attached to Bini and so crafted irrational Bini fantasy stories.

^
LOL. I did not want to derail the thread with Bini or involve Bini in the stories when we were discussing Brass. In the book, written in 1906 about the Lower Niger Tribe, do you know some of the write-ups attributed Brass and Nembe to be partly discovered by some Bini warlords. I think from one of the elders consulted to narrate the story.

However, in another book. SHORT HISTORY OF BRASS AND ITS PEOPLE by Adebiyi Tepowa, in 1907.He claimed that one of the section of Brass was founded by Obollo. Well, that is also an interesting angle because Abureni, Kugbo, Ogbia, which are all spoken in Brass and Nembe (These are like Ibibio languages) are also kind of like Obolo.
I guess all these people Ogbia people are what the main Ijaw boat dwelling people are using to reach out to Akwa-Ibom.
Ijaws have discovered that if these people start finding their own collective nationality, Ijaw will be competing with Isoko in terms of Population and this scares the shiiit out of them and so they acted quickly.

If I upload this fine Bini story eh, some parts of Brass will leave IYC and join Great Benin Descendants. LOL

Alabo7978:

You are asking for the Ijaw word?
Ode.
I'm trying to show you how igbos are not the owners of where you claim them to own.

You showed nothing.
Bonny people own Bonny.
The debate was about the true origin of the people called Bonny and not if Bonny belongs to Ndiigbo.
Thread established that the people called Bonny were of Igbo origin who had evolved a new identity called Bonny.
They were never Ijaw and they are still not Ijaw.
They were Igbos and still retained their Igbo language.
Through this language, we in SE can reach out to them and reintegrate them into the gathering of Umunna where they truly belong.

BKayy:

Mtcheww... Just read our comments about Equiano if you don't know anything.

Are you an authority on Equaino?
Show me anywhere your research has been cited.

Ekealterego:

it is not his fault. You didn't post the direct link where you got this particular extract from

I posted it, you weren't following.

Igboid:


You showed nothing.
Bonny people own Bonny.
The debate was about the true origin of the people called Bonny and not if Bonny belongs to Ndiigbo.
Thread established that the people called Bonny were of Igbo origin who had evolved a new identity called Bonny.
They were never Ijaw and they are still not Ijaw.
They were Igbos and still retained their Igbo language.
Through this language, we in SE can reach out to them and reintegrate them into the gathering of Umunna where they truly belong.

Mumu, after showing you that screenshot from a German doctor who stayed in Bonny for sometime?
And how the igbos who came where either brought from inlands or sold as slaves, you still say the igbos own Bonny.
I am not arguing with you again.

ariesbull:
he said that his village is near benin kingdom not under benin kingdom.... Please have you read the book or are you taking based on hear say remember that Ịn igbo land they call benin Idu and their influence is well known.. Smiths from Awka go to benin to ply their trade... Now you can know that Anambra isn't far from benin but was never under benin influence except some few places under the igbo of delta example the Ukwuani and Ikas

Don't come at me with that twist. He rightly said"of Benin kingdom"

Alabo7978:

Mumu, after showing you that screenshot from a German doctor who stayed in Bonny for sometime?
And how the igbos who came where either brought from inlands or sold as slaves, you still say the igbos own Bonny.
I am not arguing with you again.

This is the fact they are trying so hard to suppress.

Alabo7978:

Mumu, after showing you that screenshot from a German doctor who stayed in Bonny for sometime?
And how the igbos who came where either brought from inlands or sold as slaves, you still say the igbos own Bonny.
I am not arguing with you again.

Your screen shot never said they were Ijaw.

Are you okay at all?

Bonny people said Igbos are "Wawa" therefore Bonny is Ijaw.

Onitsha said Igbos are dubious, therefore Onitsha are Ijaws.

Igbere people said that Igbos are wicked people that can never be allowed to sell them into slavery. Therefore Igbere people are Ijaws.

Ikwerres say that Igbos are greedy people that want their land and oil, therefore Ikwerres are Ijaws.


Are you not ashamed of yourself?

What is the link between Bonny natives saying that Igbos were Wawa with Bonny saying they were Ijaws?

Putindbutt:

This is the fact they are trying so hard to suppress.

Bonny Indigenes who speak their mother tongue in their Bonnyland are slaves, but your good for nothing selves who came from Sierra Leone to the Niger Delta, are the owners of Bonnyland?

Are you okay?

Ekealterego:
^
LOL. I did not want to derail the thread with Bini or involve Bini in the stories when we were discussing Brass. In the book, written in 1906 about the Lower Niger Tribe, do you know some of the write-ups attributed Brass and Nembe to be partly discovered by some Bini warlords. I think from one of the elders consulted to narrate the story.

