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gifted21:
Bros, why you dey mention me?
I don't like to argue,
One of my mentors said " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

l will ask simple questions when you solve it you have half the answers to your questions.

Who was Chief Oko Jumbo of the Jumbo major house of bonny?
Which "meat" was he eating according to history?
Why was ibani language not spoken to the slaves?
How and why did the adulterated Igbo language infiltrate okoloma(bonny)
Who was juwujuwu( jaja) a slave to in bonny?
Who made him king?
Is Ndoki closer to bonny through the coastline?
Who or where do they crown the king of bonny?
Is opobo a part of bonny or a separate entity that came on its own?
Who were the slaves, where are they from?
I could go on and on
Conclusion? Draw it yourself when you have answer to these questions

ThickSharon123:
Please, biko we have finished talk. Read the beginning of this thread to get the idea of what it summarises in general. And here's the summary, "Ijaws should be ashamed of themselves" trying to play smart with a peace loving people they've been with for years and even a century.

I know your next line of action is Reno Omokris talk, "Igbos are too sentimental" tell me why shouldn't we? Isn't being human being sentimental, why do Ijaws or all other tribe love their own, and are trying to benefit from a situation, isn't that being sentimental too? That's by the way.

As I said, "Ijaws should be ashamed of themselves." I had a friend in my early school days in boarding school. Her name was Ebiere Bakosi, she was my roommate. When I told her, where are you from? Would you believe the answer she gave me was my first instance of bigotry and hate; more annoyingly at an early age.

I said, "Are you Igbo" she shrugged her shoulders like it was some curse and said she's Ijaw. Ijaw from where, would you believe she said Port Harcourt? Which is called Igweocha before. When I was little I never knew it had an Igbo name.

That being said, my point is at an early age if Ijaws can feed their children with such hate for a tribe that they envy and want to be like them by all means crook. Then you guys better think again. The Ijaw dislike and apathy is growing every day in the south east and I believe that's why some of your leaders like, Asari Dokubo, Wike and the likes would pettily remind people they are Igbo for sometime and change when things are calm. Because they do know and believe when the Igbos shift their hate and energy towards the Ijaws, they are done for.

So, in essence, don't bite more than you can chew. You've done a lot to hurt the dear Igbos, from ransacking their property, pillaging their city-states, and desire to push it further by chewing up their lands and heritages.

Well, I've said my part. And with that little information you believe you have. I'll like to ask you one simple question. Why are you feeling jittery all of a sudden, if you know Bonny and Opobo are authentic Ijaws from their seed and origin, or don't you believe in the works of Alagoa again?

Anonymous15:
Lol, you don't know anything.
Your comment reeks of emotional outburst.
I showed you an excerpt from the 1800s by pepple and crowther telling the Brits whom they are.
And ofcourse the ibos are famous for renaming other places.
They called KALABARI Bom, they called OKOLOMA okoloBA. Then the Brits named OKOLOMA Bonny, then the ibos not able to pronounce renamed it ebane,ubani etc.
I showed you the excerpt didn't I?
Lol, stop being emotional.
The IBO people are known for growing crops etc, not dwelling in the creeks and swamps and fishing. Even long before slavery and palm oil trade, the ijo tribes has been making salt and selling to the Benin empire(that's how ancient we are)
To prove you know nothing, you called wike, please wike is not our leader no is he from any ijo tribe or clan, you're just being fed nonesense by Ekealterego, Igboid and the other online propagandist.
The IBOS never was one to choose thick forest and agricultural lands for swamp and fishing (One of your goons said it himself) even back then, it were coastal dwellers who had to paddle up stream to come to the hinterlands to buy the crops the Igbo grew because the ibos dreaded the death and sickness associated with the creek, now all of a sudden y'all are lovers of Creek.
No one hates the ibos, my mother is IBO, ijo men are notorious for marrying IBO women, even all of my exes we're ibos, the one I'm with now is IBO, so why do I hate them? I don't understand.
Stop being bitter.
Stop getting wet for lies.
The IBOS started really doing business in Bonny after slave trade was ditched for Palm oil trade, prior to the palm oil trade, the only ibos in Bonny were slaves.
Crowther and pepple stated it, and they showed us the names ibos renamed places.
Go through that excerpt carefully without sentimental attachment.