However, in another book. SHORT HISTORY OF BRASS AND ITS PEOPLE by Adebiyi Tepowa, in 1907.He claimed that one of the section of Brass was founded by Obollo. Well, that is also an interesting angle because Abureni, Kugbo, Ogbia, which are all spoken in Brass and Nembe (These are like Ibibio languages) are also kind of like Obolo.
I guess all these people Ogbia people are what the main Ijaw boat dwelling people are using to reach out to Akwa-Ibom.
Ijaws have discovered that if these people start finding their own collective nationality, Ijaw will be competing with Isoko in terms of Population and this scares the shiiit out of them and so they acted quickly.

If I upload this fine Bini story eh, some parts of Brass will leave IYC and join Great Benin Descendants. LOL

Look at this confused fellow.
Didn't I mention how nembe(before the Advent of Kings) use to be a six biri(settlement)
Oroamabiri, OBOLOAMABIRI, onyoamabiri, olodioamabiri, opubigamabiri,kalabigamabiri and were headed by priests not kings.
But you called it beer palor talk, while all the while you know it has been written by people. Well Oboloamabiri doesn't exist anymore, same with other of the settlements except for oroamabiri which is the juju town. War and pandemic dispelled them until they were unified by kala-ekule. And it was from his lineage the king's of the unified Nembe came to be.
Ogio was the sixth king of unified Nembe in the 1500's.

Anyways the reason why a Yoruba man wrote on that because they claim ijo was the first son of oduduwa and was sent to Benin from Ife, from Ife he and his children settled on the coast with his first son gbaran forming gbaranmatu. And going along the coast till they became the first settlers.
That dude wants to link ijo to oduduwa ancestry. That is also by the way,

And for you to call ogbia language same ibibio, you must be a fool. A big one at that.
The ogbia people can here us speak perfectly and infact their language is very similar.
For example they say Aziba'lua meaning God thank you.
And we say Ayiba'nua meaning the same thing.
How is that ibibio?
Funny thing is that you haven't even been to this town to hear them speak and you are quoting baikie's disaster piece again.

Eastlink:
@OP please make corrections to the bolded. I just went through it and saw the mistake.
The two Chiefs that shared power then were Asimini & Halliday.
I’ll keep time to post a link here. It's actually a detailed history written by an English historian that will blow your minds away.

The topics covered were the following.

Kingship system.
Bonny practiced gentocracy - Okpara system where elders led the people. Any wonder why Ndoli the first leader of Okoloma was called Okpara Ndoli. It was the British who introduced Kingship system in Bonny. This brought rivalry between houses and two leading figures began their rivalry from there. Chief Haliday vs Chief Asimini. Haliday was senior and was calm in disposition. Asimini on the other hand was rash and dictatorial.

Haliday began the systemic rise of Bonny who dwelled on salt trading and farm goods with Ndoki in the Imo river into deal in stuffs like slavery. However, during these period Bonny was at war with her neighbours like Kalabari and Andoni. They needed a strong leader and by virtue of his military might Asmini led victorious battles against Andoni and Kalabari.

On returning to Bonny he took power from Haliday and exiled him. It took the intervention of the British who appealed to Asimini to relax the banishment and bring him back home.

Asimini was the first true King of Bonny and reformed Bonny house system from an indigenous blood kindred system into a military system called Wari. Asimini borrowed q lot of cultural system from Kalabari who were the strongest clan then. It was Asimini who began the idea of using slaves to fight in battle with freeborns. He was the first to free slaves who proved themselves worthy in battle and gave them a war canoe house of theirs.

Religious system
Bonny practiced the same religious system as those in Igboland. The Iguana cult similar to that in Aboh and sourcing divination from Aro priest who visited Bonny occasionally for cleansing.

Blood Relation
Bonny had two blood relations. The Ndoki their hinterland kinsmen who they shared origin, culture and trade links by virtue of the Imo river and the Brass people with whom they had a blood Convenant with for warfare against their enemies. Brass themselves are linked with Aboh. Any wonder why their lingua-franca is Igbo.

Good enough, this is coming from an Ibo guy. I knew someone out of you all, must have a honest head on his shoulder.

Igboid:


Bonny Indigenes who speak their mother tongue in their Bonnyland are slaves, but your good for nothing selves who came from Sierra Leone to the Niger Delta, are the owners of Bonnyland?

Are you okay?

This is exactly what all of them are implying.

All of them, GreatBoss, Captain8, Alabo7978 and the rest.

Igboid:


Your screen shot never said they were Ijaw.

Are you okay at all?