Anonymous15:
Lol, you don't know anything.
Your comment reeks of emotional outburst.
I showed you an excerpt from the 1800s by pepple and crowther telling the Brits whom they are.
And ofcourse the ibos are famous for renaming other places.
They called KALABARI Bom, they called OKOLOMA okoloBA. Then the Brits named OKOLOMA Bonny, then the ibos not able to pronounce renamed it ebane,ubani etc.
I showed you the excerpt didn't I?
Lol, stop being emotional.
The IBO people are known for growing crops etc, not dwelling in the creeks and swamps and fishing. Even long before slavery and palm oil trade, the ijo tribes has been making salt and selling to the Benin empire(that's how ancient we are)
To prove you know nothing, you called wike, please wike is not our leader no is he from any ijo tribe or clan, you're just being fed nonesense by Ekealterego, Igboid and the other online propagandist.
The IBOS never was one to choose thick forest and agricultural lands for swamp and fishing (One of your goons said it himself) even back then, it were coastal dwellers who had to paddle up stream to come to the hinterlands to buy the crops the Igbo grew because the ibos dreaded the death and sickness associated with the creek, now all of a sudden y'all are lovers of Creek.
No one hates the ibos, my mother is IBO, ijo men are notorious for marrying IBO women, even all of my exes we're ibos, the one I'm with now is IBO, so why do I hate them? I don't understand.
Stop being bitter.
Stop getting wet for lies.
The IBOS started really doing business in Bonny after slave trade was ditched for Palm oil trade, prior to the palm oil trade, the only ibos in Bonny were slaves.
Crowther and pepple stated it, and they showed us the names ibos renamed places.
Go through that excerpt carefully without sentimental attachment.

And after going through it, I want you to answer this question,

*Why were there ibos slaves just as pepple and crowther said?? Reason am

* Why were they enculturated in Bonny by the ijo clan of okoloma ? Imagine okwarazurumba mbanaso renamed Jubo jubogha (why would something like that happen if ibos owned OKOLOMA??

* If OKOLOMA belonged to the ibos, why did crowther and pepple highlight that Bonny is called OKOLOMA by THEMSELVES
But is called okoloBA OBANI IBANI by the ibos (who are the THEMSELVES? who are the ibos or IBO slaves??

Thicksharon123 and Ekealterego and igboid and the rest of your goons have been dodging this question like matrix dodging bullets.

Y'all will dodge this again
But thicksharon123 if you answer this questions, then Bonny and Opobo belongs to ibos, LMAO.

Anonymous15:
Lol, you don't know anything.
Your comment reeks of emotional outburst.
I showed you an excerpt from the 1800s by pepple and crowther telling the Brits whom they are.
And ofcourse the ibos are famous for renaming other places.
They called KALABARI Bom, they called OKOLOMA okoloBA. Then the Brits named OKOLOMA Bonny, then the ibos not able to pronounce renamed it ebane,ubani etc.
I showed you the excerpt didn't I?
Lol, stop being emotional.
The IBO people are known for growing crops etc, not dwelling in the creeks and swamps and fishing. Even long before slavery and palm oil trade, the ijo tribes has been making salt and selling to the Benin empire(that's how ancient we are)
To prove you know nothing, you called wike, please wike is not our leader no is he from any ijo tribe or clan, you're just being fed nonesense by Ekealterego, Igboid and the other online propagandist.
The IBOS never was one to choose thick forest and agricultural lands for swamp and fishing (One of your goons said it himself) even back then, it were coastal dwellers who had to paddle up stream to come to the hinterlands to buy the crops the Igbo grew because the ibos dreaded the death and sickness associated with the creek, now all of a sudden y'all are lovers of Creek.
No one hates the ibos, my mother is IBO, ijo men are notorious for marrying IBO women, even all of my exes we're ibos, the one I'm with now is IBO, so why do I hate them? I don't understand.
Stop being bitter.
Stop getting wet for lies.
The IBOS started really doing business in Bonny after slave trade was ditched for Palm oil trade, prior to the palm oil trade, the only ibos in Bonny were slaves.
Crowther and pepple stated it, and they showed us the names ibos renamed places.
Go through that excerpt carefully without sentimental attachment.

And after going through it, I want you to answer this question,

*Why were there ibos slaves just as pepple and crowther said?? Reason am

* Why were they enculturated in Bonny by the ijo clan of okoloma ? Imagine okwarazurumba mbanaso renamed Jubo jubogha (why would something like that happen if ibos owned OKOLOMA??

* If OKOLOMA belonged to the ibos, why did crowther and pepple highlight that Bonny is called OKOLOMA by THEMSELVES
But is called okoloBA OBANI IBANI by the ibos (who are the THEMSELVES? who are the ibos or IBO slaves??

Thicksharon123 and Ekealterego and igboid and the rest of your goons have been dodging this question like matrix dodging bullets.

Y'all will dodge this again
But thicksharon123 if you answer this questions, then Bonny and Opobo belongs to ibos, LMAO.

Igboid:
You are mentally unstable or challenged.
See how dumb your question is: If Ogidi are Igbos, why did Taylor highlight that they call themselves INWELLE? If Egbema in Rivers State are Igbos, why did Baike emphasize that they call themselves ALLENSAW(Alinso).

It's a stupid and pointless question. 1 because Bonny calling themselves Okoloma has nothing to do with IJAW. By this point in history, the Ijaws were already known and they were called the people of JOS!
Why didn't Bonny call themselves the people of JOS?
Because they were not!
Does Bonny calling themselves Okoloma provide any information on their Igbo or Ijaw origin? Nope!

Did Pepple and Bonny people provide the Colonials information about their origin? Yes! They did to Captain Crow and to Baike.

Look at what they said here! ( attached pic) They point black said they descended from Igbo.
At no point in history was it ever recorded that Bonny or Okoloma were linked with the people of Jos, the only other non Igbo people that Bonny descended from are the people of Brass, who we know are independent from the people of Jos! We have tasked you to provide this info if there were any, but it's been 70 pages and you couldn't
All you do is dwelling on irrelevant things as diversionary tactics, you deceive no one but yourselves.

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

Eke40seven:
The question, where was Ijaw/Ijo/Ejo mentioned in all this?

You are arguing about Okoloma and Obane, in the same book.

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

9Pluto:
Ignore that mischievous criminal.

The Igbos were the first inhabitants of Ebane alongside the Brass people who were NOT Ijaws!
Even at that the author also described the Brass people as coming from their country North-west of Bonny.

Ubani/ibani was the igbo dialect in Bonny.
The Kings of Bonny were igbos
The natives igbos
The slave owners igbos etc


Chief Fubara who the author met was identified as a stranger and not a native of Bonny. Yet the same Bonny is peopled by Fubara's today, they had better start shopping for a new name.

Let those miscreants and their allies keep deceiving themselves at the appropriate time, the Memoirs of Captain Hugh Crow of Liverpool will be their greatest nemesis.

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

Eke40seven:
The question, where was Ijaw/Ijo/Ejo mentioned in all this?

You are arguing about Okoloma and Obane, in the same book.

9Pluto:
The only place the word acculturation/enculturated ever appeared and existed is in ijaw doctored media and literature. So much it has become a figment of gullible people's imagination.

There was no such record in history because it never existed. The reason why the Jaja dynasty won the Supreme Court judgment, is exactly because of this same reason. All their accounts of history is doctored.

Igboid:
Exactly.
You see the Fubaras all over Internet telling their Igbo hosts in Bonny that Igbo Language in Bonny came from slave trade. Trying hard to impose their dead Kalabari Ijoid language on Bonny Igbos.

No be juju be that?

9Pluto:
Ignore that mischievous criminal.

The Igbos were the first inhabitants of Ebane alongside the Brass people who were NOT Ijaws!

Alabo7978:
Look at the bolded.
*You called calabari ijoid language (thank God you know)
* You now claim it is being imposed on bonny.
But the excerpt from pepple and crowther stated it is what was spoken even by the IBO slaves, and that it is the same with new calabar (calabari)
Look at it very well.
Whenever you're riled up, your true nature gets revealed.
The language wasn't imposed, CLEARLY look at it, I has been the spoken language.


Igboid compromising again.
#thewebyouweavewilltangleyou

Alabo7978:
Enculturation was never a myth.
Ijo clans still practice it today.
If it was a myth, why did okwarazurumba mbanaso change his name to Jubo jubogha??
You're seeing facts before your eyes, you're calling it myth.