Bonny people said Igbos are "Wawa" therefore Bonny is Ijaw.

Onitsha said Igbos are dubious, therefore Onitsha are Ijaws.

Igbere people said that Igbos are wicked people that can never be allowed to sell them into slavery. Therefore Igbere people are Ijaws.

Ikwerres say that Igbos are greedy people that want their land and oil, therefore Ikwerres are Ijaws.


Are you not ashamed of yourself?

What is the link between Bonny natives saying that Igbos were Wawa with Bonny saying they were Ijaws?

Well, good of you to ask.
The bonnys migrated from kolokuma in search of their brethren who had left earlier.
This was the great dispersion by the children of ijo who were at the time finding new settlements when they became men.
Ask the Bonny man today where they come from, they will ALWAYS tell you kolokuma.
Now get out of here you fool.

Igboid:


Bonny Indigenes who speak their mother tongue in their Bonnyland are slaves, but your good for nothing selves who came from Sierra Leone to the Niger Delta, are the owners of Bonnyland?

Are you okay?

Did migration or slave trade ever stop ibos from speaking their mother's tongue?

BKayy:

This is exactly what all of them are implying.

All of them, GreatBoss, Captain8, Alabo7978 and the rest.

Ijoh language isn't even Sierra Leonenean.

They were only migrant fishermen to that side because most of them got lost while doing deep sea fishing.
You daft I swear, even your baikie didn't even link their languages to Sierra Leone but linked it to the niger-congo branch
But foolish goat like you is mentioning Sierra Leone and I wonder why if it isn't meth at work.

Alabo7978:

Ijoh language isn't even Sierra Leonenean.

They were only migrant fishermen to that side because most of them got lost while doing deep sea fishing.
You daft I swear, even your baikie didn't even link their languages to Sierra Leone but linked it to the niger-congo branch
But foolish goat like you is mentioning Sierra Leone and I wonder why if it isn't meth at work.

And Aboh that was sailing up and down the sea trading in ancient times never got lost.

You people are very funny.
Lost in fishing exercise and I thought you lots said that you knew the waters.

Ordinary fishing exercise oh

BKayy:

This is exactly what all of them are implying.

All of them, GreatBoss, Captain8, Alabo7978 and the rest.

They don't realize how denigrating and insulting the rubbish they are promoting is to real Bonny Indigenes who despite the Ijaw assault had clutched tightly unto their Igbo mother tongue.

Igboid:


They don't realize how denigrating and insulting the rubbish they are promoting is to real Bonny Indigenes who despite the Ijaw assault had clutched tightly unto their Igbo mother tongue.

Looking at it, anybody can tell it is an attempt to colonise them.
Nobody can tell you that you are related and still insist that you throw away all that you know for his when you are supposed to be related.

It is even now that Bonny people are beginning to hold onto their language dearly.

If they succumb, like the way Reno Omokri described Ukwuani and Ika people after their Bini deception, Ijaw will claim in decades to come that they conquered annexed, and wiped the identity or acculturated the Igbo port town of Bonny.

Alabo7978:

Well, good of you to ask.
The bonnys migrated from kolokuma in search of their brethren who had left earlier.
This was the great dispersion by the children of ijo who were at the time finding new settlements when they became men.
Ask the Bonny man today where they come from, they will ALWAYS tell you kolokuma.
Now get out of here you fool.

No real Bonny Indigene will accept your Kolokuma nonsense.
Heck, even Kalabaris and Okirikas have rejected your Kolokuma nonsense, which was why the attempt to impose Kolokuma language as central Ijaw language failed woefully.
Bonny holds tightly to their Igbo language while waiting patiently for those of us in SE to wake up from slumber and put our house in order.

Igboid:


Not true.
The true costal tribes of Niger Delta were not Ijaws.
They were proto Ibibiod people.
You see them in Ogbia, Abua, Odual, Abureni, Abuloma, Andoni.
They were the people Jaja met when he arrived at Opobo newly and had to assimilate and drove off the rest to acquire the land.
The remnant of them even went as far as Etche, and were assimilated by the Igbos there, they were called the "Ochichi".

There are three language groups Indigenous to southern part of NIGERIA.
ie The Igboid, the Ibibiod and the Edoid.

Ijaw is an alien people that sticks out like a sour thumb when you consider how unrelated they are to the original three of Ibibiod, Edoid and Igboids.

Ogbia ibibio,
Chai God.
Ogbia people that greet with do' or Lua.
We the Nembeians greet with nua.
We say Ayiba'nua
The ogbias say Aziba'lua
Both meaning thank you God, and you stupidly call it ibibio?
My aunty wedded an ibibio man and when we speak he doesn't hear a pin, same with us.
Why are you being stupid?