9Pluto:
Maybe the same way you also enculturated Jonathan an Ogbia man.

Until you post a European authored account, your decades of falsehood in about to tear down right before you. Ijaws are recent migrants East of the delta, but rather than settle amicably, they are rather on several land grabbing missions (Bonny, Kalabari (New Calabar), Okrika, Opobo, Andoni, Ndoki, Obolo etc)

You may have succeeded with the Itshekiri probably because there was no record.
But you see this other ones are a classic effort in futility. Keep building castles in the air.

There are incontrovertible records. Your only solution is to try and delete all available historical data. Think of it like formatting the entire internet. Until you successfully do so, you efforts will continue to be futile. You can also ask another fraud to author a revised edition of history.

The internet is the greatest undoing of you and your co-travelers.

Alabo7978:
They were all autonomous (calabari, Bonny, brass, kula, bille, etc) that was why Europeans addressed them by their names and not covering them up as ijo, but they all know that they descended from ijo.

Ekealterego:
Stop confusing others who know no history.
Here are accounts from same book describing Ijoh people.

The book differentiated Ejo from Wakrike people.

See the last account, Ijos were spoken of as a well separate people.

9Pluto:
Take a another look at those pictures you posted, did you notice the ijos had no King?

Meanwhile, King Pepple was already a King in Bonny at this time.

Anonymous15:
Lol, look at the 13th line of your excerpt which reads
"The eboes who are from a neighboring country..."
Open your eyes, I've always said you have jaundice.
Look at the 13th line of the first paragraph.

Comprehension is a difficult thing for you more especially.
And the brass people are Nembe people, and I am a Nembe man, and we trace our ancestry to ijo.

Still you failed woefully to answer my question on why Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves and okoloBA, ebane etc by the ibos.
And why were ibos slaves?
Why were they enculturated to answer names that weren't igbotic.
You're using ogidi and inwelle as instance but does that change the fact that ogidi sprung from Igbo?
No! We all know this because the dialect are similar. You are bringing this logic, but don't want to bring the same logic because it will also link OKOLOMA or the brass people to their ancestry just as ogidi is to Igbo. The double standards is sickening.
I again ask you,
Why were they enculturated to answer okoloama-ijo names.
Why not okwarazurumba mbanaso? Why change it to Jubo jubogha?
Yet you dodged again like matrix.
Take a look at the 13th line of your Excerpt (the first paragraph)
It clearly stated that the eboes ARE FROM A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY.
I will unfollow this online grabbing thread and allow you all to continue in your foolishness.
Bye bye.

9Pluto:
Take a another look at those pictures you posted, did you notice the ijos had no King?

Meanwhile, King Pepple was already a King in Bonny at this time.

Alabo7978:
You know nothing,
The region where the Europeans called brass was partly Nembe and partly twon
I am a Nembe man, and we all trace our ancestry to ijo.
Sorry, 9pluto from abakiliki can't tell me my ORIGIN!

Ekealterego:
Stop confusing others who know no history.
Here are accounts from same book describing Ijoh people.

The book differentiated Ejo from Wakrike people.

See the last account, Ijos were spoken of as a well separate people.

OfoIgbo:
According to Dr. Baikie, it was the Brass people that called Bonny Okoloba.
The natives of Bonny town called it Okoloma. And we all know the natives are chiefly from the Ndoki Igbo region

9Pluto:
Take a another look at those pictures you posted, did you notice the ijos had no King?

Meanwhile, King Pepple was already a King in Bonny at this time.

9Pluto:
Maybe the same way you also enculturated Jonathan an Ogbia man.

Until you post a European authored account, your decades of falsehood in about to tear down right before you. Ijaws are recent migrants East of the delta, but rather than settle amicably, they are rather on several land grabbing missions (Bonny, Kalabari (New Calabar), Okrika, Opobo, Andoni, Ndoki, Obolo etc)

You may have succeeded with the Itshekiri probably because there was no record.
But you see this other ones are a classic effort in futility. Keep building castles in the air.

There are incontrovertible records. Your only solution is to try and delete all available historical data. Think of it like formatting the entire internet. Until you successfully do so, your efforts will continue to be futile. You can also ask another fraud to author a revised edition of history.

The internet is the greatest undoing of you and your co-travelers.