Discard baikie's work and stop fooling yourself with outdated wrong information.
When writing a project work, do you consult old outdated and wrong materials which were deemed right back then?
If I fit see you ehn, I for open your head.

Igboid:


No real Bonny Indigene will accept your Kolokuma nonsense.
Heck, even Kalabaris and Okirikas have rejected your Kolokuma nonsense, which was why the attempt to impose Kolokuma language as central Ijaw language failed woefully.
Bonny holds tightly to their Igbo language while waiting patiently for those of us in SE to wake up from slumber and put our house in order.

no real Bonny abi?
Ok, let me continue to laugh you from my corner.
Keep fooling yourself.

Ekealterego:


Okay.. that's great to learn. Iseke also describes the geography very well.

You don change mouth
We sabi you people, no be today.

BKayy:

Looking at it, anybody can tell it is an attempt to colonise them.
Nobody can tell you that you are related and still insist that you throw away all that you know for his when you are supposed to be related.

It is even now that Bonny people are beginning to hold onto their language dearly.

If they succumb, like the way Reno Omokri described Ukwuani and Ika people after their Bini deception, Ijaw will claim in decades to come that they conquered annexed, and wiped the identity or acculturated the Igbo port town of Bonny.

I doubt Bonny will fall.
If they would, it would have happened during the 1970s when Ndiigbo were at our Nadir and the Ijaw could have any part of Igboland they wanted by mainly asking their Hausa-Fulani partners for it.

The Bonny and Opobo have already weathered that storm.
Things can only get better from now henceforth.

But Multiethnic BIAFRA with Ijaws must be murdered brutally and buried, and in it's place, Igbo nationalism must be grown , nutured and allowed to become strong enough to reconnect back to Bonny and Opobo by offering strong support against expected Ijaw aggression that the Hausa-Fulani would offer.
This can only be done when we take full control of SE politics and have men of great intellect, tact and vision leading all SE states.
Since Ohanaeze Ndiigbo have proved Useless, we can always form a stronger and better pressure group totally detached from cash and carry Nigerian Politics to spear head the cultural aspect of the rennainsance we desire.

Alabo7978:

Ogbia ibibio,
Chai God.
Ogbia people that greet with do' or Lua.
We the Nembeians greet with nua.
We say Ayiba'nua
The ogbias say Aziba'lua
Both meaning thank you God, and you stupidly call it ibibio?
My aunty wedded an ibibio man and when we speak he doesn't hear a pin, same with us.
Why are you being stupid?

Discard baikie's work and stop fooling yourself with outdated wrong information.
When writing a project work, do you consult old outdated and wrong materials which were deemed right back then?
If I fit see you ehn, I for open your head.

Dear @Alabo7978,

While most of your friends here have only been about insults and empty threats, you seem to be the only one here who has been trying to engage in a conversation.

Would you by chance be interested in a live debate on this topic?
We could fix a suitable date, find a suitable medium and host so we could thrash this conversation once and for all.
2 or 3 persons from both sides of the argument.

What do you say?

SlayerForever
BKayy
Ekealterego
Fejoku
OfoIgbo
Igboid
afonjaheadhunts
Eastlink

Alabo7978:
no real Bonny abi?
Ok, let me continue to laugh you from my corner.
Keep fooling yourself.

The joke is on you.
They join your IYC and INC, join you to scream Asawana Egberi Faaa, Haa and other Ogogoro induced chants you are known for.

Yet they have refused to learn your language and have continued to speak theirs(Igbo language).

BKayy:

And Aboh that was sailing up and down the sea trading in ancient times never got lost.

You people are very funny.
Lost in fishing exercise and I thought you lots said that you knew the waters.

Ordinary fishing exercise oh

Fallacy of the strawman argument.
You're leaving the borne of contention to detail what we're actually arguing about.
We will talk about that one later, until then, I won't let you derail. Daft mongrel.
IJO DIDN'T COME FROM SIERRA LEONE. EVEN YOUR BAIKIE WITH HIS WRONG WORK LINKED IJO TO THE NIGER-CONGO LANGUAGE BRANCH.
Fool, now run along.

Putindbutt:

You don change mouth
We sabi you people, no be today.

No, Isseke is on the other side of the river to Ashaka.

There have also been arguments about the two places.

Alabo7978:

Ogbia ibibio,
Chai God.
Ogbia people that greet with do' or Lua.
We the Nembeians greet with nua.
We say Ayiba'nua
The ogbias say Aziba'lua
Both meaning thank you God, and you stupidly call it ibibio?
My aunty wedded an ibibio man and when we speak he doesn't hear a pin, same with us.
Why are you being stupid?

Discard baikie's work and stop fooling yourself with outdated wrong information.
When writing a project work, do you consult old outdated and wrong materials which were deemed right back then?
If I fit see you ehn, I for open your head.

Alua, Nua, Aluani, etc are greatings common in Southern Nigeria ethnicities.
You Sierra Leone Ijaws learnt it from Indigenous groups.
Ika and Nsukka people also say Alua!
I told you that Edoid(Engenni, Isoko, Epie-Attisa Udekeme, Urhobo) , Igboid( Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ndoki, Ubani(Bonny and OPOBO)) and Ibibiod( Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual,Ibeno) are the original owners of the Niger Delta and these three had interchanged lots of words in the past before the alien Ijaws arrived the scene.


Ogbia is an Ibibiod language.
Linguists had long studied the language and catalogued it as a Cross-River language.

No Ijaw man dead or alive understands Ogbia language.

See classification of Ogbia language here.

9Pluto:



Dear @Alabo7978,

While most of your friends here have only been about insults and empty threats, you seem to be the only one here who has been trying to engage in a conversation.

Would you by chance be interested in a live debate on this topic?
We could fix a suitable date, find a suitable medium and host so we could thrash this conversation once and for all.
2 or 3 persons from both sides of the argument.

What do you say?

SlayerForever
BKayy
Ekealterego
Fejoku
OfoIgbo
Igboid
afonjaheadhunts
Eastlink

Alabo7978 accept the live
debate

Igboid:


Alua, Nua, Aluani, etc are greatings common in Southern Nigeria ethnicities.
You Sierra Leone Ijaws learnt it from Indigenous groups.
Ika and Nsukka people also say Alua!
I told you that Edoid(Engenni, Isoko, Epie-Attisa Udekeme, Urhobo) , Igboid( Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ndoki, Ubani(Bonny and OPOBO)) and Ibibiod( Ogbia, Abureni, Andoni, Abua, Odual,Ibeno) are the original owners of the Niger Delta and these three had interchanged lots of words in the past before the alien Ijaws arrived the scene.


Ogbia is an Ibibiod language.
Linguists had long studied the language and catalogued it as a Cross-River language.

No Ijaw man dead or alive understands Ogbia language.

See classification of Ogbia language here.

Funny to you, you think I am purely ijo, but I am Nembe.
In ijo, we do not see ourselves as ijo and even most times we fight and quarell amongst ourselves.
Many Nembeians have some reasons to dislike the ijo, and ijo will have reason to dislike the Nembe man.
Go motor pack for bayelsa Dem dey fight, and we Nembeians mock their intonations because they pronounce jump as zump. While them they see us as proud and usually wealthy.
Same with Greece, all the city states like Athens, Sparta, Crete, Corinth ,aegena, Argos , Rhodes quarell within themselves and live by there city states but when Xerxes of Persia came, they knew they were together GREEKS at large.

Though we fight and argue amongst ourselves and call each other names but when there is a foreign invasion, like the Greeks we will stand and repel, then after we will continue with our malice.
You bkayy, Ekealterego SlayerForever Igboid biafrarep etc are all foreign Invaders.
I even carefully searched on baikie works, and he links Bonny to the other ijoh clans. Now I know y'all were just filtering things.
You see the numbering system?
We Nembeians count
Kio
Mai
Trai
Neene
Sono
Sondio
Sonomai
Etc

You see the resemblance with all other ijo counting?

Even the screenshot showed igbos were a secondary language.
Even this screenshot talked about the German doctor.
(Read carefully this time) I won't stress myself again to pick out points.
The igbos have been known to walk up and down and not staying in their place.
In ijo land I am a Nembe man, and if an ijoh man annoys me, I go burst him head, but when an ijo man is bullied by a foreign Invaders or when a foreign Invaders bullies any other clan, we all we assemble.
That is the beauty of we the ijo Ethnic nation!

9Pluto:



Dear @Alabo7978,

While most of your friends here have only been about insults and empty threats, you seem to be the only one here who has been trying to engage in a conversation.

Would you by chance be interested in a live debate on this topic?
We could fix a suitable date, find a suitable medium and host so we could thrash this conversation once and for all.
2 or 3 persons from both sides of the argument.

What do you say?

SlayerForever
BKayy
Ekealterego
Fejoku
OfoIgbo
Igboid
afonjaheadhunts
Eastlink

Lol, I’m in bro. But are the Ijos ready
Oh I forgot, their champion Alagoa is now weak and aged. The Ijos need a Goliath like the Philistines to go to battle.